IMRO and Ustaša - Brothers in arms

[Rastko]

On this day, 9 october 1934th year joint Croatian (Ustasha - Croatian Revolutionary Organization) and Bulgaria and Macedonia (VMRO-IMRO) national revolutionaries conducted an assasination of Yugoslav dictator King Alexander Karadjordjevic. Executor against Yugoslav dictator Veličko Kerin alias Vlado Černozemski and in the Croatian side Mijo Kralj, Ivan Rajic and Zvonko Pospišil. Organizer and leader of the assassins, until the arrival in Marseille was Eugen Dido Kvaternik Colonel Slavko Kvaternik's son. Ante Pavelic was sentenced in absentia to death for the second time.
Glory to Croatian and Bulgarian-Macedonian revolutionaries!

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In the official report, the king's last words were: "Take care of Yugoslavia" and informal, and more likely, "Fuck them, hell, they killed me" :D

[Flintlocke]

Back then people were truly revolutionary and had lots of cojones whether leftist of fascist. Nowadays we're full of complainers and protesters.

[Vojnik]

Da zivee Makedonia i Hrvatska.
Long live Macedonia and Croatia.


Slusaj bre kralu.
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Za dom Spremni!

Svoboda ili Smrt!

[Archduke]

Our ancestors were fighting for this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Axis_occupation_of_Yugoslavia_1943-44.png

Long live NDH!!

Long live Tsarstvo Bulgaria!!!!!!!!

[Vojnik]

The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation at the time were fighting for the secession of Vardar Macedonia from the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, were we were seen, against our will, ethnically and nationally as Southern Serbs.


After the Ustaše's Velebit uprising in November 1932, Alexander said across an intermediary to the Italian government: If you want to have serious riots in Yugoslavia or cause a regime change, you need to kill me. Shoot at me and be sure you have finished me off, because that's the only way to make changes in Yugoslavia.

So Vlado Chernozemski finished him off. Vlado was killed by the crowd of people and police right after he assassinated the king. He was a brave man to do what he did. Sadly, it was sought of in vein, because today as a result of being under Serbian/Yugoslavian oppression and brainwashing, Macedonians are strongly against the fact that we are one people with Bulgarians with strong historic, linguistic, cultural and ethnic ties . Vlado died for the unification of Macedonia with Bulgaria, but today Macedonia does not want anything to do with Bulgaria or Bulgarians.

[Crn Volk]

VMRO was fighting for a united and independent Macedonia

http://www.angelfire.com/super2/vmro-istorija/Images/karta300.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/super2/vmro-istorija/index.html

Even Mihailoff supported this in his book

http://www.bgemigration.org/store/bookstore/english/107/cover.jpg

http://www.bgemigration.org/store/bookstore/english/107/107.html

[Archduke]

VMRO was fighting for a united and independent Macedonia

The first name was VMORO. Their aim was to gain autonomy for Macedonia and Adrianople regions in Ottoman Empire and then to unite them with mother Bulgaria, just like Eastern Rumelia did. Later it became just VMRO.

Ante Pavelić concluded in Bulgaria an agreement with VMRO to work together to undermine the Yugoslav state. Croats always supported Bulgarians.

[Archduke]

Anywayz Sokol, plz don't ruin this useful thread.

Your Serboman shit arguments are not needed.

[Vojnik]

Anywayz Sokol, plz don't ruin this useful thread.

Your Serboman shit arguments are not needed.

Everyone's opinions are needed and should be respected, even if you might not agree with them.

[Vojnik]

I saw this on Wikipedia and I thought I would post it.


http://i49.tinypic.com/23tfoxs.jpg

[Archduke]

Everyone's opinions are needed and should be respected, even if you might not agree with them.

Of course, but the threads related with the Macedonian issues are already enough. This thread is for the brave ancestors of Bulgarians and Croats which were fighting together to crush Serboslavia and to unite their ethnic lands.

Sokol can make another thread where we can argue about IMRO and if it is Macedonian or Bulgarian organization.

[Crn Volk]

Macedonians and Croats have worked together on many occasions. We are still great friends. Macedonians in Croatia for example are a recognized minority and are treated very well.

http://www.makedonci-zagreb.hr/
http://www.zmurh.hr/

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/423258_364004143634067_1403894720_n.jpg

[Archduke]

Macedonians and Croats have worked together on many occasions. We are still great friends. Macedonians in Croatia for example are a recognized minority and are treated very well.

