"Murder of immigrants in Russia"

[Jarl]

Googletranslated from:

http://polonia.wp.pl/title,W-Rosji-morduja-imigrantow,wid,11288349,wiadomosc.html


More than 400 foreigners have been killed in Russia in the first quarter of this year - the General Prosecutor's Office informed the representative Aleksandr Bastrykin in an interview with the weekly Itogi.

He stressed that over 10 years, the number of crimes committed against the xenophobic violence has increased in principle - by 68% (from 9 to 15 thousand), and these negative trends persist.

According Bastrykina - the lead investigator vertical prosecution system - in the first quarter of 2009, the number of crimes in which foreigners suffered, rose by 4% and amounted to nearly 4 thousand. About 12% of the number of killings, which were 416, while about 16% of the number of acts of violence, which is a consequence of severe injury in the first quarter there were 788 such accidents.

Bastrykin noted that most of these people committing minor crimes. The modern youth, in his view, "more and more exposed to the spread nationalist propaganda, which leads to the spread of fascist ideologies in its environment."

A representative of the Public Prosecutor's Office said that in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Moscow there is a circuit not only increases the number of crimes committed against immigrants, but also of having committed themselves immigrants. (pmm, ap) (pmm, AP)

The arrest of illegal immigrants in Moscow:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5661/imigrancirosjaafp512.jpg

This image is striking. Imagine something like this happening in the Netherlands or in the UK!

[Kempenzoon]

The arrest of illegal immigrants in Moscow:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5661/imigrancirosjaafp512.jpg

This image is striking. Imagine something like this happening in the Netherlands or in the UK!

Wet dream :thumb001:

Sure I'm no friend of the Russians, but at least they don't roll over when their country is invaded.

[Thorum]

What is meant by foreigners? And what is meant by immigrants? Are these attacks against legal immigrants?

[sturmwalkure]

At least Russians are doing something about illegal immigrants. Also, beating of African students are often occurrences. They still don't get the queue they're not welcome or wanted in Russia. Since the Russian government isn't doing anything about the niggers, the Russian patriots often take matters into their own hands.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't like it when they are murdering them but this is usually being done by fringe groups. But I admire the stance of the Russians here. They are not moping around but getting things done. But perhaps the Russians know one thing we don't: it's the best deterrent.... albeit a pretty nasty one.

But I guess that we will see the same things here by fringe groups when our government decides to take the influx one step up.... although I would prefer mass arrests and kicking them over the border.

[Freomæg]

I fully oppose these murders. If not out of consideration for the victims themselves, all this does is to make patriotism synomynous with 'fascism' and 'evil'. I fight almost daily to reverse this perception that preserving your heritage = fascism. Actions like this are counter-productive. It is not the immigrants who we should fight but the governments who invited them. Sure, if illegal immigrants refuse to leave when ordered to by law, they can face the repurcussions.

Of course, it's great that the Russians are making a stand, but I fear they're causing more harm than good in the long run.

[Jarl]

What is meant by foreigners? And what is meant by immigrants? Are these attacks against legal immigrants?

No. Attacks are directed against all immigrants - legal or not, but chiefly against those from Caucasus and former USSR republics in Central Asia (like Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan).

Expulsions of illegal immigrants are conducted by the state. However, many anti-immgration organisations (legal and not legal) are officially supported by members of Duma and Russian government:


Official Russian policy toward immigrants has also lurched toward anti-immigrant populism. With unemployment expected to soar as the economic crisis takes hold, Putin announced in December that quotas would be cut in half in 2009, from 4 million to 2 million permits a year. Russia's State Organization for Migration complains that corrupt police and officials are now routinely shaking down foreign workers. "'Russia is only for Russians'—that's what I hear more and more from nationalist movements, even from members of the government," says Igor Yeleferenko, leader of the United Russia faction in the Moscow city Duma.

A key bellwether of official anti-immigrant sentiment is the government's attitude toward the ultranationalist Movement Against Illegal Immigration (DPNI). In the summer of 2007, police arrested DPNI thugs after they roughed up foreigners in St. Petersburg. But last summer the DPNI was allowed to stage several marches in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Now the movement's leader, Aleksandr Belov, boasts that "finally, we have been heard—the ruling party supports our concerns about the number of illegal immigrants in Russia." Like members of the Young Guard, he now says he plans to train vigilante groups to "help the police" by seeking out illegals.

After: http://www.newsweek.com/id/184777

Apparently "satanic", gay Euros and Brits are not welcome either:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6310883.stm

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090515/155024257.html

http://www.mosnews.com/gallery/1764.phtml


According to updated media reports, up to 80 gay protesters were seized by the Moscow riot police in different parts of the capital throughout the day.

Among those detained were British activist Peter Tatchell and American activist Andy Thayer of Chicago, co-founder of the Gay Liberation Network.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9175/1766580x.jpg

It's striking how many transvestites always participate in gay parades.

[Brännvin]

Imagine something like this happening in the Netherlands or in the UK!

