Jews, in relation to European ethnic preservation, are:

[SwordoftheVistula]

1. Jews are the primary opponents of whites, and must always be opposed no matter what. Everything from Disney movies to Atlas Shrugged should be shunned. If Rwandans start slaughtering eachother again and one group appears to be encouraged by a group which has some jewish members or leaders, then we should support the other side.


2. Jews are one of the strongest, or perhaps the strongest opponent, but far from the only one. Anti-jewish forces should be marginally supported when it does not overtly impede white interests (example: Ahmedinijad), but in some cases we should work with jewish interests against mutual foes (example: the former black nationalist Atlanta Congresswoman who was recently arrested in Israel). Works by some jews such as Ayn Rand (author known for anti-bolshevik and anti-Christian positions), Michael Savage (American radio presenter recently banned from the UK), but one should keep an eye out for jewish influences and be aware for potential bias and propaganda which may or may not be present.

3. Jews are a minor opponent, not as serious as others such as blacks, muslims, and hispanics. They are small in number and not very violent. Let me know next time a jew steals your car stereo or threatens you for being in 'their' neighborhood.

4. Jews have created trouble in the past, but are now allies of European ethnicities because we both face mutual opponents of the mass of third world hordes. Emphasis should be made to work with them in areas of mutual interest such as employment discrimination (affirmative action, etc), Islamic immigration and the terror threat it poses, and so on. Israel is a first-world outpost against the third world, and therefore should be supported.

5. Jews are just another white group like Italians, Greeks, Spanish, and Portuguese. Just like these other groups used to be regarded as nonwhite, but today are, the same progress must be made for jews. In the post-Christian world, there is no longer any rationale to consider them 'nonwhite' anymore than it is to consider Catholic or Orthodox Christian ethnicities as 'nonwhite'.

Jews are not a problem at all, alone per se. The true evils which threaten us all the ideologies of socialism, feminism, multiculturalism. If jews seem predisposed to these ideologies, it is because of socioeconomic factors and mainly because of past anti-semitism by nationalist parties and groups. More outreach is needed to show we are no longer opposed to jewish interests, and greater recruitment efforts are needed.


6. Lazy cop-out option

[Loki]

A formidable opponent, but far from the only threat

[Laudanum]

A formidable opponent, but far from the only threat

I agree with you.;) Jews are enemies of our culture, but there are many other enemies.

[Vargtand]

A minor opponent which pales in comparison to some others, Jews are not a threat to our populations, they at least as far as I know tend not to mix, and they make out such a small minority (again at least here) that they could easily be absorbed if they tried to breed with us.

That is basically how I view them.

[DarkZarathustra]

Conflict between MiddleEast (Jews) race and Nordid (European's) race is eternal.
Reconciliation is not possible and is not needed to both sides.

[anonymaus]

Options x and z:

x) The only civilized ethnic group successful at forming a modern ethnostate and having the chutzpah to maintain it in spite of all opposition; opposition, even, from those who claim they want the same status for their own ethnocultural group.

z) (as per OP:) "An ethnic group like any other" but, for various reasons, inspiring in others a sociopathic obsession with it as a collective; a group whose status as an object of obsessive and paranoid behaviour speaks volumes about those who are afflicted by this illness rather than the group itself.

[Skandi]

^What he said,
We could learn a lot from them, and we had better learn fast.

[DarkZarathustra]

^What he said,
We could learn a lot from them, and we had better learn fast.
We have got our own what to learn, just don't be Mankurt's...

[Cato]

Allies, but this doesn't apply to sell-out Jews like Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer. I mean the Jews like the late Meir Kahane or Chaim ben Pesach (a follower of Kahane's). These Jews are in the extreme minority and, I'd daresay, natural allies of nationalists of every sort. As one of their medieval sages, Rashi, commented thusly:

When God divided the earth among the peoples, he gave every nation specific boundaries, so that each people might retain its particular identity.

I don't want to hold hands and intermingle with these Jews, no more than they'd want to hold hands and intermingle with whites, but these well-educated ones understand the idea of an ethnic identity and some of them are very sympathetic to the downfall of the western, Christian identity. Chaim ben Pesach has large areas of his website (jewsagainstobama.com, or the Jewish Task Force) devoted to what he calls "righteous right-wing Gentiles," the modern equivalent of the term godfearer that was used in Greco-Roman times for pagans who chummed with the Jews.

I've got nothing against Jews like this, only the slimey ones like the two I mentioned above (Frank and Schumer).

[Birka]

I believe the international bankers control the IMF, the Federal Reserve Bank and control the worlds monetary supply. These bankers are mostly Jewish, led by the Rothchilds, but other nasty people like George Soros and Henry Kissinger. These are the most dangerous people, and we need to keep an eye on their doings.

They probably started this worldwide recession, like they started others. The more instability in the world, the more they gain. They always make money on war, and try to name a period where there was not some war going on somewhere in the world.

They are behind the one world multicultural movement, which they see themselves as the new glorious leaders.

I believe that they are the puppet masters, the last two American puppets were G. W. Bush and now the Ombongo.

[Cato]

I believe the international bankers control the IMF, the Federal Reserve Bank and control the worlds monetary supply. These bankers are mostly Jewish, led by the Rothchilds, but other nasty people like George Soros and Henry Kissinger. These are the most dangerous people, and we need to keep an eye on their doings.

These are the Jews that I was thinking off, the secularist rabble that's disassociated itself from its historical and religious past. But, these Jews are no different than Europeans who've done the same thing.

[Tabiti]

Voted for "A formidable opponent, but far from the only threat", because the biggest threat is in ourselves, unfortunately. Searching for "absolute enemies" and blaming them for all our miseries, instead of looking into ourselves first, is just propaganda for the lower states of society.
However, mass medias, banks and corporations are majority ruled by people of jewish origin, which is a well known fact. But we are those who let them rule, aren't?
On the other hand jews also have their elite and ordinary puppets. I don't think that ones living in Israel are the most happy and satisfied people ever or a threat for us at all.

[jerney]

I think people who obsess over Jews are a bigger threat.

[Brännvin]

I have a very neutral atitute toward the Jews that I rather not say, I do not love nor hate them too, indeed I don't care to them at all.. but I agree that all the paranoid members of any ethnicity are the greatest threat..

[Loki]

Obsession with Jews in Nationalist and Preservationist circles is a disease; a cancer, that immobilizes us and keeps us from moving forward by focusing on things that actually matter. Hence my strong stance on this on the forum. It's not that I am pro-Jewish - that I certainly am not (I actually dislike them quite a bit) - but I want to promote positive preservationism on here, based on respect, truth, honour, integrity, realism and intelligence.

[Finsterer Streiter]

Jews are a minor opponent. Jewish influence was obsolete if our own kindred wouldn´t be that interspersed with traitors and agitators against the own people. Their influence is disproportional because they´re allowed to by us, simple as that.

Primary opponents are both the Muslims and the traitors in our own rows. Getting rid of them will make the Jews coming down to earth and reduce any influence to a proper extend, in proportion to their low quantity.

[Tabiti]

Most use jews just to excuse their bad behavior, positions and reputation in society. For instance, I know a guy who didn't finish high school, because "the whole educational system was controlled by jews".
I don't say the society isn't corrupted and you should be everyone's favorite, but being trash is totally different from being misunderstood outsider with own views.

[Tony]

A formidable opponent, but far from the only threat.

Far from being a minor opponent , just think of it , who in the West has been able to promote Hate Crime Laws and other bills against revisionism and negationism about the Shoah thing?only Jews and that's definitely the proof of their disproportioned power.
In US wich is the only nation against wich the boycott is legally forbidden?
guessed right , Israel , what a coincidence...

The problem is Jews still mantain a strong ethnic identiy and a clannish attitude , they help each other in business , jobs and everything else while we Westerners are no longer aware of our racial consiusness and that's why they (almost) always win and we (almost) always loose when our interests collide , think of immigration issue for example , generally in the whole western world perhaps 1 or at most 4 Jews out of 100 would be against immigration while the very strong majority are pro , because they perfeclty know that the more multiracial a society is the less likely they would be singled out and "persecuted".

Read the trilogy of Kevin McDonald-

Of course there are the Muslims too , they are by far more numerous but are more naive and stupid , it's been the Jews who mostly turned our western countries in lobotomized societies made up of people who idolatrize gays , "tolerance" , drugs and any else sort of perversity.

[Kempenzoon]

it's been the Jews who mostly turned our western countries in lobotomized societies made up of people who idolatrize gays , "tolerance" , drugs and any else sort of perversity

Actually I'd argue it's the white traitors that have turned society around that way.

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Though yeah, I do believe Jews have too much power in Europe and the US, and are our enemy, I also believe they're just a minor enemy. They only have the power and influence we give them. Nationalising all their property would be a good start.

But mostly, jews aren't running around burning cars, raping European women or looting stores though, so I still refuse to see them as the biggest threat.

[Laudanum]

Can someone explain me why some people here see the Jews as allies? Ok, I might understand you do not hate them, or have anything against them, but why allies? Jews don't belong in Europe, and they have lots of power here. They are non-europeans with lots of power. So why would you call them allies? Please explain.

[Brännvin]

But mostly, jews aren't running around burning cars, raping European women or looting stores though, so I still refuse to see them as the biggest threat.

Well, why you and your society are leaving them to do this, alright? And the media that ignores it, is not guilty too? ;)

[Cato]

They are non-europeans with lots of power.

That's a rather broad statement, as if every Jew in the world belongs to the same group of power-mongering, all-pervasive but little-known, Zionists.

[Kempenzoon]

you and your society are leaving them to do this, alright?

I'm not just "leaving them to do this". I don't have the power to do anything about it since we don't have the freedom to own fire arms and don't have a wonderful law like the "Castle Doctrine" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine_in_the_United_States) like the whites in the USA. If I were to shoot one of those subhuman muslim immigrants here I'd get about 10-15 years for murder, plus a few more for doing so with an illegally owned weapon. What good would I be doing to society that way?

The traitors who run the judicial department and the police force are the ones to blame, and they're not jews.

[Laudanum]

That's a rather broad statement, as if every Jew in the world belongs to the same group of power-mongering, all-pervasive but little-known, Zionists.

No, i'm not talking about Zionists. I just mean a lot of Jews, and i'm not talking about any conspiracy, like ZOG, because I don't believe in that. I was talking about all the Jews who have very high functions in a lot of jobs. But my actual point is: Jews don't belong here. If muslims would behave normal, would we let them stay here? I wouldn't.

[Cato]

People are too hung up on the Jews, as if every evil in the world, and in white society in particular, can be tossed into the lap of a slinking, evil Jewish caricature. Like this..

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2009/stereotype-jew.gif

[Cato]

People are too hung up on the Jews, as if every evil in the world, and in white society in particular, can be tossed into the lap of a slinking, evil Jewish caricature. Like this..

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2009/stereotype-jew.gif

Whites like this are the flip side of blacks who blame all of their problems on "whitey." (Oops.. This should've been attached to the post above.)

[sturmwalkure]

Jews are a threat, but not the threat.

[Laudanum]

Whites like this are the flip side of blacks who blame all of their problems on "whitey." (Oops.. This should've been attached to the post above.)

But don't you think that anyone in Europe who is not European by blood could be a danger to our culture?

And I do not see the jews like on that caricature picture. I also do not see them as the number one threat.

[Útrám]

The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world, and don't you question my scapegoating!

[Thorum]

Can someone explain me why some people here see the Jews as allies?

I think it is best summed up in the opening post, #4.

"...because we both face mutual opponents of the mass of third world hordes. Emphasis should be made to work with them in areas of mutual interest such as...Islamic immigration and the terror threat it poses, and so on. Israel is a first-world outpost against the third world, and therefore should be supported."

[Laudanum]

I think it is best summed up in the opening post, #4.

"...because we both face mutual opponents of the mass of third world hordes. Emphasis should be made to work with them in areas of mutual interest such as...Islamic immigration and the terror threat it poses, and so on. Israel is a first-world outpost against the third world, and therefore should be supported."

