French people, who overlaps the most?

[Slycooper]

Who do the French overlap with?

[immortaltendency]

All Italy.

[Sikeliot]

Spanish

[Gaijin]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7888154404_42d9f51b92_b.jpg

[Hevo]

If you look at the genetics then they overlap the most with Belgium.( Pred Wallonia i guess)

France:
Belgium 12,00%
Spain 27,00%
England 27,50%
North Italy 27,50%
Valencia 29,00%
Portugal 30,00%
Switzerland 30,00%
South Germany 31,00%
Netherlands 31,00%
West Germany 33,50%

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[sevruk]

North African

[Ouistreham]

A little (but not that much) wih the large neighbouring countries (England, Germany, Spain, Italy.

Most impressive overlap is with Switzerland:

http://akarlindotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/genetic-map-europe-4.jpg

As a side note you can grasp why Champagne + Burgundy are the nation's cultural, ethnical and strategical gravity centre, and why the motorways and high speed track between Paris and Lyons make the country's backbone.

[Damião de Góis]

^ That plot is an attempt to prove that "genetics mirror geography", so the final result is a little different from the original, which is:

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-bb3ac5b801b60400bded2397116d34e7-Europegenetics.jpg

Also if i'm not mistaken, the french sample is from Lyon.

[Slycooper]

Northern Italians

[Virtuous]

North Africans, Tunisians, Pakistani, Indians, Sudanese.

[Peyrol]

Definitely southern french (former Occitane world) have a great overlap with us north-western italians (Ligurians, Piemonteis and obviously Arpitans of Valle D'Aosta), and also with Catalans.

"Classic" french people (Oil cultural world) probabily with England, south-west Germany, Belgium (obviously the Vallons), Switzlerland and north-west Italy.

[Kazuma]

^ That plot is an attempt to prove that "genetics mirror geography", so the final result is a little different from the original, which is:

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/wp-content/blogs.dir/474/files/2012/04/i-bb3ac5b801b60400bded2397116d34e7-Europegenetics.jpg

Also if i'm not mistaken, the french sample is from Lyon.

Sorry for the OT. SK (slovaks??) overlap with Italians? :eek:

[Damião de Góis]

Sorry for the OT. SK (slovaks??) overlap with Italians? :eek:

The author:


There were a few exceptions to the genetic map’s accuracy, with a few countries appearing in odd positions. Slovakia, for example, turns up in the middle of Italy rather than next to the Czech Republic where it belongs. Russia too is further west than its actual position and appears to be hugging Poland (which I find ironically unsettling in the light of recent political events). But Novembre says that both exceptions are probably due to small sample sizes – “Russia” in this case was only represented by six people, and just one poor individual was waving the flag for Slovakia.

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/09/01/european-genes-mirror-european-geography/

[Kazuma]

ok, thank you very much!

[le penalty]

Extreme North and normandy with belgium.
North east with south east german and swiss.
South west with spanish.
South east with Italian.
For Brittany it is more complicated i would say with other south western or center french, dark phenotype are common and light too.
To explain sympli: 50% of Atlantid face(Atlanto-med,atlantid,north Atlantid),25% of Alpine,15% of British face (brunn,borreby...) and 10% of pure mediterranean.

[le penalty]

Extreme North and normandy with belgium or British.
North east with south east german and swiss.
South west with spanish.
South east with Italian.
For Brittany it is more complicated i would say with other south western or center french, dark phenotype are common and light too.
To explain sympli: 50% of Atlantid face(Atlanto-med,atlantid,north Atlantid),25% of Alpine,15% of British face (brunn,borreby...) and 10% of pure mediterranean.

[ficuscarica]

A little (but not that much) wih the large neighbouring countries (England, Germany, Spain, Italy.

Most impressive overlap is with Switzerland:


French part of Switzerland, though. The map also clearly shows that Badeners are swarthier/more Romance than other Germans.

[Sikeliot]

I think Italians have a lot of overlap with the French too. At least north and central Italians do. IMO the lighter segment of Sicily and the far south also overlaps with the French.

So I think Spain first, then Italy, then Belgium and Switzerland.

[Aviane]

I personally think my French ancestors or just French people in general overlap with Belgians/Dutch, Germans, other Central Europeans first then afterwards British Islanders and then Northern-Central Italians.

Some Balkanites to a extent can also overlap but the only part that really stands out is their Eastern components.

Other Europeans cannot overlap with us because of their extremities.

[Ouistreham]

So I think Spain first

This is funny.

There is some local overlap along the Pyrenees mountains, since Basque and Catalan minorities are present on both sides of the range.

