Turkish Communist Party calls on people to protest Hillary Clinton

[Kemalisté]

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Hillary Clinton is coming to Turkey in order to meet Syrian opposition.

Turkey hosted such meetings before. French, Americans and British make negotiations with opposition powers, who are armed by NATO member imperialist nations.

The hotels in Turkey are serving for them. The government points the hotel and they start negotiating there.

Our country is turning out to be a central base of a dirty war and an abject effort to set Syrian people at loggerheads.

And Turkey is preparing to serve as the special soldier of an imperialist boss swinging the baseball hat.

Come on, let's say; " No to plundering "

Let's say; " This country has got patriotic, pacifist and non-surrendering citizens "

Let's say; " You can't launch the era of the sectarianist wars in the Middle East from our country "

Let's show our existence to Miss Clinton and international media that will be watching her visit.

Let's meet on 11 August at 19:00 in Taksim Square, Istanbul and at 12:00 in Yüksel Street, Ankara.

Communist Party of Turkey
Central Committee

http://haber.sol.org.tr/soldakiler/tkp-clintoni-protesto-etmeye-cagiriyor-savas-istemiyoruz-diyenler-haydi-sokaga-haberi

[Contra Mundum]

I don't care for Commies, but I am in agreement with them on this.

[Kemalisté]

I don't care for Commies, but I am in agreement with them on this.

I'm not a commie neither, but I'll think of participating because they make some sense. It can have widespread media coverage if other parties and associations support it as well.

[Partizan]

I don't care for Commies, but I am in agreement with them on this.

Agreed,despite being a moderate Socialist,I disagree with this party about many issues(like their Russophilia and sometimes pro-Kurd towards) however they are right about this issue.

[AkisGreece]

I personally support the Turkish communists.

I am an avid reader of Nazim Hikmet...a great poet.

[Kemalisté]

Agreed,despite being a moderate Socialist,I disagree with this party about many issues(like their Russophilia and sometimes pro-Kurd towards) however they are right about this issue.

"Russophilia" is a serious accusation. Their view concerning foreign politics might be based on " collaboration with Eurasian countries ", it's just a view. If Russia tries to place their bases in Turkey one day, I'm sure they would fight them as well.

As for pro-Kurd, I don't think so. Most kurdish fascists and liberals blame them for being Kemalist nationalists. Remember what Deniz Gezmis said; '' Long live the brotherhood of Turkish and Kurdish peoples '', this is what they take as an ideal, I believe.

[Kemalisté]

I personally support the Turkish communists.

I am an avid reader of Nazim Hikmet...a great poet.

Do you know the song '' When the Aegean sea darkens '' ? it's known as the march of the communists in the Greek civil war here. It was re-composed and translated in Turkish by the choir of the scientific socialist movement " Enlightenment ". It's one of my favorites. If there is, I'd like to listen to its original version as well.

[Partizan]

"Russophilia" is a serious accusation. Their view concerning foreign politics might be based on " collaboration with Eurasian countries ", it's just a view. If Russia tries to place their bases in Turkey one day, I'm sure they would fight them as well.

As for pro-Kurd, I don't think so. Most kurdish fascists and liberals blame them for being Kemalist nationalists. Remember what Deniz Gezmis said; '' Long live the brotherhood of Turkish and Kurdish peoples '', this is what they take as an ideal, I believe.

I'm against Eurasianism as much as I'm against pro-Western politics.Third Worldism with Pan-Turkist tendencies must be core of Turkish diplomacy.

Those TKP guys oppose KCK arrests(one of very rare good things Erdogan does) and they are in favour of recognition of Kurdish as national language(read their election propaganda)

If Deniz Gezmiş was alive,he wouldn't say the same thing...If he'd see nearly half of Kurds support BDP,which has close ties to American puppets like Barzani&Talabani,he'd think different.

[Kemalisté]

I'm against Eurasianism as much as I'm against pro-Western politics.Third Worldism with Pan-Turkist tendencies must be core of Turkish diplomacy.

Those TKP guys oppose KCK arrests(one of very rate things Erdogan does) and they are in favour of recognition of Kurdish as national language(read their election propaganda)

If Deniz Gezmiş was alive,he wouldn't say the same thing...If he'd see nearly half of Kurds support BDP,which has close ties to American puppets like Barzani&Talabani,he'd think different.

