Greeks closer to Kurds or Germans ...

[Su]

Regarding their culture, life style, look etc ?

Please discuss.

[Pallantides]

I have a feeling this will turn into a major shitstorm:D

[Linet]

Troll :zombie00: in the horizon :speechless-smiley-0

[Su]

Troll :zombie00: in the horizon :speechless-smiley-0

Please vote and explain your decision.

[Sophie]

Turks of course :D


jk

[Su]

Just dont forget to vote :P

[Partizan]

Troll :zombie00: in the horizon :speechless-smiley-0

Heh,so the lesson:
Greeks shall not meddle into Turkish-Kurdish affairs...

Have you ever seen me while supporting Slavic Macedonians?(FYROMians/Vardarskans etc. you'd call)...It's none of my job :)

[Su]

So ?

[Pecheneg]

no offense sometimesyes, but i think it's an unnecessary thread :)
don't we have enough shitstorms?
I want to focus on something else instead of never-ends-fights in this forum.

[ChildOfTheJin]

For culture it would be Definetely Kurds. And history, Greece was influenced by Kurdish Mede empire and kurdistan was ruled by Greeks for some years.

I don't know much about germans though do my vote goes to kurds

[Partizan]

no offense sometimesyes, but i think it's an unnecessary thread :)
don't we have enough shitstorms?

I agree but...Dude,someone really deserved it :) And I think,if this guy will go on this kind of posts,even moderate Turks will get chauvinistic.

[Su]

no offense sometimesyes, but i think it's an unnecessary thread :)
don't we have enough shitstorms?
I want to focus on something else instead of never-ends-fights in this forum.

I was confused because 2 kurdish members making indirectly claims kurds are Europeans. So I believe this thread is very handy to clear out questions.

Anyway a kindly reminder:


Tell me, why do Turks have a forum?

Kurdish culture is similar to those in the BALKANS WHICH IS IN EUROPE.

Btw, this was supposed to be a opinion thread. Why has this trend into an argument?

If you have nothing good to contribute then gtfo

[Su]

For culture it would be Definetely Kurds. And history, Greece was influenced by Kurdish Mede empire and kurdistan was ruled by Greeks for some years.

I don't know much about germans though do my vote goes to kurds

Thanks for the opinion.


Some more votes please, so far we got just 5 votes and all are for Kurds.

Based on the current poll Greeks are closer to Kurds than Germans.

[Sikeliot]

Kurds over Germans, but they are not close at all to either.

[Insuperable]

Why hide poll results?

[ChildOfTheJin]

I was confused because 2 kurdish members making indirectly claims kurds are Europeans. So I believe this thread is very handy to clear out questions.

Anyway a kindly reminder:

I think the Kurdish dance has same origins as those in the Balkans. I never claimed Kurds are European btw.

[Sikeliot]

I don't think any Southeast Europeans would be closer to Germans than to Kurds, to be fair. I'd have said the same thing had the thread been asking about Bulgarians, Albanians, Cypriots, Sicilians etc. None of them closer to Germans than to Kurds.

[Su]

Why hide poll results?

Because then people just vote and wont post any comments, now we're getting comments.

[Sophie]

Why hide poll results?

Because then we'd know all the voters were Turks. ;)

[ChildOfTheJin]

Kurds over Germans, but they are not close at all to either.

I agree, the only similar thing would be the dance and indo euro language ands that's about it

[Sikeliot]

I agree, the only similar thing would be the dance and indo euro language ands that's about it

Well, Kurds have some similarities to the Balkans in general, so it makes sense.

[Su]

Because then we'd know all the voters were Turks. ;)

What is your opinion ?

Are Greeks closer to Kurds or rather Germans?

[Partizan]

I don't think any Southeast Europeans would be closer to Germans than to Kurds, to be fair. I'd have said the same thing had the thread been asking about Bulgarians, Albanians, Cypriots, Sicilians etc. None of them closer to Germans than to Kurds.

Come on dude...Kurds are really alien to all of them,to Greeks too...

But I just voted Kurds for trolling,since I got enough angry from unnecesarry Greek support for Kurds.People shouldn't meddle up into things which they don't know.

[ChildOfTheJin]

Off topic but

Sometimesyes is that u in ur profile pic?

[Yalquzaq]

Kurdish Mede empire



:picard2:

Kurds were and still are crawling in caves, "Kurdish Mede empire"? :D

[Sikeliot]

Come on dude...Kurds are really alien to all of them,also Greeks too...

But I just voted Kurds for trolling,since I got enough angry from unnecesarry Greek support for Kurds.People shouldn't meddle up into things which they don't know.

I feel equidistant from Kurds as from Germans myself, but at least I could pass as a Kurd phenotypically. So that's the frame of mind I am looking at it when I say I'd pick Kurds over Germans for any Southeast European group.

[Dengizik]

Because then we'd know all the voters were Turks. ;)

And it changes what? :confused: That Germans actually more close to Greeks?

[Sikeliot]

I modeled my newest thread after this one, btw.

[Anatolian Eagle]

Neither.

[Partizan]

I think Bavarians are closer to all Balkanians than Kurds are.Also there are Germans in Balkans(i.e. Transylvanian Germans)...

But massive Greek support to Kurds made me vote otherwise :lol:

[Su]

:picard2:

Kurds were and still are crawling in caves, "Kurdish Mede empire"? :D

WHAT? What're you saying bro ! Puhhhlease:


Please be more specific what kind of ties Turks have with Europe. So just to avoid "crises" its better to look at how Turks continue trolling other people.

Kurdish language = Indo European

Europe = majority Indo European

Kurdish culture closer to European

Turkic is not.

historical contacts of Kurds with Europe always friendly

Turkish and European contacts?


genetically Turks slightly closer to Europe than Kurds, yet Israelis historically and genetically more closer than Turks still no Subforum.

^^

[Sikeliot]

I don't think any Balkanians (except maybe Slovenians and Croats) are close to Germans.

[Sophie]

Why don't you ask Greeks themselves who they feel closer to? It seems like this thread's purpose is simply to troll.

[ChildOfTheJin]

:picard2:

Kurds were and still are crawling in caves, "Kurdish Mede empire"? :D

Hurrians prove you wrong.

[Su]

Guy's this is not a porn thread, so it's not just for watching but also voting and giving an opinion :P

So many visiotr and just 10 votes.

Dont be shy :D

[Su]

Why don't you ask Greeks themselves who they feel closer to? It seems like this thread's purpose is simply to troll.

Why dont you still tell your opinion? Dont be ashamed of it, just tell us.

Greeks closer to Kurds or Germans.

[Sophie]

Why dont you still tell your opinion? Dont be ashamed of it, just tell us.

Greeks closer to Kurds or Germans.

I am not a Greek, so If vote in your poll it would only show my ignorance. But generally I don't think Greeks view themselves similar to either of these groups.

[Sikeliot]

I don't see why it makes sense to compare Greeks to two groups of people they have little to nothing to do with. It'd have made more sense if you had asked Serbs or Armenians, or something.

[ChildOfTheJin]

Well it's almost 2 in the morning in the UK, maybe there will be more replies a bit later from people who live in the UK

[jerney]

Greeks are European, Germans are European
Greeks are phenotypically European, Germans are phenotypically European
Greek culture is European, German culture is European

Kurds are not European
Kurds do not typically look European
Kurdish culture (afaik) is not European

Answer seems pretty simple to me.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Answer seems pretty simple to me.

To me too :)

How is my favorite Orthodox Turk doing?

[ChildOfTheJin]

Greeks are European, Germans are European
Greeks are phenotypically European, Germans are phenotypically European
Greek culture is European, German culture is European

Kurds are not European
Kurds do not typically look European
Kurdish culture (afaik) is not European

Answer seems pretty simple to me.

It doesn't really matter of they are European or not. Russians are also European, they would have many differences to Spanish people who are also European.

[jerney]

It doesn't really matter of they are European or not. Russians are also European, they would have many differences to Spanish people who are also European.

It does actually matter. I never said that Greeks are close to Germans in these regards, I simply said they are closer to Germans than to Kurds.

