Which set of pics better represents South Italians?

[Sikeliot]

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http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/543658_246614102116090_1366141500_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/2890_4559984327173_1875942804_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/386856_4556840359915_363882767_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/66256_526630344017449_226921380_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/528122_4054842342665_2104529530_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/262801_104548196272376_1282293_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/150281_169052476462546_937458_n.jpg



or



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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5418085641_9af6b1ab1b_m.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540959_4675194959526_74385389_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/62054_105393642857457_5936821_n.jpghttp://farm7.static.flickr.com/6235/6297810757_047f2dc4c4_m.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/301113_178221892313799_405614553_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/155181_4210033382289_726978205_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/547359_4428313436875_1688190510_n.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6816232125_2481641c1f_m.jpg

[Kazuma]

A mix of both, or better an average, between this 2 groups in my experience ;)

[Vojnik]

I think group 1 are more typical for Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

I think group 1 are more typical for Sicilians.

They're all from there.

The first set was just chosen to be homogenously dark and the second set homogenously light.

I am just wondering what people view as more typical, since people on here keep saying "They're not as dark as people think".. which is true.. but I think it means most people look South/Southeastern European and not non-Euro, not that most people look North/Western Euro.

[Vojnik]

I personally picture southern Italians as short in stature, with dark hair and eyes and a tanned completion. I think of them as Southern Euro looking for sure, and not non-Euro.

[Sikeliot]

I personally picture southern Italians as short in stature, with dark hair and eyes and a tanned completion. I think of them as Southern Euro looking for sure, and not non-Euro.

I just call it a "Greco-Roman" look and it's shared with Greeks for the most part.

I don't think we look non-Euro but I certainly will stand against the idea most of us look (and could fit in) Northern Euro.

[Vojnik]

Well the lighter people you posted can fit in some Northern European countries, but I just don't see them as representative of the typical Sicilian, which in my opinion is way too Med to fit anywhere other then Southern Italy, Cyprus, Malta and Greece.

[Sikeliot]

Well the lighter people you posted can fit in some Northern European countries, but I just don't see them as representative of the typical Sicilian

Me too which is why I was shocked others did. :confused:

[Peyrol]

Well the lighter people you posted can fit in some Northern European countries, but I just don't see them as representative of the typical Sicilian, which in my opinion is way too Med to fit anywhere other then Southern Italy, Cyprus, Malta and Greece.

No, no one of the lighter siculi would fit anywhere in skandinavia...many of them maybe here (Northern Italy), France, Uk and central Europe, but not in northern Germany and Scandinavia.

The island has a lot of phenotypes, actually:

Miriam Leone is from Catania and could pass as french or british islander, but not as scandinavian, baltic or light eastern slav.

http://images.movieplayer.it/2008/09/14/una-foto-di-miriam-leone-88254.jpg

The rapper Marracash is a very dark sicilian (very exotic also for the sicilian standard...the nickname Marracash was choose because he grown in Lombardy and many lombards called him Maruchìn (moroccan) when was a child).

http://www.campaniatour.it/uploads/7781_marracash.jpg


The former Minister of Army and Defence Ignazio La Russa is from Palermo and has a panwestern euro look

http://thrillerpics.com/images/ignazio-la-russa-04.jpg



Same for the mobster Bernardo Provenzano.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/15/JTBERNADO_wideweb__470x318,0.jpg





Probabily an example of stereotypical sicilian who look greco-roman is the rebel Salvatore Giuliano.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xrEo0ZHdqgY/TLyLEgS9dWI/AAAAAAAAAp4/-keTxESeSAc/s1600/salvatore+giuliano++%28liliumjoker%29.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I think it comes from a general desire amongst stereotypically "dark" populations to present themselves as lighter, because there is an implicit idea that lighter is better. And I personally do not have this view and I go the other way. I would rather have classical Greco-Roman features than look like a Brit or French.

Like, I do think S. Europe is stereotyped as much darker than it is, but at the same time, let's not try to overstate the number of people who look Northern.

[Toretto]

southern europe is europe not mena... people are Mediterranean, dinaric, alpine and nordic... that's why people are more light compared to the false stereotype of southern Italy as tunisia... recommend coming to visit Italy, from tuscany to Sicily to realize that between 55 million real Italians only a thousand look levantine and millions can pass in north europe...

