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Vulpix
07-06-2009, 01:39 PM
China riots: 140 people killed as Muslim separatists go on the rampage in Xinjiang (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1197754/China-riots-140-people-killed-Muslim-separatists-rampage-Xinjiang.html)


About 140 people have been killed and another 828 injured following riots in the capital of China's volatile Xinjiang region.
Members of a Muslim ethnic group, the Uighers, clashed with police in Urumqi after a peaceful protest yesterday involving about 3,000 people.
Rioters overturned barricades, and attacked vehicles and houses. Uigher exile groups said the violence started only after police began violently cracking down on the peaceful protest.

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Women injured in a riot comforting each other on a street in Urumqi, capital of China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region


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A video grab from CCTV shows a burning vehicle in Urumqi

Wu Nong, director of the news office of the Xinjiang provincial government, said more than 260 vehicles were attacked or set on fire and 203 houses were damaged. He said 140 people were killed and 828 injured in the violence.
The official Xinhua News Agency also said 140 people died and that the death toll 'was still climbing'.
Tensions between Uighurs and the majority Han Chinese are never far from the surface in Xinjiang, China's vast Central Asian buffer province.
Militant Uighurs have waged sporadic, violent separatist campaign in the area. The overwhelming majority of Urumqi's 2.3 million people are Han Chinese.
State television aired footage that showed protesters attacking and kicking people on the ground. Other people sat dazed with blood pouring down their faces.

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People turning over a police car during yesterday's riots

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An injured man is transported to an urgent care centre in Urumqi as a vehicle burns in the street

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Firemen put out a fire in Dawannanlu Street in Urumqi

Adam Grode, an American Fulbright scholar studying in Urumqi, said he heard explosions and also saw a few people being carried off on stretchers and a Han Chinese man with blood on his shirt entering a hospital.

He said he saw police pushing people back with tear gas, fire hoses and batons, and protesters knocking over police barriers and smashing bus windows.

'Every time the police showed some force, the people would jump the barriers and get back on the street. It was like a cat-and-mouse sort of game,' said Grode, 26.

Mobile phone service provided by at least one company was cut this morning to stop people from organizing further action in Xinjiang.
Xinjiang's government accused Uighur exiles led by a former businesswoman now living in America, Rebiya Kadeer, of fomenting the violence via the telephone and Internet.

Xinjiang Governor Nur Bekri said in a televised address early Monday that 'Rebiya had phone conversations with people in China on July 5 in order to incite and Web sites ... were used to orchestrate the incitement and spread propaganda.'

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Battered and bloody: An injured man lies in the street


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Police assemble opposite protestors in Urumqi, in China's western Xinjiang region


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A government statement quoted by Xinhua said the violence was 'a pre-empted, organised violent crime. It is instigated and directed from abroad and carried out by outlaws in the country.'

Kadeer's spokesman, Alim Seytoff, said by telephone from Washington, D.C., that the accusations were baseless.

'It's common practice for the Chinese government to accuse Ms. Kadeer for any unrest in East Turkestan and His Holiness the Dalai Lama for any unrest in Tibet,' he said.

The protest started on Sunday with demonstrators demanding a probe into a fight between Uighurs and Han Chinese workers at a southern China factory last month.

Accounts differed over what happened next in Urumqi, but the violence seemed to have started when a crowd of protesters - who started out peaceful - refused to disperse.
Uigher exile groups said the violence started when Chinese security forces cracked down on the peaceful protest.


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A protest that began peacefully turned violent Sunday as police fired shots in the air and used batons to disperse the crowd

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Residents walk by Chinese paramilitary police on duty near a square closed after riots in Urumqi

'We are extremely saddened by the heavy-handed use of force by the Chinese security forces against the peaceful demonstrators,' said Seytoff, vice president of the Washington-based Uyghur American Association.
'We ask the international community to condemn China's killing of innocent Uihgurs. This is a very dark day in the history of the Uighur people,' he said.
The association, led by a former businesswoman now living in America, Rebiya Kadeer, estimated that 1,000 to 3,000 people took part in the protest.
Four Uighur detainees at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba were recently released and relocated to Bermuda despite Beijing's objections because U.S. officials have said they fear the men would be executed if they returned to China. Officials have also been trying to transfer 13 others to the Pacific nation of Palau.
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Loki
07-06-2009, 01:52 PM
'We are extremely saddened by the heavy-handed use of force by the Chinese security forces against the peaceful demonstrators,' said Seytoff, vice president of the Washington-based Uyghur American Association.


