What is the South European(Mediterranean) component closest to?

[bluesky]

What is the South European(Mediterranean) component closest to?

Is it closest to the West asian(Caucasus) component or to the North European component?

[Sikeliot]

Southwest Asian, surprisingly.

[StonyArabia]

What is the South European(Mediterranean) component closest to?

Is it closest to the West asian(Caucasus) component or to the North European component?

The West Asian component is the closest to the North European component, which does explain why pure West Asian can have light eyes, and blond or red hair without a single drop of North Euro blood. However most of the North Euro admix in the Caucasus came via the Scythians and later the Slavs.

The Med component is the closest to the Arabian/Semitic component the SouthWest Asian one.

[bluesky]

Wow? thats interesting is there some kind of map or something that supports this?

[bluesky]

And also then it means that West Asian people are European which doesnt make any sense to me at all

[Sophie]

However most of the North Euro admix in the Caucasus came via the Scythians and later the Slavs.

Scythians were not North Euros.

[StonyArabia]

And also then it means that West Asian people are European which doesnt make any sense to me at all

West Asians are proto-Europeans basically that what it means. Thus Chechens, Ingush, Georgians, Adyghes, and such related groups are the ancestral to Europeans.

[Sophie]

And also then it means that West Asian people are European which doesnt make any sense to me at all

No, it means that West Asians are Caucasoids, genetically closely related to the people of Europe.

[Damião de Góis]

If we're talking about Dodecad, "Mediterranean" peaks on Sardinians at 55%

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-llezDuKBAwM/TgDzprB0zuI/AAAAAAAAD2c/k89ILpspSac/s1600/nj.png

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadDUyeEtjNnBmY09EbnowN3M3UWRyN nc&authkey=COCa89AJ&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=0

[Insuperable]

Southwest Asian, surprisingly.

No, from where did you get that?

Med component is on many calculators the most European one, surprisingly.
North European is shifted towards Gedrosia. I think that Dienekes theorized that NorthEuropean is made up of 30% Gedrosian allele (with 2% Syberian) but nobody can know though.

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/7660/97787538.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/4673/k12afst.png

[StonyArabia]

The Med component has some African alleles in it, and it's the closest to the SouthWest Asian one. It's not anymore European than the North European component lol.

[Insuperable]

The Med component has some African alleles in it, and it's the closest to the SouthWest Asian one. It's not anymore European than the North European component lol.

Are you blind?

[StonyArabia]

Are you blind?

The North European is very close to the Caucasian/West Asian. This enough to make it more European because Caucasians are the proto-Europeans. Well the Med seems to be isolated but it still has a relationship with the SouthWest Asian. Look at the previous map to where the Med and SouthWest Asian stem from the same source.

[Insuperable]

The North European is very close to the Caucasian/West Asian. This enough to make it more European because Caucasians are the proto-Europeans. Well the Med seems to be isolated but it still has a relationship with the SouthWest Asian. Look at the previous map to where the Med and SouthWest Asian stem from the same source.

Med component and NorthEuropean are on many calculators the most distanced from ultra African component West African having the same distance from West Africans. On all calculators European components are the most closest to each other and of course Med component is closer to North European than Southwest Asian. The rest is your wet dream.

[Han Cholo]

The West Asian component is the closest to the North European component, which does explain why pure West Asian can have light eyes, and blond or red hair without a single drop of North Euro blood. However most of the North Euro admix in the Caucasus came via the Scythians and later the Slavs.

The Med component is the closest to the Arabian/Semitic component the SouthWest Asian one.

If West Asian is so light, then why it's exactly the countries with higher West Asian admixture in Europe often the woggiest looking ones?

Also, are you really claiming this component (peaks in Sardinian)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/28/47166330_1a2ca91876.jpg

http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/17315360.jpg

Is closest to South-West Asian (peaks in Yemeni Jews)?
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3042/2987997753_6b06904084.jpg

Very unlikely man.

[bluesky]

The North European is very close to the Caucasian/West Asian. This enough to make it more European because Caucasians are the proto-Europeans.

Doesnt make no sense at all to me! Then this means that West Asians are more European than Sardinians and equally as much European as a Greek or it means that the only thing that makes one person European is that if he has high North/West or East European scores on these components.... and this would mean that European = North/West European component or East European component

[bluesky]

But then again the map Alex Delarge posted supports exactly what CW said

[Sophie]

Med component is surely more European because it's more commonly found in Europe. But that doesn't mean it's more Caucasoid, afterall this is a term that got its name from the people of the Caucasus region who happen to have the highest West Asian component.