Other than that, on a larger scale, the genetic barrier between the bulk of Spain and France is Europe's sharpest. Nowhere else does a race boundary match so closely a political border:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hhk9R6SSWMY/UHVhmJsN7iI/AAAAAAAAAMg/rYQKJutkZFc/s1600/12-07-2008101312PM2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0Thh9hwEtJw/UHVh3Gz8n8I/AAAAAAAAAM4/9OZKgoTq_yQ/s1600/Gunther.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png/723px-Ripley_map_of_cephalic_index_in_Europe.png

Each one of those maps probably deserves some criticism, but the general pattern is clear.

[Damião de Góis]

This is funny.

There is some local overlap along the Pyrenees mountains, since Basque and Catalan minorities are present on both sides of the range.

Other than that, on a larger scale, the genetic barrier between the bulk of Spain and France is Europe's sharpest. Nowhere else does a race boundary match so closely a political border:



I agree, i think this can be observed here:

http://bembelly.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/france-team84.jpg?w=640

(L-R, front row): Bernard Lacombe, Alain Giresse, Michel Platini, Jean Tigana and Didier Six. (L-R, Back row): Yvon Le Roux, Patrick Battiston, Maxime Bossis, Jean-Francois Domergue, Joel Bats and Luis Fernandez.

On the French team from 1984 everyone is french, except for Tigana the black, Platini the captain who is italian and Luis Fernandez on the top right who is spanish from andaluzia. Not counting Tigana, we can see that Platini looks more like the rest than Fernandez does.

[Aviane]

Very true Ouistreham those maps are still closer to reality even if they are old.

Still useful though.

I wager too that there is only a very small overlap with Iberia which is the Catalan and Basque regions within the Pyrenees but even then most do not even resemble to French.

The French rather resemble their German, Swiss, Belgian/Dutch neighbours better.

[Slycooper]

I agree, i think this can be observed here:

http://bembelly.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/france-team84.jpg?w=640

(L-R, front row): Bernard Lacombe, Alain Giresse, Michel Platini, Jean Tigana and Didier Six. (L-R, Back row): Yvon Le Roux, Patrick Battiston, Maxime Bossis, Jean-Francois Domergue, Joel Bats and Luis Fernandez.

On the French team from 1984 everyone is french, except for Tigana the black, Platini the captain who is italian and Luis Fernandez on the top right who is spanish from andaluzia. Not counting Tigana, we can see that Platini looks more like the rest than Fernandez does.

I never knew Platini was half Italian. Still he blends in well with the French. My French Great Grandfather looks just like them.

[Damião de Góis]

I never knew Platini was half Italian. Still he blends in well with the French. My French Great Grandfather looks just like them.

No no, Platini is full italian. And Luis Fernandez is full spanish. Both immigrants, or naturalized in the case of Fernandez.

[ficuscarica]

Nowadays the French overlap mainly with Algerians and Moroccans.

[Peyrol]

I never knew Platini was half Italian. Still he blends in well with the French. My French Great Grandfather looks just like them.

French of italian descents are 9-10% of french population...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_French

[Prince Carlo]

Platini is of Sicilian descent AFAIK.

[le penalty]

French overlaps with dutch ?? :blink:

[Rouxinol]

Mostly with the outskirts of their country's borders, of course, but they have their own, distinct look for the most part.

They can easily go from this

http://www.rue89.com/sites/news/files/assets/image/2012/07/agnelsourit.jpg

to this

http://www.lamontagne.fr/photoSRC/bqViVeldaWelbKxCPNWs_pusXXdNGltxXD4uu1iw_sR0IkLcaz bGupnwlQUaVQo_pWI48f0HY_sxYvETMFwM2diAkJo-_/oly-2012-fra-arrival_796563.jpeg

to this

http://www.rmcsport.fr/front_office/static/dossier-special/jeux-olympiques/images/tony_estanguet.jpg

to this

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb9z1hdhXn1re1qjao1_1280.jpg

They're hot.

[Rouxinol]

As to women, they can easily go from this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1i3nWMaRgKY/T_2DBIW0UFI/AAAAAAAAJY8/oJSIeq5-xGk/s1600/scan0020.jpg

to this:

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gp/Juliette+Binoche+Leos+Carax+dating+KwE5elgeMvSl.jp g

to this:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10600000/Marion-Cotillard-Nine-Press-Conference-marion-cotillard-10634468-397-600.jpg

[Slycooper]

Mostly with the outskirts of their country's borders, of course, but they have their own, distinct look for the most part.

