Who are the most attractive on average, Neolithics or Upper-Paleolithics?

[finþaų]

Europeans are largely descended from Upper-Paleolithic/Mesolithic Cromagnoid/Cromagnoid derivative elements and Neolithic peoples who originally came from regions such as West Asia, South West Asia and North Africa.

Do you find the former or the latter more attractive?

Speciments of mainly Upper-Paleolithic morphologies:

http://i.imgur.com/ikVqT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/udf8X.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LLBeM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qp2sE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YF3Up.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/miykP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oFPvH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wvlXR.jpg

Specimens of mainly Neolithic morphologies:

http://i.imgur.com/xV8Tv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/muAuP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2BW6b.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4nmRg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zpRru.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nIMyk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/v7ovc.jpg

I did my best to select decent representatives, but please try and vote for your favourite general type, and not for the exemplars listed.

[Mordid]

Upper-Paleolithic + Neolithic and vice versa = nice and harmonious combination:
http://informacjesportowe.pl/zdjecia/bandrowski_musimy_sie_przelamac_z_arka_46162.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4619985854_3d475db78c.jpg
http://celebslists.com/images/vuk-kostic-07.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/pole22.jpg

[Stefan]

I'd say the most attractive people tend to have symmetric features, and hence would be some type of intermediate. I find Alpino-Meds, Sub-nordid + Faelid, and Atlantid + West Alpinid to be the most harmonious and therefore metrically intermediate types, in women, for example. So I suppose a reduced Upper Paleolithic + Neolithic + non-reduced Upper Paleolithic is a nice combination that tends to even out. Although, mixtures could not be harmonious as well.

Usually extremes tend to look asymmetric in comparison though.

If I must choose between Neolithic and UP, I'd probably choose the first though, predominately because they aren't prone to the diversity and extreme adaptations that UPs are, they're more generalized than specialized.

[1810-2010]

It is a very subjective question, depending too much on personnal preferences and tastes and as they say, На вкус и цвет товарищей нет :).
My personnal preferences been similar for both derivatives, I cannot vote.
PS: well not sure how "Neolithic" the leptoprosopic forms are givent that they were already present in late Plesitocene (Combe-Capelle; Przedmost; some Brno crania) so I'd say that Atlanto-Pontid and Nordids derivate from UP prototypes while the gracilest forms would indeed be neolithic (both from ME migration + some robust leptomorfs reduced locally by neolitisation ....)

[member]

I'm not used to such faces:

http://i.imgur.com/muAuP.jpg

Looks totally foreign and I must say quite unharmonious to my eye.

[Sikeliot]

Neolithic.

[gold_fenix]

i would say neolithic for women , paleolithic for men and mix for both

[rashka]

I don't see a difference between the two sets of pics except that the first set has wider noses and the second set has higher bridges.

[Ozzy]

I don't see a difference between the two sets of pics except that the first set has wider noses and the second set has higher bridges.

You don't notice a difference in head shape?

[Arbërori]

The Upper-Paleolithic ones seem to be the more attractive ones in
general, but she is absolutely stunning, even more than Catherine! :thumb001:
http://i.imgur.com/v7ovc.jpg

[rashka]

You don't notice a difference in head shape?

I think I see the second set having longer faces? How can you see the head shapes of people if you can't see their profiles?

[MEDACHE]

Neither. Both have unattractive and attractive people.

[Ozzy]

I think I see the second set having longer faces? How can you see the head shapes of people if you can't see their profiles?

Well, I figured you could still tell that the UP folk had stockier facial shapes, while the Neo folk looked rather slender in comparison. I thought that a more narrow face/forehead translates to a longer skull, generally. Maybe that's a false assumption to make?

[Pallantides]

I prefer real Upper-Paleolithic and Mesolithic looking indviduals
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/4465551.jpg
http://g.api.no/obscura/pub/298x1000r/01021/1163606385000_Nett_mari_1021605298x1000r.jpg
http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2012/07/29/1343586199864_854.jpg
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/3ad405ba06a10a0d42aeda0897ee9ec4/l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bWgVm.jpg

[Sunphq]

I prefer real Upper-Paleolithics and Mesolithic looking indviduals

You mean East Asians? :D:eyes

[Pallantides]

You mean East Asians? :D:eyes

No:picard1:

But people who actually are most similar to Mesolithic Europeans not only genetically but also look wise:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50422

http://i.imgur.com/GYwwt.jpg

[Mesrine]

Neolithics, no doubt.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jessica+Lowndes+9th+Annual+Teen+Vogue+Young+KbKDYu 8hogox.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/4407_1100363561818_4208901_n.jpg

[Tony]

UPs are no match for Neolithics, especially as regard to women.
Maybe one may prefers Uppers just because of infantile imprinting.
Upper Paleo look too much archaic, primitive and often Mongo-mixed*, all stuff I'm not attracted to.


