The sequence of appearing in the North Europe (and around) of the main Haplogroups

[beaver]

My opinion:

1) N1c1 - hunters that came from North Euro-Asia (from the east/north-east) immediately after the glacier - about 9000 BC
2) I1a1 - the Neolitic farmers - about 9000 - 8000 BC. (from the south) They also brought the Eiberg mutation and other recessive mutations for light pigmentation (they really needed this because their children were dying of rickets).
3) R1a1 - about 6000-4000 BC - corded ware culture and IE (from the east/south-east).
4) I still have no clear ideas about R1b.

They all made the so cold "whites" together. They are all the main players on the European map. The situation with J, G etc is very interesting but is much more complicated.

[Lisa]

I1 originally were dark - as J or E haplogroups.

[beaver]

I1 originally were dark - as J or E haplogroups.
Like all haplogroups, Nero. But they were the only population that went in that direction (South-North) being alredy farmers. In the first moment only they were interested in depigmentation because of deficit of the vitamin D. Hunters had no such problem (like modern Eskimos). The Golfstream made it possible to be farmers so northly only in this region of the world, its much more profitable business for a population than any other.

[Lisa]

Depigmentation is probably related to Ursula & N1c/I1a/R1a .

[beaver]

Only I1 from this company has something in common with the first region of farming - the Middle Asia. And i dont speak about mtdna just because its not so informative - you will find never clear looking on the mtdna maps because it is a very conservative thing. Yeah, Ursula is one of the main European mtdna/s, this speaks nothing about ways of migrations.

[Insuperable]

My opinion:

1) N1c1 - hunters that came from North Euro-Asia (from the east/north-east) immediately after the glacier - about 9000 BC
2) I1a1 - the Neolitic farmers - about 9000 - 8000 BC. (from the south) They also brought the Eiberg mutation and other recessive mutations for light pigmentation (they really needed this because their children were dying of rickets).
3) R1a1 - about 6000-4000 BC - corded ware culture and IE (from the east/south-east).
4) I still have no clear ideas about R1b.

They all made the so cold "whites" together. They are all the main players on the European map. The situation with J, G etc is very interesting but is much more complicated.

What about I2?

[Insuperable]

My opinion:

1) N1c1 - hunters that came from North Euro-Asia (from the east/north-east) immediately after the glacier - about 9000 BC
2) I1a1 - the Neolitic farmers - about 9000 - 8000 BC. (from the south) They also brought the Eiberg mutation and other recessive mutations for light pigmentation (they really needed this because their children were dying of rickets).
3) R1a1 - about 6000-4000 BC - corded ware culture and IE (from the east/south-east).
4) I still have no clear ideas about R1b.

They all made the so cold "whites" together. They are all the main players on the European map. The situation with J, G etc is very interesting but is much more complicated.

What about I2?
It is too young so you excluded it or..?

[beaver]

What about I2?
It is too young so you excluded it or..?

see in the first post


The situation with J, G etc is very interesting but is much more complicated.

and I2 and many others. Did you see the European haplogroup map? Compare the number of these four and others? You ask about little (relatively) haplogroup but there is no clearness concerning the giants.

[Insuperable]

see in the first post



and I2 and many others. Did you see the European haplogroup map? Compare the number of these four and others? You ask about little (relatively) haplogroup but there is no clearness concerning the giants.

yes, it says North Europe,
did not read the topic name and I could not see the whole topic name while I was clicking but I2 is also essential haplogroup for some northeastern countries and there is also I2 which is of Germanic branch ( north Germany has 7-8% of I2b )

[Pallantides]

How about Q1a3*(no further subclade) that's present at 4% in South Norway and also in Sweden(ca. 3?)

[Prince Carlo]

How about Q1a3*(no further subclade) that's present at 4% in South Norway and also in Sweden(ca. 3?)

Shared mesolitich artic ancestry?

[Pallantides]

Shared mesolitich artic ancestry?

It's sort of interesting though that it is not present in Sami nor Finns(expect for some West Finns, where it is a bit less than 1%)

[Prince Carlo]

It's sort of interesting though that it is not present in Sami nor Finns(expect for some West Finns, where it is a bit less than 1%)

Q1a3* is also found in Saudi Arabia and Sardinia. It could be a signal of central asian -> mediterranean ancestry.

[Pallantides]

Q1a3* is also found in Saudi Arabia and Sardinia. It could be a signal of central asian -> mediterranean ancestry.

Isn't it Q1b that is usually present in the middle east(and also among Ashkenazi Jews)

I don't think Q1a3 here have anything to with Mediterraneans but possible could be from Central Asia.