They can easily go from this

http://www.rue89.com/sites/news/files/assets/image/2012/07/agnelsourit.jpg

to this

http://www.lamontagne.fr/photoSRC/bqViVeldaWelbKxCPNWs_pusXXdNGltxXD4uu1iw_sR0IkLcaz bGupnwlQUaVQo_pWI48f0HY_sxYvETMFwM2diAkJo-_/oly-2012-fra-arrival_796563.jpeg

to this

http://www.rmcsport.fr/front_office/static/dossier-special/jeux-olympiques/images/tony_estanguet.jpg

to this

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb9z1hdhXn1re1qjao1_1280.jpg

They're hot.

Are you a male?:confused:

[Rouxinol]

Are you a male?:confused:

Yes. So what? :LOL:

[Slycooper]

Yes. So what? :LOL:

nvm nothing.

[Septentrion]

Probably the Swiss.

[The Alchemist]

They seem to be a mix of everything, south, central and north europe, but i'd say they're definitely closer to Belgium and Switzerland. It makes sense.

[Laubach]

Depend the region, but in general, Swiss and belgians

[Rouxinol]

There are regional overlaps. SW France overlaps a lot with the Basque Country and Cantabrian region of Spain. Bretons, on the other hand, overlap a lot with Western Iberians (Galicians, central/northern Portuguese). Northern French (Normandy, Picardy, French Flanders) do overlap a lot with Flemish and the Walloon. SE France and Alpine France with Switzerland, Southern Germany and Northern Italy. On the overall, it's hard to pick one that overlaps the most.

[Comte Arnau]

Languages and geography don't lie, so call me Captain Obvious, but it has to be

SE France with Liguria
S France with Catalonia
SW France with the Basqueland and Upper Aragon
Brittany with Wales
NW France with England
N France with Flanders and Wallonia
NE France with Alamannia (SW Germany)
E France with Romand Switzerland, Lombardy and the Piedmont
Corsica with Sardinia and Tuscany

[Sikeliot]

I've noticed that people from Nice, Lyon, Marseille etc look kind of like northern Italian, as do Corsicans. People closer to the Pyrenees (Toulouse area) look more Iberian.

[le penalty]

Languages and geography don't lie, so call me Captain Obvious, but it has to be

SE France with Liguria
S France with Catalonia
SW France with the Basqueland and Upper Aragon
Brittany with Wales
NW France with England
N France with Flanders and Wallonia
NE France with Alamannia (SW Germany)
E France with Romand Switzerland, Lombardy and the Piedmont
Corsica with Sardinia and Tuscany

Hum im not sure , maybe genetically ...

[Slycooper]

bump

[John Doe]

I voted for Italians. And from my experience French Canadians are darker that Germans and Dutch people too. Shouldn't Belgium be on that list?

[Slycooper]

I voted for Italians. And from my experience French Canadians are darker that Germans and Dutch people too. Shouldn't Belgium be on that list?

other (specify) I quess.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Anyone with a vagina?

[archangel]

italians,spanish mostly also some germans

[Libertas]

A lot depends on which French group we are discussing.

I'd say Belgians in the far north and Spanish or Italians in the south.

Swabian Germans in Alsace-Lorraine.

Many of the French seem like generalised west Europeans that can merge into many populations.

[WOOHP]

It depends on which part of France.

But take a look at this PCA map 33607
The French plot was taken from Southeastern France but the French are still closer to the Belgians and the Germans than they are to Italians or Iberians. And becasue of that, I voted for Germans which I believe are closer to the French in general together with the Low countries.

[ABest]

Spanish and Portuguese people. Also, Northern Italians. Austrians, as well, maybe, as they are central Euro and all. I have seen French/North Italian/Iberian looking Austrians.

For whatever reason, I am occasionally mistaken for being French. I don't even know why?

[Pepe Gonzalez]

This depends on which region in France. East Germans, South East Italians, Southwest Spanish, North English.

[WOOHP]

I think Italians have a lot of overlap with the French too. At least north and central Italians do. IMO the lighter segment of Sicily and the far south also overlaps with the French.

So I think Spain first, then Italy, then Belgium and Switzerland.

Oh dear God. You think nothing. Putting Switzerland and Belgium behind Spain and Italy(whole of Italy LOL). I don't even...

French people(Wallons, French Swiss included obviously) ofc overlap the most with other central/north-west populations like South and Western Germans, German Swiss and Brits. Even in southern France you'll find a great percentage who would not be out of place in Britain or Germany. Ofc several would fit in Northern Spain and Northern Italy but the fact that you can find so many northern looking people there is just an indication for that France as a country is considerably more northern than southern looking.