So that's your opinion. But I don't blame you for being any '' philic '' or something.

And I find some wrong things concerning KCK operations as well. It can discussed in another thread.

As for Kurdish language, I haven't heard of that. But I know that TKP is blamed among extreme marxists for being too distant toward Kurds. If they really support such an idea, that's their fault.

[Partizan]

So that's your opinion. But I don't blame you for being any '' philic '' or something.

And I find some wrong things concerning KCK operations as well. It can discussed in another thread.

As for Kurdish language, I haven't heard of that. But I know that TKP is blamed among extreme marxists for being too distant toward Kurds. If they really support such an idea, that's their fault.

We can discuss about KCK in another thread.I'm totally anti-AKP but honestly I like aggressive towards of government against Kurdish seperatist since İdris Naim Şahin becoming new interior minister...

TKP being better than EMEP and ÖDP don't make them the best.

Anyway good night :)

[Kemalisté]

We can discuss about KCK in another thread.I'm totally anti-AKP but honestly I like aggressive towards of government against Kurdish seperatist since İdris Naim Şahin becoming new interior minister...

TKP being better than EMEP and ÖDP don't make them the best.

Anyway good night :)

I didn't say they are the best. I'm not a member of TKP anyway.

And btw, being that aggressive toward Kurdish people (not separatists, cause it crossed the line after a while) will not only inflame the terror more, but also pave the way for a future civil war which would be go in parallel with American interests.

And don't even mention that minister, who was being totally disrespectful and insolent toward an old citizen :mad: he is a snooty jerk...

Good night anyway...

[AkisGreece]

Do you know the song '' When the Aegean sea darkens '' ? it's known as the march of the communists in the Greek civil war here. It was re-composed and translated in Turkish by the choir of the scientific socialist movement " Enlightenment ". It's one of my favorites. If there is, I'd like to listen to its original version as well.

The title you use is not well translated.
The song is a patriotic one but Greek leftists used it as their own.
Here you go.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzSjGLAVQpY

[Partizan]

I didn't say they are the best. I'm not a member of TKP anyway.

And btw, being that aggressive toward Kurdish people (not separatists, cause it crossed the line after a while) will not only inflame the terror more, but also pave the way for a future civil war which would be go in parallel with American interests.

İdris Naim Şahin gave me hope,AKP used to open Kurdish language channels and flatter Kurds...Now things are changed

And don't even mention that minister, who was being totally disrespectful and insolent toward an old citizen :mad: he is a snooty jerk...

Good night anyway...

Insisting on Kurdish identity=Separatism.So many people who say they're Kurds loud are separatists...

This minister gave me hope.I was really ashamed of AKP's Kurdish expansion.Things are changed,I hope KCK operation will go on :cool:

Well,I prefer civil war to invasion of Turkey.If Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have nuts to attack Confederate,half of America would stay as a backward country.I'm not a warmonger but if something is necessary,it should happen!

[Kemalisté]

Insisting on Kurdish identity=Separatism.So many people who say they're Kurds loud are separatists...

This minister gave me hope.I was really ashamed of AKP's Kurdish expansion.Things are changed,I hope KCK operation will go on :cool:

Well,I prefer civil war to invasion of Turkey.If Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have nuts to attack Confederate,half of America would stay as a backward country.I'm not a warmonger but if something is necessary,it should happen!

A civil war would only serve the American interests in such a period.

And if the government ensures the protection of their national identity, there will be no problem.

[Partizan]

A civil war would only serve the American interests in such a period.

And if the government ensures the protection of their national identity, there will be no problem.

Well,I think we need a second independence war...Those Kurds just want to divide Turkey and they won't stop until they'll get a nice response.Remember what happened in Zeytinburnu,those BDP terrorists got pissed after seeing an organised Turkish resistance :thumb001:

Kurds aren't a nation so they have no national identity.Only national identity in Turkey is TURKISH as Atatürk stated.Ne mutlu TÜRK'üm diyene,not "Türkiyeliyim" or "Kürt asıllı Türk'üm" diyene.