[MarceloBielsa]

southern europe is europe not mena... people are Mediterranean, dinaric, alpine and nordic... that's why people are more light compared to the false stereotype of southern Italy as tunisia... recommend coming to visit Italy, from tuscany to Sicily to realize that between 55 million real Italians only a thousand look levantine and millions can pass in north europe...

se postano gente con dei tratti sospetti come quagliarella (giusto per fare un nome) è normale che veniamo presi per ciò che non siamo

[Toretto]

esatto prendere marracash e spacciarlo per tipico

[Sikeliot]

southern europe is europe not mena... people are Mediterranean, dinaric, alpine and nordic... that's why people are more light compared to the false stereotype of southern Italy as tunisia... recommend coming to visit Italy, from tuscany to Sicily to realize that between 55 million real Italians only a thousand look levantine and millions can pass in north europe...

I'm not saying more of them look Levantine. I am saying that I am feeling like people are implying that people like the first group of photos I posted.. Greco-Roman classical looks.. are less common than people who look Nordic.

[Peyrol]

esatto prendere marracash e spacciarlo per tipico

Rileggi bene cosa ho scritto in quel post....... nessuno ha scritto che è tipico, anzi ho detto l'esatto opposto...;)

[Sikeliot]

Marracash is obviously not typical but I don't think people like Miriam Leone are either. I think we can't get carried away with the exotic individuals and act like they're common anywhere in Southern Europe .. but at the same time, let's be realistic about the Northern types too.

What I'm saying isn't unreasonable. Someone like this woman in the center, is what I consider "typical". Neither a Norman looking nor Levantine looking person is typical.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/230992_291985047567913_35334251_n.jpg

[Aviane]

Group No 1 would be more of a typical fitting well for Sicilians especially.

Then again Southern Italians are much more varied to be considered looking all the same.

[MarceloBielsa]

Then again Southern Italians are much more varied to be considered looking all the same.
There are very little differences between southern italians and sicilians.

[P-Chan]

they all can be from southern Italy, but especially the ones in the 1st group

[Sikeliot]

There are very little differences between southern italians and sicilians.

Especially people from Calabria, southern Apulia, and Basilicata. And Neapolitans.

People from inland Campania, and then people from Abruzzo, Molise, and Lazio start to fall more into a Central Italian look, as they lack Greek influences that the far south has. But of course you'll find types that can be found all throughout Italy including Sicily.

[Aviane]

There are very little differences between southern italians and sicilians.

There is actually some differences between them because South Italians can go from being Western, Balkanic, Italic and Greek while with Sicilians it is quite a bit different with them going from Greek with Levantine as the main part but some few Norman looking.


they all can be from southern Italy, but especially the ones in the 1st group

It depends on which or how.


Especially people from Calabria, southern Apulia, and Basilicata. And Neapolitans.

People from inland Campania, and then people from Abruzzo, Molise, and Lazio start to fall more into a Central Italian look, as they lack Greek influences that the far south has. But of course you'll find types that can be found all throughout Italy including Sicily.

Agreed mostly.

[Vesuvian Sky]

This was rather difficult. IMO, both groups more or less have the facial elements typical of Italians. Only reason I chose group one is because usually in the South, pigmentation and hair color is darker and that group seemed darker in that sense. Again, tough call for me overall.

[Sikeliot]

Oh for sure. Both types are very obviously present.

I just myself use the first type as a benchmark for when I say someone "looks S. Italian". I wouldn't describe people from the second group as "looking S. Italian" even though I would very obviously acknowledge people like them exist with some frequency there.

[Kazuma]

Especially people from Calabria, southern Apulia, and Basilicata. And Neapolitans.

People from inland Campania, and then people from Abruzzo, Molise, and Lazio start to fall more into a Central Italian look, as they lack Greek influences that the far south has. But of course you'll find types that can be found all throughout Italy including Sicily.

You're right, the so called pan-italian look :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

You're right, the so called pan-italian look :thumb001:

Yes, that's true. I think you can find people with that look in both picture sets I have -- the darker and lighter variants.