I have no idea about it happening in UK or Netherlands.. but recently in my country all iraqis "refugees" were driven out from Vännäs (a small town), in Västerbotten, I'm especially delighted that it was the locals whom did it :D, not the corrupt authorities, politicians or police..

http://norran.se/nyheter/norrochvasterbotten/article287123.ece

[Jarl]

I have no idea about it happening in UK or Netherlands.. but recently in my country all iraqis "refugees" were driven out from Vännäs (a small town), in Västerbotten, I'm especially delighted that it was the locals whom did it :D, not the corrupt authorities, politicians or police..

http://norran.se/nyheter/norrochvasterbotten/article287123.ece

I think I have heard of a similar case. Is this where some military district is located? Or is this a different case? I assume they were illegal. Im amazed. For a liberal country like Sweden that's astounding. A dim light of hope for Sweden ;)

[Brännvin]

Vännäs is just an ordinary swedish small town fulled with potato farmers, milk farmers and lumberjacks people who didn't want foreign species in the taigas of Scandinavia :D :D

[Jarl]

Vännäs is just an ordinary swedish small town fulled with potato farmers, milk farmers and lumberjacks people who didn't want foreign species in the taigas of Scandinavia :D :D

Damn! Sounds romantic! You should post some pics here, or in the Swedish section if you can.

[Hors]

What is meant by foreigners? And what is meant by immigrants? Are these attacks against legal immigrants?

There is a saying in Russia about Jews who have got passports with entries identifying the holder's ethnicity as Russian: "they will not be kicking the passport [but the face of its holder]"... :D

In other words, Russians don't give a damn either immigrants legal or not, neither the Russian authorities honour the distinction much.

You're either white or not.

[Brännvin]

Are the ethnic Russians from those stan countries counted as immigrants or not?

[Hors]

By whom? By other Russians? No. By the authorities/law? Yes.

Btw, what is a stan country?!!

[Freomæg]

I have no idea about it happening in UK or Netherlands.. but recently in my country all iraqis "refugees" were driven out from Vännäs (a small town), in Västerbotten, I'm especially delighted that it was the locals whom did it :D, not the corrupt authorities, politicians or police..
That's GREAT! Drive them out, sure, but killing should be a final option.

[The Lawspeaker]

By whom? By other Russians? No. By the authorities/law? Yes.

Btw, what is a stan country?!!
the suffix -stan means land or country and comes from Turkish. I am sure he refers to countries like Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan.

[Sol Invictus]

Googletranslated from:
The arrest of illegal immigrants in Moscow:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5661/imigrancirosjaafp512.jpg

This image is striking. Imagine something like this happening in the Netherlands or in the UK!

I have a question for you:

What does the patch say on the arm of the masked man? Was these arrests carried out by Russian Officials or a Citizen's Arrest, and does the picture seen here have any relevance to the article above?

Thanks

[Jarl]

I have a question for you:

What does the patch say on the arm of the masked man? Was these arrests carried out by Russian Officials or a Citizen's Arrest, and does the picture seen here have any relevance to the article above?

Thanks

I believe it is an OMON patch (though I might be wrong). The arrests had to be conducted by the local police. These are apparently pics from Moscow. It has no direct relevance to the killings of immigrants, but rather portrays the policy of the authorities.

[The Lawspeaker]

OMON has quite the reputation. I hope (for their own sake) that those immigrants were sensible and surrendered without lifting as much as a fist....

[Sol Invictus]

I believe it is an OMON patch (though I might be wrong). The arrests had to be conducted by the local police. These are apparently pics from Moscow. It has no direct relevance to the killings of immigrants, but rather portrays the policy of the authorities.

Ah, gotcha. I was just curious, but the patch on the shoulder doesn't look like the same patches I have seen issued to OMON and the unifrom is entirely different, but I guess it would be safe to assume that if there was no chance that this was an armed round-up of immigrants by Russian citizens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest), then it had to of been the city's Police or Immigration squad. I didn't think that Russian policy against illegal inhabitants was so stringent. I guess it's actually refreshing to see, living in North America, and even in the European Union, it's alot different. Like you said, imagine seeing something like this in our own countries! It goes to show you how different, like black and white, the Western society is compared to them..

[Angantyr]

No. Attacks are directed against all immigrants - legal or not, but chiefly against those from Caucasus and former USSR republics in Central Asia (like Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan).

I have lived in Russia (briefly) and in the Ukraine (not so briefly). I had a wife who was a citizen and native of the Ukraine. And yet it was clear that I was a foriegn resident from my accent and the fact that I smiled far too much.

I received no ill treatment whatsoever as a result of being an apparent immigrant stealing one of their women. In fact, I was welcomed by some of the most right-wing elements...because I respected and celebrated their culture, I spoke their languange well, and I was obviously of northern European stock.

[Brännvin]

By whom? By other Russians? No. By the authorities/law? Yes.

Btw, what is a stan country?!!


the suffix -stan means land or country and comes from Turkish. I am sure he refers to countries like Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan.

The point would be if the Russian government count them as immigrants or makes a difference as Germany does with ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe since that many ethnic Russians still live in those republics.

I wonder if someone as Evgeni Nabokov (http://www.skate2stick.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/evgeni-nabokov.jpg) would by the russian authorities be treated as an Kazakhstani immigrant or an equal.

[Hors]

It's pretty easy to acquire the Russian citizenship for anybody from ex-USSR countries.