Well, I still don't agree with you, but I can understand your opinion.

But I was talking about Jews in Europe, not Jews in Israel.

[Brännvin]

I'm not just "leaving them to do this". I don't have the power to do anything about it since we don't have the freedom to own fire arms and don't have a wonderful law like the "Castle Doctrine" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine_in_the_United_States) like the whites in the USA.

I don't care to "whites" in US, just live your reality trying to change it, but back to the question you have the capacity to vote, to act in local movements against the presence of immigrants in their city or area or create their own alternative media, or am I wrong?



If I were to shoot one of those subhuman muslim immigrants here I'd get about 10-15 years for murder, plus a few more for doing so with an illegally owned weapon. What good would I be doing to society that way?

Where I say or claim anything related to this?



The traitors who run the judicial department and the police force are the ones to blame, and they're not jews.

Why the paranoia about the Jews where I mentioned them in my post above?

Doing nothing and just grunt, it is also high treason.

[Cato]

But don't you think that anyone in Europe who is not European by blood could be a danger to our culture?

And I do not see the jews like on that caricature picture. I also do not see them as the number one threat.

Jews have been present in Europe since before there was a Europe, going back to Greco-Roman times. The historic presence of Jews in Europe, or pre-Europe Europe, can't be denied, unless the reports of Cicero, Dio Cassius, etc. on Romans "adopting Jewish manners" are false.

Sure, they haven't always been a model minority, and some of the biggest agitators are secular Jews (or godless, since the Jews have always prided themselves on their religion), but I'm not talking about heaps of trash like that (or fruitcakes like the Chabad Lubavitch bunch that see Gentiles as merely squires or serfs to their Jewish nobility). At least as far as the U.S. goes, I only need to look at the history of, say, Jews in the U.S. Civil War (on both sides) or in WW2 to say that lots of these much-maligned fellows have fought and died for the American republic (just like there have been brave blacks, brave Asians, and so on).

Just because I feel this way doesn't mean I want to put on a prayer shawl and a yarmulke and start praising Theodore Herschel (no more than I want to throw a fist in the air and praise Marcus Garvey) and singing hymns to Eretz Israel.

At the very least, the fact that many Jews are opposed to Islam ought to make some whites think again.

[Kempenzoon]

just live your reality trying to change it, but back to the question you have the capacity to vote, to act in local movements against the presence of immigrants in their city or area or create their own alternative media, or am I wrong?

Who are you to claim I don't do any of those things? I vote for the nationalist perspective every time. I'm active in more than one movement, ranging from heathen organisations to nationalist activism, to just regular medieval re-enactment and traditional passtimes. And I've collaborated before on local alternative media such as a student newspaper and helped some friends set up an independent radio show (I don't have the right voice for radio, but luckily there's more people behind those shows than just the speakers).

I've been engaged to change my reality ever since I've grown to be an adult. You probably know what's said about people who ass-u-me, so try not to do that.

[Sarmata]

Jews were citizens of my country for almost one thousand years:eek: but they didn't integrated with my folk or with any European Nation. Moreover they were always "fifth column",traitors I will always remembered my Grandfathers tale how they welcomed soviet agressors in 1939...I'm quite sure that if not 2WW becouse of them, and ofcourse their Soviet or American protectors fate of Palestinians will be fate of Poles now. So minor or major Jews were, are and will be enemy of my people.

[Cato]

Jews were citizens of my country for almost one thousand years:eek: but they didn't integrated with my folk or with any European Nation. Moreover they were always "fifth column",traitors I will always remembered my Grandfathers tale how they welcomed soviet agressors in 1939...I'm quite sure that if not 2WW becouse of them, and ofcourse their Soviet or American protectors fate of Palestinians will be fate of Poles now. So minor or major Jews were, are and will be enemy of my people.

One the one hand, you admit that Jews were citizens of Poland for a millenium, yet you assume that they were all fifth column types. Does your dislike of the Jews stem from the acts of the Jews themselves or, perhaps, the longstanding Judeophobia and fear of Judaizers and philosemites that Christendom has been plagued with since the inception of the religion? The doors swing both ways, and Christians have been guilty of some very real acts of brutality against the Jews.

Not that Jews are as pure as the wind-driven snow (the presence of Jews en masse amongst the Bolsheviks needs no comment, but not every Jew was/is a communist any more than every white was/is a Nazi) but all of this fearmongering and hate for the Jews is patently ridiculous.

[Óttar]

At the very least, the fact that many Jews are opposed to Islam ought to make some whites think again.

Which I think is strange when one puts aside the fact that Jews were among Muhammad's enemies, because I've always thought of Islam as basically Arabic Judaism + Muhammad.

[Cato]

Which I think is strange when one puts aside the fact that Jews were among Muhammad's enemies, because I've always thought of Islam as basically Arabic Judaism + Muhammad.

I think he tried to pass himself off as a prophet, but the Arabic Jews thought Muhammad was a loon.

[Óttar]

I think he tried to pass himself off as a prophet, but the Arabic Jews thought Muhammad was a loon.

I don't blame them. Why they should have thought anything different is beyond me.

[Cato]

I don't blame them. Why they should have thought anything different is beyond me.

To the Jews, prophecy ended when the temple was sacked by the Romans. Then the age of scholarly commentary began or somesuch. Also, to the Jews, Moses is the greatest of all prophets. Yet, here's this illiterate Arab trying to pass himself off as the "seal of the prophets" to the Jews, who've clung to their ancestral doctrines like a drowning man clings to a life preserver. The teaching of a doctrine that co-opts the place of the Jews in God's eyes, call him Allah or Jehovah, and gives it to a backwards bunch of fomerly Arab polytheists... Well, you can see where the Jews would flatly reject the "seal of the prophets" and decide to stick with Moses' religion instead.

[Jägerstaffel]

To me; I don't think they have anything to do with European ethnic preservation.

I think each people should work to preserve it's independent and idiosyncratic expressions, traditions and cultures. This should be done by strengthening our own values and how we view our own heritage.

It's too simplified to write other peoples off as a threat. They don't all operate as a hive-mind for some Globalist Zionist organization bent on the terrible destruction of the Europeans. They're just people like us, albeit with a different culture and heritage.

No race is the ENEMY of the European. The real 'enemy' to the theory of European preservation is that people do not spread their heritage and values to their children and their children are all merging into a global culture, which is not the result of some evil organization but is more of the result of an ever-spreading connection between the economies of the world.

It concerns me to see threads like this on this forum.

[Sarmata]

One the one hand, you admit that Jews were citizens of Poland for a millenium, yet you assume that they were all fifth column types. Does your dislike of the Jews stem from the acts of the Jews themselves or, perhaps, the longstanding Judeophobia and fear of Judaizers and philosemites that Christendom has been plagued with since the inception of the religion? The doors swing both ways, and Christians have been guilty of some very real acts of brutality against the Jews.

Not that Jews are as pure as the wind-driven snow (the presence of Jews en masse amongst the Bolsheviks needs no comment, but not every Jew was/is a communist any more than every white was/is a Nazi) but all of this fearmongering and hate for the Jews is patently ridiculous.


I don't know why, when I speak( about people which are oponents to my Nation and familly , some must use magic word "phobia". Homophobia, Judeophobia, Xenophobia...it's all worthless words used in PC propaganda and spoke in media everyday. I fear no one of them.
I can tell you why Jews are enemies, the reason is their religion and ideology of jewish master race oposite to Goys(inferior race). Thats why they didn't integrate with us. Polish:rolleyes: jews create their own mythology how they intronized our first dynasty and claimed that name of my country comes from Hebrew "Polin":eek:. It was all preludium to create from Poland second Israel.
Not all Jews were communists ofcourse... descendants of jewish Stalins servants are capitalists now..,
I'm not like Julius Streicher for instance but I know history of my country and authentic relations of my familly members about Jews, probably not every Jew is evil but they're enemies of my Nation in general. Just look at their insolent lies about "Polish concentration camps" and "Polish nazis"(Lies shared in Jewish community in the West). Watch movies like "Defiance" about Jewish "heroes" Bielskis brothers who murdered Polish people in 2WW period. It's all prove how they hate us Poles/Slavs, even more than Germans...

[Brynhild]

I voted #3, but I really believe that we're our own worst enemy if we continue to obsess over them - at the expense of focussing on our own preservation, what's left of it. Aside from our own apathy, I'd be more concerned about the Moslems.

[Cato]

I don't know why, when I speak( about people which are oponents to my Nation and familly , some must use magic word "phobia". Homophobia, Judeophobia, Xenophobia...it's all worthless words used in PC propaganda and spoke in media everyday. I fear no one of them.
I can tell you why Jews are enemies, the reason is their religion and ideology of jewish master race oposite to Goys(inferior race). Thats why they didn't integrate with us. Polish:rolleyes: jews create their own mythology how they intronized our first dynasty and claimed that name of my country comes from Hebrew "Polin":eek:. It was all preludium to create from Poland second Israel.
Not all Jews were communists ofcourse... descendants of jewish Stalins servants are capitalists now..,
I'm not like Julius Streicher for instance but I know history of my country and authentic relations of my familly members about Jews, probably not every Jew is evil but they're enemies of my Nation in general. Just look at their insolent lies about "Polish concentration camps" and "Polish nazis"(Lies shared in Jewish community in the West). Watch movies like "Defiance" about Jewish "heroes" Bielskis brothers who murdered Polish people in 2WW period. It's all prove how they hate us Poles/Slavs, even more than Germans...

Grumbling about Jews and Jewish perfidy makes about as much sense as grumbling about those damned darkys, injuns, sambos and wetbacks. Ethnic groups don't get a long as often as they get along. Just look at the ethnic violence in western China between the Han Chinese and the Uighurs or the dislike that many Japanese have for Koreans.

Phobia implies an aversion, dislike and so on. Many people have a phobia of the Jews, just as many people have philia (love) for the Jews. An example of Judeophiles are certain evangelical ass-kissers in the U.S. or the people that downplay the role of the Jews in the African slave trade (as if it's all whitey's fault, neverminding that it was really begun by the Muslims).

While I, personally, have never met a Jew that considers me to be a subhuman I've met plenty of whites who consider Jews (among others) to be inferior creatures. This is completely embarrassing and even comical to witness.

[Aliandrin]

I would probably vote for the first option if not for China.

[Óttar]

Well, you can see where the Jews would flatly reject the "seal of the prophets" and decide to stick with Moses' religion instead.

Yea, Verily. I agree, why didn't Muhammad just convert the Arabs to Judaism?

The hanif (primitive Arabian monotheism) was essentially Jewish.


:confused:

[Fortis in Arduis]

There is no one single Jewish political entity, so I cannot see 'them' as an opponent. I tend towards seeing them as just like any other European derived group, except that they are not, as the Jewish people includes people who are not European at all.

Nevertheless, they are just another ethnic group, and politically diverse, although they have, understandably, played a major role in the landless, anti-national economic systems of international capitalism and communism.

Nationalist-Zionism is to be encouraged as a counter balance to our mutual enemies.

[Cato]

Yea, Verily. I agree, why didn't Muhammad just convert the Arabs to Judaism?

The hanif (primitive Arabian monotheism) was essentially Jewish.


:confused:

Or primitive Arabian religion was reinvented as monotheism by the Arabs, rather like how the Jews whitewash their polytheistic past by saying that their ancestors, originally monotheists, backslided into paganism. :rolleyes:

[Æmeric]

Jews are not a demographic threat like Mexicans, Chinese or Arabs but.... wherever they go they become disproportionately powerful. They act as a cabal. They may not all agree on every issue but will ban together because of their Jewishness. Jews flock to positions of influence, the gatekeeper positions in socisty. Finance, media, law, academia, politics... they want to dominate the rest of society wherever they settle. This is especially true in the US. They dictate domestic & foreign policy in Washington. What do you think accounts for the US suipport of Israel, no matter how irrational it is.