*meanin' the Siberian-Tungid part of them, if they looked mixed with Gracile Orientalid it would have been better.

[askra]

I doubt about the existence of peculiar neolithic and paleolithic phenotypes, i could do a lot of example of european people labelled as neolithics that look paleolithics and viceversa, so i don't know.

[Ushtari]

Neolithic for women, no doubt

[Pallantides]

Neolithic:
http://i.imgur.com/PF4oB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/svbkS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TVb0V.jpg

[Insuperable]

What does it mean to look mesolithic and neolithic?

What you assume to be neolithic admixture is based on agricultural evidences (evidences) and haplogroup frequencies.
There are several models not one.
Are there any more reasons not to believe that this mysterious "neolithic" admixture could be way older?

[Insuperable]

[QUOTE=Pallantides;1077545]

Since when do all UP look like that? What about Basques?

[Pallantides]

Since when do all UP look like that? What about Basques?

Recent genetic studies show that Mesolithic Iberians were much closer to modern North Europeans than Iberians and definitely Basques.

[gold_fenix]

This mustn't be said here, i know because isn't the genetic subforum but anyway the study is this:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/mesolithic-iberians-la-brana-arintero.html

the problem in that is that 1% of the DNA has been descrypted, there are very low amount of iberian samples in comparation with other european and it is 7000 years ago and neolithic was VIII b.c (in Europe) from to metallurgy

[Balmung]

Neolithics, no doubt.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jessica+Lowndes+9th+Annual+Teen+Vogue+Young+KbKDYu 8hogox.jpg

Mmm Yes, North American girls are most attractive :D

[gold_fenix]

Neolithics, no doubt.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jessica+Lowndes+9th+Annual+Teen+Vogue+Young+KbKDYu 8hogox.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/4407_1100363561818_4208901_n.jpg

Superior American: i choose the second, hehehe , she reminds something to Imago_dei, anyway is the same girl not?

[Insuperable]

Formerly there had been much debate about whether the westerly spread of agriculture from the Near East was driven by farmers actually migrating, or by the transfer of ideas and technologies to indigenous hunter-gatherers. However, in a very recent study in 2010, researchers have studied the genetic diversity of modern populations to throw light on the processes involved in these ancient events. The new study, funded by the Wellcome Trust, examines the diversity of the Y chromosome. Mark Jobling, who led the research, said: "We focused on the commonest Y-chromosome lineage in Europe, carried by about 110 million men, it follows a gradient from south-east to north-west, reaching almost 100% frequency in Ireland. We looked at how the lineage is distributed, how diverse it is in different parts of Europe, and how old it is." The results suggested that the lineage R1b1b2 (R-M269), like E1b1b or J lineages, spread together with farming from the Near East. Prior archaeological[29][30][31][32][33] and metrological[34][35] studies had arrived at similar conclusions in support of the migrationist model.

Dr Patricia Balaresque, first author of the study, added: "In total, this means that more than 80% of European Y chromosomes descend from incoming farmers. In contrast, most maternal genetic lineages seem to descend from hunter-gatherers. To us, this suggests a reproductive advantage for farming males over indigenous hunter-gatherer males during the switch from hunting and gathering, to farming".[36][37][38]

Who cares about mesolitics anyway:laugh:

[kenji]

no one is perfectly looking neolithics or upper- plaeolithics in moder population so from the current population view i feel ----> neo+upper-paleo mix look more attractive

[CelticViking]

Neolithic
http://i.imgur.com/2BW6b.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xV8Tv.jpg


I like these two :)

[Pallantides]

Neolithic:
http://i.imgur.com/VIfgY.jpg(West Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/vjeLa.jpg(West Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/2lhzf.jpg(North Norwegian)

Mesolithic:
http://i.imgur.com/v4U78.jpg(East Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/uJ3gH.jpg(East+West Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/PCigA.jpg(East Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/2IIxs.jpg(East Norwegian)

Blends:
http://i.imgur.com/dDoAs.jpg(West Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/BfoBL.jpg(East Norwegian)
http://i.imgur.com/cQheE.jpg(East Norwegian)*pred mesolithic

[Kazimiera]

Definitely UP.

