Alija Izetbegović RIP

[Su]

Classify him:

http://www.camo.ch/Images3/AlijaIzetbegovic-slikaizmladjihdana.jpg
http://www.sandzaknews.com/slike/vijest-2348.jpg
http://media.nadanasnjidan.ba/picture/velike/alija_izetbegovic.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/5098638399_07fc72602d.jpg

[Midori]

Norid

[Turkophagos]

The man who wanted to turn Bosnia into the Iran of Europe?? Rot in hell.


A Pontid-Dinarid traitor of Europe.

[Su]

Norid

What's the difference between Nordid and Noric ?

[Midori]

What's the difference between Nordid and Noric ?

Norid is basically a Nordid/Dinarid mix.

[safinator]

Norid + Borreby

[Su]

I tried to find a few more pictures of him when he was younger but l didnt fin apart from 1. If someone has got more pictures of him, post pls thnaks

[Saruman]

I tried to find a few more pictures of him when he was younger but l didnt fin apart from 1. If someone has got more pictures of him, post pls thnaks

http://s12.postimage.org/b80b7nsjv/izetbegovic1.jpg

http://s12.postimage.org/nnx11elvv/izetbegovic2.jpg

http://s12.postimage.org/izh167wp7/izetbegovic3.jpg

Norid + some Baltoid that got lost in advanced age as mature Dinaroid features become more pronounced.

[Su]

http://s12.postimage.org/b80b7nsjv/izetbegovic1.jpg

http://s12.postimage.org/nnx11elvv/izetbegovic2.jpg

http://s12.postimage.org/izh167wp7/izetbegovic3.jpg


Yeah he looked different when he was younger. He was handsome.

[Partizan]

Norid+CM...

Well,I heard he had negative opinions about secularism of Turkey,that's why I can never like him...

[Grizzly]

Looks like my grandfather

[Europa]

Noric/Pontid

[Hurrem sultana]

Norid+CM...

Well,I heard he had negative opinions about secularism of Turkey,that's why I can never like him...

True ,,,he never liked Ataturk and openly showd it by not paying him respect when visiting Turkey :D only sultan

but turks still like him though

[Su]

Well I like Ataturk a lot but I do respect also Alija Izetbegović.

[Hurrem sultana]

http://s12.postimage.org/b80b7nsjv/izetbegovic1.jpg

http://s12.postimage.org/nnx11elvv/izetbegovic2.jpg

http://s12.postimage.org/izh167wp7/izetbegovic3.jpg


Yeah he looked different when he was younger. He was handsome.

I agree:cool:

[Su]

I agree:cool:

To me he looks typical Bosnian, also you look typical Bosnian :thumb001:

[Hurrem sultana]

To me he looks typical Bosnian, also you look typical Bosnian :thumb001:

Yet we are from 2 very different parts of Bosnia:D

[Hurrem sultana]

His son Bakir Izetbegovic:

http://www.bosnjaci.net/foto/bakir_izetbegovic_8_big.jpg

http://www.sodalive.ba/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bakir.jpg

[Midori]

His son Bakir Izetbegovic:


He looks a bit like the president of Chechnya..

[Saruman]

He looks a bit like the president of Chechnya..

That man looks more North Caucasian with some of their traits, his son looks like Norid with quite Eastnordid-like morphology, and some possibly Cromagnoid influence.

Btw. here's his family, with his son missing. So wife and 3 daughters. One daughter looks more Aryan, even pred. Btw. his paternal ancestors are from Belgrade, then they moved to Samac.

http://s17.postimage.org/6a89ub6kd/izetbegovici.jpg

[Partizan]

True ,,,he never liked Ataturk and openly showd it by not paying him respect when visiting Turkey :D only sultan

but turks still like him though

Well,he was especially good with Islamist Fethullah Gülen and center-rightist Süleyman Demirel...

I think a Kemalist has no reason for liking him,right wingers can like him though.

[Hurrem sultana]

Saruman i see no pictures

[Su]

By the way I also like Fetullah Gulen.

[Azalea]

By the way I also like Fetullah Gulen.

:eek:

[Su]

:eek:

Ciddiyim.

[Azalea]

Ah well. I respect your opinion. :D

[Partizan]

It's your opinion of course but I'm surprised too :eek:

Yaşar Nuri Öztürk ftw! ;)

[Saruman]

Saruman i see no pictures

In this vid. @2:00 family photo
vf0FQ9_OfwI

[Su]

It's your opinion of course but I'm surprised too :eek:

Yaşar Nuri Öztürk ftw! ;)

Well in fact I like also Yasar Nuri Ozturk.

I believe I like too many people :picard1:

All these people have got really good sides I respect a lot :)

[Behemot]

Bosniak traitor and criminal

[Partizan]

Well in fact I like also Yasar Nuri Ozturk.

I believe I like too many people :picard1:

All these people have got really good sides I respect a lot :)

You're the first person I've seen who likes Yaşar Nuri Öztürk and Fetthullah Gülen at the same time :)

Don't say you like Adnan Oktar too :)

[Su]

You're the first person I've seen who likes Yaşar Nuri Öztürk and Fetthullah Gülen at the same time :)

Don't say you like Adnan Oktar too :)

Sorry I dont know him.

[Partizan]

Sorry I dont know him.

It's better not to know him:
2HyT4A3gICc

:lol:

[Su]

You're the first person I've seen who likes Yaşar Nuri Öztürk and Fetthullah Gülen at the same time :)

Don't say you like Adnan Oktar too :)

Fetthullah Gulen cemiyetiyle yurtdisindaki Turk'ler ozellikle dogmalar, Turkcelerini duzeltiyorlar, ayrica din konusundada konusmalar yapiliniyor ve Kuran hakkinda konusuluyor ve ayrica gene cemiyet fakir cocuklari toplayip cok az bir ucrete tatile v.s. cikariyor mesela bu yil musluman arnavut, bosnak, alman ve turk cocuklarini 1 haftaligina turkiyeye tatile gonderdiler (en azindan benim ailemin ooturdugu yerdeki cemiyet) mesela bu sayede turkiyeyi hic bilmeyen cocuklar bile -ve turk olmayan- turkiyeye isiniyor.

ayrica turkce olimpiyatlari gulen sayesinde olmamismiydi? eger yanilmiyorsam o baslatti, onun parmagi var.

Yasar Nuri Ozturk desen beni onuda severim, "onun" sayesinde aslinda namaz kilmanin oyle zor olmadigini anladim/k.

ps: her turlu imla hatasini bos verin, suan yatarak alp toptan yaziyorum :D

[Partizan]

Fetthullah Gulen cemiyetiyle yurtdisindaki Turk'ler ozellikle dogmalar, Turkcelerini duzeltiyorlar, ayrica din konusundada konusmalar yapiliniyor ve Kuran hakkinda konusuluyor ve ayrica gene cemiyet fakir cocuklari toplayip cok az bir ucrete tatile v.s. cikariyor mesela bu yil musluman arnavut, bosnak, alman ve turk cocuklarini 1 haftaligina turkiyeye tatile gonderdiler (en azindan benim ailemin ooturdugu yerdeki cemiyet) mesela bu sayede turkiyeyi hic bilmeyen cocuklar bile -ve turk olmayan- turkiyeye isiniyor.

ayrica turkce olimpiyatlari gulen sayesinde olmamismiydi? eger yanilmiyorsam o baslatti, onun parmagi var.