Force can't be heavy-handed enough against these Muzzies. That's how they treat everyone else. They're not exactly fluffy bunnies.

Birka
07-06-2009, 01:56 PM
Did you ever notice that wherever Muslims are in the world, there is violence? Religion of Peace.

Útrám
07-06-2009, 02:43 PM
The CCP has some extreme policies on religion on the east coast, as western China becomes more economically significant it's only a matter of time before they eradicate Islamic influences in these mountainous regions. The PRC isn't blinded by multicultural nonsense, they are likely well-aware of the incongruities that Islam presents.

Jägerstaffel
07-06-2009, 04:52 PM
The CCP has some extreme policies on religion on the east coast, as western China becomes more economically significant it's only a matter of time before they eradicate Islamic influences in these mountainous regions. The PRC isn't blinded by multicultural nonsense, they are likely well-aware of the incongruities that Islam presents.

Yeah, if anyone is going to stand up to Muslim extremists it will definitely be China. The rest of the world may be scared to take a stand but not them.

Here come the executions.

China may have a pretty horrible government but I'd say they do one or two things right.

Osweo
07-06-2009, 05:08 PM
WOAH!!! Uygurstan is populated by Kazakhs, Kirgiz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Mongols and Uygurs, the latter being the one time majority. Red China has flooded this area with Han Chinese and treats the natives like shit. Central Asians were only fairly recently Islamicised, and were never particularly radical until caught up in the imperial ambitions of external powers. Muslim extremism in the area is a direct result of Chinese oppression, and the influence of Wahhabi fundamentalists in Saudi, Afghanistan and Pakistan. And we all know the story behind them. The whole thing is disgusting and horrendously unfortunate, and nothing to gloat about for anyone.

RoyBatty
07-06-2009, 06:18 PM
A government statement quoted by Xinhua said the violence was 'a pre-empted, organised violent crime. It is instigated and directed from abroad and carried out by outlaws in the country.'

There's an excellent chance that Soros is involved in this since he's already been active elsewhere in Central Asia. The "muzzies" are the stooges and patsies. The Zionists are the organisers and the real source of trouble.

Loki
07-06-2009, 06:36 PM
The Zionists are the organisers and the real source of trouble.

Next time you joke around, do use smilies so that everyone will catch it. ;)

http://derekpgilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/tin-foil-hat.jpg

Gooding
07-06-2009, 06:37 PM
That just sucks, big time. The Chinese Commies are going to try to shut this up and the Islamic folks in the Middle East are going to use this as one more reason to war against the rest of the world. As the Uygurs are a religious minority in their own land who want their own freedom, I can sympathize. The Chinese government, as stated earlier, is pulling a de facto ethnic cleansing in that area by importing so many Han Chinese and displacing others.To Hell with al Quaeda and to Hell with Beijing, but damn, it's really a sorry assed bullshit deal that the Uygurs are getting.:eek::(

Sol Invictus
07-06-2009, 06:45 PM
The Zionists are the organisers and the real source of trouble.

100% Agreed. Inciting riots and civil unrest through covert means are exactly what the CIA/Mossad has specialties in, now that "Assassinations" are considered "against the rules". First it's Iran, now it's China, which is funny because they are considered part of the 'Axis' these days. North Korea won't be far behind.

Get everyone hyped up about Muslims and all that through the media with a zionist spin on it to keep the spotlight off the REAL culprits.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Loki
07-06-2009, 06:54 PM
100% Agreed. Inciting riots and civil unrest through covert means are exactly what the CIA/Mossad has specialties in, now that "Assassinations" are considered "against the rules". First it's Iran, now it's China, which is funny because they are considered part of the 'Axis' these days. North Korea won't be far behind.

Get everyone hyped up about Muslims and all that through the media with a zionist spin on it to keep the spotlight off the REAL culprits.

Welcome to the New World Order.