Jews are opposed to preservation of the various European ethnicities & the various Europid settler communities around the globe. Not focusing (or obsessing as some would call it :rolleyes:) on their group policies that have negative consequences for the longterm survival of Europid socisties will not make they anymore receptive to our right to pursue preservation for our own folk.

[Loki]

Jews are opposed to preservation of the various European ethnicities & the various Europid settler communities around the globe.

This is a fairly broad and generalized statement, and almost certainly untrue taken at face value. *Some* Jews are, yes, but I'd wager that the majority of Jews are not opposed to European preservation at all, and would even support it. There is such a thing as the "Political Jew" -- the ones who have attained media power and engage in active lobbying. This is especially true in America. It's unfair to tar an entire ethnicity/religion with the same brush though. I've met Jews in London at my workplaces who were very pro-European and anti-immigration -- and who do not support current societal trends.

[Allenson]

There is such a thing as the "Political Jew" -- the ones who have attained media power and engage in active lobbying. This is especially true in America.

It's pretty awful here actually. I really am not much one for Jewish world domination conspiracies...but I swear, every corner I turn there's a Jew in a high position of power, disproportionate in numbers to their overall population. And, it rarely seems as if they have the gentile European-derived populace in mind. They are either raging liberals concerned with the welfare (literally) of the 'minority' groups or they're hawkish neocons sending Americans to die for Isreal.

It really is a strange situation.

[Cato]

The issue of Jews is largely moot, mainly because I doubt there are few enough Jews who agree with us who'd want to rub elbows with us. With a few exceptions, like the jewsagainstobama.com guys, who'd also put a Jewish spin on things, I'd say the aforementioned "political" Jews are, indeed, an enemy- a deadly enemy and not just of whites but of every distinct group in the world that doesn't by into the multicultural claptrap that they seem to push (even while emphasizing that only Jews belong in Israel).

I've had friendly relations with some Jews, online and offline, but there seems to be this subtle belief that they've got, even the friendly ones, that non-Jews have to live up to the standards set by Biblegod and recognize the uniqueness of the Jewish people. Those are the ass-kissers that do that for the most part, but in areas where Jews and whites agree, truly agree from a socio-political standpoint, there's enough common ground to be had to avoid messy theological arguments.

For example, some of the biggest opponents of Islam are:

Jews, not the sell-outs, but the right-wingers.

Christians, almost always of white European background. This also includes people who aren't Christian but who come from Christianized countries.

Hindus, again the right-wingers, who seem to hate Muslims as much or more than the hardcore Jews.

If ever there were three groups that had a bone to pick with the Muslims, it's the above three and, while you'd be hard-pressed to marry a Jew or a Hindu, what's wrong with reaching an understanding with either of them where it relates to opposing Islam?

[Tony]

Jews are fine until you dare to speak up about white interests , but 'till you claim to be liberal or pro-immigration or anti-muslim , anti-Amadinejad and so on I'd say yes , we ca get along with them , but it's like a relationship between a serf and his master , we don't have to get along , we have to declare our whiteness , to be openly proud about our European history and moreover we as free Westerners shouldn't be afraid of being imprisoned for having questioned the holocaust issue , since we are a democracy right?
my hometown council has passed last year , totally unplublicized , a bill to provide its long settled jewish community a free circumcision , and set up 200,000€ for that.
Of course here the Jews don't "cause problems" like the other immigrants one would say but still a problem is , that it is a goym to jew relationship and I can't stand it.

[Cato]

A few brave Jews, like Israel Shamir, are very outspoken about the these kinds of double-standards:

The shabbiness of the Holocaust cult and the ease of its victories in sucking billions is solid proof of the real power behind this industry. This power is obscure, unseen, ineffable, but quite real. It is not a power derived from the Holocaust, but rather, the Holocaust cult is a display of raw muscle by those who wield real power. That is why all efforts of the revisionists are doomed. The people, who promote the cult, could promote anything, as they dominate all public discourse. The Holocaust cult is just a small manifestation of their abilities.

Sourced from: http://www.nilemedia.com/Columnists/Israel_Shamir/2001/March/vampire_killers.html

A Jew like Shamir is called of all things, an antisemite by his fellow Jews, merely for pointing out Jewish particularism and the tendency of many Jews to cry wolf. There's a certain school of thought, which is utterly repulsive to the political Jews, that the Holocaust happened because the Jews in Europe had abandoned Jehovah for false gods, namely Marx (communisn) and Herschel (zionism). Jehovah sent calamities upon the Jews in ancient times, so their own writings tell, even situations of near-genocide. From this perspective, it's "God's will" that the Nazi genocide happened, as a measure of punishment on the sinful Jews. Quite ghoulish, but also in keeping with Jehovah's character as a jealous and vengeful fellow.

[SwordoftheVistula]

This is a fairly broad and generalized statement, and almost certainly untrue taken at face value. *Some* Jews are, yes, but I'd wager that the majority of Jews are not opposed to European preservation at all, and would even support it.

It's the ones who aren't in that who are the rarity. Not everyone of them might be out with a sign in the streets every weekend, but most of them support groups which favor more immigration and diversity, and ones who oppose immigration are viewed as a 'black sheep' in the jewish community.

Even the ones I know from school/work who say 'racist' things periodically, when push comes to shove they support more immigration, affirmative action, more rights for criminals/prisoners, and so on. Even if they do get sick of the antics of blacks, the alternative of a white Christian majority on the rampage is far, far worse in their eyes.

[Fortis in Arduis]

It's the ones who aren't in that who are the rarity. Not everyone of them might be out with a sign in the streets every weekend, but most of them support groups which favor more immigration and diversity, and ones who oppose immigration are viewed as a 'black sheep' in the jewish community.

Even the ones I know from school/work who say 'racist' things periodically, when push comes to shove they support more immigration, affirmative action, more rights for criminals/prisoners, and so on. Even if they do get sick of the antics of blacks, the alternative of a white Christian majority on the rampage is far, far worse in their eyes.

Just like 'whitey', really.

Politically diverse, but mostly liberal.

Do we tar all 'white' people with the same brush, or suggest that somehow, 'white' people are irredeemable and can never be trusted, and that their nationalism is doomed to failure etc. etc. ?

[SwordoftheVistula]

Just like 'whitey', really.

Politically diverse, but mostly liberal.

Do we tar all 'white' people with the same brush, or suggest that somehow, 'white' people are irredeemable and can never be trusted, and that their nationalism is doomed to failure etc. etc. ?

They aren't really 'diverse', and white people are not 'mostly liberal', at least in the US.

For example, they supported Obama by a 3.5-1 margin, higher than any other racial group aside from blacks, despite McCain being perhaps the most pro-Israel candidate in history and Obama being the most anti-Israel candidate since Carter:

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[SouthernBoy]

I voted "Allies."

[Fortis in Arduis]

They aren't really 'diverse', and white people are not 'mostly liberal', at least in the US.

For example, they supported Obama by a 3.5-1 margin, higher than any other racial group aside from blacks, despite McCain being perhaps the most pro-Israel candidate in history and Obama being the most anti-Israel candidate since Carter.

Perhaps proving that the diaspora is not terribly Zionistic?

By liberal I mean non-nationalist in economic and social terms. By that definition most 'white' people are liberals.

[Æmeric]

I voted "Allies."

Why? They really dislike Evangelical Christians in spite of the fact that Evangelicals are big supporters of Israel.

[Cato]

I'd consider them to be conditional allies, and only Jews of a certain type. The rest of them can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Perhaps proving that the diaspora is not terribly Zionistic?

Oh, they're Zionistic alright, perhaps in some ways more than actual Israelis. Even the 'liberal' jewish people I know or have met are very supportive of Israel.

[Fred]

Have nothing particularly for or against Israelis vis a vis Germans, whether one is Jew or Christian, but the atheists of both are repulsive.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Have nothing particularly for or against Israelis vis a vis Germans, whether one is Jew or Christian, but the atheists of both are repulsive.

Absolutely right!

Atheist Germans and Jewish-Israelis can just enjoy being the miserable neurotic soulless robots that they are, for all I care.

[Rusalka]

Jews, in relation to European ethnic preservation, are:

A group of people who need to be shipped off to Israel. Families leaving their property back in Europe will be duly compensated for the loss and will arrive in Israel as affluent investors, so they will be welcomed. Of course, Israeli attachés will be permitted and so will be an Israeli here and there for "cultural enrichment"- a restaurant or what-have-you. If rational, Israelis will do likewise with the Palestinians and allocate them with their Arab brethren in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan (the preferred chioce), Egypt and- if Palestinians can stomach religious extremism- Saudi Arabia. Or maybe Cuba, being as it is that Fidel just loves his Palestinians. Irrational anti-Semitism will be no more.

Jews managed to amass a great sum of money because they were not constrained by the Catholic Chruch, unlike Europeans (and methinks because their interest rates were not as high as the European's). Money got them positions of power and their children in college. Being rich and educated at the same time, it was only natural they would become the intelligentsia. Being rich and educated and discriminated against at the same time, it was only natural they would beccome the liberal intelligentsia. It was only natural that they would embrace atheist Communism. Some of them being rich, of course they would embrace Capitalism. Any ethnic group or race would have behaved exactly the same.

[Fred]

Rusalka, under Roman boundaries, the Palestinian Jews and Arabs had their own provinces.

[Anthropos]

I voted 'other'.

It is my opinion that the humanistic-egalitarian-individualistic outlook of the Renaissance is largely to blame for any 'threat' that the Jews pose. Didn't Europe of the Middle Ages know how to handle the problem? I think there was always a few gentiles who were happy to make use of their services, and no few of European intellectuals, politicians and commoners cheer, clap hands and join in when Jewish intellectuals propagate ideas, views and reforms that can be said to go against European interests in various ways. I think that the problems that should be adressed are much more in our own ways and institutions than in any 'opponent'.

[Sarmata]

How about put them all to Israel and just forgot that those country even existed? World will be a better place without: Sionists(and anti-sionists too),hollywood, some "European" politics, and "our"
media-Mr. Michnik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Michnik)and others...

[Poltergeist]

some "European" politics, and "our"
media-Mr. Michnik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Michnik)and others...

Adam Michnik? For God's sake. Quite an unsavoury character. But he belongs to certain political and pseudo-"intellectual" type pretty widespread in post-Communist eastern Europe. We have Michniks in this country too, so I understand you very well. They blather similar platitudes, phrases, even in some cases have similar body language, similar kind of fishy "smile" etc.

But the great majority of them are not Jews. I don't see this as originally Jewish thing, although some persons of Jewish ethnic extraction embraced it.

[Treffie]

My opinion is that Jews, in relation to European ethnic preservation, do not pose as much as a risk as Americanisation.

[Cato]

There are some Jewish authors that I admire, like the late Cyrus Gordon, who spent his life trying to discover the common themes of Hellenism and Hebraism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_H._Gordon

Or Ofra Haza, who had one of the best voices of any singer I've ever heard:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofra_Haza

Neither example is admired because of their Jewry but because I admire their particular specialties, archaeology and history in one case and music in the other.

What passes for Jew these days is a jino, "Jewish in name only" as I've seen the term used. These are the turds with Jewish names and from a Jewish background but who basically piss on the ancestral traditions of the Jews (or modify them so drastically as to make them something entirely other). As I've named a few names in the past, take Barney Frank or Eliot Spitzer, crypto-Jews really who might identify with Judaism and Jewry but who, really, adhere to political bolshevism and social agitation as their life's calling. Scum like this abuse the goodwill of non-Jews and damage the reputations of Jews as a whole, honest and crooked alike.

I've got the highest respect for their religion and the attempts of those Jews who try to explain their religion and its doctrines through centuries of Christian and Islamic propaganda. If as saintly a man as Julian could view Jehovah as being the same as Helios-Iao and respect the antiquity of the Hebrew religion or if the Jews themselves admit that a mild ruler like Antoninus Pius "came like a blessing to the Jews+" are these people really what they're made out to be?