Yasar Nuri Ozturk desen beni onuda severim, "onun" sayesinde aslinda namaz kilmanin oyle zor olmadigini anladim/k.

ps: her turlu imla hatasini bos verin, suan yatarak alp toptan yaziyorum :D

Grupta ya da Türkçe bölümde tartışmaya devam ederiz ama CIA bile Fetthullah Gülen'in onlarla ortak hareket eden insanlardan olduğunu resmi sitesinden açıkladı.Daha birçok sebep var Fetthullah'ı sevmemek için ama bu en belirgin olanı.

Yaşar Nuri'nin ise anti-emperyalist tavrı,Ku'ran'a dönüşü destekleyip geleneksel Sünnilikten farklı bir çizgide olması onu sevmem için en büyük iki sebep.

Anyway,let's stop off-topic before getting warned by mods :)

[Hurrem sultana]

Saruman i see no pictures


In this vid. @2:00 family photo
vf0FQ9_OfwI

:thumb001:

[aherne]

That man looks more North Caucasian with some of their traits, his son looks like Norid with quite Eastnordid-like morphology, and some possibly Cromagnoid influence.

Btw. here's his family, with his son missing. So wife and 3 daughters. One daughter looks more Aryan, even pred. Btw. his paternal ancestors are from Belgrade, then they moved to Samac.

http://s17.postimage.org/6a89ub6kd/izetbegovici.jpg

To me they all look certified Yugoslavian. Admit it or not, you guys are very obviously one ethnic group, regardless of religion (orthodox, catholic, islam)...

Daughter has Aryan features indeed (they happen frequently in Croatia, which I've visited more than once)...

Slavic influence is minimal to nonexistent.

[Sultan Suleiman]

He wasn't all that bad people give him rep these days, he did had his share of political boo boos and shady criminal activities, but I would take that glorious Sunni bastard over the Fikret and his conformist dip shits.

[Minesweeper]

Norid with Borreby.

Anyway, an Islamist who brought Mujaheddins, Wahhabis and other Muslim extremists to the Balkans. Btw, his ancestors were islamized Serbs from Belgrade.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Norid with Borreby.

Anyway, an Islamist who brought Mujaheddins, Wahhabis and other Muslim extremists to the Balkans. Btw, his ancestors were islamized Serbs from Belgrade.

That is a common myth, his is ancestors were Hungarians from Pécs which settled in Belgrade after the Ottoman retreat (like a significant number of other Belgrade Muslims).

Those Mujaheddins wouldn't come if Serbs weren't playing that nice and if Croats didn't somehow let them slip trough while keeping 15k of our own troops in camps across Dalmatia and Herzegovina :rolleyes:

[Sultan Suleiman]

Bosniak traitor and criminal

Živio drug Tito :rolleyes:

[Partizan]

He wasn't all that bad people give him rep these days, he did had his share of political boo boos and shady criminal activities, but I would take that glorious Sunni bastard over the Fikret and his conformist dip shits.

I don't know too much about Fikret Abdic,except he sided with Chetniks.

[Sultan Suleiman]

I don't know too much about Fikret Abdic,except he sided with Chetniks.

Well commies... err Liberals of today call Fikret a "thruu Bozznian 'ero" and spit of Izetbegović where ever they can get a chance to. I just wonder where were their collective red testicles when Alija was alive :rolleyes:

[Methmatician]

Well commies... err Liberals of today call Fikret a "thruu Bozznian 'ero" and spit of Izetbegović where ever they can get a chance to. I just wonder where were their collective red testicles when Alija was alive :rolleyes:

You couldn't say anything bad about Alija without some Bosniak coming into your home at night and kidnapping you :D It's like the 'n-word'; it's taboo.

[Behemot]

Živio drug Tito :rolleyes:
There is a big difference between Izetbegovic and Abdic....
Abdic as traitor should hang,and for petty criminals like Alija's ofspring jail is enough.....

[Sultan Suleiman]

You couldn't say anything bad about Alija without some Bosniak coming into your home at night and kidnapping you :D It's like the 'n-word'; it's taboo.

I am not saying he is beyond criticism and that his actions are not to be questioned, but what the red scum is doing today is fucking hilarious. :(

[Methmatician]

I am not saying he is beyond criticism and that his actions are not to be questioned, but what the red scum is doing today is fucking hilarious. :(

Red scum? Communists?

[Sultan Suleiman]

There is a big difference between Izetbegovic and Abdic....
Abdic as traitor should hang,and for petty criminals like Alija's ofspring jail is enough.....

I agree that his son has one helluva large shoes to fill up,but before that he should be held accountable for his criminal activities :thumb001:

[Sultan Suleiman]

Red scum? Communists?

No, the Islamists of Gornja Maoča :rolleyes:

[Methmatician]

No, the Islamists of Gornja Maoča :rolleyes:

They're both dangers to Bosnia.

[Mraz]

If I have a son I'll definitively call him Alija :coffee:

[kvarc]

He indentifed himself as a Serb more than once and it`s well documented

[Su]

He indentifed himself as a Serb more than once and it`s well documented

Any sources for that?

[Sultan Suleiman]

They're both dangers to Bosnia.

I wholeheartedly agree mate :thumb001:

[Sultan Suleiman]

Any sources for that?

He declared himself a Serb to join Serbian Academia and get Islamic Deceleration printed out.

[kvarc]

He declared himself a Serb to join Serbian Academia and get Islamic Deceleration printed out.

he was never a member of Serbian Academy of Science......hahah are you crazy, joining in a communist country a communist institution to get a fundamentalist, religious work printed? it doesn't make any sense, and plus he declared himself as Serb as far as 1948. census.

[Sultan Suleiman]

he was never a member of Serbian Academy of Science......hahah are you crazy, joining in a communist country a communist institution to get a fundamentalist, religious work printed? it doesn't make any sense, and plus he declared himself as Serb as far as 1948. census.