Great, but you should know that all old Croatian books are one of the biggest enemies of Macedonism. :D

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[Archduke]

Back to topic.

Vlado Chernozemski in Ustas uniform

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Cernozemski_ustaska_uniforma.jpg

[Lena]

Our ancestors were fighting for this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Axis_occupation_of_Yugoslavia_1943-44.png



Partizanski odredi bili su početni oblik organizacije NOVJ. Ustrojavani su po teritorijalnom principu, a veličina je varirala od nekoliko desetina do oko tisuće vojnika. Na području Hrvatske ustrojeno ih je 71 partizanski odred i 64 brigade, više nego i u jednoj drugoj republici bivše SFRJ. Kasnije su brigade intengrirane u krupnije postrojbe, divizije, kojih je na području Hrvatske osnovano 16. Divizije su obično brojale do nekoliko tisuća boraca. Od kraja 1943. godine, u Hrvatskoj se počinju formirati korpusi, od kojih je do kraja rata djelovalo ukupno pet, a svaki se sastojao od nekoliko desetina tisuća boraca.
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Odredi:

1. Banijski

2. Bilogorski

3. Bjelovarski

4. Biokovski

5. Brački

6. Bribirski

7. Bukovički

8. Buzetsko-porečki

9. Cetinski

10. Četvrti lički

11. Dalmatinsko-dinarski

12. Daruvarski

13. Diljski

14. Dinarski

15. Drugi kordunski

16. Drugi istarski pulski

17. Drugi lički

18. Drugi primorsko-goranski

19. Drugi slavonski

20. Grahorsko-peuljski

21. Gavrilo Princip

22. Hvarski

23. Južnodalmatinski

24. Kalinski (Kalinački)

25. Karlovački

26. Kninski

27. Korčulanski

28. Kordunaški

29. Lički

30. Makarski

31. Matija Gubec

32. Mljetski

33. Mosećko-Svilajnski

34. Moslavački

35. Mosorski

36. Neretvanski

37. Papučko-krndijski

38. Pelješki

39. Petrinjski

40. Plašćanski

41. Plavi Jadran

42. Podravski NOP odred 10. korpusa NOVJ

43. Podravski NOP oderd 6 korpusa NOVJ

44. Posavski korpus 10 korpusa NOVJ

45. Požeški

46. Primorsko-goranski

47. Prominski

48. Prvi istarski

49. Prvi kordunski

50. Prvi lički «Velebit»

51. Prvi primorsko-goranski

52. Prvi slavonski

53. Samoborsko-jaskanski

54. Segetsko-marinski

55. Sjevernodalmatinski

56. Sjevernootočki

57. Sinjski

58. Sisački

59. Solinski

60. Splitski

61. Srednjodalmatinski

62. Sušačko-kastavski

63. Šibenski

64. Treći lički

65. Treći NOP odered 4. operativne zone Hrvatske

66. Turopoljsko-posavski

67. Vrlički

68. Zadarski

69. Zagorski (Krapinski)

70. Zagrebački

71. Žumberačko-pokupski

Divizije:

1. Šesta lička divizija NOVJ

2. Sedma banijska divizija NOVJ

3. Osma kordunaška divizija NOVJ

4. Deveta dalmatinska divizija NOVJ

5. Dvanaesta slavonska divizija NOVJ

6. Trinaesta primorsko-goranska divizija NOVJ

7. Devetnaesta sjevernodalmatinska divizija NOVJ

8. Dvadeseta dalmatinska divizija NOVJ

9. 26. dalmatinska divizija NOVJ

10. 28. slavonska divizija NOVJ

11. 32. zagorska divizija NOVJ

12. 33. hrvatska divizija NOVJ

13. 34. hrvatska divizija NOVJ

14. 35. lička divizija NOVJ

15. 40. slavonska divizija NOVJ

16. 43. istarska divizija NOVJ

Korpusi:

1. Četvrti hrvatski korpus NOVJ

2. Šesti slavonski korpus NOVJ

3. Osmi dalmatinski korpus NOVJ

4. Deseti zagrebački korpus NOVJ

5. Jedanaesti hrvatski korpus NOVJ




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[Rastko]

^^

All of my ancestors were Domobrani (Homeguards)

[Lena]

^ I've no doubts about it, it's trendy, here it's Chetniks, over there Ustase. However, I'm sure you'll be civilized enough to allow other posters (and ppl in RL) who weren't infected by trends, to voice their opinion. After all, facts are facts and I posted indisputable facts.