[RagnarLodbrok666]

A civil war would only serve the American interests in such a period.

And if the government ensures the protection of their national identity, there will be no problem.

I have to agree with the Turkish Communist Party too. This is not a smart path that is being pushed by Hillary Commie Clinton. Funny how their so much alike but disagree so much.

[Lathander]

Leftists sometimes might be mistaken as nationalist in Turkey and sometimes show truly nationalist tendencies ,only against the western powers of course.The hardcore left is still not nationalist and don't have much symphaty for Atatürk.The reason is simple;Nationalism was more racist and secular in early era of Turkish republic and original pan-turanism was hardcore racist and secular too.In the late 60's turkish nationalism became much more islam oriented to the degree "ıf you are not muslim then you are not turk",due to the war with communism.Adding islam to the equation was neccessary to gain support of average muslim turks.So turks who are secularist began to show their nationalist tendencies in a psuedo-leftist ideology,without the bracycephalic white turk issue and islamism of course.

For the topic,I am against the collapse of syria for one simple reason;kurdistan.Iraq broke down and semi-independent kurdistan is more popular than ıraq itself.Now syria is collapsing and new kurdistan is coming,kurds began to show themselves already.The next step will be iran.Then the next turn will be ours.

[Lathander]

I'm against Eurasianism as much as I'm against pro-Western politics.Third Worldism with Pan-Turkist tendencies must be core of Turkish diplomacy.


I smell Sultan Galiyev here,high likely Gökçe Fırat is with him too:)

[Partizan]

Leftists sometimes might be mistaken as nationalist in Turkey and sometimes show truly nationalist tendencies ,only against the western powers of course.The hardcore left is still not nationalist and don't have much symphaty for Atatürk.The reason is simple;Nationalism was more racist and secular in early era of Turkish republic and original pan-turanism was hardcore racist and secular too.In the late 60's turkish nationalism became much more islam oriented to the degree "ıf you are not muslim then you are not turk",due to the war with communism.Adding islam to the equation was neccessary to gain support of average muslim turks.So turks who are secularist began to show their nationalist tendencies in a psuedo-leftist ideology,without the bracycephalic white turk issue and islamism of course..

I think you are despising Turkish left so much.I agree,Communists like TKP/ÖDP/EMEP are %0 Nationalist and mostly Kurdophile.However,TürkSolu and Ulusal Parti are good examples for left-wing Nationalism.Even before,Doğan Avcıoğlu's Yön and Şevket Süreyya's Kadro magazines(Şevket Süreyya was supported by Atatürk) were examples of left-wing nationalism...

Not to forget,first Communists like Mustafa Suphi were once members of "Türk Ocakları" and first pan-Turkists like Yusuf Akçura were left-leaning.


For the topic,I am against the collapse of syria for one simple reason;kurdistan.Iraq broke down and semi-independent kurdistan is more popular than ıraq itself.Now syria is collapsing and new kurdistan is coming,kurds began to show themselves already.The next step will be iran.Then the next turn will be ours.

I have courage,honestly...We Turks will never bow head to some mountain bandits.

[Lathander]

I think you are despising Turkish left so much.I agree,Communists like TKP/ÖDP/EMEP are %0 Nationalist and mostly Kurdophile.However,TürkSolu and Ulusal Parti are good examples for left-wing Nationalism.Even before,Doğan Avcıoğlu's Yön and Şevket Süreyya's Kadro magazines(Şevket Süreyya was supported by Atatürk) were examples of left-wing nationalism...


Mate,these communists are true leftists and kurdish movement began as a left movement.And left is not meant to be nationalist,but internationalist.
I am talking about political stance of course,not economical strategy.As far as I know Şevket Süreyya turned into kemalist,he was not a harcore leftist either.

[Partizan]

Mate,these communists are true leftists and kurdish movement began as a left movement.And left is not meant to be nationalist,but internationalist.
I am talking about political stance of course,not economical strategy.As far as I know Şevket Süreyya turned into kemalist,he was not a harcore leftist either.

Well,left-wing nationalism isn't a recent thing.German social democrats in late 19.th century like Kautsky and Babel were in favour of supporting German army in a possible war,unlike Luxembourg and Liebknecht.