Look who printed out the first editions of Islamska Dekleracija. :picard2:

[Sorab]

Srbin Muhamedanac is the right name .At least it was before WW2 .
from Catholic encyclopedia

"Population

According to the census of 22 April 1895, Bosnia has 1,361,868 inhabitants and Herzegovina 229,168, giving a total population of 1,591,036. The number of persons to the square mile is small (about 80), less than that in any of the other Austrian crown provinces excepting Salzburg (about 70). This average does not vary much in the six districts (five in Bosnia, one in Herzegovina). The number of persons to the square mile in these districts is as follows: Doljna Tuzla, 106; Banjaluka, 96; Bihac, 91; Serajevo, 73, Mostar (Herzegovina), 65, Travnik, 62. There are 5,388 settlements, of which only 11 have more than 5,000 inhabitants, while 4,689 contain less 500 persons. Excluding some 30,000 Albanians living in the south-east, the Jews who emigrated in earlier times from Spain, a few Osmanli Turks, the merchants, officials. and Austrian troops, the rest of the population (about 98 per cent) belong to the southern Slavonic people, the Serbs. Although one in race, the people form in religious beliefs three sharply separated divisions: the Mohammedans, about 550,000 persons (35 per cent), Greek Schismatics, about 674,000 persons (43 per cent), and Catholics, about 334,000 persons (21.3 per cent). The last mentioned are chiefly peasants. The Mohammedans form the mass of the population in the region called the Krajina in the north-west, in the district of Serajevo and in the south-eastern part of the territory; the Greek Schismatics preponderate in the district of Banjaluka. The Catholics of the Latin Rite exceed the other two denominations only in the district of Travnik and in northern Herzegovina. There are in addition 8,000 Jews and 4,000 Protestants. Divided according to occupation 85 per cent of the population are farmers or wine-cultivators (1,385,291). There are 5,833 large estates, the owners of which are chiefly Mohammedans, 88,970 cultivators of land not their own (kmeten), 88,867 free peasants who own the land they till, and 22,625 peasants who own farming-land and also cultivate the land of others. The population of the towns is small."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02694a.htm

[Hurrem sultana]

Any sources for that?

Bosniaks had no right to their name before the war,we had to be Croatian muslims,or Serbian muslims...later we became "Muslimani"...we got our name (Bosniaks) back only after the war in the 90s

[Mraz]

Srbin Muhamedanac is the right name .At least it was before WW2 .

Srbin Muhamedanac, Turcin yesterday :rolleyes:

[Hurrem sultana]

Srbin Muhamedanac, Turcin yesterday :rolleyes:

They should decide what are we?:D:picard1:

[Mraz]

They should decide what are we?:D:picard1:

Whatever, we have only a word for them : Vlasi, this one will never change :D

[Hurrem sultana]

Whatever, we have only a word for them : Vlasi, this one will never change :D

My grandma had different kinds of forms: vlahindura,vlasce,vlahinja:D:D

[kvarc]

Whatever, we have only a word for them : Vlasi, this one will never change :D

tuff being an ex - Serb?

[Sorab]

They should decide what are we?:D:picard1:
My personal opinion is that you should decide what you are and are free to declare as what you want .And i never used term Turcin but Musliman .
http://www.bosnjackooko.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=422:muslimani-etnici-u-drugom-svjetskom-ratu-2&catid=40:the-community&Itemid=68
In Serbia Vlasi stands for Romance language speaking people of Romanian descent .

[kvarc]

Look who printed out the first editions of Islamska Dekleracija. :picard2:

as far as I know it was printed in Sarajevo 1969 and Izetbegovic was certainly never a member of SANU........ besides he declared him self as Serb in 1948 and also when he ended up in jail for his Declaration.

[aherne]

My grandma had different kinds of forms: vlahindura,vlasce,vlahinja:D:D

This is quite interesting, since it means Romanians. One thing is certain: you guys look as different from Romanians as night and day.

Regarding Bosniak's religion before Islamization, they were neither Catholic nor Orthodox, but Bogumil heretics. Disconnection from established Churches, both reviling their heresy, made conversion to Islam easy and complete...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Church

[Sultan Suleiman]

Srbin Muhamedanac is the right name .At least it was before WW2 .
from Catholic encyclopedia

"Population

According to the census of 22 April 1895, Bosnia has 1,361,868 inhabitants and Herzegovina 229,168, giving a total population of 1,591,036. The number of persons to the square mile is small (about 80), less than that in any of the other Austrian crown provinces excepting Salzburg (about 70). This average does not vary much in the six districts (five in Bosnia, one in Herzegovina). The number of persons to the square mile in these districts is as follows: Doljna Tuzla, 106; Banjaluka, 96; Bihac, 91; Serajevo, 73, Mostar (Herzegovina), 65, Travnik, 62. There are 5,388 settlements, of which only 11 have more than 5,000 inhabitants, while 4,689 contain less 500 persons. Excluding some 30,000 Albanians living in the south-east, the Jews who emigrated in earlier times from Spain, a few Osmanli Turks, the merchants, officials. and Austrian troops, the rest of the population (about 98 per cent) belong to the southern Slavonic people, the Serbs. Although one in race, the people form in religious beliefs three sharply separated divisions: the Mohammedans, about 550,000 persons (35 per cent), Greek Schismatics, about 674,000 persons (43 per cent), and Catholics, about 334,000 persons (21.3 per cent). The last mentioned are chiefly peasants. The Mohammedans form the mass of the population in the region called the Krajina in the north-west, in the district of Serajevo and in the south-eastern part of the territory; the Greek Schismatics preponderate in the district of Banjaluka. The Catholics of the Latin Rite exceed the other two denominations only in the district of Travnik and in northern Herzegovina. There are in addition 8,000 Jews and 4,000 Protestants. Divided according to occupation 85 per cent of the population are farmers or wine-cultivators (1,385,291). There are 5,833 large estates, the owners of which are chiefly Mohammedans, 88,970 cultivators of land not their own (kmeten), 88,867 free peasants who own the land they till, and 22,625 peasants who own farming-land and also cultivate the land of others. The population of the towns is small."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02694a.htm

:lol:

[dralos]

all bosniaks,alboz,croats who sided with serbs should die,burn them alive,we in kosova have captured alot of this bastards,most were offc half serb or had some serbian connection.but they know all are getting what they deserve extreme pain and after that some more pain then even some more and we should their families let them watch while they burn:D

[Methmatician]

all bosniaks,alboz,croats who sided with serbs should die,burn them alive,we in kosova have captured alot of this bastards,most were offc half serb or had some serbian connection.but they know all are getting what they deserve extreme pain and after that some more pain then even some more and we should their families let them watch while they burn:D

Yeah, the only crimes that were committed were committed by Serbs :rolleyes:

[dralos]

Yeah, the only crimes that were committed were committed by Serbs :rolleyes:
did i say that,plz read what i wrote with a bit more attention,but werent some of your ancesters serbs:D

[Partizan]

all bosniaks,alboz,croats who sided with serbs should die,burn them alive,we in kosova have captured alot of this bastards,most were offc half serb or had some serbian connection.but they know all are getting what they deserve extreme pain and after that some more pain then even some more and we should their families let them watch while they burn:D

Siding with Serbs is better than siding with NATO :rolleyes:

[dralos]

Siding with Serbs is better than siding with NATO :rolleyes:
hope one day you find that out,while the serbs are burning and killing your relatives,while you side with them:thumb001:

[Partizan]

hope one day you find that out,while the serbs are burning and killing your relatives,while you side with them:thumb001:

NATO and the US harmed my country more than Serbs,speaking for myself.