[Sikeliot]

I can't think of a single reason why a Southeast European (Maltese, South Italians, Greeks, etc.) would feel close to Swedes, Germans, Norwegians, Danes, Brits, etc. at all. Why would a Greek being European and a German being European mean they must have something in common, when Europe is a man-made concept?

[kabeiros]

Turks, who are they closer to, Mongols or Arabs?

[ChildOfTheJin]

Turks, who are they closer to, Mongols or Arabs?

Make a thread about it

[jerney]

I can't think of a single reason why a Southeast European (Maltese, South Italians, Greeks, etc.) would feel close to Swedes, Germans, Norwegians, Danes, Brits, etc. at all. Why would a Greek being European and a German being European mean they must have something in common, when Europe is a man-made concept?

Southern Italians don't suddenly become "Southeastern" because they have Greek influence. Italy is Italy and the whole of it is Southwestern Europe.

I never said they would feel close. Please tell me what exactly makes Greeks closer to Kurds than to Germans? Have you ever even encountered any Kurds in real life or do you just have an opinion on everything based upon what you read or see on the internet?

[ChildOfTheJin]

Southern Italians don't suddenly become "Southeastern" because they have Greek influence. Italy is Italy and the whole of it is Southwestern Europe.

I never said they would feel close. Please tell me what exactly makes Greeks closer to Kurds than to Germans? Have you ever even encountered any Kurds in real life or do you just have an opinion on everything based upon what you read or see on the internet?

Thing is, the only similarity between Germans and Greeks are that they are Europeans and they speak indo euro language

However with the Kurds, their culture can relate (for example, that traditional dances) they both speak indo euro language. They have lived under each others influences. So Greeks have more in common with Kurds than Germans.

[Insuperable]

Who is closer to Nigerians? Japanese or Koreans?

[Su]

Who is closer to Nigerians? Japanese or Koreans?

Please stay on topic.

[Sikeliot]

Southern Italians don't suddenly become "Southeastern" because they have Greek influence. Italy is Italy and the whole of it is Southwestern Europe.

I don't think the southernmost regions are properly classified as SW Europe.. if anything I'd just say they are "Southern". And northern Italy doesn't feel Southwestern either but Central European influenced.

But I was speaking on a genetic basis. I feel no affinity to Germans, for instance.

[kabeiros]

Why would a Greek being European and a German being European mean they must have something in common, when Europe is a man-made concept? Europe is a continent, not a man made concept (you probably meant the European Union).

[Su]

So can we get some more votes and also opinions ? Especially by male Greek users? Do they think they are closer to Kurds or rather Germans ?

[jerney]

I don't think the southernmost regions are properly classified as SW Europe.. if anything I'd just say they are "Southern". And northern Italy doesn't feel Southwestern either but Central European influenced.

But I was speaking on a genetic basis. I feel no affinity to Germans, for instance.

You're American, not European, so why would you? And have you ever been to Italy or do you just take other peoples word for it? I agree that northern Italy has a lot of central influence and even parts of it can be classified as such, but as a whole it's still Southern.

And there is more to a people than simply genetics.

[kabeiros]

We are closer to Italians and Balkanians, if I had to pick an Anatolian people who is somewhat close to us it would be Armenians, not Kurds (and this would be true only for some Anatolian Greeks, not the whole Greek nation)

[Sikeliot]

We are closer to Italians and Balkanians, if I had to pick an Anatolian people who is somewhat close to us it would be Armenians, not Kurds (and this would be true only for some Anatolian Greeks, not the whole Greek nation)

Comparing Kurds to Greeks is just grasping at straws and makes no sense. A more sensible question would have been Italian vs. Armenian, Serbs vs. Turks, etc.

[Su]

**************
****UPDATE****

So far in total 16 votes.

14 for Kurds
2 for Germans

[Sikeliot]

I actually just remembered Kurds are Muslim, and this makes me think that since religious boundaries are one of the greatest, Germans may be more appropriate. I highly doubt Greeks as Christians would feel much in common with Kurdish Muslims.

[Su]

I actually just remembered Kurds are Muslim, and this makes me think that since religious boundaries are one of the greatest, Germans may be more appropriate. I highly doubt Greeks as Christians would feel much in common with Kurdish Muslims.

The question was regarding their culture, since Kurdish users did indirect claims that they have got similar cultures in fact with whole Balkan and also the querstion was regaridng life style such as traditions and also look.

I never mentioned the religion part.

[kabeiros]

Comparing Kurds to Greeks is just grasping at straws and makes no sense. A more sensible question would have been Italian vs. Armenian, Serbs vs. Turks, etc.
If we were to put Italians, Greeks and Armenians in a line, Greeks would fall somewhere in the middle but closer to Italians. The same for Serbs and Turks (although the specific region of origin of every Greek, Italian, Armenian, Serbian and Turk would be significant enough to change the position of Greece in the line)

[Sikeliot]

You're American, not European, so why would you? And have you ever been to Italy or do you just take other peoples word for it? I agree that northern Italy has a lot of central influence and even parts of it can be classified as such, but as a whole it's still Southern.

And there is more to a people than simply genetics.

My perspective comes from having grown up around both Portuguese and Italians. Apart from Romance languages and Catholicism, the attitudes, looks, foods, mindset, music, etc. are all very different that I can't fathom, apart from "Southern Europe" as a general description, classifying them together.

I think it's just best to say Iberia and southern France = SW, Italy = South-Central, Balkans = SE.

[Crn Volk]

Kurds

[kabeiros]

The question was regarding their culture, since Kurdish users did indirect claims that they have got similar cultures in fact with whole Balkan and also the querstion was regaridng life style such as traditions and also look.

I never mentioned the religion part.
The fact that some Kurds claim something, doesn't make it true. Kurdish culture is very different from Greek and Balkan culture

[Su]

The fact that some Kurds claim something, doesn't make it true. Kurdish culture is very different from Greek and Balkan culture

And how do you feel about the fact that some kurdish users claiming these sort of things? I was very confused that's why I created this thread to hear other people's opinion :thumb001:

[jerney]

I include religion in the term 'culture'. It's usually one of the largest parts of a peoples culture

[Sikeliot]

I include religion in the term 'culture'. It's usually one of the largest parts of a peoples culture

In that case I see your point. I just think, in the case of Italy, a "South-Central" or generic "Southern" descriptor is needed. When I was speaking of them as SE Europeans I was speaking of genetics, as I would find it difficult to feel kinship with people who are not genetically close to myself.

[Su]

87.50% says kurds, so more votes :P

[Sikeliot]

SometimesYes, what are you trying to prove here exactly?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I include religion in the term 'culture'. It's usually one of the largest parts of a peoples culture

This is a good point but I'd take it further and say there is no national culture without the glue of an abstract idea consistently promoted that a citizen will accept or reject whether it's a religion or its replacement an ideology.

To make this clearer with an example - 'Middle America' has core values based around Christianity while most modern American sub-cultures are antagonistic towards those values but these sub-cultures wouldn't exist as they are without the former. The conflict between both has created modern American culture.

[Demhat]

Troll :zombie00: in the horizon :speechless-smiley-0

She will never stop it. Until she came up with her trollish attitude there was not that much "war" between Kurds and Turks. Man I even prefer Pecheng over her since Pecheng starts only to troll if he feels to be trolled himself (though he often overreacts and mistakes things as trollish which arent meant to be) while she trolls just out of nothing.

[Demhat]

Troll :zombie00: in the horizon :speechless-smiley-0


no offense sometimesyes, but i think it's an unnecessary thread :)
don't we have enough shitstorms?
I want to focus on something else instead of never-ends-fights in this forum.

As I said, :thumb001: even though Pecheng loves to troll when he feels to be trolled himself, he knows at least when it should be stopped.

[Su]

SometimesYes, what are you trying to prove here exactly?

I am curious :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

I am curious :thumb001:

I just think it doesn't prove anything either way.. Greeks are so dissimilar from Germans that it shouldn't be a surprise if a dissimilar group from elsewhere may or may not be closer.

[StonyArabia]

It would have been a better if you used Swedes instead of Germans. Since the genetic distance is even further. Most genetic studies shows Greeks are closer to Anatolians than they are to North Europeans, and so this might answer the question I guess.

