Is She White and where does pass?

[StonyArabia]

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In Canada no one will question her racial status as White, and the same is true is of the U.S. In Europe she will probably pass in many regions, especially the East and SouthEast portion.

[Mans not hot]

She wouldn't be consider as white in Poland.

[finþaų]

She looks Caucasian, and would probably not pass for "white" in Sweden.

[Sikeliot]

She looks Bulgarian to me.

[P-Chan]

She wouldn't be consider as white in Poland.





would probably not pass for "white" in Sweden.




really?

[Pallantides]

I'm not sure she would be seen as non-white, but she would be perceived as a foreigner.

[Osprey]

Not white, but Caucasian.
Looks persian to me.

[P-Chan]

She doesn't look Scandivavian, but she fits in Slavic countries (particularly in Balcanic region), how can anyone say that she's not white?

[Smaug]

Yes, she passes as white easily.

[Prince Carlo]

Is she Iranian?

[StonyArabia]

Is she Iranian?

No, she is Chechen. She looks nothing like an Iranian.

[Prince Carlo]

To me she looks closer to an Iranian than to a Bulgarian.

[StonyArabia]

To me she looks closer to an Iranian than to a Bulgarian.

You gotta be kidding. I mean in Italy she would not even look out of place.

[Riki]

She would be seen as an Arab in Portugal.

(Beautiful Women nonetheless)

[Smaug]

She would be seen as an Arab in Portugal.

(Beautiful Women nonetheless)

oO She is lighter than half of the Portuguese population...

[Han Cholo]

You gotta be kidding. I mean in Italy she would not even look out of place.

She looks more like an highly cherrypicked Gedrosian/West Asian wog.

[Lábaru]

if she is not white then most of Eastern Europe is not white either.

[Melina]

Maybe she has some admixture but I doubt it. In the U.S she would easily pass as white.

[Furnace]

She has some facial features that ain't very 'white', pigmentation-wise she could fit.

She could pass in the caucasus and in the area south / south-east of turkey.

[Sophie]

I would say she is white, but of the non-European West Asian variety.

[Vatanen]

West-Asian rather than white.

[StonyArabia]

West-Asian rather than white.

West Asians are basically Whites. They are whiter than some "White" groups like those especially present in the Med islands. In North America this Med islander would be easily mistaken for an Arab

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Her:
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would be seen as just White anyone else.

Med islander dancing Children

http://s17.postimage.org/wcwhn6w33/Siciliandancemed.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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West Asian dancing Children

http://s18.postimage.org/66oqujevt/Circassiandance13.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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[Midori]

No. She is not Germanic/Western and therefore she's not white.

[Mikamika]

West Asians are basically Whites. They are whiter than some "White" groups like those especially present in the Med islands. In North America this Med islander would be easily mistaken for an Arab

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Her:

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would be seen as just White anyone else.


I agree with what you are saying, but many (most?) people on this forum are NOT from North America, and therefore have a different standard for judging someone as white. The fact that she would be considered white in the U.S. or Canada is of little importance; there are more dubious looking people who are considered white. It's not necessary to think it terms of white or non-white, but more like native (to one's respective country) or foreign and European or non-European. And considering the fact that you posted this question where people are more anthropologically trained than average, don't you think they might notice her differences faster and be more confident in their judgement?

The girl you posted has a definite "eastern" vibe about her that would make her stick out in a host of European nations. In my opinion, she looks quite Caucasian (as in from the Caucasus) than European. Whether she's white or not depends on a person's politics and culture.

[rashka]

I voted yes. She probably has hairy eyebrows so she plucks them.

Chechens are mixed with slavs so I consider them to be more Euro looking than the neighboring countries below them.

[P-Chan]

West Asian dancing Children

http://s18.postimage.org/66oqujevt/Circassiandance13.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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Common west Asian children

Palestine
http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/child483.jpg

Armenia
http://www.armenianchildrensfund.org/images/intro_pic.jpg

Syria
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/03/28/li-620-syria-children-rt.jpg


Iraq
http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/iraqi_children.jpg

[P-Chan]

anyway who says that the girl in the pictures isn't white is surely mad. That girl is white, She's probably of south slavic or north caucasus+russian ancestry.

[Insuperable]

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[Damião de Góis]

oO She is lighter than half of the Portuguese population...

Oh really? Then how does this half of the portuguese population look like then?

Please tell me, with all your brazilian knowledge.

[Smaug]

Oh really? Then how does this half of the portuguese population look like then?

Please tell me, with all your brazilian knowledge.

Swarthy.

[Damião de Góis]

Swarthy.