[Shkembe Chorba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9e-yvaVeHA

Brothers!

[Crn Volk]

Bump

[Aspar]

I would say 'brothers' of mutual interest.

There are no eternal friends, only eternal interests...

[Crn Volk]

I would say 'brothers' of mutual interest.

There are no eternal friends, only eternal interests...

Those interests remain and the brotherhood lives on.

[Pribislav]

Those interests remain and the brotherhood lives on.

VMRO in 1934 was pure Bulgarian organization, nothing national Macedonian there was no among them. You are ethnic Macedonian according to you, why you glorify organization of nation who deny your identity?

[Dick]

VMRO in 1934 was pure Bulgarian organization, nothing national Macedonian there was no among them. You are ethnic Macedonian according to you, why you glorify organization of nation who deny your identity?

BEcause he is a cuck

[Pribislav]

BEcause he is a cuck

Or bugarče who sometimes play ethnic Macedonian.

[catgeorge]

Balkan Retardisms.

..and you want to drag Greece into your uber spasticness.

We have bigger fish to fry.

[Dick]

Balkan Retardisms.

..and you want to drag Greece into your uber spasticness.

We have bigger fish to fry.
Then get to it Yorgo. Fry the fish

[catgeorge]

Then get to it Yorgo. Fry the fish

It's getting closer by the day.

[Pribislav]

Northern Macedonians have a conflicts with all neighbours.

Bulgarians deny their language and identity, and call them brainwashed Bulgarians.

Greeks deny name of their ethnicity and country, and dislake them because they claim Alexander the Great and ancient Macedonians.

Albanians want secession of half of Northern Macedonia.

Between Serbs and Northern Macedonians there is a conflict about church. So called Macedonian Orthodox Church was created by communists with secession from Serbian Orthodox Church, there is no one Orthodox church which recognize MOC.
Northern Macedonia recognized terrorist narco state Kosovo.

[catgeorge]

They are trouble makers

[Crn Volk]

Northern Macedonians have a conflicts with all neighbours.

Bulgarians deny their language and identity, and call them brainwashed Bulgarians.

Greeks deny name of their ethnicity and country, and dislake them because they claim Alexander the Great and ancient Macedonians.

Albanians want secession of half of Northern Macedonia.

Between Serbs and Northern Macedonians there is a conflict about church. So called Macedonian Orthodox Church was created by communists with secession from Serbian Orthodox Church, there is no one Orthodox church which recognize MOC.
Northern Macedonia recognized terrorist narco state Kosovo.

Serbia has problems with all it's neighbours. I won't bother listing them, you know them I'm sure.

[Crn Volk]

VMRO in 1934 was pure Bulgarian organization, nothing national Macedonian there was no among them. You are ethnic Macedonian according to you, why you glorify organization of nation who deny your identity?

Speech by Angel Dzhambazki, Vice-Chairman of VMRO-BND [from Bulgaria] and member of European Parliament;

“Денес во Р.Македонија има луѓе кои себе си се нарекуваат Македонци. И ние го почитуваме тоа. Ние ќе го браниме нивното право да се нарекуваат онака како што сакаат. Ние со нив спор немаме. Нашите спорови се други. Нашите спорови се на северот од Македонија, на запад од Македонија нашите спорови се на југот од Македонија. Ние во Македонија и со Македонија спор немаме. Да не говориме дека веројатно три четвртини од луѓето кои се тука се со пасоши од Р.Бугарија и имаат свои корени од денешната Р.Македонија. Да не говориме дека најголемиот македонски град во никој случај не е Скопје најголем македонски град е Софија”


Translation;

"Today, in Macedonia there are people who call themselves Macedonians. And we respect that. We will defend their right to call themselves the way they want. We have no argument with them. Our disputes are with others. Our disputes are in the north of Macedonia, west of Macedonia our disputes are in the south of Macedonia. Within Macedonia and with Macedonia we have no dispute. Not to mention that probably three-quarters of the people who are here with passports from Bulgaria and have their roots in today's Macedonia. Not to mention that the largest Macedonian city is by no means the Macedonian capital Skopje, but is Sofia "

[Archduke]

VMRO in 1934 was pure Bulgarian organization, nothing national Macedonian there was no among them. You are ethnic Macedonian according to you, why you glorify organization of nation who deny your identity?