[Su]

As I said, :thumb001: even though Pecheng loves to troll when he feels to be trolled himself, he knows at least when it should be stopped.

So do you think Greeks are closer to Germans or Greeks? What did you vote?

[Demhat]

So do you think Greeks are closer to Germans or Greeks? What did you vote?

Greeks are closer to Greeks what else my dear troll.

[Su]

Greeks are closer to Greeks what else my dear troll.

The question was are Greeks closer to Germans or your people (Kurds). I also like this one of your posts:


http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/images/nature09103-f2.2.jpg

Indeed closest genetic cousins, Iranians and Armenians. 5-10% Balkanic input doesnt change much.




3% wow now thats much



Chaliphate anyone?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Map_of_expansion_of_Caliphate.svg]

They European too :eek:



Kurds dont need to take "European" culture since their culture is very similar to European to begin with, like traditional circle dances, clothes etc.

Source: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1097865#post1097865

[Demhat]

The question was are Greeks closer to Germans or your people (Kurds). I also like this one of your posts:



Source: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1097865#post1097865


okkkk and whats wrong about that, and what does this have to do with your question anyways.
Greeks would be genetically closer to Kurds than Germans, yet all three Groups are distinct to each other.

[Su]

For culture it would be Definetely Kurds. And history, Greece was influenced by Kurdish Mede empire and kurdistan was ruled by Greeks for some years.

I don't know much about germans though do my vote goes to kurds

Also could you explain this part further more, it sounds very interesting.


okkkk and whats wrong about that, and what does this have to do with your question anyways.
Greeks would be genetically closer to Kurds than Germans, yet all three Groups are distinct to each other.

^So do you mean they are all world-apart (like Chinese v.s. Nigerian) or would you rather say Greeks are in general a bit more closer to Germans or the opposite side somewhat Greeks are closer to Kurds than Germans.

[Food]

http://the-political-ear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/129156.jpeg

[Anusiya]

I voted Kurds.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/1297-problem-meme.jpg

[Absinthe]

Turks:

are they closer to Melanesians or Norwegians?

Now that is a legitimate question :wink

[Dengizik]

Turks:

are they closer to Melanesians or Norwegians?

Now that is a legitimate question :wink

Absinthe, at least you dont participate this. :(

[Absinthe]

Absinthe, at least you dont participate this. :(
Participate in what, exactly? :)

[Dengizik]

Participate in what, exactly? :)

This sh*tstorm. Stupid Greek-kurd-Turk fight. :(

[Absinthe]

This sh*tstorm. Stupid Greek-kurd-Turk fight. :(
I am old enough not to take the bait and engage into yet another ridiculous ethnic contest. :)
I've met people of those ethnicities in real life and I've drawn my own conclusions which will stick for life. Bickering at imaginary enemies over the internet is a lame waste of time...

[alanr]

Why do you insist on creating troll threads? Do you have nothing to do? Try buying a vibrator maybe? Seriously, you know full well how Greeks are insecure about their position, yet you keep posting useless crap all the time.

[Su]

Why do you insist on creating troll threads? Do you have nothing to do? Try buying a vibrator maybe? Seriously, you know full well how Greeks are insecure about their position, yet you keep posting useless crap all the time.

Insecure? :mmmm:

So did you actually vote for Kurds or Germans ?

[Archduke]

Kurds.

[alanr]

Insecure? :mmmm:

So did you actually vote for Kurds or Germans ?

I didn't vote because I don't see the need to. Just leave the poor Greeks alone, they get enough shit from their fellow Europeans on this site already. :picard2:

[Dengizik]

Why do you insist on creating troll threads? Do you have nothing to do? Try buying a vibrator maybe? Seriously, you know full well how Greeks are insecure about their position, yet you keep posting useless crap all the time.

So do you satisfying with a vibrator when you have nothing to do :confused:

[alanr]

So do you satisfying with a vibrator when you have nothing to do :confused:

No I don't doing the satisfying.

[alanr]

Sometimesyes, if you are so curious, go ask your step dad? :D

[Su]

I didn't vote because I don't see the need to. Just leave the poor Greeks alone, they get enough shit from their fellow Europeans on this site already. :picard2:

Such a shame, I wish I knew your answer, since it is very interesting to know how you feel about the cultural overlap between Greeks and Kurds as well as life style, look, traditions etc.

[alanr]

Such a shame, I wish I knew your answer, since it is very interesting to know how you feel about the cultural overlap between Greeks and Kurds as well as life style, look, traditions etc.

:picard2: what overlap? Kurds are Iranic and Muslim. Greeks are not. There maybe some cultural similarities due to the Indo-European influence on Kurds, but that's it. As for the look, Kurds are a whole look Iranic, however there are individuals that can fit anywhere in Europe.

Infact, I was reading some ottoman era documents and the writer talked about non-Kurdish gypsies living in Eastern Anatolia that often pretended to be Kurds. He also talked about several Arab tribes that lived around Mardin.

I'll post extract of it later on today.

[Demhat]

Infact, I was reading some ottoman era documents and the writer talked about non-Kurdish gypsies living in Eastern Anatolia that often pretended to be Kurds. He also talked about several Arab tribes that lived around Mardin.


Yes thats about true, many people think every Person coming out of Eastern Anatolia have to be Kurd yet there is a minority of Arabs, Turks, Armenians and Assyrian and very small minority of Gypsies which tend to associate themselves always with the groups they live in. I know myself a Gypsy Kurdish family which pretends to the outside to be Kurdish but is known in the community to be Gypsies and making music.

Some People even tend to post Gypsy Kurdish pictures as representative for Kurds. There are hundreds of thousand Gypsies living in Istanbul, Mugla, Ankara and other Turkish cities yet I have never seen them being considered "typical" Turkish.


The Kurdish look is distinctive West Asian.

[dralos]

kurds bcs grees are anatolian immigrants,they're probably closest to turks then kurds

[Ellin Arhon]

Yes thats about true, many people think every Person coming out of Eastern Anatolia have to be Kurd yet there is a minority of Arabs, Turks, Armenians and Assyrian and very small minority of Gypsies which tend to associate themselves always with the groups they live in. I know myself a Gypsy Kurdish family which pretends to the outside to be Kurdish but is known in the community to be Gypsies and making music.

Some People even tend to post Gypsy Kurdish pictures as representative for Kurds. There are hundreds of thousand Gypsies living in Istanbul, Mugla, Ankara and other Turkish cities yet I have never seen them being considered "typical" Turkish.


The Kurdish look is distinctive West Asian.


You cannot imagine how many gypsies are living all over the word, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants and identify themselves as "Greeks" only and only because they emmigrated from there (usually from there sometime after the 2nd world war). Since then, their culture was transmitted as "greek" continuously

Typical example of gypsy music in Greece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5desqV0xfk


Traditional music from the island of Ikaria, in the Aegean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELjYVJ6xcUU

[el22]

Kurds. Germans are cyborgs, no one is close to them.

[Trun]

SometimesYes, do you feel closer to the Brits you serve, or to the Mongols your kin belows?

[Demhat]

You cannot imagine how many gypsies are living all over the word, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants and identify themselves as "Greeks" only and only because they emmigrated from there (usually from there sometime after the 2nd world war). Since then, their culture was transmitted as "greek" continuously

Typical example of gypsy music in Greece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5desqV0xfk


Traditional music from the island of Ikaria, in the Aegean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELjYVJ6xcUU

Gypsies in Kurdistan adopted Kurdish music and almost 50% of the Singers on weddings are Gypsies.

They speak Domari, their original language and as well Kurdish.


They look Kurdish with strong and distinct Indian influence on them, especially the woman. They appear like Kurdish-Pakistani mixes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcL90KSbU9M

[Sikeliot]

Not this thread again :lol:

[Onur]

Traditional music from the island of Ikaria, in the Aegean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELjYVJ6xcUU
Tulum (bagpipe) in an island? Do you really believe that this is traditional to a small island?

All the cultural elements (music, folklore, food...) of these island came from Turkey. Bagpipe is one of them. Most likely this instrument and music came from northern Anatolian immigrants, as you guys call as Pontics.

[Queen B]

None. Stupid question.