I see. So basically acording to you half of these people are swarthy (for brazilian standards at least) and darker than the woman on the thread:

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2pov1bo.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2j3o0p2.jpg

http://img12.nnm.ru/a/5/6/6/8/a0fffc65948ffc3f7d702350b3f.jpg

That's awesome.. :rolleyes:

[Han Cholo]

Circassians (and other Kavkaz people) are called Black-asses in Russia for a reason (and it obviously isn't because they are "very white")

http://pics.livejournal.com/magas_dedyakov/pic/0009rak0

http://y.delfi.ua/norm/2932/300294_kKwKE1.jpeg

http://adyge-news.com/images/deti_iz_turci.jpg

Don't trust CircassianWine posts about them. He has like 2 or 3 years posting the same series of pictures with all blue eyed specimens over and over precisely because there is not a lot of them. Sure some light Chechens exist, but in any massive picture of them you can see how most of them look more like very light Iranians or Pashtuns than like Hungarians or Romanians, or even Portuguese.

[Rosenrot]

I agreed that each nation have your own notion of the overall racial terms (White, brown, yellow, black), and that's why it's discussed over and over on this forum.

Of course to everyone, individuals of northern Europe(being them Swedish, Finnish or Russians) are considered white. Simply because they are obviously much lighter than any other ethnicity|o|

What varies a lot is how southern Europeans, Northern Africans and west asians are seen. Not every European is considered white depending on the nation. For example, as discussed previously ... For the Australians, the Italians 'wog's' immigrants are racial criminal pests, almost 'niggas' (and they're europeans, the Australians are... Australians). And for the Yankees, the Anglo-Americans are the whites.

In Brazil .......... In our Untermensch Latin American point of view, this girl the topic speaks of, would be considered pretty white. So are considered the Iberians, and they (Iberians) are placed in the same category to Germans or Swedishs without much confusion. So are the Italians - Every european descendant without clarly negroid, Arab, Indian or Asian traits are considered white in here. Some arabs and people from caucasus too (Lebaneses, Georgians, Armenians, etc...).

For example....

This girl (Spanish and Arab anscestry) is considered white in here...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/528394_405641299473878_1879130231_n.jpg

.. so are this boy and his sister (jewishs family from Poland, Israel and Romenia..)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424339_277484395653248_1090308615_n.jpg

... And they and this fellow are in the same category to this guy (German)...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/167747_114280445311167_4510687_n.jpg

... plus this other guy... (Brazilian/American of Spanish and English ancestry i think...)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/284318_2324751875078_3378942_n.jpg


They all are white Brazilians to our census. But this girl is not considered white, although she don't have a dark skin pigmentation. IM wouldn't as well (sorry IM.)...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/261329_121330534622156_442894_n.jpg

But who cares what we think, anyway? :P Well... Just an example of how this changes from nation to nation... The 'white identity'. The fact my 'white example (Jews? Arabs? What the.... ) will be considered absurd to some, shows such thing.

[Smaug]

I see. So basically acording to you half of these people are swarthy (for brazilian standards at least) and darker than the woman on the thread:

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2pov1bo.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2j3o0p2.jpg

http://img12.nnm.ru/a/5/6/6/8/a0fffc65948ffc3f7d702350b3f.jpg

That's awesome.. :rolleyes:

Cool down. Why's all that agression? Insisting in "Brazilian Standards". Remember that most of population here is non-white, so there's nothing to say... Yes, for my standards there are many swarthy Portuguese. I live in a former Portuguese colony full of people of pure Portuguese descent, and even Portuguese-born people living here... And I myself have some Portuguese ancestry (from Braga, NW). Is it a problem the fact that there are some swarthy Portuguese? Of course not! Portugal is in Southern Europe! It's perfectly normal... I didn't mean to offend you buddy, I'm sorry if I did!

[Damião de Góis]

Cool down. Why's all that agression? Insisting in "Brazilian Standards". Remember that most of population here is non-white, so there's nothing to say... Yes, for my standards there are many swarthy Portuguese. I live in a former Portuguese colony full of people of pure Portuguese descent, and even Portuguese-born people living here... And I myself have some Portuguese ancestry (from Braga, NW). Is it a problem the fact that there are some swarthy Portuguese? Of course not! Portugal is in Southern Europe! It's perfectly normal... I didn't mean to offend you buddy, I'm sorry if I did!

I'm just wondering where the "half are swarthy" comes from. If this girl is the base of comparison, then i don't think "half are swarthy".

[Smaug]

I'm just wondering where the "half are swarthy" comes from. If this girl is the base of comparison, then i don't think "half are swarthy".

"Half are Swarthy" was just a figure of speech.

[StonyArabia]

Common west Asian children

Palestine
http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/child483.jpg

Armenia
http://www.armenianchildrensfund.org/images/intro_pic.jpg

Syria
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/03/28/li-620-syria-children-rt.jpg


Iraq
http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/iraqi_children.jpg

Iraqis are SouthWestAsian and cluster with Saudis. The Syrians are mixed with SouthWest Asians and so are the Palestinians, well the Armenians have south Asian and SouthWest Asian. Real West Asians are Georgians, Adyghe, Chechens, Karbadians, Balkars, Karchays, Ingush, Avars.