The two extremes are anti-Jewish and pro-Jewish, neither of which I am. We're told to either treat the Jews with the soft shoe or the hard boot for various reasons. Why not just recognize that they're just like everyone else: some good, some vile, the majority somewhere inbetween.

+http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1618&letter=A

[Psychonaut]

Most concerning to me is the role of Jewish intellectuals (typified by this crowd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Intellectuals)) behind the American Neoconservative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism) movement (see Irving Kristol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol), the "godfather of neoconservatism"), third world immigration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965) (see Emanuel Celler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Celler)), radical feminism (see Gloria Steinem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem)), American Marxism (see Max Shachtman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Shachtman)), and other extreme leftist currents in the US. For such a tiny percentage of our population, it seems bizarre that they've been the movers and shakers of most of the radical leftist movements here. Personally, I think the matter is best explained by the evolutionary psychology of Dr. Kevin MacDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald).

[RoyBatty]

There is only one solution, it is called Apartheid. Whites in white countries. The rest, including Jews, go home.

Obviously this isn't won't happen since Whites have long ago lost control of their homelands. White Nationalism and culture in Europe and elsewhere is doomed as is Europe.

We're now unable to hang on to or control our territories any longer because we are governed by fifth columnists and sellouts while our societies have been poisoned with Liberal Cancer. The end result will be inevitable.

[Cato]

Doesn't the Torah itself say that Jews are a gifted but peculiar people? Jehovah holds them to the covenant even today: "agreement between God and his people in which God makes certain promises and requires certain behavior from them in return." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_(biblical))

From contacts I've had with [religiously-minded] Jews over the years the main enemies are secularization and assimilation. The former destroys the covenant, from the human perspective, by injecting ideas and ideals that are offensive to the deity; the latter means that they lose their identity as Jews or, probably worse, wind up like Barney Fag and Eliot Shitzer- outwardly Jews but inwardly God alone knows what, thus drawing the ire and scorn of non-Jews upon them all.

As an evolutionary strategy, interesting.. Never heard that theory before.

[Loki]

There is only one solution, it is called Apartheid. Whites in white countries. The rest, including Jews, go home.


For the Jews to "go home", this would entail Zionism, no?

[Cato]

Give the Jews carte blanche over the greater near east, I don't care. As a purely political concept based on the ideal of a homeland for a specific ethnic group, Zionism isn't all that far off the mark from what would be ideal for whites to adhere to, although perhaps within a broader context to take into account the diversity within white populations.

As a political concept, taken to extremes, Zionism is very ugly and is a Semitic form of Nazism imo, but with a skullcap and Torah scroll. I don't care if the Jews want to kick around Muslims- just let them do it within the confines of their own lands. And let them take their political baggage with them back to their promised land. An ideal situation, since Jews'll probably never leave the west since they know they've got a good thing in western countries- either as bigwig slimeballs (unfortunately) or because they've got the safety of more tolerant societies.

[Rusalka]

Doesn't the Torah itself say that Jews are a gifted but peculiar people?

A Cabbalistic approach to converts, for instance, is that they have "a Jewish soul" from the beginning, so it's not really a conversion, properly speaking. Weren't the Jews heavy proselytizers back in the time of the Roman Empire? Jesus himself was a Essene from Galillee, a place chock-full with newly converted stirpes. So we're probably talking of a metaphysical phenomenon, rather than a strictly ethnocentric one, for the lack of better words to describe it.

[Cato]

A Cabbalistic approach to converts, for instance, is that they have "a Jewish soul" from the beginning, so it's not really a conversion, properly speaking. Weren't the Jews heavy proseliytizers back in the time of the Roman Empire? Jesus himself was a Essene from Galillee, a place chock-full with newly converted stirpes. So we're probably talking of a metaphysical phenomenon, rather than a strictly ethnocentric one, for the lack of better words to describe it.

The Jews didn't convert en masse in the classical world, but there were plenty of semi-converts, say people who were still pagan but who also recognized Jehovah as the "God of Heaven" or "Most High" and equated him with Zeus or Jupiter or somesuch- often while still practicing pagan rites.

Some Jews that I've known are of the opinion that Jews were intended to be teachers, tasked by Jehovah to teach the world about divine unity (aka monotheism) and to stay away from idolatry. This doesn't imply conversion and the rabbis and scholars have come up with the so-called laws of Noah that non-Jews, ideally, ought to try to follow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Only Jews are required to follow all of the legalese of the Mosaic law. Non-Jews are basically asked to do things like prohibit idolatry (i.e. worship only Jehovah as the supreme deity, although this can be loosely interpreted to allow for an associative worship: another deity besides Jehovah, as long as Jehovah is recognized as the creator), set of courts and law codes, disallow criminalistic/abominable behavior, etc. Basically, it's just a reiteration of what might be called natural law theory- with God as the source of the natural laws to be followed. Some turds feel that these laws of Noah are a sort of NWO religion-in-the-making, which I find hard to swallow given that the NWO is more or less opposed to every religion (with the exception of gutter religions like Islam it seems, and purely for demographic reasons).

[RoyBatty]

For the Jews to "go home", this would entail Zionism, no?

Evangelism, Zionism..... Whatever floats their boat provided they practice it BACK HOME AND NOT HERE.

[Loki]

Evangelism, Zionism..... Whatever floats their boat provided they practice it BACK HOME AND NOT HERE.

Yeah, but the whole concept of Zionism is to relocate Jews to Palestine. You are calling for this, and opposing it at the same time. I don't quite understand.

[Electronic God-Man]

Weren't the Jews heavy proselytizers back in the time of the Roman Empire?

I've heard from a Roman history professor, who was Jewish himself, that about 10% of the Roman Empire consisted of Jews. The number seemed extremely high.

He also stated that the Jews did do a lot of converting. He pointed to certain jokes made by Roman comedians having tax collectors and so on stalking people worse than a proselytizing Jew.

[Anthropos]

It has become popular in some circles to say that Jews shall 'go home'. Where is their home? At least I cannot say that the state of Israel is it. But there's another thing, and that is the fact that the state of Israel has existed for 61 years now, and what is the result of this? Isn't it, more than anything else, a base for imperialism and a source of endless conflicts of hideous proportions? How can some of you expect the 'Jewish question' to be solved through the state of Israel, when she has on the contrary served to further Jewish interests in the entire world?

[Rusalka]

I've heard from a Roman history professor, who was Jewish himself, that about 10% of the Roman Empire consisted of Jews. The number seemed extremely high.

I've read something similar. Problem seems to have been that, once converted, the new Jews were more faithful to Jerusalem than to Rome, and the Romans feared that, if they kept growing in number, they would end up by launching a successful revolt. Thus, Jewish proselytism was banned.

[Cato]

I think that the Roman authorities may've had trouble differentiating the actual Jews from those who adopted "Jewish manners" as Cicero mockingly called such people in the 1st century BCE. For such people who followed Jewish manners, it mainly consisted of, say, belieiving in one God (or subordinating all other deities to Jehovah/Zeus and making him the First Cause), not all that far-fetched given the influence of Greek philosophy and its conception of the Monad, and observing the sabbath (a novelty in the ancient world, for which Jews were considered lazy by their neighbors).

The sabbath properly falls on Saturday- Saturn's day. Saturn is the Roman name of Greek Uranus, the father of Zeus (Jupiter). Saturn was also likened to El who, according to Canaanite myth from the Ugaritic fragments, is the father of Jehovah (Yahweh). What gives?

The trouble is, in my opinion, is the idea of one deity as the First Cause properly Greek or properly Jewish? My investigations into both areas seem to imply that the philosophical tradition is just as legitimate as the prophetic tradition.

*End digression, back on-topic*

[Svipdag]

As an American, I should probably stay out of this discussion, however, perhaps my observations of American Jews in the 1930's-1950's may be relevant, so I'll cast in my 2 cents' worth.

I grew up in the then predominately Jewish northwest corner of Hartford, Connecticut. The student body of the high school I attended was about 60% Jewish. Some of my neighbors were Jewish. My first girlfriend was Jewish.

In the course of living in that part of town for 26 years, I got to know a large number of Jews, some casually, some closely. Except for their retention of "old country" customs more consistently than many of the other ethnic groups around me, I never considered them different from anybody else that I knew.

In that 26 years, I never met an avowed Zionist. If anyone I knew held Zionist views, they did not make a show of it. Not moving in "high circles" I never met one of the sinister "movers and shakers", the mysterious manipulative "insiders".

I knew one Jew who became a politician, a liberal, of course, and a Democrat, also, of course. He was always mouthing off about poverty and one day I lost my cool and told him off. I said, "Dave, you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Your parents have always been wealthy . You know NOTHING about poverty. I lived in it. We were hard-pressed to pay $20 a month rent.

Poverty does NOT cause crime. Everyone in our block was dirt poor. The only crimes ever perpetrated by those poor people were public drunkenness and occasional domestic violence. I was "disadvantaged", ill-dressed, and just adequately fed. How strange that I never became a criminal ! None of us did, because, poor though we were, we had moral character."

He avoided me thereafter. The Jews I knew had the same motivations that everyone else did. They wanted good jobs for themselves so that they could give their children a good life and a good education, especially a good education which the Jews I knew respected very highly.

The only sinister Jew I ever knew was a young Communist who may well not have been really sinister. I often suspected that he espoused communism in order to be a maverick. At the same age, I, too, was a maverick, but I was a monarchist.

I learned from experience that some of the stereotypes pertaining to Jews are not to be trusted. "Nebbish Murray" made a life's work out of being an unsuccessful businessman. He had a knack for jumping on the bandwagon just before it sank out of sight, and getting out of a business just before it started to make money.

I have a Jewish friend who is an antique dealer and a terrible businessman. He seems to think that "Buy high and sell low." is the way to make money. However, I have dealt with him many times and found him to be the soul of honesty. He has never cheated me out of a single penny.

Just as the average American is a decent hardworking person, entirely different from the creeps whom we elect to govern us and manage our relationships with other nations, so, in my experience, the average American Jew is a decent hardworking person whose image has been tarnished by a minority of manipulative scoundrels.

[SwordoftheVistula]

I knew one Jew who became a politician, a liberal, of course, and a Democrat, also, of course. He was always mouthing off about poverty and one day I lost my cool and told him off. I said, "Dave, you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Your parents have always been wealthy . You know NOTHING about poverty. I lived in it. We were hard-pressed to pay $20 a month rent.

Poverty does NOT cause crime. Everyone in our block was dirt poor. The only crimes ever perpetrated by those poor people were public drunkenness and occasional domestic violence. I was "disadvantaged", ill-dressed, and just adequately fed. How strange that I never became a criminal ! None of us did, because, poor though we were, we had moral character."

He avoided me thereafter.

Isn't that enough? They are invariably far left, always making excuses for the scum of society, and often make it personal if you disagree. Combine that with a tendency to get into the 'power positions' like media, academia, banking, law, politics; and an ethnocentric tendency to help out other jews, plus a tendency to mercilessly attack any ethnocentrism on the part of European-derived peoples, and you've got a dangerous combination.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

To me; I don't think they have anything to do with European ethnic preservation.

I think each people should work to preserve it's independent and idiosyncratic expressions, traditions and cultures. This should be done by strengthening our own values and how we view our own heritage.

It's too simplified to write other peoples off as a threat. They don't all operate as a hive-mind for some Globalist Zionist organization bent on the terrible destruction of the Europeans. They're just people like us, albeit with a different culture and heritage.

No race is the ENEMY of the European. The real 'enemy' to the theory of European preservation is that people do not spread their heritage and values to their children and their children are all merging into a global culture, which is not the result of some evil organization but is more of the result of an ever-spreading connection between the economies of the world.

It concerns me to see threads like this on this forum.

Not really a concern.it would be good to once again point out the flaws of preservation of the European as you pointed out.They have been inundated with liberal multi cult. crap from every politician.
The "jew" has no ethnicity of worth, being jewish is like being Christian---a religion----
The white guilt on the 6.000.000 has yet to be overcome,and believe me the 'jew' is using it to his best advantage,like the 'Christian' used the 'hate' to his advantage as recent as 60 years ago(Pope Pius 12).