[Food]

http://www.designerstalk.com/forums/attachments/showcase/11375d1325244221-consulting-website-oh-no___-not-shit-again.jpg

[Osprey]

Closer to Gemans like this
http://twistedblood.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/ballack.jpg
Not this
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/yG_Cz2CaVhkgR8ZQC0lwkw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/ukiemovies/eric-stoltz.jpg

[Anusiya]

Good eye Osprey!

[rashka]

Closer to Germans.

http://www.pepgas.gr/admin/images/epikairothta/London2012.jpg

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

so much win :D

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/7639/timetositbackandenjoyth.jpg

[Incal]

I've seen some German looking Greeks tho. When my cyp ex wanted to troll she used to say it was due to the World War Nazi "occupation".

[Guapo]

northern Greeks are closer to Macedonians

[Su]

northern Greeks are closer to Macedonians

What about Bulgarians?

[ioan assen]

What about Bulgarians?
That basically means the Northern Greeks are close to Bulgarians too.

[Benacer]

northern Greeks are closer to Macedonians

Because they actually are Macedonians. :p

[ficuscarica]

Epic thread.

[ioan assen]

Genetically: Kurds
Racially: Kurds
Culturally: Germans

[Su]

Genetically: Kurds
Racially: Kurds
Culturally: Germans

Racially? All 3 nations are racially caucasians.

[Queen B]

Epic thread.
Idiotic, I d say.

[alanr]

Not this again. There are a lot of Greeks in my uni. My house mates are Greek and I generally get on better with them. Their music is good since it resembles Kurdish music. Look wise some Kurds can pass as Greeks and some Greeks as Kurds but I'm not sure it's a big trend as I haven't seen enough Greeks to make an educated guess.

[mysticism]

Closer to Gemans like this
http://twistedblood.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/ballack.jpg
Not this
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/yG_Cz2CaVhkgR8ZQC0lwkw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/ukiemovies/eric-stoltz.jpg

The one on top is a Sorbian Slav from Lusatia.

[ChildOfTheJin]

I'm not sure on genetics but culturally, the Greeks are closer to the Kurds than Germans:

Greek dance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQbqkRAu4k

Kurdish dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sty_gZYi4Mk

[alanr]

I'm not sure on genetics but culturally, the Greeks are closer to the Kurds than Germans:

Greek dance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQbqkRAu4k

Kurdish dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sty_gZYi4Mk

I have a lot of Greek friends. Minus the fact that they are christian and that it impacts their life significantly they are pretty similar to Kurds. But religion plays a big rule in their life so....

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

You cannot imagine how many gypsies are living all over the word, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants and identify themselves as "Greeks" only and only because they emmigrated from there (usually from there sometime after the 2nd world war). Since then, their culture was transmitted as "greek" continuously

Typical example of gypsy music in Greece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5desqV0xfk


Traditional music from the island of Ikaria, in the Aegean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELjYVJ6xcUU

Lots of Gypsies identify themselves as Turks too..
They don't have their land..:(

May be they also deserve a country of their own ,for instance in the middle of Balkans and Greece ,huh?

Who supports Free Gypsystan?

[kabeiros]

I'm not sure on genetics but culturally, the Greeks are closer to the Kurds than Germans:

Greek dance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQbqkRAu4k

Kurdish dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sty_gZYi4MkGreeks have a thousand dances which look nothing like this Serhildan. Culturally you are muslims, nothing is furthest from Greek culture than Islam

[gregorius]

Greeks do not look like kurds. Kurds look like persian people. There is a minority who look greek though

[Vesuvian Sky]

Here's how we'll do this:

Kurds
genetics based on McDonald's BGA: primarily middle eastern and south Asian w/ highly diminished Euro. component and blurbs of east Asian (perhaps from a Turkic-Altaic source?)

culture: Iranian middle eastern w/ nomadic traditions

language: eastern (satem) Indo-European


Germans
genetics based on McDonald's BGA: pretty much all European

culture: European - a northern variant

language: western (kentum) IE language

Greeks
genetics based on McDonald's BGA: mainly European w/ a secondary ME component

culture: European - a southern variant

language: western (kentum) Indo-European

from this perspective Germans, though I hardly group Greeks w/ Germans in any sense other then being European.

But the relationships to Kurds based on these factors above are rather stretched. All groups are their own unique thing really and overlap only on the most generalized ground.

[ChildOfTheJin]

Greeks have a thousand dances which look nothing like this Serhildan. Culturally you are muslims, nothing is furthest from Greek culture than Islam

Culturally we are Zoroastrians, for example, we celebrate the Zoroastrian tradition of Newroz.

Greeks have over 4000 traditional dances and the one i posted is one of them .

In Greek you call these hand holding dances Χαλάϊ according to wiki.

[kabeiros]

the fact that you celebrate a Zoroastrian festival doesn't make you non-Muslim. Kurds commited a lot of the attrocities that the Young Turks commanded against Armenians and Pontic Greeks, we are not brothers or even friends.

[ChildOfTheJin]

the fact that you celebrate a Zoroastrian festival doesn't make you non-Muslim. Kurds commited a lot of the attrocities that the Young Turks commanded against Armenians and Pontic Greeks, we are not brothers or even friends.

I am not a Muslim. Ok we are not brothers or friends, but what has that got to do with this? What has genocide got to do with this topic?

But it's not like I supported any genocide.

Anyway, Kurds and Greeks have been in contact since Medean times. We had a alliance with the Lydian Greeks in west Anatolia.

[kabeiros]

Do you live in 600 BC? The relevance is that we are not culturally simmilar as you claimed and your (I mean the Kurdish people not necessary you) religion was the reason that you commited this attrocities

[Partizan]

SometimesYes, do you feel closer to the Brits you serve, or to the Mongols your kin belows?

Do you feel closer to Kazan Tatars and Chuvashes, your Turkic/Bulgar brothers, or to Gypsies, you have a lot in your country?

[ChildOfTheJin]

Do you live in 600 BC? The relevance is that we are not culturally simmilar as you claimed and your (I mean the Kurdish people not necessary you) religion was the reason that you commited this attrocities

First, the ottomans payed Kurdish bandits to attack Armenians and they payed Armenian bandits to attack us. Basically they used us both. I have not heard of Kurdish involvement in the Greek genocide.

Ok, so you are saying the Greeks are culturally similar to Germans than Kurds?

Do not get tradition confused with culture. Traditionally, Greeks are closer to Germans. Culturally, Greeks are closer to Kurds.

[Guapo]

What about Bulgarians?

who?

[gregorius]

the fact that you celebrate a Zoroastrian festival doesn't make you non-Muslim. Kurds commited a lot of the attrocities that the Young Turks commanded against Armenians and Pontic Greeks, we are not brothers or even friends.


First, the ottomans payed Kurdish bandits to attack Armenians and they payed Armenian bandits to attack us. Basically they used us both. I have not heard of Kurdish involvement in the Greek genocide.

Ok, so you are saying the Greeks are culturally similar to Germans than Kurds?

the german(whole europe) culture is derived from the Hellenic.

[kabeiros]

Ok, so you are saying the Greeks are culturally similar to Germans than Kurds?I'm saying that non-muslim Greeks are culturally closer to Germans than even Greek muslims


Do not get tradition confused with culture. Traditionally, Greeks are closer to Germans. Culturally, Greeks are closer to Kurds. Can you explain the difference between tradition and culture and which are these cultural similarities of Greeks and Kurds?

[Demhat]

Here's how we'll do this:

Kurds
genetics based on McDonald's BGA: primarily middle eastern and south Asian w/ highly diminished Euro. component and blurbs of east Asian (perhaps from a Turkic-Altaic source?)

your totally wrong on genetic basis. First define Middle Eastern genes, second define South Asian genes. If you go by Dodecad. Kurds are primarily West Asian with even more Atlantic Baltic Genes than South Asian, so I dont get that part how you come to the conclusion to classify Kurdish genetics as "Middle Eastern+South Asian" as if the South Asian in Kurds place a huge role but at the same time call the North European component which is in Kurds almost twice the size as the South Asian "diminished". And not only that you find it even necessary to mention the tiny 0.5-2% East Asian in Kurds which is even higher in almost half of Europeans. Sorry but I cant take this serious.