Only stupid nationalists deny the modern Macedonian identity.

We do not have problems with people who identify as Macedonians , but recognize the common history until 1945. Our problem is with Macedonians who trust only Serbian/Macedonian sources when it comes to the history of their ancestors. Recognition of the common history until 1945 - this is what Bulgaria currently tries to archieve on a state level.

Actually, mostly Bulgarian communists are the buildres of the country Macedonia that we know today. But only those who followed the Yugoslavian politics back then remained on the political scene of the new state. There are many stories of people who had the chance to be remembered as builders of the new state, but because they tried to perserve the connection with Bulgaria, they were killed (like Yordan Chkatrov), while some returned back to Bulgaria without doing anything.

Some times ago I've read about two cousins who have been raised together in Kukush, then went to Bulgaria with their families. After WW2, the father of one of them was invited by the Yugoslav communist to take part of the creation of the Macedonian state, later his son became Yugoslavian politic, Macedonist, while his cousin - a famous historian in Communist Bulgaria, professor in Sofia university. And both were active during the same years.

[Crn Volk]

Only stupid nationalists deny the modern Macedonian identity.

We do not have problems with people who identify as Macedonians , but recognize the common history until 1945. Our problem is with Macedonians who trust only Serbian/Macedonian sources when it comes to the history of their ancestors. Recognition of the common history until 1945 - this is what Bulgaria currently tries to archieve on a state level.

Actually, mostly Bulgarian communists are the buildres of the country Macedonia that we know today. But only those who followed the Yugoslavian politics back then remained on the political scene of the new state. There are many stories of people who had the chance to be remembered as builders of the new state, but because they tried to perserve the connection with Bulgaria, they were killed (like Yordan Chkatrov), while some returned back to Bulgaria without doing anything.

Some times ago I've read about two cousins who have been raised together in Kukush, then went to Bulgaria with their families. After WW2, the father of one of them was invited by the Yugoslav communist to take part of the creation of the Macedonian state, later his son became Yugoslavian politic, Macedonist, while his cousin - a famous historian in Communist Bulgaria, professor in Sofia university. And both were active during the same years.

The story of Stoyan Christowe (US Senator, MANU member, author, journalist) is a good case in point about Macedonians and the Macedonian ethnicity;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoyan_Christowe


In first half of his life, Stoyan Christowe identified himself as Bulgarian, but after World War II and the establishment of Macedonian state within the Yugoslav Federation, he redefined his understanding of who he was, and proclaimed himself an ethnic Macedonian.[16][17][18][19][20][21][22] This change was a result of the fact, that during the 20th century, the Slav Macedonian national feelings have shifted. At the beginning of the 20th century, Slavic patriots in Macedonia felt a strong attachment to their homeland, but most of them saw themselves as Bulgarians. By the middle of the 20th. century, however Macedonian Slavs began to see Macedonian and Bulgarian loyalties as mutually exclusive and Macedonian regionalism had become Macedonian nationalism.[23][24][25][26][27]

In his early years in America, Stoyan saw no difference in using the terms "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian from Macedonia" interchangeably in reference to his native identity.

Macedonians in Bulgaria in the 1920s were the backbone of the economic, professional, social, political and cultural life of the capital. The foremost person in every field of activity is likely to be a Macedonian, or at least part Macedonian.[28]

[PAGANE]

Момчета имате ли данни , списък на жертвите по време на въстанието в Тиквеш? От Ваташа са над 40.

[Crn Volk]

Момчета имате ли данни , списък на жертвите по време на въстанието в Тиквеш? От Ваташа са над 40.

Da i ushte povejke na Ohridsko-Debarskoto vostanie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid%E2%80%93Debar_uprising