[dralos]

NATO and the US harmed my country more than Serbs,speaking for myself.
serbs harmed my country million times more then nato harmed your country,you keep crying about usa,while they invested in turkey be happy and shut it
i think you're forgetting how bad turkey was a few years ago till western powers invested in it:thumb001:

[Methmatician]

did i say that,plz read what i wrote with a bit more attention,but werent some of your ancesters serbs:D

You're obviously referring to Serbian war crimes, and you're saying by siding with the Serbs, you were supporting their crimes. And since you're saying we should kill people who sided with Serbs, you're saying that the Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians are innocent.

[Ushtari]

As for bosnians

No, Bosniaks are not Serbs. The fact is, historically and culturally, Bosniaks have much more relation and similarity's with Croats then Serbs. The fact is, Hungarian sources in the middle ages described Bosniaks as Croats, observe that this is not proof since its just a own interpretation during a historical time. Many people perceived different people as the same, when they in fact where totally different people. But this reinforces the theory about Bosniaks having more influence from Croats then Serbs since Bosniaks where Catholics and their ruler used the title Ban instead of the Serbian Zupan.

It is commonly known that Bosniaks derived from slavic speaking tribes that migrated to Balkan around 600's. Of course, they most likely have elements of Illyrian blood in them, everybody in Balkan have that. As we all know, we have to little information about Illyrians. Some bosniaks say "we have adopted the Slavic language", of course some may have done it, but you can not prove it. Serbs and Croats can also come with these statements, since sources only say that Slavic-speaking tribes poured into the area, sources do not tell about what happened to the indigenous inhabitants, there you must use logical thinking. The mayby got assimilated or mayby had to flee to the south, no body know. What remains, is the linguistic and cultural part. The Bosniak culture is very similar to slavic, and the language, well its slavic right through.

One thing to consider, we can take Romanian for example. Romanian is a Latin language, but they have preserved alot of substratum words that belong to palobalkan language, wich testifies that proto-romanians before they adopted latin may have been another people who simply adopted the Latin language. So my question for you is, why cant we see anything of this in the Bosniak language? As i see it, they base their whole theory on the word "Bosna" wich have been proposed to be Illyrian. Observe that one word is not enough as a proof, since if that was the case, it would be very clear that Albanians are illyrians, but thats not the case right? Example, albanoi comes from a tribe that lived in central Albania with the city Albanopolis as its seat. People can basically just move there and adopt the word, wich slavs may have done in Bosnia. However, if there would be ancient words or in the culture, or in the linguistic part that could back up the word "bosna", well then it would be more credible. But like now, when they only have one word, its only far-fetched theories.

Unfortunately we have to few sources regarding names of Slavic tribes. Actually, concretely Croat and Serb are just names of two tribes, the rest have only been mentioned as a whole, Sclaveni and Antes. Sclaveni (actually lots of different tribes, but was called during the Byzantine Empire for scleveni) are those who invaded and stabilized them self in Illyria and Greece first, ie including Croatia and Bosnia. Antes went more to the north and later Croats and Serbs came. This led to many other Slavic tribes adopted the Serbian and Croatian identity. So actually, there are no sources of individual tribes of 600's, but only the Slavs as a whole, in addition to Serbs and Croats only. It was recently that small Slavic kingdoms were created around the Balkans. For example, two slavic tribes are mentioned for doing raids in Greece in 700's. Proto-Bosniaks are just as commonly known, descendants of these so-called sclaveni or rather large Slavic Migration Period, which came with the first wave of Slavs(various Slavic tribes). Then there are certainly elements of the second wave, ie Croats and Serbs. But they have with no doubt elements of the natives to, i dont doubt that, all people in Balkan have that. But only because you have elements, it does not give you the right to call yourself Illyrian descendant, since they dont speak the language and can not prove that they have adopted the language they speak today. But if they however would be able to prove otherwise, well then it would be another story.

[dralos]

You're obviously referring to Serbian war crimes, and you're saying by siding with the Serbs, you were supporting their crimes. And since you're saying we should kill people who sided with Serbs, you're saying that the Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians are innocent.
thats not true i was talking about serbian crimes,albanian crimes did happen too but were minimal we didnt ethnic cleanse whole villages,you know

but werent some of your ancesters serbs

[Partizan]

serbs harmed my country million times more then nato harmed your country,you keep crying about usa,while they invested in turkey be happy and shut it
i think you're forgetting how bad turkey was a few years ago till western powers invested in it:thumb001:

It's another topic however Western powers are just exploiting Turkey's resources and supporting Kurds in Iraq&Syria.We were way better and self-sufficient before "Marshall plan" and such stuff.

BTW you Kosovars remind me Kurds,especially about foreign supported seperatism :rolleyes:

[Minesweeper]

all bosniaks,alboz,croats who sided with serbs should die,burn them alive,we in kosova have captured alot of this bastards,most were offc half serb or had some serbian connection.but they know all are getting what they deserve extreme pain and after that some more pain then even some more and we should their families let them watch while they burn:D

Oh really?

Tell me, would you be ready to personally cause pain, suffering and eventually kill? Or you just support it from safety of Western Europe while somebody else is doing the dirty work?

[Insuperable]

Alija Izetbegovic , a holder of true Euro values

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0aZKcB1nCc

[Methmatician]

thats not true i was talking about serbian crimes,albanian crimes did happen too but were minimal we didnt ethnic cleanse whole villages,you know

I guess that's why Kosovo Serbs pretty much only live in the North now :rolleyes: Btw, I have only seen Albanians fake massacres, so you're not one to talk when it comes to crimes; Albanians killed their own to create a reason to attack Serbs. It sounds like one of those 9/11 conspiracies, but in this case, it's true.


but werent some of your ancesters serbs

Yes. I think I already told you this; one of my ancestors, 250-300 years ago, was a Slav (most likely Serb) living in Northern Albania, that's why I have 'Albania' written in my ancestry section.

[dralos]

I guess that's why Kosovo Serbs pretty much only live in the North now :rolleyes: Btw, I have only seen Albanians fake massacres, so you're not one to talk when it comes to crimes; Albanians killed their own to create a reason to attack Serbs. It sounds like one of those 9/11 conspiracies, but in this case, it's true.



Yes. I think I already told you this; one of my ancestors, 250-300 years ago, was a Slav (most likely Serb) living in Northern Albania, that's why I have 'Albania' written in my ancestry section.
so i should listen to a serb:D

[Ushtari]

I guess that's why Kosovo Serbs pretty much only live in the North now :rolleyes: Btw, I have only seen Albanians fake massacres, so you're not one to talk when it comes to crimes; Albanians killed their own to create a reason to attack Serbs. It sounds like one of those 9/11 conspiracies, but in this case, it's true.
https://static.flashback.org/img/smilies2/whoco5.gif

Iv come across retards, then i meet you.

[Methmatician]

so i should listen to a serb:D

Would you call yourself a Serb if you found out your great-grandfather was a Serb? It was almost 300 years ago, why would I identify as a Serb today? :picard2:

[Methmatician]

Iv come across retards, then i meet you.

I can already tell why you're not taken seriously; you act like a kid.