Here are the components among Kurds.

Kurds
West AsianA 53.1%
Mediterranean 27.2%
Atl_Baltic 9%
Red Sea 5.2%
South Asian 4.2%
Siberian 1%
Southeast Asian 0.2%
East Asian 0.2%
Paleo African 0.1%

As we see Kurds are up to 80% West Asians/Near Eastern. ~9% North European. 5% Southwest Asian+East African and 4% South-Central Asian.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadC1kRjhxcHNfSGhPYlUxbEI0VVZPR 0E#gid=0

culture: Iranian middle eastern w/ nomadic traditions

Iranian culture is different from Kurdish. Iranian do not have circle dances as far as I know. Kurdish is an Iranian language though.

[gregorius]

your totally wrong on genetic basis. First define Middle Eastern genes, second define South Asian genes. If you go by Dodecad. Kurds are primarily West Asian with even more Atlantic Baltic Genes than South Asian, so I dont get that part how you come to the conclusion to classify Kurdish genetics as "Middle Eastern+South Asian" as if the South Asian in Kurds place a huge role but at the same time call the North European component which is in Kurds almost twice the size as the South Asian "diminished". And not only that you find it even necessary to mention the tiny 0.5-2% East Asian in Kurds which is even higher in almost half of Europeans. Sorry but I cant take you serious with that.





Iranian culture is different from Kurdish. Iranian do not have circle dances as far as I know. Kurdish is an Iranian language though.

Kurdish people look like Persian people(culturally/genetic).

[Sikeliot]

Kurds have more in common with Afghans, Persians, and North Indians than with Greeks.

[Demhat]

Kurdish people look like Persian people(culturally/genetic).


Against scientific facts you bring me one senseless sentence?

you have no idea what you are talking about. Obviously a Bullshitter. Genetically they have more in common with Persians than Greeks, culturally they are distinct from both groups.

[Demhat]

Kurds have more in common with Afghans, Persians, and North Indians than with Greeks.

list those common things Sikeliot.

[Sikeliot]

I think Kurds do look like a combination of Persians and Armenians.

[Demhat]

I think Kurds do look like a combination of Persians and Armenians.

Kurds have their own unique look which can overlap with Persians or Armenians.

[Sikeliot]

list those common things Sikeliot.

Music, physical appearance, languages are closely related, religion.

[gregorius]

list those common things Sikeliot.

Language, religion, living area, food, Looks.
Probably many more things but these are the most important

[Demhat]

Language, religion, living area, food, Looks.
Probably many more things but these are the most important


Since when do Kurds have the same religion as Northern Indians? So according to you, Assyrians are the same as Germans because both are Christians? the difference between Kurdish and Persian language is similar to that between Polish and Serbian. Kurdish food is different from Iranian and even more similar to Armenian. Kurdish dance shares most similarities with Armenians. Kurdish living area stretches all the way from Northwestern Syria to Western Iran.

[Demhat]

Music, physical appearance, languages are closely related, religion.

So Kurds look like North Indians. Kurdish Music is similar to Afghan and North Indian music? Please post a Indian Song similar to Kurdish one. And Kurds have the same religion as North Indians? The difference between Kurdish and North indian is as Baltic to South Slavic, this is what you call very closely related? :rolleyes:


Sorry but you both are debating about a subject you have little to no knowledge about.

[Sikeliot]

Well, not the same religion as North Indians but you guys are definitely closer to Afghans than to Greeks.

[gregorius]

Since when do Kurds have the same religion as Northern Indians? So according to you, Assyrians are the same as Germans because both are Christians? the difference between Kurdish and Persian language is similar to that between Polish and Serbian. Kurdish food is different from Iranian and even more similar to Armenian. Kurdish dance shares most similarities with Armenians. Kurdish living area stretches all the way from Northwestern Syria to Western Iran.

its not only religion thats count. You have to sum it up.

north indians are mostly muslim.

Kurdish food is more turkish probably than iranian you got that point.

Thats why serbian and polish people do have similarities.

Yea well ive seen kurdish dance, it looks turkish aswell. Your clothes look even more like the people from afghanistan

[Vesuvian Sky]

your totally wrong on genetic basis. First define Middle Eastern genes, second define South Asian genes. If you go by Dodecad. Kurds are primarily West Asian with even more Atlantic Baltic Genes than South Asian, so I dont get that part how you come to the conclusion to classify Kurdish genetics as "Middle Eastern+South Asian" as if the South Asian in Kurds place a huge role but at the same time call the North European component which is in Kurds almost twice the size as the South Asian "diminished". And not only that you find it even necessary to mention the tiny 0.5-2% East Asian in Kurds which is even higher in almost half of Europeans. Sorry but I cant take this serious.



Here are the components among Kurds.

Kurds
West AsianA 53.1%
Mediterranean 27.2%
Atl_Baltic 9%
Red Sea 5.2%
South Asian 4.2%
Siberian 1%
Southeast Asian 0.2%
East Asian 0.2%
Paleo African 0.1%

As we see Kurds are up to 80% West Asians/Near Eastern. ~9% North European. 5% Southwest Asian+East African and 4% South-Central Asian.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadC1kRjhxcHNfSGhPYlUxbEI0VVZPR 0E#gid=0


Iranian culture is different from Kurdish. Iranian do not have circle dances as far as I know. Kurdish is an Iranian language though.


McDonald's BGA is more accurate then any of those other admix calc. Everyone know that already.:rolleyes: Its all your autosomal components on all 23 chromosomes from categories that actually make sense. Its the categorization of alleles on all those other calculators like the one you just brought up that are highly questionable.

Also you misunderstand what say. I was using Iranian in the broad sense and fire dance doesn't sound too far off from the fire worship traditions of Zoroastrianism.

Furthermore, ancient Greek pantheon was not inherited from an Iranian source of any type. Modern day Greeks are primarily Christians. Kurds primarily not.

Greeks and Germans are Europeans.

Kurds are not.

[gregorius]

Well never mind if you want to be greek be my guest ;). Kurdish people like to do that kind of things. They only want to show people with light eyes and brown hair that kind of stuff.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4574220/1/#new

i dont know if this is a troll or not but it is hilarious

[Demhat]

Well never mind if you want to be greek be my guest ;). Kurdish people like to do that kind of things. They only want to show people with light eyes and brown hair that kind of stuff.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4574220/1/#new

i dont know if this is a troll or not but it is hilarious



Never mind hu? :D Now after your gout a.. pounded you start to think and claim we want to be Greek just because I proved that you are a major bullshitter 1. on Genetic basis 2. cultural basis 3. on linguistic basis.

I should have known that you are Greek you probably belong to Golden Dawn. :D


Believe me no one, not even a single Kurd has claimed to be most similar to Greeks. What some did was only to clarify that there are some similarities but of course this doesnt suit you to be compared to Near Easterners.


traditional North Indian music.

Bmdhqteey8k

traditional Kurdish music.
8eocunZWJtU

Afghan Music.
S_jGzUGyPfc




Kurdish folklor
wZVLuXZnOjA


North Indian
xVBMtyYQUnk


Afghan
yYuHZL2GnIE



the similarities are so stunning :rolleyes:

[Sikeliot]

Greek music sounds like other Balkan music, which has Turkish influence. Serbian, Bulgarian.. Albanian music in particular is close to Greek.

[gregorius]

Never mind hu? :D Now after your gout a.. pounded you start to think and claim we want to be Greek just because I proved that you are a major bullshitter 1. on Genetic basis 2. cultural basis 3. on linguistic basis.

I should have known that you are Greek you probably belong to Golden Dawn. :D


Believe me no one, not even a single Kurd has claimed to be most similar to Greeks. What some did was only to clarify that there are some similarities but of course this doesnt suit you to be compared to Near Easterners.


traditional North Indian music.

Bmdhqteey8k

traditional Kurdish music.
8eocunZWJtU

Afghan Music.
S_jGzUGyPfc




Kurdish folklor
wZVLuXZnOjA


North Indian
xVBMtyYQUnk


Afghan
yYuHZL2GnIE



the similarities are so stunning :rolleyes:

Im not greek ;) look you proved nothing. Please dont emberasse yourself.