Also for Turkish left,it is Left and Nationalism were born as brother ideologies.For example our stupid Communists always see Mustafa Suphi and Atatürk as rivals but it was Suphi who supported Turkish Independence War in Comintern and he said that,they shouldn't blame Mustafa Kemal for being chauvinist,including Suphi himself all Turks are a little bit chauvinist because of imperialism's pressure.He was a close friend of Galiyev also.About Suphi and Atatürk,I wrote something to a Turkish forum:
http://siyasiforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16582&p=165719

PKK isn't first Kurdish seperatist movement,earlier Kurdish seperatists like Sheikh Said and Seyid Riza were feudalist and reactionary.

I think left is mostly about statist economics and progressive towards on social issues.Left can be both nationalist and internationalist,Stalin was the one of the best Russian chauvinists for example(irony,he was Ossetian).Not to forget,until Dreyfus case,in France left and nationalism were almost unseparated,Melenchon in France is still on that way.

However,Nationalism on left can't be as romantic as right-wing nationalism,it's because of idealist nature of right and dialectic materialist nature of left.

About Kemalism,I take Kemalism as a nationalist form of centre-left.Of course Şevket Süreyya left communism and became rather a moderate leftist...

[Lathander]

I think you are despising Turkish left so much.I agree,Communists like TKP/ÖDP/EMEP are %0 Nationalist and mostly Kurdophile.However,TürkSolu and Ulusal Parti are good examples for left-wing Nationalism.Even before,Doğan Avcıoğlu's Yön and Şevket Süreyya's Kadro magazines(Şevket Süreyya was supported by Atatürk) were examples of left-wing nationalism...

Not to forget,first Communists like Mustafa Suphi were once members of "Türk Ocakları" and first pan-Turkists like Yusuf Akçura were left-leaning.



I have courage,honestly...We Turks will never bow head to some mountain bandits.

Mate,these communists are true leftists .And left is not meant to be nationalist,but internationalist. I am talking about political stance of course,not economical strategy.As far as I know Şevket Süreyya turned into kemalist,he was not a harcore leftist either.

Mustafa Suphi was interested in Condemn and Unity party before he became communist.Also many turkish nationalists outside of Turkey was naturally under the domination of Soviets.Zeki Velidi Togan has a good word "We were just pretending to be communist because we had to,but Galiyev was a communist with full belief".

For Ulusal Parti and left kemalists,I like their anti islamist,pro science and nationalist stance,I liked many of their essays.But I don't trust them and don't take them seriously.They call themselves leftist,they are hostile toward one ethnic group and still accuse mhp guys with racism.I see a gigantic contradiction there,I don't take them seriously.

Atatürk was not leftist either,he was nationalist and secularist.He could have founded a socialist state if he wanted.

By the way,I criticize the "ulusalcı" left kemalist guys but among the current groups I am closest to them among others.
I think you are despising Turkish left so much.I agree,Communists like TKP/ÖDP/EMEP are %0 Nationalist and mostly Kurdophile.However,TürkSolu and Ulusal Parti are good examples for left-wing Nationalism.Even before,Doğan Avcıoğlu's Yön and Şevket Süreyya's Kadro magazines(Şevket Süreyya was supported by Atatürk) were examples of left-wing nationalism...

Not to forget,first Communists like Mustafa Suphi were once members of "Türk Ocakları" and first pan-Turkists like Yusuf Akçura were left-leaning.



I have courage,honestly...We Turks will never bow head to some mountain bandits.

Mate,these communists are true leftists .And left is not meant to be nationalist,but internationalist. I am talking about political stance of course,not economical strategy.As far as I know Şevket Süreyya turned into kemalist,he was not a harcore leftist either.

Mustafa Suphi was interested in Condemn and Unity party before he became communist.Also many turkish nationalists outside of Turkey was naturally under the domination of Soviets.Zeki Velidi Togan has a good word "We were just pretending to be communist because we had to,but Galiyev was a communist with full belief".

For Ulusal Parti and left kemalists,I like their anti islamist,pro science and nationalist stance,I liked many of their essays.But I don't trust them and don't take them seriously.They call themselves leftist,they are hostile toward one ethnic group and still accuse mhp guys with racism.I see a gigantic contradiction there,I don't take them seriously.