Only when you have lived with them,dined with them,did business with them will realize that the jew is nothing without money,America and Britain and obviously the misunderstanding of the masses in general about the 'jew'.
I do not do business with the jew,because they will find a loophole to force you to bring down the price of any commodity or consultation.
I have as less time for them as I have with the African.
As you mentioned above, see to our own need:values(see Loki's post too)-heritage-culture,etc.
The relationship with each other MUST be above board,the relationship with the jew or muslim, if any,must be snake like sly to advance your preservation.There is nothing wrong to squeeze every little bit of money out of them to help one of your own kind.
We Europeans(I speak of my South African experience) are famous for treachery towards each other.This could be our down fall.

The less you subject yourself to jewish or muslim contact the better,you do not need them at all
The more you promote European preservation the better,you need them all

[Óttar]

I remember there being a Trotskyist Jew at my college. He wore a red cap with a USSR pin. He was also sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. He once mentioned in class that he could see where the lecture was headed i.e. persecution of Jews in Latin America because of the overrepresentation of Jews in left-wing movements. I thought why does it appear as such a shock to him considering he fits the perfect stereotype of a Jewish hyper-leftist? I mean, USSR pins, Palestine, Trotskyism? Couldn't he have just been a Democrat or a socialist, or a social-democrat?

[Anthropos]

I remember there being a Trotskyist Jew at my college. He wore a red cap with a USSR pin. He was also sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. He once mentioned in class that he could see where the lecture was headed i.e. persecution of Jews in Latin America because of the overrepresentation of Jews in left-wing movements. I thought why does it appear as such a shock to him considering he fits the perfect stereotype of a Jewish hyper-leftist? I mean, USSR pins, Palestine, Trotskyism? Couldn't he have just been a Democrat or a socialist, or a social-democrat?

Jews played an important part in early social democracy, but the state of Israel did not exist at that time. When the state of Israel came into realisation, tell me, what part did social democracy play then? What about labour?

In time though, social democracy took its own course, and did at times become pro-Palestinian. But today, social democracy is staunchly pro-Israel.

So I see your point, but then again I don't.

[Majar]

Jews, in relation to European ethnic preservation, are: Negated. They have their slice of land in the Middle East, let them fight for it themselves. :thumbs up

[Anthropos]

Jews, in relation to European ethnic preservation, are: Negated. They have their slice of land in the Middle East, let them fight for it themselves. :thumbs up

1. What makes it their land?

2. How did it being 'their land' ever benefit European preservation? Didn't it on the contrary further and strengthen their positions all over the world?

3. Are you saying that Jews who have been scattered over the world since 70 A.D. should be deported to a piece of land that by all reasonable standards is not even theirs?

4. Why is it so important, anyway? It's not like Jews caused all our problems, is it?

[Fortis in Arduis]

1. What makes it their land?

It was their land, and there has always been a Jewish presence in Jerusalem in particular, despite horrific conditions such as your main temple having a mosque built on it...


2. How did it being 'their land' ever benefit European preservation? Didn't it on the contrary further and strengthen their positions all over the world?

Sadly, the Marxists won the political battle for Israel. If the revisionist Zionists, such as Ze'ev Jabotinsky had won, Israel would be bigger better and many more Jews would want to live there.


3. Are you saying that Jews who have been scattered over the world since 70 A.D. should be deported to a piece of land that by all reasonable standards is not even theirs?

No, let us be nice about this. It should be their choice to make aliyah. However, if a Jewish individual in the diaspora has been a bit naughty Israel would be the obvious place to post them, if Israel would want them, that is.


4. Why is it so important, anyway? It's not like Jews caused all our problems, is it?

No, but we all need nationalism, and after WWII, the Jewish people deserve a safe haven, and that haven could be made very attractive with the right government.

Who would want to live as a diaspora? Let us be nice to each other.

[Rusalka]

It was their land, and there has always been a Jewish presence in Jerusalem in particular, despite horrific conditions such as your main temple having a mosque built on it....

Most importantly, though, they won a war. Soviet-sponsored or not.

[Anthropos]

It was their land, and there has always been a Jewish presence in Jerusalem in particular, despite horrific conditions such as your main temple having a mosque built on it...LOL? Let's keep track of who's who.

How many of the Jews who are Israeli citizens never moved from there?




Who would want to live as a diaspora? Let us be nice to each other.

I'm nice. You can tell that to yourself.

Just look at the Palestinians (no few of which are original 'Jews' by the way) who were killed, plundered and purged and who continue to be so, who cannot export their goods except through Israeli channels, who are put in concentration camps by the Israelis without a reason, who are not allowed to be members of political organisations, who are tortured to death by Israelis, who are terrorised no end by the Israeli military and by so-called 'settlers', in reality illegal occupants, etc etc etc.

The least you can do is to face reality, so don't give me that moralist crap.




No, but we all need nationalism, and after WWII, the Jewish people deserve a safe haven, and that haven could be made very attractive with the right government.No thanks. Especially not that kind of 'nationalism'. Even this is more like it:

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[Rusalka]

Just look at the Palestinians (no few of which are original 'Jews' by the way) who were killed, plundered and purged and who continue to be so, who cannot export their goods except through Israeli channels, who are put in concentration camps by the Israelis without a reason, who are not allowed to be members of political organisations, who are tortured to death by Israelis, who are terrorised no end by the Israeli military and by so-called 'settlers', in reality illegal occupants, etc etc etc.

I think you're making Fortis' point here: none of this would happen had the Revisionist camp won. The hysterical Israeli elite wants its cake and eat it too: a country with the smallest number of Palestinians yet a secular Medinat Israel. Which obviously they can't justify under their "we're a liberal Democracy" umbrella. They'd rather resort to senseless expenditure and violence and then ban the Kahanist party at the same time.

[Anthropos]

I think you're making Fortis' point here: none of this would happen had the Revisionist camp won. The hysterical Israeli elite wants its cake and eat it too: a country with the smallest number of Palestinians yet a secular Medinat Israel. Which obviously they can't justify under their "we're a liberal Democracy" umbrella. They'd rather resort to senseless expenditure and violence and then ban the Kahanist party at the same time.

No.

I could just answer you by saying "so what?"

It's not their country, period. Your conjectures and Fortis's don't make it any more so.

[Rusalka]

It's not their country, period. Your conjectures and Fortis's don't make it any more so.

In the strictest sense, it would not matter that if was not their country because Israel won a war (captured the West Bank), has juridisction and she is not a liberal democracy. It's a system that favors one religion over the other.

[Anthropos]

In the strictest sense, it would not matter that if was not their country because Israel won a war (captured the West Bank), has juridisction and she is not a liberal democracy. It's a system that favors one religion over the other.

Are you still talking about your alternate reality, or what is it? Where your revisionists won.

[Rusalka]

Are you saying that Israel is a liberal, religion-neutral country?

Israel won Judea and Samaria and is handling them rather idiotically: by a protacted demographic war, instead of annexing the West Bank and asking the Palestinians to leave. In the end, if this project of theirs fail, it will be solely their fault.

[Anthropos]

Are you saying that Israel is a liberal, religion-neutral country?It is an illegal state and an exception to international law that is constantly overlooked. You read my recent posts in this thread. Whether it is liberal and democratic or not is irrelevant.


Israel won Judea and Samaria and is handling them rather idiotically: by a protacted demographic war, instead of annexing the West Bank and asking the Palestinians to leave. In the end, if this project of theirs fail, it will be solely their fault.You don't think that Israel has committed enough crimes already. That may be your opinion, but it has nothing whatever to do with whether Jews have any right to the land in the first place. I don't support imperialism nor violent takeovers wherever they may occur.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Are you saying that Israel is a liberal, religion-neutral country?

Israel won Judea and Samaria and is handling them rather idiotically: by a protacted demographic war, instead of annexing the West Bank and asking the Palestinians to leave. In the end, if this project of theirs fail, it will be solely their fault.

Exactly, why prolong the suffering?

They must go. :grouphug:

[Eldritch]

Jews, in relation to European ethnic preservation, are: Negated. They have their slice of land in the Middle East, let them fight for it themselves. :thumbs up

Probably a better idea than asking the lot of them to relocate here. (http://www.slate.com/id/2236079/entry/2236080/)

[Fortis in Arduis]

Probably a better idea than asking the lot of them to relocate here. (http://www.slate.com/id/2236079/entry/2236080/)

Hey, how is 'life' in the provinces?

Not really because Israel is where the Jewish people have the longest history.

Just imagine that.

[Eldritch]

Not really because Israel is where the Jewish people have the longest history.


Please read my post again.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Please read my post again.

Oh darling. All is forgiven. :D

I really should cut down. ;)

[Rusalka]

It is an illegal state.

No state can be illegal. They are either recognized de jure or not.

More to the point, legality does not guarantee anything: witness the Argentinean delegates packed with fancy legalistic lingo sent every year to the international fora to decry the British presence in the Falklands. They always get the same reaction from the Brits: “Fuck it: we won”.


and an exception to international law that is constantly overlooked.

I’ll give you another one.

Gaza has sui generis status: not a state but an entity with parallel functions. Among other things, sui generis entities have to abide by international law. Hamas made it to parliament, thus becoming an official representative and administrator of Gaza. When Hamas was firing rockets into Israel after 2007, it was a breach of international law. Expect any Goldstone report on that anytime soon? Hamas wouldn’t like that: it would reset everything to a very boring status quo.

I don’t like violations of international laws either: Israel should be punished by its excesses and learn: when attacked, don’t send in the military, grab a bunch of religious fanatics, provide them with some cheap rockets and scatter them along the border with Gaza. Claim no responsibility.

Again what you see is constant pandering to international opinion: everything a la Americana: proper (secular!) soldiers defending her very secular population against “mad jihadists”. The elite want the favor of the American John Doe and that is much obvious. Thus, they end up doing the unthinkable: they order their soldiers to physically enter the territory and engage in urban combat (increasing their chances of dying by tenfold) so that the lives of the civilians are spared. A country that sends her teenagers to die (albeit most from friendly fire, in Gaza. Idiots.) to save the children of the enemy.


That may be your opinion, but it has nothing whatever to do with whether Jews have any right to the land in the first place.

What happened in Palestine is what happens when two sides think they are right: they will unequivocally try to kick each other’s butts. Hence my comment about the soon-to-be-Israelis winning the war. The Jews have a right there as long as they are strong enough as to keep the land. You may argue that a right based on religion is not enough. Al-Fatah has recently stated that they want all of Al Kudz, religion being their prime reason. So, I don’t think it’s light at all.


I don't support imperialism

Me neither: stop the imperialist rule over the West Bank and annex it, that’s what I say. Sever all ties with America, too.


You don't think that Israel has committed enough crimes already.

So now breeding is a crime? That's what a demographic war is.

[RoyBatty]

Yeah, but the whole concept of Zionism is to relocate Jews to Palestine. You are calling for this, and opposing it at the same time. I don't quite understand.

Point 1:

Relocating Jews to Palestine / Israel isn't an exclusively Zionist concept.

Point 2:

It's unlikely that all Zionists interpret the concept of Zionism exactly as you do or that they feel that it is paramount to them that they relocate to Israel / Palestine, despite what the so-called "concepts" call for.

If your interpretation were correct there wouldn't have been any Zionists outside Israel today. Clearly, there are. The fact that "Zionism" supposedly calls for the relocation of Jews to Israel / Palestine is incidental. It doesn't mean they will necessarily carry out this action.

One cannot interpret these ideologies too literally and assume that there is some set of rules which are absolute and being strictly being adhered to by its practitioners.

I'm not being erratic or inconsistent at all by being anti-Zionist and pro-Apartheid. I'm stating that the Zionists ought to make good on their "ideology" and to go home instead of BS'ing us. Unfortunately lying and BS'ing is one of the underlying foundations of their movement.