[Demhat]

McDonald's BGA is more accurate then any of those other admix calc.
You mean the same McDOnald calculator which shows all Kurdish participation so far as mostly European or European+Middle Eastern on the alleles? :picard2:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5931/39515338.jpg

Yeah of course he is more accurate than Dienkes, 23andme and co. :picard1:



Everyone know that already.:rolleyes: Its all your autosomal components on all 23 chromosomes from categories that actually make sense. Its the categorization of alleles on all those other calculators like the one you just brought up that are highly questionable.


Ok thanks for the lessons but now tell me how does this support your claims in any possible way? :picard2:


Also you misunderstand what say. I was using Iranian in the broad sense Just like you use "Slavic" or Latin in broader sense because as we all know there is no difference between a Spaniard, Italian, French and Mexican :picard2:


and fire dance doesn't sound too far off from the fire worship traditions of Zoroastrianism.

Who was talking about a fire dance?




Greeks and Germans are Europeans.


"European" is a very undefined term. However no one was talking here about Greeks or Germans. So Germans and Greeks being European gave you the right to make the false claims like Kurds are "Middle Eastern+South Asian"?

Please my dear people stop arguing about things you have little to no knowledge about or at least dont try to bring it over as if you have some knowledge.

[Demhat]

Im not greek ;) look you proved nothing. Please dont emberasse yourself.



Dude the only one embarrassing himself was you. I a.. pounded you on almost all subjects. You threw a claim into the room which couldt have been more ridiculous and when I disproved you, you came up with shit like I want to be Greek?

[kabeiros]

Greek music sounds like other Balkan music, which has Turkish influence. Serbian, Bulgarian.. Albanian music in particular is close to Greek.
We have many types of traditional music, only some of them are close to Albanian

[gregorius]

You mean the same McDOnald calculator which shows all Kurdish participation so far as mostly European on the alleles? :picard2:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5931/39515338.jpg

Yeah of course he is more accurate than Dienkes, 23andme and co. :picard1:




Ok thanks for the lessons but now tell me how does this support your claims in any possible way? :picard2:
Just like you use "Slavic" or Latin in broader sense because as we all know there is no difference between a Spaniard, Italian, French and Mexican :picard2:



Who was talking about a fire dance?





"European" is a very undefined term. However no one was talking here about Greeks or Germans. So Germans and Greeks being European gave you the right to make the false claims like Kurds are "Middle Eastern+South Asian"?

Please my dear people stop arguing about things you have little to know knowledge about or at least dont try to bring it over as if you have some knowledge.

What is your point really? do you want to be look like greek ? you have my blessings. You are def. European :thumb001:.

[gregorius]

Dude the only one embarrassing himself was you. I a.. pounded you on almost all subjects. You threw a claim into the room which couldt have been more ridiculous and when I disproved you, you came up with shit like I want to be Greek?

oke you dont want to be a greek. But kurdish culture is def close to the greek,serbian even russian culture ;):thumb001:

[Demhat]

What is your point really? do you want to be look like greek ? you have my blessings. You are def. European :thumb001:.

So if I do not stand still while you claim here unscientific upper bullshit, I want to be Greek? :picard2:

[Demhat]

oke you dont want to be a greek. But kurdish culture is def close to the greek,serbian even russian culture ;):thumb001:


Kurdish culture is unique.

[gregorius]

Kurdish culture is unique.

Yes i mean you dont have anything that looks similar to Arab/Persian people

[Demhat]

Yes i mean you dont have anything that looks similar to Arab/Persian people


Of course we do, but the similarities are not that extreme that someone needs to mention it. The same similarities you can also find between Arab and Persian or Turkish and Persian cultures. This is what I call overlapping but you claimed Kurdish=Persian, North Indian, Afghan culture, relgion, looks and this is something entirely different and wrong. Since not even Persian and Afghan(Pashtun) cultures are that similar from my knowledge.

[gregorius]

So if I do not stand still while you claim here unscientific upper bullshit, I want to be Greek? :picard2:

well my claimings are ase scientific as your fairytales really. The difference is the everyone is sharing those claimings with me. Your great scientific claims are cherrypicked stats. I know kurds believe me, i can see it with my own eyes.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Yeah of course he is more accurate than Dienkes, 23andme and co.

Yes he is and certainly know more then you.




Ok thanks for the lessons....

Your welcome. I enjoy educating people like you who know nothing and skew things.


but now tell me how does this support your claims in any possible way?

Why bother, people like you choose to believe what they want. So I'd clearly be wasting my time educating you further.



like you use "Slavic" or Latin in broader sense because as we all know there is no difference between a Spaniard, Italian, French and Mexican :picard2:

Then feel free to take your argument up w/ the English language or a dictionary but that's how that term is used. Sorry it causes you so much grief and petty butt hurt



Who was talking about a fire dance?

Its relevant but by all means get butt hurt over that too.:rolleyes:





"European" is a very undefined term.
Nope, only to those w/ an intense desire to be European but who are not.:)


no one was talking here about Greeks or Germans.

Wrong. See what voting poll is all about.:)



So Germans and Greeks being European gave you the right to make the false claims like Kurds are "Middle Eastern+South Asian"?

Take it up w/ Doug McDonald it you it hurts you so much. I'm sure he'd love to hear how you could improve upon his methods.:rolleyes:


my dear people stop arguing about things you have little to know knowledge about or at least dont try to bring it over as if you have some knowledge.

I always love when village idiots get condensing. Its so cute. Kinda like how Kurds think they are European.:laugh:

[Demhat]

well my claimings are ase scientific as your fairytales really. The difference is the everyone is sharing those claimings with me. Your great scientific claims are cherrypicked stats. I know kurds believe me, i can see it with my own eyes.



Dude you have posted zero, nada scientific sources to underline your upper bullshit claims. I have posted two scientific sources on genetics. Posted examples of Music and culture. And you call that cherry picked and fairy tails. What can you offer to disprove me. Show me one source supporting your claim that Kurds are genetically "Middle Eastern+South Asian". If not cut the crap and go discuss about something where you have at least a little knowledge.

[Demhat]

Yes he is and certainly know more then you.




you are such a prick dude. So where on his charts do you see Kurds are Middle Eastern+South Asian you lowlife fool


Your welcome. I enjoy educating people like you who know nothing and skew things.



And what exactly do I skew you lowlife troll, with the education level of a 10 year old. :D


Why bother, people like you choose to believe what they want. So I'd clearly be wasting my time educating you further.



You are clearly ignoring my points because you know you have nothing on the hand to disprove them. Now get out of my way. :D




Then feel free to take your argument up w/ the English language or a dictionary but that's how that term is used. Sorry it causes you so much grief and petty butt hurt



No arguments so now try your luck in criticizing me English knowledge. typical attitude of a lowlife troll. I knew already to speak two languages while you couldnt speak properly. I am quite fluent in 4 languages + additional one with less knowledge.
















Take it up w/ Doug McDonald it you it hurts you so much. I'm sure he'd love to here how you could improve upon his methods.:rolleyes:


You are too stupid to even understand Doug McDonalds charts. They in fact support me not you. :D



I always love when village idiots get condensing. Its so cute. Kinda like how Kurds think they are European.:laugh:


Village idiot says the fool who knows shit about genetics. :tongue

Youa re clearly ignoring the McDonald results I have posted because they do disprove your shit.


Get a life you idiot. It makes no sense to try to educate someone without brain.

[Vesuvian Sky]

lol, Dehmat = 'nother Kurd who wishes to be European/white.

hahahahaha!

Pathetic.

[gregorius]

you are such a prick dude. So where on his charts do you see Kurds are Middle Eastern+South Asian you lowlife fool




And what exactly do I skew you lowlife troll, with the education level of a 10 year old. :D




You are clearly ignoring my points because you know you have nothing on the hand to disprove them. Now get out of my way. :D






No arguments so now try your luck in criticizing me English knowledge. typical attitude of a lowlife troll. I knew already to speak two languages while you couldnt speak properly. I am quite fluent in 4 languages + additional one with less knowledge.

















You are too stupid to even understand Doug McDonalds charts. They in fact support me not you. :D




Village idiot says the fool who knows shit about genetics. :tongue

Youa re clearly ignoring the McDonald results I have posted because they do disprove your shit.