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1618645624/3993735.jpg

http://www.photo-de-classe.com/photos-de-classe/photodeclasse_229345/photo-de-classe-1973-LYCEE+Grand+Air.jpg

http://www.sudouest.fr/images/2011/06/15/426355_16939483_460x306.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/2649933240/2537321.jpg

http://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2013/05/22/201305221052-full.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1308503387/2140371.jpg

http://www.lepopulaire.fr/photoSRC/bqViVeldaWelbKxCPNWs_pusXXdNGltxXD4uu1iw_sR0IkLcaz bGupnwlQUaVQo_pWI48f0HY_sxYvETMFwM2diAkJo-_/656843.jpeg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/6648551514/1085030.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/175321988/1084976.jpg

[Ultra]

North Africa ofc. ;p

[WOOHP]

Even looking at this from a genetic view French people plot inbetween Spaniards and Germans/Brits/Dutch being equally close to North Italians as to Scandinavians, but most oftenly they drag more towards Brits and other Northwestern groups.
French people from Lyon, central-south part of France score closer to Brits rather than to the samples from Northern Spain admixture wise. The Northern and Southern component is closer to those of the British Isles and the Netherlands than to Spain or Portugal.

Here are some pics from Northern France. They are closer to Brits and Germans/Dutch than what Southern Frencmen are to Iberians and North Italians.

http://chevalier.etab.ac-caen.fr/sites/chevalier.etab.ac-caen.fr/IMG/jpg/IMG_1604.jpg

http://www.lyceebazin.net/formation/BTS/TC/photos/84-85%202.jpg

http://www.photo-de-classe.com/photos-de-classe/photodeclasse_287368/photo-de-classe-1997-LYCEE+PRIVE+DOCTRINE+CHRETIENNE.jpg

http://image-parcours.linternaute.com/image/750/4/1094939582/1415117.jpg

http://image-parcours.linternaute.com/image/750/3/1012800041/2324168.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/3642225505/1985534.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/3392540797/2360570.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1357021956/1536034.jpg

http://www.courrier-picard.fr/sites/default/files/articles/ophotos/20130429/rca.JPG

http://image-parcours.linternaute.com/image/750/5/1279956691/3626327.jpg

http://prevert-eps.spip.ac-rouen.fr/IMG/jpg/morzine-reduit.jpg

http://image-parcours.linternaute.com/image/750/5/1647366856/2900399.jpg

[WOOHP]

Here are some really old pics from Southern France, before the extreme Italian and Spanish/Portuguese migration. Still there is a mentionable number of non-whites but the overall picture is quite clear.

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1123901755/1672871.jpg

http://www.villeneuvedemarsan.fr/var/villeneuve/storage/images/decouvrir-villeneuve/cartes-postales-anciennes/equipe-rugby-1943/590-1-fre-FR/Equipe-rugby-1943.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1332633671/1965901.jpg

[Graham]

France seems too divided, to overlap one nation. Brittany & Normandy over-lap us. Though even Brittany has it's own looking people. Different to Britain/Ireland .

[Ultra]

France seems too divided, to overlap one nation. Brittany & Normandy over-lap us. Though even Brittany has it's own looking people. Different to Britain/Ireland .
Well I wonder even if "French" is an ethnicity tbh... :p


It's very, very diverse..

[Roy]

Bretagne to Wales and England. The rest: Dutch, Swiss, West Germans. South-West to Iberians.

[Ouistreham]

French overlaps with dutch ?? :blink:

Yes.

And this one is by far the most significant and most populous overlapping area, given the extravagantly high population densities in Northern France, Belgian Flanders and the Southern Netherlands (400 to 500 inhabitants/sq.km). But it is somewhat obscured by the existence of Belgium and its 10 M citizens in the middle.

From Central France to Dutch Zealand, the transition is extremely smooth. Don't picture yourself the Flemish, especially in the West, as Nordic giants, all fair as angels. They are actually undistinguishable from their French neighbours.

A high school in Ghent:
http://1.nieuwsbladcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/UGC/e1fb6243-5312-4692-82a9-300bd7ed2050/180320111307_DSC_0255.JPG.966.JPG

Another one in Oostende:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/485838_406146329438478_521809317_n.jpg

Only when you arrive in Zealand or pass the Meuse and Rhine rivers you will get aware of a higher frequency of very tall and/or lighted haired individuals. And suddenly you realize you are now closer to Denmark than to the Paris region.

Interestingly, this Lower Rhine limit used to be the Northern border of ancient Gallia Belgica. It still separates the Flemish/Brabantian dialects from those properly Dutch, and the Catholics from Calvinist majorities.

[Graham]

Well I wonder even if "French" is an ethnicity tbh... :p


It's very, very diverse..

Paul Le Guen is someone I can see not passing well, outside the French regions & more so within.

