Classify Greek: Maria Callas

[Christina]

http://upload.luckyworld.net/diskboard/2012/05/18/0518_7323.jpg
http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/getty/1/2/3359312.jpg
http://www.theplace2.ru/archive/maria_callas/img/maria-callas2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vbrMa5TSSdY/S9Inmrq51pI/AAAAAAAAElg/uCDA5xFaGeg/s1600/callas+laughing+at+another+of+my+jokes.jpg
http://i2.listal.com/image/43587/600full-maria-callas.jpg
http://silvanachu.com/Portals/14/Images/My%20Favorites/Artists/Maria%20Callas.jpg
http://whatgives365.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/emi-classics.jpg

She was a Greek-American.

[Patches]

East Med + Alpinid

[GeistFaust]

Taurid-East-Mediterranid with additional Alpinoid influences possible.

[Christina]

Taurid-East-Mediterranid with additional Alpinoid influences possible.

I don't know about Taurid phenotype well.
Can you explain?

[Sikeliot]

Taurid = what people say when they can't decide if they see Dinarid or Armenoid.

[Christina]

Taurid = what people say when they can't decide if they see Dinarid or Armenoid.

Then I guess they are closed with Dinarids. :rolleyes:

[GeistFaust]

Its basically an intermediate between Armenoid-Dinarid, and generally I find it amongst Jews, Italians, and other Southeastern European peoples generally, so it can be said to be a transitional type between Armenoid and Dinarid with more of a Dinarid tendency to it.

[CelticViking]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xbz-3pA58Fs/TDGqp_VB3PI/AAAAAAAAAEE/PDI_8PlEVPg/s1600/_.._IICManager_Upload_IMG_LosAngeles_MariaCallas.j pg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-499wa4sm3SU/T-ac61BSEDI/AAAAAAAABLY/eEdcC-QuDco/s1600/Maria-Callas1.jpg

[Horus]

Looks East Mediterranid to me.

[Midori]

Looks East Mediterranid to me.

I agree.

[aherne]

She looks like a reconstruction of Minoans. Latter originated from Western Anatolia, but within so many thousands of years this Mediterannean-Armenoid mix got a very Greek vibe, including a skin tone which simply does not happen in region of origin today:
http://i2.listal.com/image/43587/600full-maria-callas.jpg

[Trun]

Dinaricized East Med. If she was darker, she'd probably fit in the Middle East.

[Absinthe]

East Med/Armenoid

[Trun]

How common is her look in Greece? From what I've seen, not the most. She resembles some Armenian and Levantine women.

[Azalea]

^I agree with you, for the first time.

http://i2.listal.com/image/43587/600full-maria-callas.jpg

Especially in this picture she looks very Levantine. I know a Turkish-Arab girl from Southern Turkey/Hatay who looks like her.

[tEhSaint]

Armenoid/Anadolid

[Azalea]

*delete*

Don't they look alike? Don't quote the picture of the girl please.

[Su]

Armenoid + East Med

[Absinthe]

Not common at all. She reminds me of Sophia Loren, who also isn't typical of her nation.

[Sikeliot]

She doesn't strike me as typically Greek. In fact she looks quite Armenian to me. She's one of the more extreme examples of Greeks, akin to someone like Sophia Loren for Italy.

[aherne]

She doesn't strike me as typically Greek. In fact she looks quite Armenian to me. She's one of the more extreme examples of Greeks, akin to someone like Sophia Loren for Italy.

It's quite a common look, especially in the islands where Anatolian element is strongly dominant, by tribute to the fact they had no native population prior to Anatolian (Pelasgian) settlement 5000 years ago (themselves pushed out of their homeland by ancestors of Hittites/Luwians). Her type reflects entirely minoan morphology:
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/minoans-knossos.jpg
Notice we are dealing with Mediterannean-Armenoids with light skin...

[Aviane]

^^I agree with you mostly.

She does look like she has a phenotype to Greece which is specific.

She could fit into The Levant, the Caucaus, Turkey, Cyprus, Malta, Sicily and even Iberia apart from Greece.

Eastern Mediterranid + Armenoid.

[aherne]

^^I agree with you mostly.

She does look like she has a phenotype to Greece which is specific.

She could fit into The Levant, the Caucaus, Turkey, Cyprus, Malta, Sicily and even Iberia apart from Greece.

Eastern Mediterranid + Armenoid.

She can fit as Georgian very well, as a matter of fact, since Georgians for some reason preserve ancient (Northern) Anatolian typology quite well. She can fit in Sicily by virtue of Greek genes present there. She looks unusual in Turkey and Levant and she can never pass as Iberian (looks completely atypical).

[King Claus]

east med with taurid and anatolid

[Sikeliot]

I'd guess Cypriot if I didn't know, but she also looks Anatolian. Her type is found in eastern Sicily like in Enna and Catania (some of the women in the thread I just posted resemble her) but I would not say she is typical there nor in most of Greece either for that matter.

[Leon_C]

Taurid - East med

Regarding the Taurid classification, I always thought Taurids were more CM influenced and robust than Dinarids or Armenoids but other than that look like an intermediate.

[Constantine13]

One of the taller, straight-nosed Meds (Atlanto?) mixed with Armenoid. Mainland Greek looking: not really. Cretan: yeah.