Generally speaking I am against Zionism and many of the things it entails but it's a concept and movement that is hard, if not impossible, to define in absolute terms.

[Anthropos]

Rusalka, don't put words in my mouth. You are imagining things, or you misinterpret me deliberately. I have been clear enough.

[Poltergeist]

No state can be illegal. They are either recognized de jure or not.

More to the point, legality does not guarantee anything: witness the Argentinean delegates packed with fancy legalistic lingo sent every year to the international fora to decry the British presence in the Falklands. They always get the same reaction from the Brits: “Fuck it: we won”.

Things usually go that way, yes. "Legal" is anything that managed to get itself through either by force, or by diplomacy, or by fraud, or by the combination of all the things mentioned, or - very seldom - by someone's else generous concession. De facto existence of some state, or of some state of affairs, as well as the international recognition of such fact, the general international acceptation, makes it "legal". The principle of fait accompli plays an important role in this context. Some rebels may challenge the existing order of things and, if they succeed in their endeavour, they create a new legality of their own. And so on.

However, one can also argue for a difference between "legal" and "legitimate". The notion of "legitimacy" would be, according to this principle, concerned more with some general and universal ideas of justice, proper standards to judge individual cases, precedents, fairness etc. Not everything "legal" is necessarily "legitimate" and some otherwise legitimate claims haven't yet acquired the status of legality or are on their way to acquire it. The rebels I mentioned above may proceed from some claims of legitimacy and then, on condition they succeed, get legality as well.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Most importantly, though, they won a war. Soviet-sponsored or not.


Which war????????

[anonymaus]

Oh man, I LOVE juice! I'm not sure how important it is to European ethnic preservation but we should all drink more of it!

[Rusalka]

Which war????????

The big brouhaha them Jews like to call War of Independence.

[Anthropos]

Things usually go that way, yes. "Legal" is anything that managed to get itself through either by force, or by diplomacy, or by fraud, or by the combination of all the things mentioned, or - very seldom - by someone's else generous concession. De facto existence of some state, or of some state of affairs, as well as the international recognition of such fact, the general international acceptation, makes it "legal". The principle of fait accompli plays an important role in this context. Some rebels may challenge the existing order of things and, if they succeed in their endeavour, they create a new legality of their own. And so on.

However, one can also argue for a difference between "legal" and "legitimate". The notion of "legitimacy" would be, according to this principle, be concerned more with some general and universal ideas of justice, proper standards to judge individual cases, precedents, fairness etc. Not everything "legal" is necessarily "legitimate" and some otherwise legitimate claims haven't yet acquired the status of legality or are on their way to require it. The rebels I mentioned above may proceed from some claims of legitimacy and then, on condition they succeed, get legality as well.

That something became legal in this sense is however not a guarantee that there is any legitimacy in it. (And I am not accusing you of having said so.)

The amount of fraud - intellectual as well political -, illegitimate violence, thievery etc involved in the creation of 'Israel' suggests that it has no legitimacy. René Guénon, in his critique of modernity, often remarked that everything that is in a very profound sense a falsification - and this means that it is illegitimate - appears as a parody, and I think that this can be perfectly well applied here.

[Trencavel]

A formidable opponent, but far from the only threat.

Ok. This is going to be difficult for me to explain...

Judaism is more an Ideology than a Religion in the sense that, they're trying to achieve great materialistic power and not a re-union with god (Religion derives from Latin Re-Ligare).

They're not an enemy because they're "attacking ourselves". They're doing what they're meant to do, to live their lives fulfilling all of their material wishes and physical pleasures.

That's why they own lots of banks, buildings, precious rocks, precious metals and money, because everything material you want to get out of this world has a price. The famous "Temple of King Solomon" isn't meant to be a spiritual place, It's meant to be a temple for money.

So... What do they have against preservation ? Well, Our societies are founded on moral and ethic values based on our religious myths.

All indo-european religions teach a modest way of life. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't look for material things but, to fulfill the needs of our souls first.

[Hrolf Kraki]

How about put them all to Israel and just forgot that those country even existed? World will be a better place without: Sionists(and anti-sionists too),hollywood, some "European" politics, and "our"
media-Mr. Michnik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Michnik)and others...

In all seriousness though. Do you really believe that's fair? They've lived in Europe for centuries and have since become fully integrated into our societies, yet kept alive their own traditions, but always keeping them to themselves. They were dispersed by the Romans, what some 2000 years ago. What do you expect them to do? There are tons of Jewish douchebags all over; in Hollywood, in politics, you name it. But it's not because they're Jewish, although they might like to use that fact sometimes, but because they're liberal douchebags just like all the rest, who want to whine, cry and bitch about every little thing.

[Chronos]

bump; interesting thread.

[Xenomorph]

Old thread is old, but for the record, I have no problem with the Jews. I disagree with some of Israel's policies, but this does not translate into enmity against the entire Jewish people. All of the Jews that I have met have been great people, and they don't in any way deserve the shit that they have gotten.

[CelticViking]

Old thread is old, but for the record, I have no problem with the Jews. I disagree with some of Israel's policies, but this does not translate into enmity against the entire Jewish people. All of the Jews that I have met have been great people, and they don't in any way deserve the shit that they have gotten.

:rolleyes: Wake up already!



http://www.emesebenko.com/never%20awake/content/images/large/23.jpg

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HADERA, ISRAEL - DECEMBER 29: (ISRAEL OUT) A foreign woman arrested by Israeli police during a raid on a brothel
http://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/pimping-in-the-promised-land/


She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning, she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her eyes


''I own you,'' she recalled his saying. ''You are my property and you will work until you earn your way out. Don't try to leave. You have no papers and you don't speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get you and bring you back.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/11/world/contraband-women-a-special-report-traffickers-new-cargo-naive-slavic-women.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


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"There are 3,200 women annually who are going to be raped daily and brutalized in ways unimaginable,” Lauer informed the audience of about 40 people. Approximately 3,200 women—although there are no official statistics on this—are forced into Israel, stripped naked, sold on the block and distributed to pimps, mainly in Tel Aviv, Lauer said. “After 12 months, many of them are physically and emotionally useless. They are dumped on the street, arrested and deported.”

The first group of men responsible is the slavers. These men lure women, mainly from the former Soviet Union, to Israel, where they sell them to pimps. “... raped 15 to 20 times a day,” Lauer said. “...should they be left to be brutalized?”
http://thebrandeishoot.com/articles/10722


What particularly offends Ben-Ami is the haredin (orthodox Jews) who crowd the Tel Aviv brothels on Friday mornings and afternoons for a pre-Shabbat tumble."

"Because these women are not human beings," Greunpeter-Gold said indignantly. "They are foreign women. The religious prefer it to be with foreign women because then they don't wrong Jewish women."

http://www.adishakti.org/_/haredin_(orthodox_Jews)_who_crowd_brothels.htm

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/between-3000-5000-sex-slaves-in-israel-from-ukraine-moldova-uzbekistan-and-russia/

http://www.wakeupordie.com/images/jewsrape/pletell1.jpg

[Xenomorph]

:rolleyes: Wake up already!



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http://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/pimping-in-the-promised-land/




http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/11/world/contraband-women-a-special-report-traffickers-new-cargo-naive-slavic-women.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


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http://thebrandeishoot.com/articles/10722


http://www.adishakti.org/_/haredin_(orthodox_Jews)_who_crowd_brothels.htm

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/between-3000-5000-sex-slaves-in-israel-from-ukraine-moldova-uzbekistan-and-russia/

http://www.wakeupordie.com/images/jewsrape/pletell1.jpg

The product of lust and religious fanaticism. This kind of stuff happens all over the world and can't be pinned specifically on the Jews or Israel. Also, tha lst picture makes me believe that you care more for the fact that it's white Gentile women being hurt rather than just women in general.

[CelticViking]

The product of lust and religious fanaticism. This kind of stuff happens all over the world and can't be pinned specifically on the Jews or Israel. Also, tha lst picture makes me believe that you care more for the fact that it's white Gentile women being hurt rather than just women in general.

"The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers."
CICERO (Marcus Tullius Cicero). First century B.C. Roman stateman, writer.

DIO CASSIUS. Second century Roman historian. Describing the savage Jewish uprising against the Roman empire that has been acknowledged as the turning point downward in the course of that great state-form:

"The Jews were destroying both Greeks and Romans. They ate the flesh of their victims, made belts for themselves out of their entrails, and daubed themselves with their blood... In all, 220,000 men perished in Cyrene and 240,000 in Cyprus, and for this reason no Jew may set foot in Cyprus today." (Roman History)


DIODORUS SICULUS. First century Greek historian.Observed that Jews treated other people as enemies and inferiors.
"Usury" is the practice of lending money at excessive interest rates. This has for centuries caused great misery and poverty for Gentiles. It has brought strong condemnation of the Jews

JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "

MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43
"But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."


ST. JUSTIN, martyr stated in 116 A. D.
"The Jews were behind all the persecutions of the Christians. They wandered through the country everywhere hating and undermining the Christian faith."

ST. JOHN, Gospel of St. John VII:1
"After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry because the Jews sought to kill him."


Benjamin Franklin:"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.


ERNEST RENAN, French historian
"The Jews are not merely a different religious community, but - and this is the most important factor - ethnically an altogether different race. The European felt instinctively that the Jew is a stranger, who immigrated from Asia. The so-called prejudice is natural sentiment. Civilization will overcome antipathy against the Israelite who merely professes another religion, but never against the racially different Jew...
In Eastern Europe the Jew is the cancer slowly eating into the flesh of other nations. Exploitation of the people is his only aim. Selfishness and a lack of personal courage are his chief characteristics; self-sacrifice and patriotism are altogether foreign to him."

CHURCHILL, WINSTON. 20th century British politician. In 1920, he wrote a long newspaper article of the recent Bolshevik seizure of Russia. After praising what he called the "national Jews" of Russia, he said:

"In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders... In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many nonJews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. ("Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People." ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, London, February 8, 1920.)

LINDBERGH, CHARLES. 20th century American aviator, writer.
Wednesday, August 23, 1939
"We are disturbed about the effect of the Jewish influence in our press, radio and motion pictures. It may become very serious. [Fulton] Lewis told us of one instance where the Jewish advertising firms threatened to remove all their advertising from the Mutual system if a certain feature were permitted to go on the air. The threat was powerful enough to have the feature removed."
Thursday, May 1, 1941
"The pressure for war is high and mounting. The people are opposed to it, but the Administration seems to have 'the bit in its teeth' and is hell-bent on its way to war. Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press and radio and most of our motion pictures. There are the 'intellectuals' and the 'Anglophiles,' and the British agents who are allowed free rein, the international financial interests, and many others." (The Wartime Journals)


WILHELM II. German Kaiser.
"A Jew cannot be a true patriot. He is something different, like a bad insect. He must be kept apart, out of a place where he can do mischief - even by pogroms, if necessary.
The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia, and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign, and I bitterly regret the favors I showed the prominent Jewish bankers." (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, July 2, 1922)

HENRY FORD in (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921
"Jews have always controlled the business... The motion picture influence of the United States and Canada... is exclusively under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators of the public mind."