Get a life you idiot. It makes no sense to try to educate someone without brain.

No chart can state the obvious my friend. Nor kurds nor iranian people are european(culturaly,religious) and you are not looking european also.

[Azalea]

Fuck your mum.

You son of a bitch.

:eek:

It takes a lot for memobekes to get this upset. :D

[Vesuvian Sky]

Fuck your mum.

You son of a bitch.

oh my such a high brow remark. clearly such words attest to the high quality caliber of a great well educated group of people who also clearly don't have identity issues.

hahahaha!

man say you guys are not European and WWIII comes along!

Quite honestly the Japanese make better Aryans then you guys! They at least know who they really are and don't have petty identity issues.:D

[memobekes]

oh my such a high brow remark. clearly such words attest to the high quality caliber of a great well educated group of people who also clearly don't have identity issues.

hahahaha!

man say you guys are not European and WWIII comes along!

Quite honestly the Japanese make better Aryans then you guys! They at least know who they really are and don't have petty identity issues.:D

What's the matter bitch? You didn't like a dose of your medicine, did you?
Coming on here and spreading your filth, you aint getting anywhere bastard.
Go fuck yourself you twat.. and tell your mom to save me a plate, i'll be over later.

[kabeiros]

:eek:

It takes a lot for memobekes to get this upset. :D
Who got him crazy?

[Vesuvian Sky]

What's the matter bitch? You didn't like a dose of your medicine, did you?
Coming on here and spreading your filth, you aint getting anywhere bastard.
Go fuck yourself you twat.. and tell your mom to save me a plate, i'll be over later.

Here's you ready:

"errrrrr!!! arrrrggghhhh!!!! someone didn't class me as nordic today!
errrr, arrrrgggghhhh!!! I'm still phenotypically Kurdish!"



hahahaha!

whatev, loser...

[memobekes]

Fuck off, cunt. Don't you dare come on here and start spreading shit about a topic you know jack shit about! Twisting and manipulating information, you wanker, coward, asshole, racist son of a whore.

[memobekes]

By the way, shithead, my bro Demhat pwned you! You got schooled like a fool!

[mysticism]

haha this is such a troll thread

[Vesuvian Sky]

Fuck off, cunt. Don't you dare come on here and start spreading shit about a topic you know jack shit about! Twisting and manipulating information, you wanker, coward, asshole, racist son of a whore.

ah, back for more I see. ok here's you now:

"argghhh errr!!!!! I'm still not nordic!!! errr arrgghh!!! maybe if I try hard enough I can morph into one!!! I think I read about this on one of my pseudoscience forum- blogs.

ok here it goes:

errr!!! arrghhh!!! it ain't working!!! errr argghhh!"

:icon_cheesygrin:

[Demhat]

Who got him crazy?


the two pricks above Gregor and Vesuvian who made false allegations and trolled.

[Demhat]

Vesuvian sounds Armenian to me.

[gregorius]

the two pricks above Gregor and Vesuvian who made false allegations and trolled.

im sorry for that man. If I hurted you i will take everything back what i said.
Just dont make a big deal out of it. ;)

[Vesuvian Sky]

Hey I've got some tissues for any cry babies that may need 'em.

[memobekes]

You are like fleabags, you need to be flushed down the toilet.
Kind of ironic how you just pop up all of a sudden and start posting on this specific thread as though you couldn't find anything else to write on.
We know your intentions, asswipe. You may fool others but you can never fool us, dipshit..
And we're gonna fall for it? Yeah fucking right...

[kabeiros]

All the cultural elements (music, folklore, food...) of these island came from Turkey. Bagpipe is one of them. Most likely this instrument and music came from northern Anatolian immigrants, as you guys call as Pontics. Buahahahahahahahahahaha, I haven't seen this, the Turks invented the bagpipe :picard1:
They gave it to the Spaniards, Celts, Slavs, Greeks and all the other people who use it
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Cantiga_bagpipes_1.jpg
http://www.psaradelli.gr/education/epim/letters/foto_enc/askos.jpg

[memobekes]

And Sikeliot, I've just read some of your comments as well.
You've hardly covered yourself in glory by the things you wrote which I regret to say are by and large false. You don't have to like a group of people but at least learn to tell the truth.

[Sikeliot]

memobekes, you have the right to your opinion but please watch your language.. some of the things you have said in here are particularly inappropriate and unacceptable.

[Sophie]

No chart can state the obvious my friend. Nor kurds nor iranian people are european(culturaly,religious) and you are not looking european also.

And...? You think Armenians are ? :rolleyes:

[gregorius]

And...? You think Armenians are ? :rolleyes:
Nope

[alanr]

the fact that you celebrate a Zoroastrian festival doesn't make you non-Muslim. Kurds commited a lot of the attrocities that the Young Turks commanded against Armenians and Pontic Greeks, we are not brothers or even friends.

And they did nothing? You know that the Armenians massacred 90% of the Kurds in Rawanduz (Modern Iraq) when Russia was in the region? These things are well documented. No body is innocent. Not the Greeks, not the Armenians and not the Kurds. What matters is that Kurds don't deny it. What does that have to do with the subject anyway?

[alanr]

Gregor and Vesuvian why don't you do us all a favor and go jump of a cliff? You seem to have an obsession with making fools out of yourselves in topics that are irrelevant to you.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Gregor and Vesuvian why don't you do us all a favor and go jump of a cliff? You seem to have an obsession with making fools out of yourselves in topics that are irrelevant to you.

Ah, just got done jumping off a cliff. Luckily I brought my parachute.:D

As I was descending I was wondering, if a Kurd puts on a blonde wig, then will he pass in Scandinavia?

So perhaps this is how we can resolve the Kurdish identity crisis: simply have Demhat and Memobekes and whoever else wants to join them all get together and pose in blonde wigs. They can be holding each others hands, kissing each other, you know real 'bro stuff' or whatever and then post picture here. We can then classify them based on such and see if they pass in Scandinavia!:thumb001:

[Taco]

Wait Greeks are closer to KURDS?!??!?

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaooooo I need to see more pictures of Greeks I guess.

[Sikeliot]

Wait Greeks are closer to KURDS?!??!?

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaooooo I need to see more pictures of Greeks I guess.

They don't look phenotypically close to either, but I think everyone is speaking of them culturally.

[Insuperable]

Overall closer to Germans, obviously .

[Taco]

Oh now goddamnit Tuan Belanda you made my bar red!

Athens predicts 25... 11-08-2012 01:58 PM Tuan Belanda Nick off, troll. Respond To Rep

That's mean :(

I don't know what Greeks even look like and you get mad at me for asking why the poll says Kurds? What gives?

[alanr]

No thanks. I like my hair the way it is. Clearly you're mentally challenged. You deluded fool how many times do I need to repeat this, we are not European nor do we want to be.

Admin I don't know why you tolerate these threads that are made by non kurds for trolling purposes.

[Pallantides]

Greeks and Kurds are brown, Germans are usually not... case closed


































































:D

[Queen B]

Greeks and Kurds are brown, Germans are usually not... case closed

Damn, I m not Greek :(

[Pallantides]

Don't worry I have rather loose definition of brown, so I can probably fit you into that category. :D

[ChildOfTheJin]

I'm saying that non-muslim Greeks are culturally closer to Germans than even Greek muslims

Can you explain the difference between tradition and culture and which are these cultural similarities of Greeks and Kurds?

Google definitions:

Tradition:


The transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.

A long-established custom or belief that has been passed on in this way.


Culture:
The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.


Basically, tradition has more to do with religion so the Greeks would be closer to Germans traditionally.

You also have to look at past history between Kurdish ancestors and Greek ancestors. The Mede (An ancestor of the Kurds) and the Lydians (an ancestor of the Greeks) formed a alliance by marriage between the Daughter of the Median emperor and the Son of the Lydian emperor. This is proof of the first mixing between the ancestors of Greeks and Kurds. The following map shows Medea in yellow and Lydia in pink:

http://www.memo.fr/Media/Carte_Empire-Medes.jpg

And the Greeks also ruled over the Kurds too. An example is the Macedonian empire when they defeated the Persians:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg/250px-MacedonEmpire.jpg

The Macedonian Greeks called us Karduchoi.