[MarceloBielsa]

There is actually some differences between them because South Italians can go from being Western, Balkanic, Italic and Greek while with Sicilians it is quite a bit different with them going from Greek with Levantine as the main part but some few Norman looking.

I'm italian and i know my nation better than you.
Sicilians are like southern italians, there are very very very little differences.

[Sikeliot]

I'm italian and i know my nation better than you.
Sicilians are like southern italians, there are very very very little differences.

Which Southern Italians are you speaking of though? Calabria, Basilicata, southern Apulia, are indistinguishable from Sicilians IMO. But with Campanians and Abruzzese I can start to see differences.

Pretty much everyone from former Magna Graecia shares the same range of phenotypes. Calabrese are as my father says "Sicilians stuck on the mainland" :D

[MarceloBielsa]

There are very very little differences also with campanians, laziali and abruzzese.
Visit all over Italy and you will see that i'm telling you.

[Sikeliot]

There are very very little differences also with campanians, laziali and abruzzese.
Visit all over Italy and you will see that i'm telling you.

Those three are very similar, but I think there are some differences between them on average and the regions just south of them, like Calabrese, Sicilians, and people from Basilicata who all tend to look similar.

[MarceloBielsa]

How many time you been in Italy?

[Sikeliot]

How many time you been in Italy?

None. But when I did Model United Nations in high school there were a large group of Italians from Lazio who did not, IMO, look quite like Calabrese, Sicilians, and Apulians. Some overlap but I'd generally say there is a gradual change as you move southward.

Also, large group photos of even Campanians I have seen online demonstrate a slightly different, more Central Italian influence than you find slightly further south.

[Aviane]

I'm italian and i know my nation better than you.
Sicilians are like southern italians, there are very very very little differences.

It does not matter how better you know your nation than me.

So there is no need to be defensive, so relax a little alright. :D

Because I have been both to South Italy and Sicily.

And the differences was quite striking almost like worlds apart to me. :)

And if you do not like my view then feel free to disagree. :cool:

[Sikeliot]

I don't think there is any difference between Sicily and Calabria/Apulia/Basilicata.

[Aviane]

I don't think there is any difference between Sicily and Calabria/Apulia/Basilicata.

I know about those parts but I was mainly taking about Campania, Molise and Abruzzo which looked more different to me.

[Toretto]

Rileggi bene cosa ho scritto in quel post....... nessuno ha scritto che è tipico, anzi ho detto l'esatto opposto...;)

non devo rileggere niente perchè non ce l'ho con te ma con sikeliot e con i meridionali atipici che posta

[MarceloBielsa]

Ask more information at other italians.

[Toretto]

It does not matter how better you know your nation than me.

So there is no need to be defensive, so relax a little alright. :D

Because I have been both to South Italy and Sicily.

And the differences was quite striking almost like worlds apart to me. :)

And if you do not like my view then feel free to disagree. :cool:

Sicily and south italy...there are no difference maybe very little little little little... trust me...

[Prince Carlo]

Actually Campanians, Apulians, Lucanians and Molise people are one big group. Calabrians have an unique look. Southern-Central Latium and Abruzzo are genetically the same as Northern Campanians and Molise people.

[Prince Carlo]

Actually Campanians, Apulians, Lucanians and Molise people are one big group. Calabrians have an unique look. Southern-Central Latium and Abruzzo are genetically the same as Northern Campanians and Molise people.

Basically the the people in the violet-pink zone look the same. (plus central Latium and southern Marche)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Neapolitan_language.jpg/300px-Neapolitan_language.jpg

The orange zone.

http://www.ilc.it/img-mescolanze/DIALETTI.gif

North of that Tuscan and Alpine types become dominant.

[Trun]

People from inland Campania, and then people from Abruzzo, Molise, and Lazio

I know Italians won't agree with me, but people from those regions have significant taxonomic resemblance with Albanians, Southern Yugoslavs, Southern Romanians, Bulgarians and Northern Greeks.

[Flintlocke]

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[Peyrol]

I know Italians won't agree with me, but people from those regions have significant taxonomic resemblance with Albanians, Southern Yugoslavs, Southern Romanians, Bulgarians and Northern Greeks.

I totally agree. :D

[King Claus]

Group 1