TWAIN, MARK (S. L. Clemens). 19th century American writer.
"In the U.S. cotton states, after the war... the Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the Negroes' wants on credit, and at the end of the season was the proprietor of the Negro's share of the present crop and part of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew. (1)
The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian peasant stood no chance against his commercial abilities. The Jew was always ready to lend on a crop. When settlement day came, he owned the crop; the next year he owned the farm - like Joseph. (2)
In the England of John's time everybody got into debt to the Jew. He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his hands. He was the King of Commerce. He had to be banished from the realm. For like reasons, Spain had to banish him 400 years ago, and Austria a couple of centuries later.
In all ages Christian Europe has been obliged to curtail his activities. If he entered upon a trade, the Christian had to retire from it. If he set up as a doctor, he took the business. If he exploited agriculture, the other farmers had to get at something else. The law had to step in to save the Christian from the poor-house. Still, almost bereft of employments, he found ways to make money. Even to get rich. This history has a most sordid and practical commercial look. Religious prejudices may account for one part of it, bit not for the other nine.
Protestants have persecuted Catholics - but they did not take their livelihoods away from them. Catholics have persecuted Protestants - bit they never closed agriculture and the handicrafts against them. I feel convinced that the Crucifixion has not much to do with the world's attitude toward the Jew; that the reasons for it are much older than that event ...
I am convinced that the persecution of the Jew is not in any large degree due to religious prejudice. No, the Jew is a money-getter. He made it the end and aim of his life. He was at it in Rome. He has been at it ever since. His success has made the whole human race his enemy.
You will say that the Jew is everywhere numerically feeble. When I read in the Cyclopedia Britannica that the Jewish population in the United States was 250,000 I wrote the editor and explained to him that I was personally acquainted with more Jews than that, and that his figures were without doubt a misprint for 25,000,000. People told me that they had reasons to suspect that for business reasons, many Jews did not report themselves as Jews. It looks plausible. I am strongly of the opinion that we have an immense Jewish population in America. I am assured by men competent to speak that the Jews are exceedingly active in politics. ("Concerning the Jews," Harper's Monthly Magazine, September 1899)


GOLDWIN SMITH, Professor of Modern History at Oxford, wrote in Nineteenth Century, October 1881
"The Jew alone regard his race as superior to humanity, and looks forward not to its ultimate union with other races, but to its triumph over them all and to its final ascendancy under the leadership of a tribal Messiah."


SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD. 20th century British dramatist.
"This is the real enemy, the invader from the East, the Druze, the ruffian, the oriental parasite; in a word: the Jew. (London Morning Post, December 3, 1925)
This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings. (Literary Digest, October 12, 1932)

WAGNER, RICHARD. 19th century German composer.
"The Jew has never had an art of his own, hence never a live of art-enabling import... "So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it, down to the epochs of Mozart and Beethoven, there was nowhere to be found a Jew composer: it was utterly impossible for an element quiet foreign to that living organism to take a part in the formative stages of that life. Only when a body's inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of judgment in it - yet merely to destroy it.
On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which the Jews have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of the destructive alien element, I an unable to decide, since that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted. (Judaism in Music)

VOLTAIRE (Francois Marie Arouet) 18th century French philosopher, writer.
"Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race..."
"The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous - cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity." (Essai sur le Moeurs)
"You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny." (From a letter to a Jew who had written to him, complaining of his 'anti-Semitism.' Examen des Quelques Objections... dans L'Essai sur le Moeurs.)
"You will only find in the Jews an ignorant and barbarous people, who for a long time have joined the most sordid avarice to the most detestable superstition and to the most invincible hatred of all peoples which tolerate and enrich them." ("Juif," Dictionnaire Philosophique)
"I know that there are some Jews in the English colonies. These marranos go wherever there is money to be made... But whether these circumcised who sell old clothes claim that they are of the tribe of Naphtali or Issachar is not of the slightest importance. They are, simply, the biggest scoundrels who have ever dirtied the face of the earth." (Letter to Jean-Baptiste Nicolas de Lisle de Sales, December 15, 1773. Correspondance. 86:166)
"They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race." (Lettres de Memmius a Ciceron, 1771)

QuYKtwnzG7M

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[Xenomorph]

"The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers."
CICERO (Marcus Tullius Cicero). First century B.C. Roman stateman, writer.

DIO CASSIUS. Second century Roman historian. Describing the savage Jewish uprising against the Roman empire that has been acknowledged as the turning point downward in the course of that great state-form:

"The Jews were destroying both Greeks and Romans. They ate the flesh of their victims, made belts for themselves out of their entrails, and daubed themselves with their blood... In all, 220,000 men perished in Cyrene and 240,000 in Cyprus, and for this reason no Jew may set foot in Cyprus today." (Roman History)

Everyone was savage back then, the Jews were no different. The Germans after the Battle of Teutoburg Forest reportedly cooked some of the Roman officers. Also, these people were fighting for their freedom; while that doesn't excuse all of their actions, it's perfectly understandable that they would have been fierce. Their opponents certainly weren't angels.



DIODORUS SICULUS. First century Greek historian.Observed that Jews treated other people as enemies and inferiors.
"Usury" is the practice of lending money at excessive interest rates. This has for centuries caused great misery and poverty for Gentiles. It has brought strong condemnation of the Jews

Cultural exclusivity back then was no uncommon at all. For the Jews, it was a way of preserving their culture. Also, some of the important prophets explicitly state that the Jews should be friendly to foreigners in Israel.
As to usury, no one can pin that exclusively on the Jews. The only reason it was was because banking was a trade that many Jews were forced into during the Midde Ages because Christians weren't allowed to. Forcing someone into doing something and then blaming them for it makes no sense.


JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "

He was talking about how the Jews had fallen away from the spirit of Mosaic law, not how they were some cursed people.


MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43
"But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."

Martin Luther was a flaming antisemite who lashed out at the Jews because they did not convert to Protestantism. There is little fact in thei statement, just rhetoric.


ST. JUSTIN, martyr stated in 116 A. D.
"The Jews were behind all the persecutions of the Christians. They wandered through the country everywhere hating and undermining the Christian faith."

Well he's wrong. The Jews were responsible for some of the earliest Christian persecutions, but most of them were local efforts by Gentiles who blamed the Christians when there was a plague or the crops failed because they had angered the gods. And there was of course the state-sanctioned persecutions under emperors like Valerian and Diocletian. Hardly any of this could be laid at the feet of the Jews.


ST. JOHN, Gospel of St. John VII:1
"After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry because the Jews sought to kill him."

Certain Jews did, many didn't. Conservative sects that wanted to be able to live under the legalistic style of Judaism of the Pharisees hated Jesus. But much of the common folk loved him for what he did. Thsi is hardly a condemnation of all Jews across time.


Benjamin Franklin:"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.

Nothing but prejudiced, unsustainble rhetoric.


ERNEST RENAN, French historian
"The Jews are not merely a different religious community, but - and this is the most important factor - ethnically an altogether different race. The European felt instinctively that the Jew is a stranger, who immigrated from Asia. The so-called prejudice is natural sentiment. Civilization will overcome antipathy against the Israelite who merely professes another religion, but never against the racially different Jew...
In Eastern Europe the Jew is the cancer slowly eating into the flesh of other nations. Exploitation of the people is his only aim. Selfishness and a lack of personal courage are his chief characteristics; self-sacrifice and patriotism are altogether foreign to him."

More empty rhetoric.


CHURCHILL, WINSTON. 20th century British politician. In 1920, he wrote a long newspaper article of the recent Bolshevik seizure of Russia. After praising what he called the "national Jews" of Russia, he said:

"In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders... In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many nonJews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. ("Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People." ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, London, February 8, 1920.)

The Jews initially supported Bolshevism because they saw it as an atheistic alternative to the Orthodox Russian Empire that had persecuted them for centuries. Who could blame them? Note that this quote is in 1920, before the Stalinistic purges. After those, Jewish support for the Soviet Union dropped precipitiously.


LINDBERGH, CHARLES. 20th century American aviator, writer.
Wednesday, August 23, 1939
"We are disturbed about the effect of the Jewish influence in our press, radio and motion pictures. It may become very serious. [Fulton] Lewis told us of one instance where the Jewish advertising firms threatened to remove all their advertising from the Mutual system if a certain feature were permitted to go on the air. The threat was powerful enough to have the feature removed."
Thursday, May 1, 1941
"The pressure for war is high and mounting. The people are opposed to it, but the Administration seems to have 'the bit in its teeth' and is hell-bent on its way to war. Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press and radio and most of our motion pictures. There are the 'intellectuals' and the 'Anglophiles,' and the British agents who are allowed free rein, the international financial interests, and many others." (The Wartime Journals)

What is this "feature" that Lindbergh talks about? If the Jews were offended by something that was going to be aired, they had every right to withdraw their endorsements. The rest is just tin foil hat nonsense.



WILHELM II. German Kaiser.
"A Jew cannot be a true patriot. He is something different, like a bad insect. He must be kept apart, out of a place where he can do mischief - even by pogroms, if necessary.
The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia, and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign, and I bitterly regret the favors I showed the prominent Jewish bankers." (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, July 2, 1922)

The first part is just the ramblings of the bigot. As for the second part, the greed of some Jewish bankers hardly condemns the whole people.


HENRY FORD in (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921
"Jews have always controlled the business... The motion picture influence of the United States and Canada... is exclusively under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators of the public mind."

Henry Ford was a bigot who gave engines to the Luftwaffe. Hardly a credible source.


TWAIN, MARK (S. L. Clemens). 19th century American writer.
"In the U.S. cotton states, after the war... the Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the Negroes' wants on credit, and at the end of the season was the proprietor of the Negro's share of the present crop and part of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew. (1)

Oh no, the Jews paid the darkes a fair share and upset the racists! What a horrible thing!:rolleyes::rolleyes:


The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian peasant stood no chance against his commercial abilities. The Jew was always ready to lend on a crop. When settlement day came, he owned the crop; the next year he owned the farm - like Joseph. (2)
In the England of John's time everybody got into debt to the Jew. He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his hands. He was the King of Commerce. He had to be banished from the realm. For like reasons, Spain had to banish him 400 years ago, and Austria a couple of centuries later.
In all ages Christian Europe has been obliged to curtail his activities. If he entered upon a trade, the Christian had to retire from it. If he set up as a doctor, he took the business. If he exploited agriculture, the other farmers had to get at something else. The law had to step in to save the Christian from the poor-house. Still, almost bereft of employments, he found ways to make money. Even to get rich. This history has a most sordid and practical commercial look. Religious prejudices may account for one part of it, bit not for the other nine.
Protestants have persecuted Catholics - but they did not take their livelihoods away from them. Catholics have persecuted Protestants - bit they never closed agriculture and the handicrafts against them. I feel convinced that the Crucifixion has not much to do with the world's attitude toward the Jew; that the reasons for it are much older than that event ...
I am convinced that the persecution of the Jew is not in any large degree due to religious prejudice. No, the Jew is a money-getter. He made it the end and aim of his life. He was at it in Rome. He has been at it ever since. His success has made the whole human race his enemy.
You will say that the Jew is everywhere numerically feeble. When I read in the Cyclopedia Britannica that the Jewish population in the United States was 250,000 I wrote the editor and explained to him that I was personally acquainted with more Jews than that, and that his figures were without doubt a misprint for 25,000,000. People told me that they had reasons to suspect that for business reasons, many Jews did not report themselves as Jews. It looks plausible. I am strongly of the opinion that we have an immense Jewish population in America. I am assured by men competent to speak that the Jews are exceedingly active in politics. ("Concerning the Jews," Harper's Monthly Magazine, September 1899)

Again, the Jew was the "money-getter" because that was one of the only trades where he could make a good living. If the Christian powers didn't want to deal with Jewish banking, maybe they should have allowed them to have other professions.


GOLDWIN SMITH, Professor of Modern History at Oxford, wrote in Nineteenth Century, October 1881
"The Jew alone regard his race as superior to humanity, and looks forward not to its ultimate union with other races, but to its triumph over them all and to its final ascendancy under the leadership of a tribal Messiah."

Overly broad picture that had no bearing on reality.


SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD. 20th century British dramatist.
"This is the real enemy, the invader from the East, the Druze, the ruffian, the oriental parasite; in a word: the Jew. (London Morning Post, December 3, 1925)
This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings. (Literary Digest, October 12, 1932)

More empty rhetoric.


WAGNER, RICHARD. 19th century German composer.
"The Jew has never had an art of his own, hence never a live of art-enabling import... "So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it, down to the epochs of Mozart and Beethoven, there was nowhere to be found a Jew composer: it was utterly impossible for an element quiet foreign to that living organism to take a part in the formative stages of that life. Only when a body's inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of judgment in it - yet merely to destroy it.
On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which the Jews have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of the destructive alien element, I an unable to decide, since that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted. (Judaism in Music)

More empty rhetoric.