[dralos]

Would you call yourself a Serb if you found out your great-grandfather was a Serb? It was almost 300 years ago, why would I identify as a Serb today? :picard2:
yeah right 300years ago:D
you still protect them bcs of this wich is supposed to be 300yars ago:D
once a chetnik always a chetnik

[Methmatician]

yeah right 300years ago:D
you still protect them bcs of this wich is supposed to be 300yars ago:D
once a chetnik always a chetnik

I don't protect them because one of my ancestors could have been a Serb. I protect them (in this case) because you're saying Serbs, as a people, cannot ever be innocent because of the actions of a few who were fed propaganda by state TV, like Bosniaks and Croats were during the early 90's.

[Hurrem sultana]

lol medvjed you are no bosniak

[Minesweeper]

Dralos is a proven passive-aggressive infant provocateur. Provoking petty conflicts is the main reason of his existence on this forum.

You should not take his insults seriously.

[Methmatician]

lol medvjed you are no bosniak

Is it because I'm not dressed like this?
http://www.enovosti.info/sajt/doc/Image/novosti_sr/drustvo/32544_vest_vehabije.jpg

[dralos]

I don't protect them because one of my ancestors could have been a Serb. I protect them (in this case) because you're saying Serbs, as a people, cannot ever be innocent because of the actions of a few who were fed propaganda by state TV, like Bosniaks and Croats were during the early 90's.
where did i accusse the whole serbian population,you're using your serbian propaganda skillz again,i never said something like that
i was talking about the criminals not civilains,get your facts straight

[Hurrem sultana]

no but because all bosniaks would be ashamed if they knew they had serb ancestors,and notv talk about it

[dralos]

no but because all bosniaks would be ashamed if they knew they had serb ancestors,and notv talk about it
thats why i asked him that,to let you guys see that his an undercover serb:D

[Insuperable]

I don't protect them because one of my ancestors could have been a Serb. I protect them (in this case) because you're saying Serbs, as a people, cannot ever be innocent because of the actions of a few who were fed propaganda by state TV, like Bosniaks and Croats were during the early 90's.

What propaganda?

[Methmatician]

where did i accusse the whole serbian population,you're using your serbian propaganda skillz again,i never said something like that
i was talking about the criminals not civilains,get your facts straight

You said:

all bosniaks,alboz,croats who sided with serbs should die,burn them alive. but they know all are getting what they deserve extreme pain and after that some more pain then even some more and we should their families let them watch while they burn:D

No one was talking about Serbian war crimes, just Serbs in general. So you were referring to the Serb nation (people). If I said 'all those that sided with Albanians should be burned alive' in a thread that wasn't talking about war, would you assume I'm talking about the Kosovo war, or about Albanians in general?

[Insuperable]

no but because all bosniaks would be ashamed if they knew they had serb ancestors,and notv talk about it

These Australian Bosniaks are a little bit strange. Gospodine is a Yugoslav remember than Bosniak:laugh:

[dralos]

You said:


No one was talking about Serbian war crimes, just Serbs in general. So you were referring to the Serb nation (people). If I said 'all those that sided with Albanians should be burned alive' in a thread that wasn't talking about war, would you assume I'm talking about the Kosovo war, or about Albanians in general?
if i was smart i would assume the kosovo war but if i was a propagandist the second

[Methmatician]

What propaganda?

The crap about Croats were drinking blood of enemy soldiers, that Bosniaks wanted to create an Islamic Caliphate, that Serbs were eating babies and raping them, etc.

[Cannabis Sativa]

Pontid+Dinarid. Mentor of Islamists/Neo-Ottomanists in Europe. If i had enough possibilities, i would fight with Serbs against this balija. Muzzies in our country adore this Abdullah Öcalan type of Yugoslavia.

[dralos]

Pontid+Dinarid. Mentor of Islamists/Neo-Ottomanists in Europe. If i had enough possibilities, i would fight with Serbs against this balija. Muzzies in our country adore this Abdullah Öcalan type of Yugoslavia.
so you would fight with serbian criminal fighters(i used fighters now so medvjed doesnt get confused:D) and killing innonencent civilians and commit several massacres just bcs he's muslim,pathetic and retarded

[Mraz]

Mh so it's true, people on Forums are strange :D

[dralos]

Mh so it's true, people on Forums are strange :D
what do you mean:D

[Cannabis Sativa]

so you would fight with serbian criminal fighters(i used fighters now so medvjed doesnt get confused:D) and killing innonencent civilians and commit several massacres just bcs he's muslim,pathetic and retarded

I would not want an Islamic Republic in the middle of Balkans and relatively would not ignore Muslim War crimes such as you classified as arsoning, cutting etc...

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

http://de-construct.net/?p=7504

[dralos]

I would not want an Islamic Republic in the middle of Balkans and relatively would not ignore Muslim War crimes such as you classified as arsoning, cutting etc...

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

http://de-construct.net/?p=7504
those dont compare with serbian terror,better an islamic republic then an evil empire like servia

[Mraz]

what do you mean:D

I'm talking about that Cannabis guy.

[Cannabis Sativa]

those dont compare with serbian terror,better an islamic republic then an evil empire like servia

I'd welcome an Islamic Republic in Antartica with the condition of sending all these Balija(including a million in my country) over there. Serbian terror for what? For resisting against Kosovar separatists?

[dralos]

I'd welcome an Islamic Republic in Antartica with the condition of sending all these Balija(including a million in my country) over there. Serbian terror for what? For resisting against Kosovar separatists?
we want to separte bcs we were being oppresed you fool,we didnt want to separate just for the fun of it,just like the ottomans oppresed my countrymen and we separated from them,its the same with the serbs

[Cannabis Sativa]

we want to separte bcs we were being oppresed you fool,we didnt want to separate just for the fun of it,just like the ottomans oppresed my countrymen and we separated from them,its the same with the serbs

Listen Albo, actually you were the cannibal pets of Ottoman Empire and Sultan, along with Bosniaks you were enjoying the benefits of empire while others were being supressed under Ottoman Empire including the Turkmens. I do not think Ottomans slaughtered Albanians or Bosniaks under a command of Muslim Croat General but 200k of Turkmens and same amount of Serbs(Cela Kula). So, please stop yelling while you had thousand types of priviledges in that empire.

[dralos]

Listen Albo, actually you were the cannibal pets of Ottoman Empire and Sultan, along with Bosniaks you were enjoying the benefits of empire while others were being supressed under Ottoman Empire including the Turkmens. I do not think Ottomans slaughtered Albanians or Bosniaks under a command of Muslim Croat General but 200k of Turkmens and same amount of Serbs(Cela Kula). So, please stop yelling while you had thousand types of priviledges in that empire.
yeah we enjoyed everything,thats why schools in albanian were forbidden and you forced us to change our religion bcs we were catholics and roman church wasnt under ottoman command,while orthodox churches were so orthodox were free,thats why you have many orthodox albanians in southalbania,while the only catholics are the ones who lived during ottomans in the mountains far away from cities and ottoman control
and thats why albanian inhabited parts were poorest during ottoman reign
so plz explain me all of this

[Archduke]

Turk supporting Serbia WTF

[dralos]

Turk supporting Serbia WTF
i know:D

[Archduke]

It is true what one wise Bulgarians said - Serbs are Turks with different faith

[dralos]

It is true what one wise Bulgarians said - Serbs are Turks with different faith
i've heard this too

[Insuperable]

Listen Albo, actually you were the cannibal pets of Ottoman Empire and Sultan, along with Bosniaks you were enjoying the benefits of empire while others were being supressed under Ottoman Empire including the Turkmens. I do not think Ottomans slaughtered Albanians or Bosniaks under a command of Muslim Croat General but 200k of Turkmens and same amount of Serbs(Cela Kula). So, please stop yelling while you had thousand types of priviledges in that empire.