Caucasians

http://www.lessonsofliberty.org/Georgia/Georgians.jpg
http://thedailycrowd.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/protest-rally-in-tbilisi-010.jpg
http://elleeseymour.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/image2.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2668283523_e9413cefa0.jpg

[bluesky]

No, from where did you get that?

Med component is on many calculators the most European one, surprisingly.
North European is shifted towards Gedrosia. I think that Dienekes theorized that NorthEuropean is made up of 30% Gedrosian allele (with 2% Syberian) but nobody can know though.

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/7660/97787538.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/4673/k12afst.png

According to this map West Asians are closests to the Mediterranean and The North European component than either are to eachother

[Damião de Góis]

But then again the map Alex Delarge posted supports exactly what CW said

Except that this "mediterranean" component has its highest value for Sardinians at 55%. That's low for a value peak.

[Insuperable]

I knew on previous threads to make mistakes because I did not read Dienekes's blog sites thoroughly.

So, have in mind that Caucasus component≠West Asian component and has different meanings from calculator to calculator

Of course none of this components are real and have many assumptions.

Graphs I posted are probably related to k7b and k12b calculators.
To understand all this you should read the following http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/09/inter-relationships-between-dodecad-k7b.html
For example.
At K=12, this West Asian component is largely replaced by two others,
the Caucasus and Gedrosia components that reach their highest
occurrence in the Caucasus and Baluchistan respectively
The K=12 Caucasus component appears to be a mixture of K=7 "West
Asian" + "Southern". Oetzi has ~20% Caucasus and ~0% West Asian. Since the Caucasus component is West Asian + Southern, this means that his
"Caucasus" admixture is due to the "Southern" and not to the "West
Asian" part.

[Prince Carlo]

Are we talking about Mediterranean component from Dodecad or Eurogenes? Because there is a difference. And I don't really trust Dienekes Pontikos.

The South West Asian component is MODAL on heavily negroid amixed Beduins. Its caucasoid is mainly mediterranean and a little bit west asian. Semitic speakers are not native of Arabia and came from Northern Mesopotamia/Levant.

[Han Cholo]

Are we talking about Mediterranean component from Dodecad or Eurogenes? Because there is a difference. And I don't really trust Dienekes Pontikos.

The South West Asian component is MODAL on heavily negroid amixed Beduins. Its caucasoid is mainly mediterranean and a little bit west asian. Semitic speakers are not native of Arabia and came from Northern Mesopotamia/Levant.

Semitic languages are not indigenous to Arabia but Arabia is likely proto-Afro-Asiatic homeland. All Afro-Asiates have a significant degree of SouthWest Asian. Assyrians, Ethiopians, Somalians, Egyptians, Tunisians, etc.. I believe Semitic developed out of contact with more Northern cultures similar to Hurrians, Kavkazians, Urartians, Sumerians, etc.

[Prince Carlo]

Semitic languages are not indigenous to Arabia but Arabia is likely proto-Afro-Asiatic homeland.

I do think that they are native of Southern Levant or perhaps Mesopotamia. But we don't know for sure.


All Afro-Asiates have a significant degree of SouthWest Asian. Assyrians, Ethiopians, Somalians, Egyptians, Tunisians, etc..

Do you know if Chadic and Cushitic speakers have SWA admix?


I believe Semitic developed out of contact with more Northern cultures similar to Hurrians, Kavkazians, Urartians, Sumerians, etc.

All semitic languages have sumerian and also caucasian loan words (including arabian), so the proto-semitic language originated in the north.

[Han Cholo]

I do think that they are native of Southern Levant or perhaps Mesopotamia. But we don't know for sure.

I think Afro-Asiatic expanded from Arabia in all directions and became Egyptian in West, Semitic in North, Cushitic South, and Berberic further west.





Do you know if Chadic and Cushitic speakers have SWA admix?

Cushitic speakers certainly do, with almost 0 West Asian and 0 Med:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IHlgWAewnrc/TgDoYbyYUMI/AAAAAAAAD18/YlPm4vCjgq4/s1600/West_Eurasian_12.png

I don't think there are advanced tests on Chadic speakers though.