[Atlantic Islander]

I like both types, it really depends on the overall look though. So I can't decide - to me they're equally attractive.

[Lábaru]

Asians Cro-Magnons are really ugly.

[Atlantic Islander]

Neolithic:

http://i.imgur.com/TVb0V.jpg

Oh come on, she's not ugly.

Swedish singer:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/000/0w0/2-u3_zpsc190ce9a.png

Gaga:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h157/animebooklover/000/0w0/4g-1_zps20242b32.png

:P

[Vesuvian Sky]

I think both can produce attractive types but there are extreme ends to both spectrums that perhaps are not so attractive.

I'm not sure though if some of the examples can really be regarded as purely Neolithic. I think all Neolithic types or those perceived as such of Europid extraction have ample Paleo-admixture.

[BLUEU]

Neolithics.

[rhiannon]

UP/Meso types are more my type than pure Neo types. However, I think I like blends the best in both men and women.

[Sikeliot]

Neolithic. Despite NOT being mostly Neolithic in genes, I am glad I got some Neolithic to my looks.

[Atlantic Islander]

I could never choose. http://mazeguy.net/expressive/greedy.gif

What is he?:

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/7263/jensenackles2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img812/9240/ackles.jpg

A blend yes? :D

[askra]

Who is more attractive: Neolithic Otzi or Upper paleolithic Kris Kristofferson ? :confused:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4555905280/h190402CC/

There isn't any scientific source to claim the existence of particular neolithic and paleolithic phenotypes. Some users are confusing the cromagnoid phenotypes with the term paleolithic.

[Lemon Kush]

Neolithics are much more attractive to my eye than Mesolithics/Upper Paleolithics (unaltered Cro-Magnids). Especially the women. :D I don't like women who are pure Cro-Magnid, a slender face and build looks much better. :thumb001:

[Lemon Kush]

Who is more attractive: Neolithic Otzi or Upper paleolithic Kris Kristofferson ? :confused:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4555905280/h190402CC/

There isn't any scientific source to claim the existence of particular neolithic and paleolithic phenotypes. Some users are confusing the cromagnoid phenotypes with the term paleolithic.

Well today's European Cro-Magnids are related to the original Paleolithic peoples of Europe. While the Neolithics are different and more related to North-Africans, South and Soutwest Asians (Middle Easterners) in craniofacial, bone, and body structure.

[Pallantides]

Who is more attractive: Neolithic Otzi or Upper paleolithic Kris Kristofferson ? :confused:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4555905280/h190402CC/

There isn't any scientific source to claim the existence of particular neolithic and paleolithic phenotypes. Some users are confusing the cromagnoid phenotypes with the term paleolithic.

I think this Sámi guy look much more like Ötzi than Kris does:
http://i.imgur.com/j47IKG1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bvU8YVz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/I67t6D4.jpg

Ötzi
http://i.imgur.com/3AwPZYx.jpg

[Insuperable]

Blends look the best

[Graham]

All the Meds & Long faces voted Neolithic haha.

[Smaug]

Neolithic for sure.

[Graham]

Upper Paleolithic representatives.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tmgkUkjUElI/UJdq6ZtrgnI/AAAAAAAAAJw/Q1JCduHFvTU/s320/450px-Venus_vom_Hohlen_Fels_Original_frontal.jpghttp://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a08/5j/rh/activities-paleolithic-man-800x800.jpg

[rashka]

Upper Paleolithic representatives.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tmgkUkjUElI/UJdq6ZtrgnI/AAAAAAAAAJw/Q1JCduHFvTU/s320/450px-Venus_vom_Hohlen_Fels_Original_frontal.jpghttp://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a08/5j/rh/activities-paleolithic-man-800x800.jpg

I would think UP is more related to North Africans than Neolithics.

[ChocolateFace]

I wish a mixture between the 2 was an option. I can't make up my mind haha.