VOLTAIRE (Francois Marie Arouet) 18th century French philosopher, writer.
"Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race..."
"The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous - cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity." (Essai sur le Moeurs)
"You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny." (From a letter to a Jew who had written to him, complaining of his 'anti-Semitism.' Examen des Quelques Objections... dans L'Essai sur le Moeurs.)
"You will only find in the Jews an ignorant and barbarous people, who for a long time have joined the most sordid avarice to the most detestable superstition and to the most invincible hatred of all peoples which tolerate and enrich them." ("Juif," Dictionnaire Philosophique)
"I know that there are some Jews in the English colonies. These marranos go wherever there is money to be made... But whether these circumcised who sell old clothes claim that they are of the tribe of Naphtali or Issachar is not of the slightest importance. They are, simply, the biggest scoundrels who have ever dirtied the face of the earth." (Letter to Jean-Baptiste Nicolas de Lisle de Sales, December 15, 1773. Correspondance. 86:166)
"They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race." (Lettres de Memmius a Ciceron, 1771)

More empty rhetoric.

QuYKtwnzG7M

All she's saying is that European cultures need to adjust rationally to different demographics. Hardly anything sinister.

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Classy.


All you've done is post emotive rants, facts that can be easily explained away, and stuff taken out of context. This just seems like a deep seated hatred of Jews on your part rather than anything rational.

[Siberyak]

Everyone was savage back then, the Jews were no different. The Germans after the Battle of Teutoburg Forest reportedly cooked some of the Roman officers. Also, these people were fighting for their freedom; while that doesn't excuse all of their actions, it's perfectly understandable that they would have been fierce. Their opponents certainly weren't angels.




Cultural exclusivity back then was no uncommon at all. For the Jews, it was a way of preserving their culture. Also, some of the important prophets explicitly state that the Jews should be friendly to foreigners in Israel.
As to usury, no one can pin that exclusively on the Jews. The only reason it was was because banking was a trade that many Jews were forced into during the Midde Ages because Christians weren't allowed to. Forcing someone into doing something and then blaming them for it makes no sense.



He was talking about how the Jews had fallen away from the spirit of Mosaic law, not how they were some cursed people.



Martin Luther was a flaming antisemite who lashed out at the Jews because they did not convert to Protestantism. There is little fact in thei statement, just rhetoric.



Well he's wrong. The Jews were responsible for some of the earliest Christian persecutions, but most of them were local efforts by Gentiles who blamed the Christians when there was a plague or the crops failed because they had angered the gods. And there was of course the state-sanctioned persecutions under emperors like Valerian and Diocletian. Hardly any of this could be laid at the feet of the Jews.



Certain Jews did, many didn't. Conservative sects that wanted to be able to live under the legalistic style of Judaism of the Pharisees hated Jesus. But much of the common folk loved him for what he did. Thsi is hardly a condemnation of all Jews across time.



Nothing but prejudiced, unsustainble rhetoric.



More empty rhetoric.



The Jews initially supported Bolshevism because they saw it as an atheistic alternative to the Orthodox Russian Empire that had persecuted them for centuries. Who could blame them? Note that this quote is in 1920, before the Stalinistic purges. After those, Jewish support for the Soviet Union dropped precipitiously.



What is this "feature" that Lindbergh talks about? If the Jews were offended by something that was going to be aired, they had every right to withdraw their endorsements. The rest is just tin foil hat nonsense.




The first part is just the ramblings of the bigot. As for the second part, the greed of some Jewish bankers hardly condemns the whole people.



Henry Ford was a bigot who gave engines to the Luftwaffe. Hardly a credible source.



Oh no, the Jews paid the darkes a fair share and upset the racists! What a horrible thing!:rolleyes::rolleyes:



Again, the Jew was the "money-getter" because that was one of the only trades where he could make a good living. If the Christian powers didn't want to deal with Jewish banking, maybe they should have allowed them to have other professions.



Overly broad picture that had no bearing on reality.



More empty rhetoric.



More empty rhetoric.



More empty rhetoric.

QuYKtwnzG7M

All she's saying is that European cultures need to adjust rationally to different demographics. Hardly anything sinister.

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Classy.


All you've done is post emotive rants, facts that can be easily explained away, and stuff taken out of context. This just seems like a deep seated hatred of Jews on your part rather than anything rational.[/QUOTE]

Jews have funded and been at the very top of the Anti-white Southern Poverty Law Center which goes to different schools around the usa teaching us to love niggers.

[Xenomorph]

Classy.


All you've done is post emotive rants, facts that can be easily explained away, and stuff taken out of context. This just seems like a deep seated hatred of Jews on your part rather than anything rational.

Jews have funded and been at the very top of the Anti-white Southern Poverty Law Center which goes to different schools around the usa teaching us to love niggers.[/QUOTE]

So what, we should be taught to hate them instead? Is hatred the core of Euro-heritage pride?

[2Cool]

Where does the hate for Jews come from? I never quite understood it. I mean, a lot of them look European. Sure they have a different religion, but so what? Europe is super secular now and most Jews that I know barely practice their religion or are Atheists.

[rhiannon]

To both Xenomorph and 2Cool::thumb001:

[CelticViking]

Where does the hate for Jews come from? I never quite understood it. I mean, a lot of them look European. Sure they have a different religion, but so what? Europe is super secular now and most Jews that I know barely practice their religion or are Atheists.

Jew is part of the Semitic race like Arabs not a religion.
Judaism is the religion.

[2Cool]

Jew is part of the Semitic race like Arabs not a religion.
Judaism is the religion.

It's a loose "ethnicity". Especially if you consider the differences in phenotype and culture between Ashkenazi, Sephardi Jews or even Ethiopian Jews. In the future, as less people care about religion the concept of Jewish people will cease to exist imo, except in Israel.

Many Jews in Europe look European due to admixture with other Europeans anyways so I don't see what's the problem. It terms of phenotype, most would fit with European populations without any problem. There are also pretty well integrated in European society unless other minorities in Europe. So I don't see the hate. If it's because they hold a disproportional amount of wealth, well... that's Europe and Christianity's problem.

[CelticViking]

It's a loose "ethnicity". Especially if you consider the differences in phenotype and culture between Ashkenazi, Sephardi Jews or even Ethiopian Jews. In the future, as less people care about religion the concept of Jewish people will cease to exist imo, except in Israel.
.

Israel Jews even don't like Ethiopian Jews or American Jews or Arabs.
Arabs are still Semitic.

There is differences in phenotype and culture between with ever race.

[CelticViking]

I believe the international bankers control the IMF, the Federal Reserve Bank and control the worlds monetary supply. These bankers are mostly Jewish, led by the Rothchilds, but other nasty people like George Soros and Henry Kissinger. These are the most dangerous people, and we need to keep an eye on their doings.

They probably started this worldwide recession, like they started others. The more instability in the world, the more they gain. They always make money on war, and try to name a period where there was not some war going on somewhere in the world.

They are behind the one world multicultural movement, which they see themselves as the new glorious leaders.

I believe that they are the puppet masters, the last two American puppets were G. W. Bush and now the Ombongo.

Those wars are Semitic vs Semitic.
We shouldn't help any of them.
Many people of European descent have died for 10 years.
Perhaps Millions.

[West]

The product of lust and religious fanaticism. This kind of stuff happens all over the world and can't be pinned specifically on the Jews or Israel.

Actually, it can, as they are responsible for their part of it. And that part comprises one of the largest sex slave trafficking economies in the world, raking in over one billion USD per year in the trafficking of mostly white gentile women from eastern Europe. There is no other country documented to do a higher volume of trafficking of white gentile women, in either dollar amounts or aggregate totals of kidnapped persons.

That, specifically, can be pinned on Israeli Jews.


Also, that last picture makes me believe that you care more for the fact that it's white Gentile women being hurt rather than just women in general.

Really? Your throwing around leftist style accusations of "you only care about yourselves" in a discussion of kidnapping and serial rape of our women, on a forum dedicated to European ethnic preservation? You embarrass yourself.

First, I love the chutzpah of making such a typical, yet ineffective, attempt at invective based on our concern over a picture of someone of our own ethnicity. If Jewish women were being mistreated and pictured, we are assured that your concern wouldn't have been if we cared about people other than the Jews.

We can't even lament the serial rape of European women without someone attempting to guilt us for it and shout us down. Hilarious. My, my, a picture of a brown skinned girl from Africa would be so much more appropriate and politically correct. Would you ask, then, if we only cared about black women?

The fact is, this forum is about care of our own. And, in this instance, the mistreatment is on a grand scale in the specific country mentioned. All peoples deserve someone who will stand up for them. Unfortunately, the Marxist political climate has made it all but impossible for ethnic Europeans to organize for their rights, including the rights of their abused. To question our concern is spitting in the face of all ethnic Europeans, including that of these mistreated women, as collective attention to the issue is so rare as it is.

Furthermore, your later responses to the quotes about Jewish power, while understandable and sometimes making good points, are one sided to the point of not being objective. For instance, if your counterpoint to Henry Ford is that he was a "bigot", then you won't win any rhetorical points here, especially given the fact that what you mean to say is that the Jews didn't like what he had to say about them. However, just because someone makes statements that are against your best interest does not nullify his credibility as a source. You'd have to come up with something better than "bigot" to make such a statement, and the fact that you should know this makes you a waste of time and a troll. Another curious point of rhetoric that you make is the justification of Jewish support for the destruction of Orthodox Church in Russia, the pillar of Russian nationalism. Oppression is no excuse to attempt to destroy their society with Bolshevism (and succeeding). They were the minority, and as such guests in the country of the Russians. It is this "every form of nationalism must be destroyed for the sake of the Jews" mentality that pits you against the rest of the west. The rational thing to do would be to all move to Israel, or tolerate their minority status and act as respectful guests in foreign lands. But that is not the choice the Jews have made.

Actually, I would love a western partnership with Jews, as I find them enjoyable as people (the ones that I know, including a close friend) and as long as power could be respected and shared, with no frontal assaults on any nations heritage or ethno-nationalist well being, then it would be ideal. The reality of the situation is different and sad, but also it must be confronted.

Your responses and your apologist tone about Israeli human trafficking, the latter being much more deplorable and disgusting, makes it clear here that your a troll, and a rather naive one at that given the forum and the subject matter.

First post. Yeah!

[PetiteParisienne]

I see Ashkenazi Jews as a European ethnic group, so I selected the penultimate option. Hasids and the Orthodox are set apart from non-practicing Ashkenazim in my mind, as they are fanatical and insular.

[The Lawspeaker]

A formidable opponent. But far from the only threat. However: they do tend to serve, by far and large, as the group that opens the gates in order to let in the enemy (the fifth column). So when it comes to that they should receive special attention and be excluded from certain jobs and be kept away from positions of financial, cultural, military and political power.

[RoyBatty]

A formidable opponent. But far from the only threat. However: they do tend to serve, by far and large, as the group that opens the gates in order to let in the enemy (the fifth column). So when it comes to that they should receive special attention and be excluded from certain jobs and be kept away from positions of financial, cultural, military and political power.

Not to mention the Media which is one of their primary instruments used to corrupt and brainwash the masses.

Frankfurt School Liberal-Marxism is being implemented in schools where it is used to implant sick ideas into little children. We are all familiar with the liberal-leftwing armchair-Marxist Culture which predominates in Colleges and Universities.

Trying to sort out the good ones from the bad ones is an impossible, hopeless task. Hence it's better to not let them get a foothold in one's country in the first place. Once they do the naive native populations are soon placed under the Zionist jackboot.

Israel, the Jewish Homeland, would never tolerate Muslim or American-Evangelist mass immigration or takeovers of their Banks, Govt, Media, Police, Military etc etc.

Why should we and why do we? It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Contra Mundum]

At least 10 lunatics voted I see.