I'm sorry my friend VA but I don't buy it. According to you guys, "Zionists" must be the most powerful force that the face of this earth has ever seen. They have absolute control over everyone, and can even get the Muslims in Central Asia, or North Korea as you suggest, to obey their wishes to the letter - without ever being caught out! Wow!! That is amazing. Do you know what you're actually saying here? These "Zionists" seem more than a political force. They're superhumans; demigods; lizardoid aliens from outer space. :rolleyes:

Man, if all these claims made about "Zionists" or "Jews" (for those who call a spade a spade) are actually true, then I'm afraid they must be vastly superior to us. What the heck, join the winners! Let's convert to Judaism and rule the planet with them!! :thumbs up

RoyBatty
07-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Next time you joke around, do use smilies so that everyone will catch it. ;)

http://derekpgilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/tin-foil-hat.jpg

88! :D

RoyBatty
07-06-2009, 07:19 PM
Loki, it really isn't rocket science. All they have to do is form a Uighur support group in DC and elsewhere, give them some tasty press coverage (Jew-owned media of course), "concerned" NGO's step in to agitate for their "human rights" (guess who funds most of those NGO's) etc.

There are already well known and established models for colour revolutions which people should really be familiar with by now. They've been applied in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia with success and elsewhere (Moldova, Central Asia) with less success.

Wherever there are some or other discontented groups, whether it be Albanians in Kosovo, Uighurs in China or the "Iranian opposition", there always seems to be a rather curious amount of "Western interest" and involvement in those affairs.

The media, NGO's, US / EU Governments + NATO and other regime changers are all sailing in the same boat. These events aren't spontaneous. They're organised.

If it isn't what can loosely be described as the NWO / Zionists then who are they?



Man, if all these claims made about "Zionists" or "Jews" (for those who call a spade a spade) are actually true, then I'm afraid they must be vastly superior to us. What the heck, join the winners! Let's convert to Judaism and rule the planet with them!!


Not all Jews are Zionists, not all Zionists are Jews. The rest of the paragraph reads like Rainman's big "coming out of the closet" moment over at Skadi where he basically admitted defeat and decided to join the winning team or at least, was seriously considering doing it.

Some people like to support "a winner" and will happily switch sides whenever it is convenient. Others stick to their principles, win or lose.

RoyBatty
07-06-2009, 07:32 PM
Some more on Soros's HRW and the Uighurs



On HRW’s web site, Director Roth criticized the U.S. for not opposing China more vigorously. Roth’s activities include the creation of the Tibetan Freedom Concert, a traveling propaganda project that toured the U.S. with major rock musicians, urging young people to support Tibet against China. 61 Tibet has been a pet project of the CIA for many years. 62

Roth has recently pressed for opposition to Chinese control over its oil-rich western province of Xinjiang. With the colonialist “divide and conquer” approach, Roth has tried to convince some of the Uighur religious minority in Xinjiang that the U.S/NATO intervention in Kosovo holds promise as a model for them. As late as August 2002, the U.S. government has given some support in this endeavor as well.


http://www.hellenesonline.com/go/2009/06/soros-philanthropist-spook-or-philanthropist-spook/3/


Naturally it's all a "Zionist Conspiracy Theory", I'm a "conspiracy nut", "Soros and Roth are obviously Muslims" etc etc etc :rolleyes2:

Loki
07-06-2009, 07:34 PM
The rest of the paragraph reads like Rainman's big "coming out of the closet" moment over at Skadi where he basically admitted defeat and decided to join the winning team or at least, was seriously considering doing it.

Some people like to support "a winner" and will happily switch sides whenever it is convenient. Others stick to their principles, win or lose.

I was using irony. Since I don't believe in all these conspiracy theories I obviously wouldn't join them.

Ask yourself the question though: If Jews/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to use for them, really are so smart, tough, successful and effective, then perhaps they are genetically superior. As with all things on earth, the fittest and best survives. Why support an ailing, pathetic crowd who seem to be totally ineffectual against the total onslaught of the Zionist monster? Seriously.

As for me, as I've told you I don't buy it. I don't believe in any such overarching Zionist ZOG world conspiracy at all. And hence I don't believe Jews/ZOG/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to call them, are superior.

There is a cancer in the "European preservationist" circles that is both making us look stupid, and devouring us from the inside. That cancer is Zionophobia/Anti-Semitism. It hasn't worked for Europeans in the '30s and '40s, and it won't work today. The only thing that will work today is an inward focus, rejection of conspiracy fantasy distractions, and hard work getting the real job done by networking, having babies and supporting each other properly.