Atatürk was not leftist either,he was nationalist and secularist.He could have established a socialist state if he wanted,but didn't.


By the way,I criticize left kemalist but ı am closest to them among other politic groups.As I said I admire their anti islamist pro sicence attitude and their nationalist tendencies.Also most of my friends are left kemalist.One of them was calling me fascist\racist in my racist times but agreed with me at most of the time I talked about kurds:)

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Mate,these communists are true leftists .And left is not meant to be nationalist,but internationalist.


Before left was internasyonalist may be because of Russian effect but these days-after globalism- it has to be nationalist against big corporations otherwise we cant protect our water supplies ,workers ,lands against capitalist internationalists

Present day government are called conservationist but they even tend to export wives from Russia..Everything is being exported ,from teachers to doctors ,from herd animals to meat..or simply sold out

if left too becomes international,who will protect us against those golddigers
just my two cents

[Partizan]

Mustafa Suphi was interested in Condemn and Unity party before he became communist.Also many turkish nationalists outside of Turkey was naturally under the domination of Soviets.Zeki Velidi Togan has a good word "We were just pretending to be communist because we had to,but Galiyev was a communist with full belief".

Well,Galiyev was an interesting man...A Pan-Turkist who had Marxist way of thinking and had slight Islamist tendencies(not to forget that Tatar intellectual,Cedidci/Jadidci Islamists were quite above today's Islamist jerks).


For Ulusal Parti and left kemalists,I like their anti islamist,pro science and nationalist stance,I liked many of their essays.But I don't trust them and don't take them seriously.They call themselves leftist,they are hostile toward one ethnic group and still accuse mhp guys with racism.I see a gigantic contradiction there,I don't take them seriously.

They also blame MHP for being soft against Kurds.This party is the most anti-Kurdish party ever...I think if MHP would be a secular nationalist party,now Nationalism would be a left-leaning ideology in Turkey BTW.


Atatürk was not leftist either,he was nationalist and secularist.He could have founded a socialist state if he wanted.

I see him as a center-leftist/moderate Socialist.Just like Nasser and Chavez.I reccomend you to read "Hugo Chavez ve Bolivarcı Devrim" by Richard Gott.You can see connection between Nasser-Chavez-Atatürk.I can never compare Atatürk to Euro-Leftists or Soviet Bolsheviks,since their conditions are different.


By the way,I criticize left kemalist but ı am closest to them among other politic groups.As I said I admire their anti islamist pro sicence attitude and their nationalist tendencies.Also most of my friends are left kemalist.One of them was calling me fascist\racist in my racist times but agreed with me at most of the time I talked about kurds:)

Well I'm even fascist according to MHP guys in my city :) I'm not good with CHP/ADD and İP/TGB guys,I prefer a Kemalist leaning Ülkücü like Özdağ or Halaçoğlu to our dear Perinçek.


Before left was internasyonalist may be because of Russian effect but these days it has to be nationalist against big corporations otherwise we cant protect our water supplies ,workers ,lands against capitalist international

present day government are called consevationist but they even tend to export wives from Russia..Everything is being exported ,from teachers to doctors ,from herd animals to meat..

if left too becomes international,who will protect us against those golddigers
just my two cents

Well,at real Stalin was nothing but internationalist.He promoted anti-nationalism/intenationalism to Turkic people though,just like protectionist West promotes liberal/free-market economy in Third World.

I think we need Nasserist/Kemalist/Titoist/Galiyevist/Bolivarian kind of left :cool:

Anyway I'll sleep now...Good night :)

[Lathander]

Also for Turkish left,it is Left and Nationalism were born as brother ideologies.For example our stupid Communists always see Mustafa Suphi and Atatürk as rivals but it was Suphi who supported Turkish Independence War in Comintern and he said that,they shouldn't blame Mustafa Kemal for being chauvinist,including Suphi himself all Turks are a little bit chauvinist because of imperialism's pressure.He was a close friend of Galiyev also.About Suphi and Atatürk,I wrote something to a Turkish forum:
http://siyasiforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16582&p=165719



No ,start of turkish nationalism had nothing to do with left.Ziya Gökalp and many other schoolars of turkish nationalism was not interested in left.Also leftist type nationalism is not about ethnicity as far as I know,but our definition of citizenship is name of an ethnic group.

