Women more priviliged than men?

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

Are women more priviliged than men in modern society?

They can choose to be adults and work hard, but at any moment can give up and decide to have their husband take care of them. They have extra time in life because of the financial support they gain to actually do much more than men could ever when you think about it. They can have their expenses paid for by their boyfriend then use extra money to invest in their own health and things like this, then choose to get a job for a while and only get the jobs that they enjoy, no pressure.

[Hurrem sultana]

Sure we are,but we deserve it after thousands of years of misery :D

[Sarmatian]

Sure we are,but we deserve it after thousands of years of misery :D

:picard1:
Did you suffer any misery personally? Then you should ask those who subjected you to it for compensation.

Claiming any privileges based on the fact that someone who belongs to the same category suffered some sort of mistreatment is plain retarded. Or you going to claim that the man destined to be the father of your children is responsible for anything that happened to women hundreds and thousands years ago thus shall be subjected to punishment and humiliation?

[Hurrem sultana]

What punishment and humiliation? where do yuo see that? women are today better off in society because society is more pro-female than pro male ,and i am just saying we deserve it

[rhiannon]

Women are still not taken as seriously as men.

One area in which this manifests is healthcare. Women who come in complaining of chest pains, etc, are more likely to be blown off as hysterical or overreacting than men presenting with the same symptoms. This has resulted in greater numbers of women who actually die of cardiac disease because the diagnosis was missed.

This is but one example.:(

[Hurrem sultana]

Women are still not taken as seriously as men.

One area in which this manifests is healthcare. Women who come in complaining of chest pains, etc, are more likely to be blown off as hysterical or overreacting than men presenting with the same symptoms. This has resulted in greater numbers of women who actually die of cardiac disease because the diagnosis was missed.

This is but one example.:(

But we do overreact quite often

i know from my experience,every little change on my body and it is chaos....i am thinking about all the forms of cancer i might have :( :D I remember when i got a lump(those were bad times :() on my neck...i was silly,but at least i learned so much about cancer, from google :D

[Mraz]

Well, today men can have sex without commitment and they can run away once their partner is pregnant, so I guess it's a fair trade :D

[Behemot]

But we do overreact quite often

i know from my experience,every little change on my body and it is chaos....i am thinking about all the forms of cancer i might have :( :D I remember when i got a lump(those were bad times :() on my neck...i was silly,but at least i learned so much about cancer, from google :D
That is called being responsabile on your own health
Women generally have longer life span than men due to that fact.
I'm not talking about google doctors here.
Women are far more likely to search for medical help than men with same symptoms,and more likely to prevent something serious that is going on,or "catch" it on time.
And that is a great thing,without unnecesary machoism ,health care brings results :thumb001:

[Lena]

I don't know in what lala-land some of you live. To work (often hard), to create and to contribute to the society is a privilege, not the other way around.

[Mago]

I don't think so.. women go through a lot. Menstruation, mood swings, giving birth, having to look perfect even to go buy groceries at the corner, having to deal with us men and a million other things. The hardest thing in life is to be a woman.

[carol]

Young woman, without any children, may have it easier than men in the first few years of adulthood. But the woman who has children is in another situation entirely. With or without a husband, that woman has a life long commitment to their child, and has to financially support that child until adulthood. Even married women have to work and look after the children, and do the housework. When the child is sick, the mom has to take time off work. When the child is up at night, the mom is up also. The majority of housework and child care goes to the mother. Young women, without children, may have an easy life, but a mother's life is constant work. Even when she loves her work, it is harder than a man's life.

[Sarmatian]

What punishment and humiliation? where do yuo see that? women are today better off in society because society is more pro-female than pro male ,and i am just saying we deserve it

Pro-feminine society is one of the biggest screw-ups of modern world. Is it supposed to be pro-male or pro-female at all, why can't it be pro-human?


I don't think so.. women go through a lot. Menstruation, mood swings, giving birth, having to look perfect even to go buy groceries at the corner, having to deal with us men and a million other things. The hardest thing in life is to be a woman.

Dude, all these things you talking about... women are born this way, its absolutely natural thing for them and all those complaining are nothing but lazy psychologically underdeveloped girls. I respect women who taking their feminine part of life as given, who just taking care of their stuff. I know its hard and often exhausting but that is what life about. Males' life is not a walk in a park either. And I will do my best to help my woman not by actually doing her feminine part but by taking care of my masculine part of life.

[Graus]

Women in general tend to had it easier through history, feminism only accelerated it and replaced the husband with big daddy government. Its not like feminist dont need a man, they need all of us. We pay for their bastards while they still provide for them and later when they are in prison, because who needs a father, right? We drag them along in professions they are unsuited for and promoted them further than they deserve just to meet some leftists quotas.
Dont get me wrong I am all for equality, the world has changed and there is no need to exclude women who are able to meet the same standards as men.
But thats not what feminism is about, its an odd mixture of entitlement, fear,conspiracy theories, misandry, socialism and emotional world view.