On that note, what is this East Med type people here keep talking about? Anyone care to elaborate? I've never seen a proper definition of this.

There's only a few types of Meds, I believe; variations are due to admixture within the last 10-20 thousand years.

[Hellenas]

It's quite a common look, especially in the islands where Anatolian element is strongly dominant, by tribute to the fact they had no native population prior to Anatolian (Pelasgian) settlement 5000 years ago (themselves pushed out of their homeland by ancestors of Hittites/Luwians). Her type reflects entirely minoan morphology:
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/minoans-knossos.jpg
Notice we are dealing with Mediterannean-Armenoids with light skin...

Unscientific nonsense by a Romanian/German bastard MORON as well who has no idea of what Aegean European Mediterranean Greeks are.

THE ORIGIN OF THE HELLENES(Aris Poulianos)
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/24/updated-origin-hellenes-aris-poulianos

[Roy]

East Med + Armenoid.

[Sharkeatpeople]

East Med/Armenoid mix +Alpine

[Sikeliot]

I still think she is atypical for the mainland.

[Maleficent]

EastMed/Pontid/Dinarid.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

East Mediterranean with some Alpine influence.

[Sharkeatpeople]

EastMed/Pontid/Dinarid.
Please , tell me, what you saw in it from Pontid or Dinaric?

[Sikeliot]

Please , tell me, what you saw in it from Pontid or Dinaric?

She's Pontid/Armenoid to me, not East Med.

[Sharkeatpeople]

She's Pontid/Armenoid to me, not East Med.
possible for you, even though for the Greeks are not peculiar type Pontid,and your opinion interesting for me,but I'm interested in the answer FaerieQueene also.

[Sharkeatpeople]

EastMed/Pontid/Dinarid.

where Pontid/Dinarid?

[Maleficent]

where Pontid/Dinarid?

In the nose and eyes, the overall face is East Med.

[Sharkeatpeople]

In the nose and eyes, the overall face is East Med.

you want to say, her eyes-Pontid, and her nose Dinariс,I understand you correctly?

[Maleficent]

you want to say, her eyes-Pontid, and her nose Dinariс,I understand you correctly?Yes.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Yes.

This is stuff and nonsense for me.

[Maleficent]

This is stuff and nonsense for me.
Okay, your classification is better then.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Okay, your classification is better then.
haha:)
whatever you say,whatever you say...

[Maleficent]

haha:)
whatever you say,whatever you say...:thumb001:

[orangepulp]

East med + Armenoid. Wow she looks very Levantine.

[Sharkeatpeople]

:thumb001:

:rockon:

[Sikeliot]

East med + Armenoid. Wow she looks very Levantine.

I think she looks more Turkish.

[orangepulp]

I think she looks more Turkish.

She could pass but I think she fits in the Levant better.

[Sikeliot]

She could pass but I think she fits in the Levant better.

Possibly, I couldn't say. She resembles one of my grandmother's sisters (from my father's side) when she was younger, though. I can try to find a picture.

[Hadouken]

she is pure eastmed imo

[Sikeliot]

she is pure eastmed imo

She's clearly Armenoid in many respects.

[YeshAtid]

East med

[Hadouken]

She's clearly Armenoid in many respects.

explain

[Sikeliot]

explain

It's not obvious in those pictures but it is in this one.. she's not even East Med at all to me but pushing Iranid actually.. she looks more like a Kurd or Iranian than anything East Med:

http://www.cpinternet.com/~mbayly/icons/callasin1968.jpg

[Hadouken]

It's not obvious in those pictures but it is in this one.. she's not even East Med at all to me but pushing Iranid actually.. she looks more like a Kurd or Iranian than anything East Med:

http://www.cpinternet.com/~mbayly/icons/callasin1968.jpg

imo she looks greek :)

[Bloodsport]

http://foglobe.com/data_images/main/maria-callas/maria-callas-08.jpg
http://operagasm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Maria-Callas.jpg

She looks Greek but could pass in Armenia or the Levant.

[Sikeliot]

imo she looks greek :)

IMO she is very far from what is typically Greek. She's the Greek equivalent of what Sophia Loren is to Italian from Campania -- atypical.

[YeshAtid]

IMO she is very far from what is typically Greek. She's the Greek equivalent of what Sophia Loren is to Italian from Campania -- atypical.

How is Loren atypical?

[Sikeliot]

How is Loren atypical?

Also kind of Persian looking.

[YeshAtid]

Also kind of Persian looking.

Her face was disfigured during ww2, as a result of shrapnel.
During World War II, the harbour and munitions plant in Pozzuoli was a frequent bombing target of the Allies. During one raid, as Loren ran to the shelter, she was struck by shrapnel and wounded in the chin. After that, the family moved to Naples, where they were taken in by distant relatives

[Kalimtari]

Cleopatra look, very pretty

[Kastrioti1443]

East Med

[aja675]

Looks East Mediterranid to me.

+1

[Dianatomia]

She looks Greek to me. You can find this look sporadically in any part of Greece.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

Armenoid+Pontid.Looks uber turkish to me

[Kosteece]

She's a mediterranid-armenoid mix.
She is the one and only La Divina.
One of the greatest sopranos of all time.