Wut?

[Cannabis Sativa]

yeah we enjoyed everything,thats why schools in albanian were forbidden and you forced us to change our religion bcs we were catholics and roman church wasnt under ottoman command,while orthodox churches were so orthodox were free,thats why you have many orthodox albanians in southalbania,while the only catholics are the ones who lived during ottomans in the mountains far away from cities and ottoman control
and thats why albanian inhabited parts were poorest during ottoman reign
so plz explain me all of this

This will be off topic but so what, Ottomans completely banned my belief system for over 400 years despite we were ethnic Turks and my forefathers were living in mountains too. Köprülü Dynasty and some other hundred viziers of Ottoman Empire were of Albo and Balija origin. Anatolia were quite poor comparing to Balkan parts of Empire. Do you know how Albanians gained land in Kosovo? You should thank'em for Albanian expeditions of Ottoman Empire to Kosovo.

[dralos]

This will be off topic but so what, Ottomans completely banned my belief system for over 400 years despite we were ethnic Turks and my forefathers were living in mountains too. Köprülü Dynasty and some other hundred viziers of Ottoman Empire were of Albo and Balija origin. Anatolia were quite poor comparing to Balkan parts of Empire. Do you know how Albanians gained land in Kosovo? You should thank'em for Albanian expeditions of Ottoman Empire to Kosovo.
ottomans didnt do anything for albanians,we were there already its illyrian land
and why were albanian regions the poorest of all balkan plz explain?

[Boiorix]

It is true what one wise Bulgarians said - Serbs are Turks with different faith

Said by Bulgarian and confirmed by Shiptar :picard2: :D Comedy.

[Cannabis Sativa]

Wut?

Yes, 16th century form of Ustasha, Well-digger Murad Pasha who was a Croat from Herzegovina. After some tens of thousand killings they used to throw his victims' heads into the wells. Remind me of Jasenovac.

[Minesweeper]

Said by Bulgarian and confirmed by Shiptar :picard2: :D Comedy.

Let the Untermenschen enjoy their Serbophobic feast.

Isn't it sad, to have Serbophobia as the essence of national identity and to have to prove how European you are by hating Turks more than average German skinhead. :picard2:

[Insuperable]

Yes, 16th century form of Ustasha, Well-digger Murad Pasha who was a Croat from Herzegovina. After some tens of thousand killings they used to throw his victims' heads into the wells. Remind me of Jasenovac.

Wow wikipedia is a great source. :thumb001:
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Kuyucu%20Murad%20Pasha
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Kuyucu_Murad_Pasha
However, you do realize that I can go to wikipedia and change words as we speak and some source do say that it is not certain 100% whether he was Serbian ( or Croat or whatever ) or Turk?

[Partizan]

Wow wikipedia is a great source. :thumb001:
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Kuyucu%20Murad%20Pasha
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Kuyucu_Murad_Pasha
However, you do realize that I can go to wikipedia and change words as we speak and some source do say that it is not certain 100% whether he was Serbian ( or Croat or whatever ) or Turk?

I've read he was a Croatian in various sources in Turkish as well.It's impossible to be Turkish for him since he was a Jannisarry at beginning.

However I can't blame today's Croats for what he has done.Even I can't blame Ottomans with 21.th century's nationalism,since they were just suppressing a rebellion,for an empire who riots is a rebel and should get punishment regardless of ethnicity.Many European empires in this age suppressed rebellions in their terrorities even worse.

[Cannabis Sativa]

Wow wikipedia is a great source. :thumb001:
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Kuyucu%20Murad%20Pasha
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Kuyucu_Murad_Pasha
However, you do realize that I can go to wikipedia and change words as we speak and some source do say that it is not certain 100% whether he was Serbian ( or Croat or whatever ) or Turk?

Kuyucu was of Croat origin, a Catholic convert. He was from Herzegovina as well. Most Armenian and Turkish sources are able to confirm it. Whatever it is, he was a hired killer of Sultan. But Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic was of Serb origin.

[Partizan]

These Australian Bosniaks are a little bit strange. Gospodine is a Yugoslav remember than Bosniak:laugh:

Gospodine is the best Yugo in this forum :thumbs

[Insuperable]

I've read he was a Croatian in various sources in Turkish as well.It's impossible to be Turkish for him since he was a Jannisarry at beginning.

However I can't blame today's Croats for what he has done.Even I can't blame Ottomans with 21.th century's nationalism,since they were just suppressing a rebellion,for an empire who riots is a rebel and should get punishment regardless of ethnicity.Many European empires in this age suppressed rebellions in their terrorities even worse.


Kuyucu was of Croat origin, a Catholic convert. He was from Herzegovina as well. Most Armenian and Turkish sources are able to confirm it. Whatever it is, he was a hired killer of Sultan. But Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic was of Serb origin.

Whatever he was he was not Croat from the moment he converted, took foreign name and started working for Sultan.
...but you can not blame today's Croats for what he had done..:picard1:
First of all nobody cares what you think
Secondly you were no angels. You had an empire on this lands and what do you think how you got it? You do realize people were at war against you?
Plus whatever he has done he has done under the command of Sultan.


Gospodine is the best Yugo in this forum :thumbs

And the only one it seems:laugh:
( I know what you mean and who cares what some Turk thinks )

[Saruman]

Daughter has Aryan features indeed (they happen frequently in Croatia, which I've visited more than once)...

Slavic influence is minimal to nonexistent.

They probably happen even more frequently in Central-Western, SW Serbia too, that's not according to me only but also Czekanowski and Gunther (3rd Reich chief anthropologist)... As for "us" not looking Slavic... About Aryan types, they can be either Slavic or Illyrian, Illyrians would have been Hallstat Nordid, and I've seen such people (more in Croats and in areas of Bosnia, especially Croats often looked Germanic even) but certainly especially among Serbs Illyrian Nordid is not the norm but rather eastern inspired types. Other component of Slavic influences is Baltoid, and those are (abundantly) present in S.Slavs, very commonly mixed with other types, for ex. this guy from Bosnia was classified as Borreby which would imply non-Slavic but he looks rather eastern (Baltoid) here.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ShWqFFo5sD0/SCP2ntl7sqI/AAAAAAAABY8/_Sqo5RXol9c/s400/Hamza+Alic+Peking+2008+Photo+by+Mirza+Subasic.jpg

While this one looks very eastern.
http://www.lupamag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Semir-Osmanagic.jpg

http://www.semirosmanagic.com/ba/images/semir_osmanagic.jpg

[Dilberth]

About Aryan types, they can be either Slavic or Illyrian, Illyrians would have been Hallstat Nordid, and I've seen such people (more in Croats and in areas of Bosnia, especially Croats often looked Germanic even)

I didn't saw them:confused:
Most Nordids here are East Nordids I believe.