During the time of the Macedonian empire, the Hellenic culture spread through Kurdistan but was later gone.

My sources are from the book "Return of the Medes"

[kabeiros]

Oh now goddamnit Tuan Belanda you made my bar red!

Athens predicts 25... 11-08-2012 01:58 PM Tuan Belanda Nick off, troll. Respond To Rep

That's mean :(

I don't know what Greeks even look like and you get mad at me for asking why the poll says Kurds? What gives?Were you banned for this reason? I knew Tuan doesn't like Greeks (he's close to hating us), but to ban you because of this comment is very ''funny''.

[kabeiros]

Culture:
The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.And how are the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement of Greeks and Kurds similar?


You also have to look at past history between Kurdish ancestors and Greek ancestors. The Mede (An ancestor of the Kurds) and the Lydians (an ancestor of the Greeks) formed a alliance by marriage between the Daughter of the Median emperor and the Son of the Lydian emperor. This is proof of the first mixing between the ancestors of Greeks and Kurds.Don't say this stuff to anyone with basic knowledge of history because they might laugh at you. The Lydians are not the ancestors of Greeks and even if they were, how is an alliance of two ancient kingdoms relative to the culture of modern Greeks and Kurds?


And the Greeks also ruled over the Kurds too. An example is the Macedonian empire when they defeated the PersiansThe Greeks also ruled Egypt, the middle east and Afghanistan during the hellenistic period but we are not culturally close to Talibans.
Let me tell you what I think. You hope that we Greeks might support you because we don't like Turks but this is very unlikely. Turks are doing it by supporting Alboz, Fyromians etc. but we are not like them. I don't think that Kurds are more ''European'' in culture or genetics from Turks and my dislike for them will not make me support unscientific stuff

[ChildOfTheJin]

And how are the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement of Greeks and Kurds similar?

Don't say this stuff to anyone with basic knowledge of history because they might laugh at you. The Lydians are not the ancestors of Greeks and even if they were, how is an alliance of two ancient kingdoms relative to the culture of modern Greeks and Kurds?

So the Lydians just died out? You are obviously not Greek because by saying Lydians aren't an ancestor of the Greeks, you are also claiming Western Anatolia is not historically Greek which it is. My point was some ancestors of the Kurds and Greeks have mixed with eachother, which are the Lydians and Medes.


The Greeks also ruled Egypt, the middle east and Afghanistan during the hellenistic period but we are not culturally close to Talibans.
Let me tell you what I think. You hope that we Greeks might support you because we don't like Turks but this is very unlikely. Turks are doing it by supporting Alboz, Fyromians etc. but we are not like them. I don't think that Kurds are more ''European'' in culture or genetics from Turks and my dislike for them will not make me support unscientific stuff

Yes, the Greeks have also mixed with Egyptians. An example is the city of Alexandria where many Egyptians there have Greek ancestry. You need to re read what I wrote. I never said we are more European. That claim is absolute bullshit :picard1: I said culturally, Greeks are closer to Kurds than Germans which you deny but you have not backed up your claim while I have twice.

From wiki:


Kurdish dance is a group of traditional hand-holding dances similar to those from the Balkans, Lebanon, and to Iraq.

[kabeiros]

... what ever makes you happy Sherildan. Kurdish culture is more similar to Turkish, Assyrian, Iranian and Iraqi culture but if you want to be balkanics, it's fine by me

[ChildOfTheJin]

what ever makes you happy Sherildan. Kurdish culture is more similar to Turkish, Assyrian, Iranian and Iraqi culture but if you want to be balkanics, it's fine by me

*sigh* here we go with this bull shit again.

[Freeroostah]

Kurds!!!!

[King Claus]

greek housing looks more similiar to kurds, also the looks of their peoples and ofcourse the language looks more kurdish.

[Incal]

greek housing looks more similiar to kurds, also the looks of their peoples and ofcourse the language looks more kurdish.

http://i.imgur.com/aiSSpPN.gif

[Furnace]

Kurds

[wvwvw]

....

[wvwvw]

greek housing looks more similiar to kurds, also the looks of their peoples and ofcourse the language looks more kurdish.

Ancient Greek is awfully similar in (grammatical structure) to German. And modern Greek is awfully similar to Ancient Greek (although gramatically resemble more English now).

The Kurdish language is similar to Persian

[Mazik]

Kurds!

[Constantine13]

I don't see much resemblance with either.

But as far as genetics/biology are concerned: Germans.

Kurds are mixed-race Iranics, which has nothing to do with Greeks.

[Scholarios]

Love our Turkish friends. Of course they are closest to Kurds. We have more in common with Germans, but of course we share our past humiliating domination by the same "friends" so in a way we are close to them.

[Smeagol]

Germans.

[Azalea]

I don't see much resemblance with either.

But as far as genetics/biology are concerned: Germans.

Kurds are mixed-race Iranics, which has nothing to do with Greeks.

Pretty sure Anatolian Greeks are closer to Kurds than to Germans.

[Chieftain]

Well, the poll is showing the obvious results :thumb001:

[wvwvw]

Well, the poll is showing the obvious results :thumb001:

Trollish poll results from a trollish thread started by a mongoloid Turkish poster. You can take the results and eat them. (not to say something much worse) Anatolian Greeks are marked as East Greek in various genetic calculators and genetically are identical to other Greeks' results.

[Hadouken]

I like Greeks

but they are closer to Germans

[Freeroostah]

I like Greeks

but they are closer to Germans

:rolleyes2:

[Chieftain]

True Germans.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/508bd6cb69beddbe1f000021-480/ilias-kasidiaris.jpg



http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/goldendawn-neo_nazi.jpg?w=620



http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmRAXWsH15BNoA0eq1-chBl91jZ3GG_TD55AkP9Iug4cwl2lGq

[Roy]

Germanoturks :rolleyes:

[Hadouken]

:rolleyes2:

dont you agree or what

they (you) are europeans and are closer to germans than to us

[Pontios]

Of course Greeks are closer to Kurds because Kurds are Iranians, and Iranians and Greeks are not very far apart.

[Hadouken]

Of course Greeks are closer to Kurds because Kurds are Iranians, and Iranians and Greeks are not very far apart.

hmm not sure but thats ok with me I like greeks

[Freeroostah]

dont you agree or what

they (you) are europeans and are closer to germans than to us

Yes but in culture we are way way off lol
Our culture and customs are almost the same with other Balkan countries as well as Eastern countries like Turkey and Lebanon. Germany on the other hand is a typical Western European country.

[Azalea]

Pretty sure Anatolian Greeks are closer to Kurds than to Germans.

Oops, I should have read the OP before responding. When it comes to culture, I think they are closer to Germans.

[Queen B]

True Germans.

Τhat's your proof?
If I start posting blonde Greeks will prove the opossite? :picard2:

[Kiyant]

Τhat's your proof?
If I start posting blonde Greeks will prove the opossite? :picard2:

Remember kids if you have white people in your country you automatically become "Aryan" and white :picard1:
The same for browns.

[alanr]

Not this crap again..................

[Sikeliot]

Yes but in culture we are way way off lol
Our culture and customs are almost the same with other Balkan countries as well as Eastern countries like Turkey and Lebanon. Germany on the other hand is a typical Western European country.

Not Lebanon. Lebanese culture is Arab, and not the same other than a few Ottoman food items. Culturally Lebanon is even closer to Syria, Iraq, and Jordan than to Greece.

[Hadouken]

greeks look like a mix of germans and kurds

:p

[Sikeliot]

Greeks look like a mixture of Balkan Slavs and Sicilians to me, more than anything else.

[Hadouken]

Greeks look like a mixture of Balkan Slavs and Sicilians to me, more than anything else.

i was kidding :D yes you are probably right

[Trun]

Yes but in culture we are way way off lol
Our culture and customs are almost the same with other Balkan countries as well as Eastern countries like Turkey and Lebanon. Germany on the other hand is a typical Western European country.

What Balkan countries have in common with Turkey and Lebanon?

[Mortimer]

kurds and turks definitely before germans.

[Ianus]

Greeks are different from both.