[carol]

Women in general tend to had it easier through history,

Look at the stats. It is very obvious during human history just by looking at the death rate that women died earlier due to childbirth, and the men outlived women and married several wives. After the child birth years, if a woman survived, she had a longer life. People forget the times before birth control, where women died producing many children.

[Graus]

Look at the stats. It is very obvious during human history just by looking at the death rate that women died earlier due to childbirth, and the men outlived women and married several wives. After the child birth years, if a woman survived, she had a longer life. People forget the times before birth control, where women died producing many children.

I am aware of that but its biology not some sort of patriarchal scheme. Its actually the one danger men couldnt take from them, like pretty much all others.
And because of a high child mortality rate, many offsprings were essential for the survival of ones genes, family and oneself.

[arcticwolf]

Are they? Not sure. I for one would not want to be a woman, period. The biology alone is enough for me to be glad to be a man.

Their life is anything but easy for the most part, giving birth, raising kids, maintaining the household, taking care of herself, nowadays working so family can make ends meet, going thru monthly hormonal changes etc, it's anything but easy or privileged.

Should men appreciate all this, absolutely. If men' appreciation is a privilege than I guess they are privileged sometimes.

Of course I'm talking of normal women, who live their lives with the focus on family, which are overwhelming majority.

[carol]

I am aware of that but its biology not some sort of patriarchal scheme. Its actually the one danger men couldnt take from them, like pretty much all others.
And because of a high child mortality rate, many offsprings were essential for the survival of ones genes, family and oneself.

You are confusing the topic-women "having it better than men, or not" I am not a woman looking for patriarchal schemes:D It is simply a fact.

[carol]

Are they? Not sure. I for one would not want to be a woman, period. The biology alone is enough for me to be glad to be a man.

Their life is anything but easy for the most part, giving birth, raising kids, maintaining the household, taking care of herself, nowadays working so family can make ends meet, going thru monthly hormonal changes etc, it's anything but easy or privileged.

Should men appreciate all this, absolutely. If men' appreciation is a privilege than I guess they are privileged sometimes.

Of course I'm talking of normal women, who live their lives with the focus on family, which are overwhelming majority.

Thanks!

[Graus]

You are confusing the topic-women "having it better than men, or not" I am not a woman looking for patriarchal schemes:D It is simply a fact.

I was only talking about roles in societies and other social constructs, if we take biology into account things look a little different.

But its because of those biological differences it made sense back in the days for the men to have the authority but also to be accountable.
It was in the womens best interest and not "oppression" as feminists like to call it.

[carol]

I was only talking about roles in societies and other social constructs, if we take biology into account things look a little different.

But its because of those biological differences it made sense back in the days for the men to have the authority but also to be accountable.
It was in the womens best interest and not "oppression" as feminists like to call it.

Well, I don't agree with you, but I won't argue about it. Biological differences caused the relationships between men and women to have been based upon those roles, but that is irrelevant now.
Even now, childcare accounts for a large amount of time and energy and money on the woman's part.
The idea that someone would have power over me 'in my best interest' is somewhat creepy, however. I wouldn't accept that version of reality :) Only children require an accountable authority in their lives, not adults. I own a home,pay the bills, own a car, on my own. Why would I relinquish my autonomy? No one who loves autonomy would, male or female, no one wants to be under another person's thumb.

[Graus]

I was talking strictly from a historical point of view, after all our modern western society is a lot less dangerous and physical demanding than it used to be. I have no problem with women or equal rights, as long as it isnt those feminazi pseudo-equality, which is quite frankly just as misogynic as misandric.

[carol]

I agree, that any emotionally driven, misandric / misogynic irrational belief system should be reexamined. Any adult who is worth the time relating to is much more complex and able to think more clearly. But I see the same flaws in other belief systems, as well as the "feminazi" which I think is a rare group, just as ugly as the ubercontrolfreak men. Adults should be able to have balanced minds, and be able to see the complexity in belief systems. The most important trait, I think, is an ability to be comfortable with ambiguity, and to be able to reexamine ideas instead of being rigid. And of course, kindness is essential as well.

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

women now date more than men ever dated, you usually see a woman always in a relationship, but men can be single for a lot of time

also many women put off having children till they are 30

but if they choose to play the roll of the housewife I guess you can say it is harder to do.

[Frosty]

Are women more priviliged than men in modern society?

They can choose to be adults and work hard, but at any moment can give up and decide to have their husband take care of them. They have extra time in life because of the financial support they gain to actually do much more than men could ever when you think about it. They can have their expenses paid for by their boyfriend then use extra money to invest in their own health and things like this, then choose to get a job for a while and only get the jobs that they enjoy, no pressure.
:picard1:
And where does such a woman kingdom exist?Please,tell me,so I can move there.:D
Now,seriously.again I think,its a matter of personality.Since my early ages I've been taught the only person I can rely and depend on,is only me.Even most of not so heavy household repairmen I'm doing myself.If I was stronger,I would have done the rest also.Boyfriend paying my expenses?-No way.All the time I was trying to avoid such situations because i don't think its fair and makes me feel uncomfortable.
Of course women depicted by you are a fact,but such a behavior isn't attractive for any woman that holds respect to her boyfriend or husband.