Beginnig of turkish left had nothing to do with Atatürk.

[Lathander]

I see him as a center-leftist/moderate Socialist.Just like Nasser and Chavez.I reccomend you to read "Hugo Chavez ve Bolivarcı Devrim" by Richard Gott.You can see connection between Nasser-Chavez-Atatürk.I can never compare Atatürk to Euro-Leftists or Soviet Bolsheviks,since their conditions are different.



Atatürk was definitely not leftist\socialist.His economic policy was not leftist either. Atatürk being a leftist hero is a delusional idea.And Ulusal Party is a big bad joke.They are trying to be nationalist but ignore the roots of turkish nationalism,consider foreign people like Che as idol and insult the original turkish nationalists like Nihal Atsız.Old leftists who show nationalist tendencies to gain vote and try to take advantage of Atatürk's legacy disgusts me.Imitations are not as good as their originals but pathetic.

Left economic policy is an option but roots of the left is not nationalistic and when it tries to be nationalistic it creates stupid freaks like some ulusal party guys trying to combine soviet and turkish flags for a turan socialist republic,or guys who consider Deniz Gezmiş to be a hero but tries to be anti-kurd at the same time.

As I've said imitations are not as good as their originals.

I will go to my village tomorrow,I will not be able to post for 2-3 days,good evenings for everyone.

[Partizan]

Well bro I'm writing from mobile and will stay in Antalya for 4 days...Will reply you later.

[Lathander]

Well bro I'm writing from mobile and will stay in Antalya for 4 days...Will reply you later.

Really,I live in Antalya.By the way I wrote little bit harsh but don't take it personal mate.It is my general idea about this issues.

[Partizan]

No ,start of turkish nationalism had nothing to do with left.Ziya Gökalp and many other schoolars of turkish nationalism was not interested in left.Also leftist type nationalism is not about ethnicity as far as I know,but our definition of citizenship is name of an ethnic group.

Beginnig of turkish left had nothing to do with Atatürk.

I mean intellectuals like Akçura were left leaning as well.Also Gökalp's opinions on Land Reform are quite left IMO.


Atatürk was definitely not leftist\socialist.His economic policy was not leftist either. Atatürk being a leftist hero is a delusional idea.And Ulusal Party is a big bad joke.They are trying to be nationalist but ignore the roots of turkish nationalism,consider foreign people like Che as idol and insult the original turkish nationalists like Nihal Atsız.Old leftists who show nationalist tendencies to gain vote and try to take advantage of Atatürk's legacy disgusts me.Imitations are not as good as their originals but pathetic.

Left economic policy is an option but roots of the left is not nationalistic and when it tries to be nationalistic it creates stupid freaks like some ulusal party guys trying to combine soviet and turkish flags for a turan socialist republic,or guys who consider Deniz Gezmiş to be a hero but tries to be anti-kurd at the same time.

As I've said imitations are not as good as their originals.

I will go to my village tomorrow,I will not be able to post for 2-3 days,good evenings for everyone.

Statism and Populism...Those two doctrines could be only found in left ideologies,also Atatürk used term of "Devlet Sosyalizmi"(State Socialism) in several times;1919,1923 and 1933.

About Atsız,I'm an ex-Atsızcı and I see his ideas quite shallow...Besides being racist/ethnic nationalist,he was prejusticially anti-leftist.I prefer Akçura or Gökalp instead him.

About Gezmiş,he also prouded with Kemalism unlike today's communists.We should differentiate today's Communists and '68 youth.

BTW Ulusal Parti's ideas aren't new,they're just continuing Galiyev/Avcıoğlu stance :)

Really,I live in Antalya.By the way I wrote little bit harsh but don't take it personal mate.It is my general idea about this issues.

Now I'm in hotel...I'll spend my time here by reading book,swimming and hitting some chicks,it is rather difficult to me since many chicks here are Russian and I'm not really exotic to them.I have chance in WOGesses more :p

I hope this night will be my last moment in forum,for four days :)