SW Asian is present on all Afro-Asiatic speakers of different kinds and continents. West Asian peaks in non-Afro Asiatic groups, and is also almost lacking over half of Afro-Asiatic speakers sampled.




All semitic languages have sumerian and also caucasian loan words (including arabian), so the proto-semitic language originated in the north.

Yes, but I think all these loanwords are lacking in other Afro-Asiatic families.

[Prince Carlo]

SW Asian is present on all Afro-Asiatic speakers of different kinds and continents. West Asian peaks in non-Afro Asiatic groups.

It could be because Beduins have african admixture which is also present in most SSA shifted MENAs. Anyway Mozabites have barely any SWA.

[Han Cholo]

It could be because Beduins have african admixture which is also present in most SSA shifted MENAs. Anyway Mozabites have barely any SWA.

It's perfectly congruent with them being the most far away of Afro-Asiatic urhemait. Moroccans also don't have that much (and they have nearly 0 West Asian also.)

[zlakopistou]

Ouch!... The level is very low.


You don't understand the components have different meanings depending on the test. For instance, in 2 different runs from Dienekes with a "mediterranean" component, the meaning of the components will be different even if they have the same name and so are the scores.

What is sure is we are and will be understanding more and more the complex migrations of the past, like the Asian-shift of Europeans, the "Eastern" origin and recent arrival of the components modal in the Caucasus around the mediterranean and Europe, the various part-West Eurasian hybrids in South Asia, North Eurasia and Sub-Saharan Africa... and the non-West Eurasian ancestry in pred-West Eurasians.

Also, don't assume anything about phenotype with components of admixture tests: it doesn't work that way (apart from pred-West Eurasian = caucasoid).

I wanna add a thing: modern West Asians aren't the ancestors of Europeans. No modern people and their appearance is the ancestor of other modern peoples. Circassianwine seems to think Circassian are European, which is not true.

[Food]

troll thread.

[StonyArabia]

Are we talking about Mediterranean component from Dodecad or Eurogenes? Because there is a difference. And I don't really trust Dienekes Pontikos.

The South West Asian component is MODAL on heavily negroid amixed Beduins. Its caucasoid is mainly mediterranean and a little bit west asian. Semitic speakers are not native of Arabia and came from Northern Mesopotamia/Levant.

Typical South Italian fantasies. My Semitic ancestors did not come from the Levant or Anatolia and mixed with the locals to create the Arabians.

The Med component is the closest to SouthWest Asian component.

[StonyArabia]

Med component and NorthEuropean are on many calculators the most distanced from ultra African component West African having the same distance from West Africans. On all calculators European components are the most closest to each other and of course Med component is closer to North European than Southwest Asian. The rest is your wet dream.

LOL you are pathetic, your resort to pity insults rather than debating.

Sicilians are Arab/North African shifted. The same in some Greeks especially the islanders.

Again North European component is further from African, but not the Med component which is mixed with African alleles. Med might far from the West African but not East African which peaks in the Massai.

[Prince Carlo]

Typical South Italian fantasies. My Semitic ancestors did not come from the Levant or Anatolia and mixed with the locals to create the Arabians.

Proofs that proto semitic languages were born in Arabia?

[Gjenerali]

Atlantic_Med on Dodecad seems to be the purest Caucasoid element. It is not consisted of any other components. Before i thought it is a mix between Mediterranean and Northern European but that is not the case. At the other side East-African is the most admixed component from all the others. It hides West Eurasian alleles so Horners are not only Mulattoes but probably approaching the Octoroon range.

[Insuperable]

LOL you are pathetic, your resort to pity insults rather than debating.

Sicilians are Arab/North African shifted. The same in some Greeks especially the islanders.

Again North European component is further from African, but not the Med component which is mixed with African alleles. Med might far from the West African but not East African which peaks in the Massai.

Med component is the purest and is not mixed with any allele (at least to our present knowledge).
Sicilians and Greeks are shifted because of higher SW Asian influence than in other Europeans and not because of the so called Mediterranean component.


Typical South Italian fantasies. My Semitic ancestors did not come from the Levant or Anatolia and mixed with the locals to create the Arabians.
The Med component is the closest to SouthWest Asian component.

The Med component is NOT the closest to SW Asian component. It is closer to Northern European or Eastern or Western European or whatever you like than it is to SW Asian. I have provided you a table of genetic distances but it seems you do not know numbers.