[Saruman]

I didn't saw them:confused:
Most Nordids here are East Nordids I believe.

Possibly but I did encounter some in N.Croatia, and some from Bosnia, and a few looked very Germanic, so I guess they might retain ancient Illyrian or the look of some Germanic tribes that passed by.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Whatever he was he was not Croat from the moment he converted, took foreign name and started working for Sultan.
...but you can not blame today's Croats for what he had done..:picard1:
First of all nobody cares what you think
Secondly you were no angels. You had an empire on this lands and what do you think how you got it? You do realize people were at war against you?
Plus whatever he has done he has done under the command of Sultan.


How the fuck does ethnicity change with allegiance?

[Sorab]

Possibly but I did encounter some in N.Croatia, and some from Bosnia, and a few looked very Germanic, so I guess they might retain ancient Illyrian or the look of some Germanic tribes that passed by.
Nordoids and Balto-CM are also common in areas of southeastern Serbia among
Timočani .
from Lebzelter
in the northern Croatian areas, we find a fairly closed
dolichoiden small type, with light eyes, blond hair with red component
and snub nose, which I liked called "Zagorjanertypus." He finds himself
often in the Slovenians, also in the areas between the Morava and Timok (southeastern Serbia), where
once an independent Slavic tribe that lived there-Timočani. There is much
data that he is also present in the Old Slavonic tribes of the Vardar region.
III. In Herzegovina, Montenegro, in the mountains of Užice (western Serbia) and adjoining areas, scattered individually all over Yugoslavia is an in
tall, brachykephaler, athletic type, with brown to dark blond
Hair, gray, greenish, rarely light brown eyes and wide face, the
I tentatively called "light southern type" refer to like it .
by Viktor Lebzelter
Its translated from German so some errors are present

this should be mentioned also
"Pored njih još su zastupljene: nordijska u velikom dijelu Slovenije i Južne Srbije, , laponoidno-alpinska u Bačkoj i Banatu, ali i po čitavoj Jugoslaviji ."
"Besides them are still present: a large Nordic part of Slovenia and Southern Serbia, laponoid-alpine in Backa and Banat(northern Serbia), but also all over Yugoslavia."
quote from Vladimir Dvornikovic Croatian philosopher and Etno-psychologists

[Dilberth]

Possibly but I did encounter some in N.Croatia, and some from Bosnia, and a few looked very Germanic, so I guess they might retain ancient Illyrian or the look of some Germanic tribes that passed by.

Those people maybe had some German ancestry?
As for slavic look,most frequent phenotype of Slovenia and North-Western Croatia is Noric,which might be dinarized Slavic type.

[Saruman]

Those people maybe had some German ancestry?

It's possible especially for Croats. For ex. when I first saw your singer at last (or was it penultimate?) Eurosong I was intrigued by her Germanics vibes, to find out later she is indeed half-German.

[Rastko]

Croats from Central Bosnia have the biggest Germanic vibe after Slovenians among South Slavs

[Saruman]

Croats from Central Bosnia have the biggest Germanic vibe after Slovenians among South Slavs

I'll agree, and as I personally knew a number of such people.

[Hurrem sultana]

http://static.klix.ba/media/images/vijesti/b_120822089.jpg

[Dilberth]

It's possible especially for Croats. For ex. when I first saw your singer at last (or was it penultimate?) Eurosong I was intrigued by her Germanics vibes, to find out later she is indeed half-German.

Daria Kinzer is half Croat.Those types you are talking about do exist,but they aren't norm and most Nordids,Norics etc. are of slavic origin.


Croats from Central Bosnia have the biggest Germanic vibe after Slovenians among South Slavs

Could you give some example,they look rather slavic to me?

[Insuperable]

May I ask why do some of you mention Illyrian Nordid?

[Sorab]

May I ask why do some of you mention Illyrian Nordid?
Why not... Illyrians were Indo-Europeans and of similar racial stock as other branches .You are probably affected by the false image of typical Albanian as Illyrian .

[Saruman]

May I ask why do some of you mention Illyrian Nordid?

Ancient Illyrians were IE and as such had plenty of Nordids, Illyrian Nordid should have been similar to Hallstat Nordids.

[Insuperable]

Ancient Illyrians were IE and as such had plenty of Nordids, Illyrian Nordid should have been similar to Hallstat Nordids.

And who were this Illyrians? On what basis do we have such conclusions? Where did this Nordids disappear?
I assume that there was tons of them since we can say Illyrian Nordis which is similar to Haalstatt

[Saruman]

And who were this Illyrians? On what basis do we have such conclusions?

On the basis of old Illyrian skulls that were found at some places, for ex. Glasinac.

[Insuperable]

On the basis of old Illyrian skulls that were found at some places, for ex. Glasinac.

Slavs came on these areas starting in the 5th or the 6th century.
Illyrians, Greeks are Balkan natives (and so are possibly Thracians and others) and they probably shared the same genetics just like modern Albanians and Greeks do share it. Seems unlikely that based on them we call say Illyrian Nordid.
In your case I am simply puzzed where have this Haalstatts left? Slavs killed them?

[Sorab]

Genetic tests are not trustworthy as anthropological evidence presented in Glasinac as Saruman mentioned .Besides Illyrians were Romanized and Hellenized to an extent over time .

[Insuperable]

Genetic tests are not trustworthy as anthropological evidence presented in Glasinac as Saruman mentioned .Besides Illyrians were Romanized and Hellenized to an extent over time .

http://www.antropoloskodrustvosrbije.com/PDF/izdanje_20/srpski/07s.pdf

[Sorab]

http://www.antropoloskodrustvosrbije.com/PDF/izdanje_20/srpski/07s.pdf
Forget them this guy is much greater authority .He elaborates origin of Paleo-Europeans in Balkans .
ENhxrKNamtU
Dont confuse Srboljub Zivanovic with some Deretics and crew .

[Insuperable]

Većina vas se smatra potomcima Ilira. Govorite da su Iliri izgledali toliko Nordijski da postoji tzv Nordijski Ilirski tip i to Haalstattski. Kada bi prosječan Šved prošetao tim krajevima vidio bi ljude koji nemaju veze s time osim tu i tamo. Zar nije bolje onda šutiti nego se pitati di su nestali ti Nordidi?

[Sorab]

Većina vas se smatra potomcima Ilira. Govorite da su Iliri izgledali toliko Nordijski da postoji tzv Nordijski Ilirski tip i to Haalstattski. Kada bi prosječan Šved prošetao tim krajevima vidio bi ljude koji nemaju veze s time osim tu i tamo. Zar nije bolje onda šutiti nego se pitati di su nestali ti Nordidi?
Cist Nordid je svugde manjinski fenotip ali nordijski uticaj je itekako prisutan medju juznim Slovenima .
Svi danasnji stanovnici ove regije ne samo Srbi i Hrvati itd izuzev Albanaca (dosljaka sa Kavkaza ) su u manjoj ili vecoj meri potomci pra evropskog stanovnistva ovog dela Evrope .