Loki
07-06-2009, 07:46 PM
Some more on Soros's HRW and the Uighurs

http://www.hellenesonline.com/go/2009/06/soros-philanthropist-spook-or-philanthropist-spook/3/

Naturally it's all a "Zionist Conspiracy Theory", I'm a "conspiracy nut", "Soros and Roth are obviously Muslims" etc etc etc :rolleyes2:

This still is no proof that Soros was responsible - directly or indirectly - for these riots. Central Asians of Muslim heritage are returning to their religious roots of intolerance, violence and stupidity, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart. That is increasingly happening, with or without any "Zionist" influence at all. Islamicism is a force in itself.

RoyBatty
07-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Ask yourself the question though: If Jews/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to use for them, really are so smart, tough, successful and effective, then perhaps they are genetically superior. As with all things on earth, the fittest and best survives. Why support an ailing, pathetic crowd who seem to be totally ineffectual against the total onslaught of the Zionist monster? Seriously.



It's pointless looking at it from the angle that some or other "genetically superior culture" is taking another over. That's not quite how the game works.
There are groups of elites which includes Zionists. Obviously they are tough and smart, how else would they have climbed to the top of the power jungle in their respective regions? The Zionists often happen to be ringleaders (within these leadership groups) and high up. Not always of course but more often than not this is the case.

A number of the elites (from around the world) have pooled resources and have organised against the world's remaining Clans who are either their natural enemies or who are in their way or who control something they want.

We (meaning the general public) are their little pawns.



As for me, as I've told you I don't buy it. I don't believe in any such overarching Zionist ZOG world conspiracy at all. And hence I don't believe Jews/ZOG/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to call them, are superior.


If there's one thing I don't buy or believe in it is "democracy", "freedom" and "an equal opportunity for all" in our societies. That's not how things work.



There is a cancer in the "European preservationist" circles that is both making us look stupid, and devouring us from the inside. That cancer is Zionophobia/Anti-Semitism. It hasn't worked for Europeans in the '30s and '40s, and it won't work today.


One may as well add modern (rather successfully manufactured) Islamophobia and racism (which has always been there) to that list then. Why stop at anti-Semitism?



The only thing that will work today is an inward focus, rejection of conspiracy fantasy distractions, and hard work getting the real job done by networking, having babies and supporting each other properly.

I agree with the part about "helping one's neighbours and community". Regarding "conspiracy theories":

- The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia wasn't a "spontaneous uprising of the peasant masses against the Czar". It was organised and funded by powers in countries who believed that they had something to gain from the venture. Is this a conspiracy theory?

- The recent Orange Revolution in Ukraine was labelled by the Jewish owned Western Media as a "spontaneous uprising of the Ukrainian people" (after all, 1/2 of them are ethnic Russians) against their obviously corrupt government.

Let's be realistic for a minute, the opposition was particularly well funded and organised from the West while the Russians did a rather poor job on doing the same for their side. It's well known that the US State Dept, Intelligence Agencies and Soros's NGO's played a major role in supporting the then Orange opposition. There are those who would have one believe that saying this "is a conspiracy theory". That would be a strange claim to make since there already exists such a wealth of similar evidence and activities in other Eastern European countries.

- The Rose Revolution in Georgia was billed by the Western media as a "spontaneous uprising of the Georgian people" against their obviously corrupt then government. Again, it's wellknown and understood that this was another Soros / US organised stage production.

- The recent war in the Caucasus, where Saakashvili was encouraged to start a war against South Ossetia by his Western "friends" (and funded by them and armed with weaponry from their proxies) didn't "just happen because he's a little exiteable". The official version of events claims that either:

- Version 1: Russia started it (not even worth commenting on) :D
- Version 2: Saakashvili was "acting on his own and temporarily lost his mind"

Neither of those Western media versions are the truth. Of course, certain factions would have one believe that it's a "conspiracy theory" to claim that Saakashvili was coerced into his little misadventure but why is it a "conspiracy" when it is obvious that certain powers (countries and individuals and corporations) had obvious geopolitical and financial gains hinging on this project. Also, the fact that some of the NWO's leaders more or less spell out in their writings that control over Eurasia is their primary goal?