[Roy]

I don't think French people resemble Italians all that much as some say.

[WOOHP]

France seems too divided, to overlap one nation. Brittany & Normandy over-lap us. Though even Brittany has it's own looking people. Different to Britain/Ireland .

Normandie sure, many Norman faces seem familiar to me. They look very much alike some Anglos aswell as some Germans in the Midwest.

Brittany though I think it's a darker region and most of the resemblance with Britain is with those "dark" British types. Though by dark I mean for a Northern French standard.

But overall speaking France looks much more continental(obviously) and has a bigger overlapp with Flemish/Dutch people and Western/Southwestern Germans, especially in the Eastern, Northern and Central parts. Towards the south and an overlap with North Italians, German Swiss, Northern Iberians and even Austrians occurs depending on the region but still a mentionable amount of people there would be able to fit further North in Europe.

[Anthropologique]

France seems too divided, to overlap one nation. Brittany & Normandy over-lap us. Though even Brittany has it's own looking people. Different to Britain/Ireland .

It is somewhat natively heterogenous.

[Anthropologique]

I don't think French people resemble Italians all that much as some say.

Only some parts of N. Italy have individuals who modestly resemble the SE French.

[Asgardsrei]

Italians and Iberians.
LOL those who voted Germans and Brits.

[gold_fenix]

Italians and Iberians.
LOL those who voted Germans and Brits.

personally i think is easy to see French who resemblance British,German, Iberian or Italian , I have seen it and it is really normal

[Asgardsrei]

personally i think is easy to see French who resemblance British,German, Iberian or Italian , I have seen it and it is really normal

Ofc you will see individuals who resemble Germans and Brits,but we are talking about bulk of population,which clearly dosen't.

[Anonymous211]

Mulatto

[Ctwentysevenj]

North Africans, Tunisians, Pakistani, Indians, Sudanese.

Yes that will be the majority in France and the UK in the future, and probably the rest of Europe:picard1:

[Ulla]

If you look at the genetics then they overlap the most with Belgium.( Pred Wallonia i guess)

France:
Belgium 12,00%
Spain 27,00%
England 27,50%
North Italy 27,50%
Valencia 29,00%
Portugal 30,00%
Switzerland 30,00%
South Germany 31,00%
Netherlands 31,00%
West Germany 33,50%

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

What's the source of this?

[Belenos]

What's the source of this?

They give that as the source for the french samples :http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875176809002340

[Belenos]

France is a large country which has a central position in western europe and you can't categorize the whole country in one group. The more you go the south, the more people ressemble Northern spanish/italian, the more you go to the north, the more they look northwestern/central euro. People saying : iberian, italian because they speak a romance language are stupid, a language does not equal a phenotype.

[LightHouse89]

Spain and Germany I think.

[aimar]

Belgium and Switzerland then Italy, Germany, and at last Spain/England

[Smeagol]

Welsh, English, Southwestern Germans, Walloons, Flemish, and to a lesser extent in Southern France, Spanish, and Northern Italians.

[Didac]

Oh dear God. You think nothing. Putting Switzerland and Belgium behind Spain and Italy(whole of Italy LOL). I don't even...

French people(Wallons, French Swiss included obviously) ofc overlap the most with other central/north-west populations like South and Western Germans, German Swiss and Brits. Even in southern France you'll find a great percentage who would not be out of place in Britain or Germany. Ofc several would fit in Northern Spain and Northern Italy but the fact that you can find so many northern looking people there is just an indication for that France as a country is considerably more northern than southern looking.

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1618645624/3993735.jpg

http://www.photo-de-classe.com/photos-de-classe/photodeclasse_229345/photo-de-classe-1973-LYCEE+Grand+Air.jpg

http://www.sudouest.fr/images/2011/06/15/426355_16939483_460x306.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/2649933240/2537321.jpg

http://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2013/05/22/201305221052-full.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1308503387/2140371.jpg

http://www.lepopulaire.fr/photoSRC/bqViVeldaWelbKxCPNWs_pusXXdNGltxXD4uu1iw_sR0IkLcaz bGupnwlQUaVQo_pWI48f0HY_sxYvETMFwM2diAkJo-_/656843.jpeg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/6648551514/1085030.jpg

http://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/175321988/1084976.jpg


France doesn’t fit in with Britain at all not one of these look in place of England. South France is closest to Spain and north Italy and Switzerland depending on south west or east. Central France is closest to south Germany and Switzerland. North France is closest to Belgium and central west Germany

Edit: these Americans know nothing about Europe they don’t look west either at all

[Alazair]

Belgium/switzerland and sometimes germany but french really have their own distinct look