[rashka]

I... And they and this fellow are in the same category to this guy (German)...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/167747_114280445311167_4510687_n.jpg

Is he from Brazil? He looks like a relative of mine. How would he be classified?

[rockstar]

the label "white is really quite relative. there are western europeans who dont accept italians and slavs as "white". we all have different standards of what "white" should be. but to me, yeah id say shes white. she looks slavic. maybe even Finnish?

[finþaų]

the label "white is really quite relative. there are western europeans who dont accept italians and slavs as "white". we all have different standards of what "white" should be. but to me, yeah id say shes white. she looks slavic. maybe even Finnish?

No way.

[Mans not hot]

Is he from Brazil? He looks like a relative of mine. How would he be classified?
He look Slavic more than teh OP, indeed.

[Archduke]

She looks Bulgarian to me.

:loco:

She is light pigmented but her feautres are totally foreign.

[rockstar]

No way.

yeah, now that you mention it. i change my opinion. not Finnish, but definitely look east slav.

[Sultan Suleiman]

In the first pic she wouldn't be out of place in any Slavic country.

[Riki]

oO She is lighter than half of the Portuguese population...

It's not about how light she look's.
Her facial structure is atypical to Portugal.
Because she is not Black, People would assume her to be some kind of Arab.

[Han Cholo]

yeah, now that you mention it. i change my opinion. not Finnish, but definitely look east slav.

Not at all man:

http://s14.postimage.org/rj5r4hnw1/x_3e9d9cf9.jpg

That looks more like a North Persian face than anything from Europe, let alone Slavs.

[StonyArabia]

Not at all man:

http://s14.postimage.org/rj5r4hnw1/x_3e9d9cf9.jpg

That looks more like a North Persian face than anything from Europe, let alone Slavs.

She looks like nothing like a North Persian lol. She looks more like Bosnian/Bulgarian than a Persian. Show me a Persian that looks like her.

[Han Cholo]

She looks like nothing like a North Persian lol. She looks more like Bosnian/Bulgarian than a Persian. Show me a Persian that looks like her.

Just look at Tannis classification threads. This kind of face looks like them more than a Bosnian or Bulgarian.

[StonyArabia]

Just look at Tannis classification threads. This kind of face looks like them more than a Bosnian or Bulgarian.

I have, they look nothing like the woman I posted. Iranians from Iran don't really overlap with North Caucasians, the only Iranic group that has some slight overlap is the Kurds. If you mean Ossetian sure, but a Persian no. They are very much admixed with Dravidians and Semites not mention Mongols.

[Han Cholo]

I have, they look nothing like the woman I posted. Iranians from Iran don't really overlap with North Caucasians, the only Iranic group that has some slight overlap is the Kurds. If you mean Ossetian sure, but a Persian no. They are very much admixed with Dravidians and Semites not mention Mongols.

Iranians do overlap a lot with North Caucasians, as they are predominantly West Asian. Persians also don't have Dravidian admixture. Their South Asian levels are comparable to Lezgins and Chechens. They just have a little less North Euro and a little higher SW Asian. Their overall genome is more similar to North Caucasian than North Causasians are to Balkanians and S.Euros.

[Sophie]

She looks like nothing like a North Persian lol. She looks more like Bosnian/Bulgarian than a Persian. Show me a Persian that looks like her.

She would fit in easily. Northern Iranians of the Caspian shores are phenotypically almost the same as Caucasians.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/5785172582_63631343b8.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2049/5784616027_59496779a7.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5190/5769575450_49e1e7b410.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5225/5619507792_8c3a40c3e9.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Love8/4_8611230278_L600.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2854788833_5dee60bce1.jpg
http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/3/Galesh.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ax8VKIOoKt8/TZHD8dY0V_I/AAAAAAAAA_o/mtGgXpMQQSk/s1600/persian-girls.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5270/5812745705_2c2bddd10a.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8noaTNfh9B8/SnpinM-qirI/AAAAAAAABKU/9S32UJUM62I/s320/iranian-girls-iranian-cute-girls-persian-girls-irananian-beautiful-girls-iranian-girls-hijab.jpg
http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/iranianwoman_en.jpg%3Fw%3D337%26h%3D432

[Supreme American]

She's a Chechen. Horrifyingly she's named "MECCA."

[Pallantides]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2854788833_5dee60bce1.jpg
This girl could pass in Scandinavia

[Lemon Kush]

No. Totally non-white/Germanic looking.

[Trun]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28047310.jpg

:picard1:

[beaver]

Didnt read all thread (its too big). I would perceive her as a Caucasian girl (Northern, rather western). Very nice girl.

[beaver]

feuerfrei
The most interesting thing is that Caucasians differ from others at all. We have here hard time sometime to distinguish e.g. Ireland from Russia.

[Also]

She looks white to me.