I could go on and on. The list of these types of events are endless. One could choose to believe that

- "uhm, according to The Sun that's what happened so it must be true" or that

- "errr, it was obviously a spontaneous or unrelated event" or one could look at the bigger picture and connect the dots. The trail is pretty obvious and it usually leads back to the same groups, countries and individuals who are mixed up in these intrigues. I don't recall seeing too many "Muslim" names amongst the organisers although they are frequently employed to do the monkeywork for Massa.

Based on the regularity with which "God's Chosen People" are directly connected to these types of events it's a bit of a stretch to call it a "conspiracy theory", particularly when there is plenty of evidence linking them, an obvious motive and gains to be made.

RoyBatty
07-06-2009, 08:54 PM
This still is no proof that Soros was responsible - directly or indirectly - for these riots. Central Asians of Muslim heritage are returning to their religious roots of intolerance, violence and stupidity, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart. That is increasingly happening, with or without any "Zionist" influence at all. Islamicism is a force in itself.

1 - I didn't claim it proved anything, it is unlikely that much of what is discussed here and elsewhere can be "proven". We simply don't have the resources.

2 - Soros has an established track record in organising "Colour Revolutions" in a number of countries. His organisation is a known Uighur sympathiser. There is every reason to believe that there are factions in the US (the Govt, the think tanks, the CFR etc etc) who would be very interested in destabilising this part of China as they have recently illustrated with their support for chaos and rioting in Tibet.

The article does show that one can reasonably connect Soros's NGO's with Uighur seperatist activities. Does it prove they are the primary mover? No it doesn't but judging by Soros's existing known track records in Eastern Europe it would be entirely plausible that he is involved in destabilising the region.

Ask yourself the question who are the exporters of the most radical forms of "Islam"? You do realise that Saudi Arabia is probably at the top of the list? You do realise that they just "happen" to be best friends with the US's and EU's political dynasties and elites? Does it not strike you as a little bit curious why the West's great "defenders against radical Islam" are so cozy with the very people they claim to be waging a "Crusade" against? Why the West uses them to arm and radicalise Islamic nutcases against Christians in other parts of Europe?

I know that those questions bother me. That's why I don't waste my time on "radial Islam Conspiracy Theories" about bearded freaks who want to make me face Mecca and take my beer away. The Islamos are the stooges, the patsies. They're not the organisers or bosses and much of this so-called "Islamic terror" is manufactured, just like the war on Iraq.

Sol Invictus
07-06-2009, 08:57 PM
See also this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1605) thread.

We can't afford to be complacent or plead ignorance on this anymore. It's time to start look for the truth rather than believing fairytales and boogieman stories. We're too old for that shit.

Osweo
07-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Central Asians of Muslim heritage are returning to their religious roots of intolerance, violence and stupidity, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart.
These features are not a historical part of Central Asian culture. I know several Kazakhs and Tajiks. It's a wholly new phenomenon for them, and not one that really 'suits' their general character. This is not some kind of atavism, as it might be more easy to say for Arabs or Pakistanis. It's something they're driven to by desperation, with the egging on of other players who don't give a rat's arse about them. Central Asia had the makings of one of the quietest places on earth, and then Beijing muscled in when Russia was distracted.

Islamicism is a force in itself.
From outside Eastern Turkestan.

SwordoftheVistula
07-06-2009, 09:23 PM
Jews tend to support groups and movements which are damaging to whites, but they couldn't have gotten anywhere if these anti-white movements (black power, pro-immigration, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, globalism) didn't exist.

In this case, they likely only are giving marginal support to the muslims, in order to add to their groups resumes as 'supporting minority rights' and to promote the idea that ethnic based states (as China is) shouldn't exist. Not enough to single-handedly spark it off.

Psychonaut
07-06-2009, 09:45 PM
Is it just me, or is it kind of embarrassing that a discussion of rioting in China has already turned into one about Jews?

Loki
07-06-2009, 09:51 PM
Is it just me, or is it kind of embarrassing that a discussion of rioting in China has already turned into one about Jews?

It's not just you. It's substandard, un-intelligent, downright embarrassing, and disappointing. I expect better from Apricians. This kind of thing happens on places like The Guardian and Stormfront. Not here, please.



