Germany's muslim population now estimated at 6%

[SwordoftheVistula]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4fa8a4c4-627f-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees (BAMF) released a study on “Muslim Life in Germany”. It found that there are vastly more Muslims in Germany than most specialists and pundits had assumed. Where most estimates held the Muslim population at around 3m, the more comprehensive BAMF study places it around 4m, and possibly as high as 4.3m. That means Muslims make up not 4 per cent of the population, but 6 per cent.


English translation of the study (usual 'integration' BS):

http://www.bamf.de/cln_101/SharedDocs/Anlagen/EN/Migration/Publikationen/Sonstige/muslimisches-leben-kurzfassung-englisch,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.p df/muslimisches-leben-kurzfassung-englisch.pdf

[Útrám]

It's precisely 6.66%
Obviously the Moslem belief system is incongruous with German values and they have no willingness to adopt others or modify it, they simply don't belong there.

[Loki]

What happened to those millions of Turkish gastarbeiters who have been in Germany for decades already? Have they fully integrated by now, and intermarried into the general German gene pool?

[SwordoftheVistula]

What happened to those millions of Turkish gastarbeiters who have been in Germany for decades already? Have they fully integrated by now, and intermarried into the general German gene pool?

Apparently not, according to the article, which is a 'problem'

Necla Kelek, the Turkish-born sociologist and essayist who was a member of the Islam Conference, believes that the failure of immigrants and their descendants to integrate is “becoming the central problem of the entire society”. She cites some astonishing numbers about immigrants’ tendency to marry within their ethnic group. Only 8 per cent of Turkish men who grow up in Germany marry German women and only 3 per cent of Turkish women who grow up in Germany marry German men. In a speech last month, she placed the blame on the Muslim extended family.

[Brännvin]

It would be bigger, if they had not exported some Kurdish refugees to Sweden during the 90's..oh thanks Germany for it! Courtesy by EU. :thumb001: :....

[Groenewolf]

I am not suprised that are more of them then was claimed before. A way to make it look less problematic.


Apparently not, according to the article, which is a 'problem'

An other 'problem (http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1196786527841&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout)' I have read about is that most choose for the nationality of their country of origin and not that of Germany.

[jerney]

Apparently not, according to the article, which is a 'problem'

Necla Kelek, the Turkish-born sociologist and essayist who was a member of the Islam Conference, believes that the failure of immigrants and their descendants to integrate is “becoming the central problem of the entire society”. She cites some astonishing numbers about immigrants’ tendency to marry within their ethnic group. Only 8 per cent of Turkish men who grow up in Germany marry German women and only 3 per cent of Turkish women who grow up in Germany marry German men. In a speech last month, she placed the blame on the Muslim extended family.

I would consider is more of a "problem" if that percentage was higher. The low intermarriage rate is probably one of the only good things about the whole situation.

[Zankapfel]

My thought is the problem is not only Muslims but mass immigration in general.



·What happened to those millions of Turkish gastarbeiters who have been in Germany for decades already?
·Have they fully integrated by now,
·and intermarried into the general German gene pool?

· They're now self-employed (Dönerimbiß and small businesses that targets their own population mostly. I don't know about anywhere else but there's a huge cultural conditioning to immigrant entrepreneurship in Berlin's case and it only makes them more economically disadvantaged), kids are strutting around the ghetto destroying the German language and ladies are popping babies like rabbits.
. No, they haven't.
· And no, thanks. Turks don't marry German sluts anyway.

[The Lawspeaker]

My thought is the problem is not only Muslims but mass immigration in general.



· They're now self-employed (Dönerimbiß and small businesses that targets their own population mostly. I don't know about anywhere else but there's a huge cultural conditioning to immigrant entrepreneurship in Berlin's case and it only makes them more economically disadvantaged), kids are strutting around the ghetto destroying the German language and ladies are popping babies like rabbits.
. No, they haven't.
· And no, thanks. Turks don't marry German sluts anyway.
-As long as they don't live on the dole and make life hell for those around them they would be secondary concern (as you said they don't intermarry and pollute the gene pool so that should be the group that should be dealt with list). The children and ladies on the other hand should be dealt with harsher then anyone else. They should be given the boot so bloody hard that after one year back in Turkey they can still feel the mark on their ass.
-They should be kept isolated. The further removed from society the better while society deals with the worst troublemakers first. Either by booting them out or by administering a Genickschuss.
-Good. Then they don't know what they are missing and you girls have a chance of keeping that riff raff out. But then again - the Africans are still hunting for you :(

[Angantyr]

· And no, thanks. Turks don't marry German sluts anyway.

What was the purpose of this completely gratuitous attack on German women?

[Zankapfel]

What was the purpose of this completely gratuitous attack on German women?

I was just mimicking the way the majority of them refer to us, it shouldn't really shock anyone because that's who we are in their system of values.
It's also a joke from a murder's headline and you wouldn't get the reference or the humour anyway so ...nevermind. Or don't take things so literally.
Some of our own men call girls that too, you know? Sometimes gratuitously, sometimes not so much. And that I find more disgraceful.

[Angantyr]

I was just mimicking the way the majority of them refer to us, it shouldn't really shock anyone because that's who we are in their system of values.
It's also a joke from a murder's headline and you wouldn't get the reference or the humour anyway so ...nevermind. Or don't take things so literally.
Some of our own men call girls that too, you know? Sometimes gratuitously, sometimes not so much. And that I find more disgraceful.

Then, it should have been put in quotations as "German sluts" or at least with a smiley icon. The problem with the written word is it often cannot convey sarcasm or other emotions that are made clear in face to face contact. :eek::mad::rolleyes::cool::p;):D:thumb001::):(:con fused::rolleyes2::thumbs up:wink

Suffice it to say that I would never denigrate the women of my race, unless she committed an unforgiveable act, such as miscegenation or infanticide. May the Gods bless the proud and maternally-oriented German woman.

[Lenny]

Here is a useful graphic from that report--
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3161/germanymuslimsbamf.png
(I edited it to include the total number of persons from each region, listed elsewhere in the report).



Also of interest:

98 per cent of the Muslims in Germany live in the former West Germany, including Berlin.

That means only 90,000 Muslsims live in the five ex-DDR states, of 19 million total = 0.4%.

[Brynhild]

Then, it should have been put in quotations as "German sluts" or at least with a smiley icon. The problem with the written word is it often cannot convey sarcasm or other emotions that are made clear in face to face contact. :eek::mad::rolleyes::cool::p;):D:thumb001::):(:con fused::rolleyes2::thumbs up:wink

Suffice it to say that I would never denigrate the women of my race, unless she committed an unforgiveable act, such as miscegenation or infanticide. May the Gods bless the proud and maternally-oriented German woman.

Perhaps it's female sarcasm in general, but I read it as that straight off. And coming from a German woman, I would say it's blatantly obvious. :p


I was just mimicking the way the majority of them refer to us, it shouldn't really shock anyone because that's who we are in their system of values.
It's also a joke from a murder's headline and you wouldn't get the reference or the humour anyway so ...nevermind. Or don't take things so literally.
Some of our own men call girls that too, you know? Sometimes gratuitously, sometimes not so much. And that I find more disgraceful.

They don't like women who are non-Moslem, period. They particularly can't stand women they are unable to control. Aussie women cop their fair share of derogatory remarks from that lot. Rather be accused of that than to bed any of their kind! :bullet puke