[Insuperable]

Cist Nordid je svugde retkost ali nordijski uticaj je itekako prisutan medju juznim Slovenima .
Svi danasnji stanovnici ove regije ne samo Srbi i Hrvati itd izuzev Albanaca (dosljaka sa Kavkaza ) su u manjoj ili vecoj meri potomci pra evropskog stanovnistva ovog dela Evrope .

Potomci sa jačim neolitičkim utjecajem za razliku od sjevernjaka koji imaju također krcato paleolitičkih haplogrupa.
I haplogrupa i jest najstarija i jedina koja je nastala u Europi ali naša I2a1b je nastala na prostoru Ukrajine i došla je ovdje za vrijeme Slavenske ekspanzije tako da mi sa Ilirima nemamo ništa.

[Sorab]

Please no insults .You Albanians were indigenous in Caucasus .
YBtmcx2HiC8

[Saruman]

Većina vas se smatra potomcima Ilira. Govorite da su Iliri izgledali toliko Nordijski da postoji tzv Nordijski Ilirski tip i to Haalstattski. Kada bi prosječan Šved prošetao tim krajevima vidio bi ljude koji nemaju veze s time osim tu i tamo. Zar nije bolje onda šutiti nego se pitati di su nestali ti Nordidi?

Here, of some known people, Bosnian footballer Muhamed Konjic, he's longheaded, blue eyes, hair I believe it's dark blonde.

http://www.afterfoot.fr/sites/afterfoot.fr/files/styles/portrait_220px/public/node/joueurs/konjic-muhamed-3315/xmuhamed-konjic-12211-12211.jpg.pagespeed.ic.FkXcK-KTVO.jpg

http://www.nfsbih.net/atim/mkon.jpg

He has strong Balto-CM influence but also strong Nordoid and those Nordoid elements are similar to this Hallstat Nordid variant.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troe291b.jpg

[Sorab]

Potomci sa jakim neolitičkim utjecajem za razliku od sjevernjaka koji imaju također krcato paleolitičkih haplogrupa.
I haplogrupa i jest najstarija i jedina koja je nastala u Europi ali naša I2a1b je nastala na prostoru Ukrajine i došla je ovdje za vrijeme Slavenske ekspanzije tako da mi sa Ilirima nemamo ništa.
I dont trust those researches but this is what Anatole Klyosov writes

There is no justification in the results of a
"Ukrainian refuge" for the R1a1 ancient population
allegedly 15,000 years ago; instead, evidence has been
obtained that the oldest R1a1 lived circa 20,000 years
before the present (ybp) in South Siberia. There are two
sets of data and these provide ages of 21,000±3,000 ybp
and 19,625±2,800 ybp, calculated by two different
methods, and 11,650±1,550 years ago appeared in the
Balkans (Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia).
http://www.jogg.info/52/files/Klyosov2.pdf
heres another video
GDM02tDCuoQ

[Dilberth]

Većina vas se smatra potomcima Ilira. Govorite da su Iliri izgledali toliko Nordijski da postoji tzv Nordijski Ilirski tip i to Haalstattski. Kada bi prosječan Šved prošetao tim krajevima vidio bi ljude koji nemaju veze s time osim tu i tamo. Zar nije bolje onda šutiti nego se pitati di su nestali ti Nordidi?

Rather Illyrian looking Nordid:

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/72977.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/2f/fullj.d2ab137f4ecc5e804580acb923a5d200/d2ab137f4ecc5e804580acb923a5d200-getty-511710906.jpg

[Insuperable]

I dont trust those researches but this what Anatolij Kljosov writes

There is no justification in the results of a
"Ukrainian refuge" for the R1a1 ancient population
allegedly 15,000 years ago; instead, evidence has been
obtained that the oldest R1a1 lived circa 20,000 years
before the present (ybp) in South Siberia. There are two
sets of data and these provide ages of 21,000±3,000 ybp
and 19,625±2,800 ybp, calculated by two different
methods, and 11,650±1,550 years ago appeared in the
Balkans (Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia).

Ne znam kakve veze to ima sa tim što sam ja rekao jer se radi o tisućama godina.

Haplogrupa I je najvjerojatnije nastala na prostorima današnje Hrvatske, Bosne... jer su se za vrijeme ledenoga doba narodi skupili k toplijima krajevima. To je model Underhilla. Na području juga Ukrajine su se nalazili R1a-ovci and na području Španjolske R1b-ovci koji su svi težili k toplim krajevima. Nakon prolaska ledenoga doba dolazi do širenja stanovništva. I2 je nastala tj odvojila se od I isto na području Balkana prije sedamnaest tisuća godina ali njezin klad koji je specifičan za ove narode je nastao prije dvije i pol tisuće godina na području Ukrajine te se proširio ovamo sa Slavenima.
Ti dakle govoriš o vremenu prije mnogo tisuća godina, daleko prije bilo kojega etniciteta

[Boiorix]

I don't really know why are people so obsessed with Nordids anyway. And about Iliryans, hm? I'm supporter of theory that there wasn't Slavic migration to Balkan and that South Slavs are indigenous on this area.

[dralos]

I don't really know why are people so obsessed with Nordids anyway. And about Iliryans, hm? I'm supporter of theory that there wasn't Slavic migration to Balkan and that South Slavs are indigenous on this area.
dna results say otherwise

[Hurrem sultana]

Rather Illyrian looking Nordid:

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/72977.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/2f/fullj.d2ab137f4ecc5e804580acb923a5d200/d2ab137f4ecc5e804580acb923a5d200-getty-511710906.jpg



very cute :D

[dralos]

lol that dude looks keltic nordid not illyrian nordid:D this doesnt even excist

[Sorab]

Dralos are you high .If so this will be hard to read
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[Sultan Suleiman]

Please no insults .You Albanians were indigenous in Caucasus .
YBtmcx2HiC8

And I thought we were on brink of having a serious discussion without silly myths of Goth Croats of Bosnia and Caucasus Albanians :rolleyes:

[Sultan Suleiman]

I don't really know why are people so obsessed with Nordids anyway. And about Iliryans, hm? I'm supporter of theory that there wasn't Slavic migration to Balkan and that South Slavs are indigenous on this area.

Oh God the lolz... My chest hurts so much! :D :lol:

[Sultan Suleiman]

Rather Illyrian looking Nordid:

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/72977.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/2f/fullj.d2ab137f4ecc5e804580acb923a5d200/d2ab137f4ecc5e804580acb923a5d200-getty-511710906.jpg

Who is that guy (and where does he come from)?

[Dengizik]

Who is that guy (and where does he come from)?

Ivan Strinic - Croatian footballer

[Sultan Suleiman]

Ivan Strinic - Croatian footballer

I wondered why he struck me so close to Balkans. :D