In this case, they likely only are giving marginal support to the muslims, in order to add to their groups resumes as 'supporting minority rights' and to promote the idea that ethnic based states (as China is) shouldn't exist. Not enough to single-handedly spark it off.

My point exactly.

Loki
07-06-2009, 09:54 PM
We can't afford to be complacent or plead ignorance on this anymore. It's time to start look for the truth rather than believing fairytales and boogieman stories. We're too old for that shit.

Fascinating. This is like a professional Bigfoot hunter speaking out against the follies of cryptozoology.

SwordoftheVistula
07-06-2009, 10:14 PM
New thread for the off-topic stuff:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5906

Sol Invictus
07-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Fascinating. This is like a professional Bigfoot hunter speaking out against the follies of cryptozoology.

And why do you say that?

Zardoz
07-07-2009, 02:07 AM
Muslims like to kill, that's all they're good at. Islam has never produced anything helpful or beneficial to Humanity. I hope that the Chinese government comes down hard on these pigs.

Guapo
07-07-2009, 03:41 AM
This is entirely an internal Chinese issue and they should deal with it on their own or will the mighty NATO step in and fight for "freedom and democracy"!.Is there any oil in Xinjiang? ...http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=4259

SwordoftheVistula
07-07-2009, 04:51 AM
This is entirely an internal Chinese issue and they should deal with it on their own or will the mighty NATO step in and fight for "freedom and democracy"!.Is there any oil in Xinjiang? ...http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=4259

Kinda back on the 'off topic' stuff, but US/NATO is too stupid to 'fight for oil' as the conspiracy theory goes, despite golden opportunities in oil-rich nations like Nigeria, Venezuela, and Mexico which have recently descended into violent chaos. However, countries like Syria and Palestine with no oil manage to land themselves in the crosshairs, since they piss off Israel (along with oil-rich nations like Iran and Iraq).

Just saying, the conspiracy theories involving 'oil companies' etc are infinitely more absurd than those involving 'jews'.

Guapo
07-07-2009, 05:07 AM
Kinda back on the 'off topic' stuff, but US/NATO is too stupid to 'fight for oil' as the conspiracy theory goes, despite golden opportunities in oil-rich nations like Nigeria, Venezuela, and Mexico which have recently descended into violent chaos. However, countries like Syria and Palestine with no oil manage to land themselves in the crosshairs, since they piss off Israel (along with oil-rich nations like Iran and Iraq).

Just saying, the conspiracy theories involving 'oil companies' etc are infinitely more absurd than those involving 'jews'.

Interesting,never knew that fighting for oil was considered as a conspiracy theory. So does anyone here think they actually do fight for people's freedom and to install democratic institutions? What is the point of Nato nowadays? Now its really off-topic :D

SwordoftheVistula
07-07-2009, 05:42 AM
Interesting,never knew that fighting for oil was considered as a conspiracy theory.

In regards to Iraq and Afganistan, the 'war for oil' argument has considerably less factual support than other alleged rationales which are labled 'conspiracy theories', for example the one that the most well financed Washington DC lobby might not like a regime which offered $25k payout to the families of people who carried out suicide bombings against the country which said group lobbies on behalf of.



What is the point of Nato nowadays?

Approves stuff the American left won't support 'without international approval', but that the UN won't approve.

Finsterer Streiter
07-07-2009, 08:36 AM
China isn´t the epitome of human rights but they treat the Islamic plague right. They aren´t poisoned by political correct bullshit like our Western governments.

Lets face it: If there´re riots anywhere in the world...if there´s turmoil anywhere in the world...you can bet your ass on it that Muslims are involved. What the planet needs is a consequent approach to reduce the Islamic influence and insolence everywhere.

The obtrusive self-pitying and whining of Islamic folks must break up. We must frustrate all their hopes of an "Islamic" world. By any suitable means, by politics and steel.

Loki
07-07-2009, 08:43 AM
And why do you say that?

What I mean, is that it's kind of ironic for a Truther and Zionophobe to say things like that. :)



It's time to start look for the truth rather than believing fairytales and boogieman stories. We're too old for that shit.


It's nothing personal mate, I respect your views, I just found it a bit ironic.

Guapo
07-08-2009, 04:11 AM
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=385&pid=0&sid=1710941&page=2


"They said the crowds were stirred up by U.S.-exiled Uighur activist Rebiya Kadeer and her overseas followers, who used the Internet to spread rumours."


muslims are already considered as "victims" and Chinese as "bloodthristy" in the media


Sobbing Muslim women scuffled with riot police, and Chinese men wielding steel pipes and meat cleavers rampaged through the streets

Sol Invictus
07-08-2009, 04:29 AM
What I mean, is that it's kind of ironic for a Truther and Zionophobe to say things like that. :)

As a Truther, I would like to see how it would be possible for us to discount any involvement the Globalists (Who just happen to be mostly comprised of Jews, Raum Emmanuel, for example, who was an IDF thug, who is pushing for the establishment taddle-tale squads and Stasi youth brigades in America, and the dis-arming of Nationalists) had in 9/11. Unlike many people, I am not afraid of being labelled a Nazi or being politically incorrect, because I tell it how it is, and people should grow a backbone and stand true to themselves rather than be afraid of being labelled by people who just don't quite get it.

Sol Invictus
07-08-2009, 04:45 AM
and Chinese as "bloodthristy" in the media

I'd like to see how anyone can dispute this. These people drag political dissidents off in the middle of the night in prison cars, execute them with automatic weapons, and throw their bodies of the side of a cliff. Or how about their "1 child policy". How they force doctors to turn their children over to the state for having the audacity of having more than one child, and sell them over the international market where they inevitably end up in homes like Angelina Jolie's and other do-gooders' homes over here in North America and Europe when they should be living in their own country, with their own family, with their own people. But we're willing to overlook all this because we're all willy-nilly about Muslims still.

Loki
07-08-2009, 09:54 AM
As a Truther, I would like to see how it would be possible for us to discount any involvement the Globalists (Who just happen to be mostly comprised of Jews, Raum Emmanuel, for example, who was an IDF thug, who is pushing for the establishment taddle-tale squads and Stasi youth brigades in America, and the dis-arming of Nationalists) had in 9/11. Unlike many people, I am not afraid of being labelled a Nazi or being politically incorrect, because I tell it how it is, and people should grow a backbone and stand true to themselves rather than be afraid of being labelled by people who just don't quite get it.

I'm not afraid of any such thing. But following ideas just for the sake of being labelled - that I consider stupid. It's the truth I'm concerned with, after all. Not fairytales. I do like some fiction at the right time, though. As I've told you before I like reading stories about Bigfoot, and really hope it exists. ;)

SwordoftheVistula
07-08-2009, 10:20 AM
How they force doctors to turn their children over to the state for having the audacity of having more than one child, and sell them over the international market where they inevitably end up in homes like Angelina Jolie's and other do-gooders' homes over here in North America and Europe when they should be living in their own country.

China is supposedly one of the harder countries for westerners to adopt from, because their government throws up a bunch of bureaucracy. The one child policy was necessary for them thanks to a reverse policy by Mao to purposely grow the rural peasant population at a high rate, they've been able to make progress by cornering a large part of the world's manufacturing but they still can't find jobs for everyone, something needed to be done to stop the population growth. On the other hand, 3rd world nations which did nothing to contain population growth continue to be mired in poverty.

Tony
07-09-2009, 10:22 PM
Did you ever notice that wherever Muslims are in the world, there is violence? Religion of Peace.
Right , means they have balls for sure , it's been almost 15 years that Muslism are protesting , both peacefully and violently to protect their own identity just like the Tibetans , in the last census for the first time Chinese Han surpassed Uygurs as the most numerous ethnic group , that's an ethic cleansing throu forced immigration/colonization.
I don't like muslims but in this case I blame the chinese commie regime.

Brännvin
07-09-2009, 10:29 PM
Yep, this is just lebensraum with a different flavor. Han and Uyghurs are two distinct ethnicities for what matter, and many that is not much to do with religion but to ethnic clash in addition to Han Chinese expansion to Central Asia..

Æmeric
07-09-2009, 11:12 PM
For anyone who was unaware, Uighur is pronounced whigger. Frankly I couldn't give less of a damn what goes on in Uighurstan. Talk about the absolute middle-of-nowhere.:rolleyes:

I have resisted the urge to comment on the chosen peoples possible involvement.:thumbs up