ButlerKing
11-02-2012, 09:32 PM
Hi, I want to make an thread about the genetic influence of Mongolians around the world and their descendants.
Genetics tell us Kazakhs, Hazara, Crimean Tatars were mostly the result of Mongoloid men (Y-DNA) who mated with Indo-European women (mtDNA). Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Kygyz are mostly the result of Indo-European men (Y-DNA) and Mongoloid women (mtDNA). Mongolian Caucasian mtDNA is 14.3% AND Y-DNA is 6%. So It would seem Central Asia have been heavily shaped from Intermarriage and assimilation. These Mongol hybrids can also be found the Hazara of middle east, and the Nogai of southern Russia and Caucasus but not in the rest of Europe.
http://i46.tinypic.com/28u4f47.jpg
Autosomal DNA
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AiqxfdH1kqo/TnC1DOX7yUI/AAAAAAAAEHk/LanedZAS19Q/s1600/admixture-caucasus.png
Kazakhs, Kyrgyz are the most mongoloid being from 60-75% Mongoloid
Uzbeks on average 42-47% Mongoloid, some are 30-40% or 60-70%. Mongoloid
Uyghurs on average 50-52% Mongoloid, some are 46 - 60% Mongoloid
Turkmen on average are 16% Mongoloid, some are 27-31% Mongoloid
Kuban Nogais ( <---- Kuban nogais are only 3% of Nogais and may have mixed with the Caucasus people, they do not live in the same territory like the vast majority of Nogais in republic of Nogay)
Kuban Nogais average 23.5% Mongoloid, some are 26.5 - 36.5% Mongoloid.
Haplogroup C3 in the world
C3 6-12% Northern China
C3 11-16% Koreans
C3 Hazara in Pakistan 40% O3 8%
C3 Hazara in Afghanistan 33.33% O3 1.57%
C3 Tajiks in Afghanistan 3.57% , O3 9%
C3 Pasthun in Afghanistan 2.56%
C3 Pasthun in Afghanistan 5%
C3 Assyrians in Iran 2.6%
C3 Bandari in Iran 0.8%
C3 Manzandarani in Iran 1.4%
C3 Zoroasterian in In ran 2.6%
C3 Bengalis in West Bengal 3.2%
C3 Indian in new Dehli 0.6%
C3 Hunza 5% and O3 5%
C3 Russians 0.2% or 0.7%
Iran ethnic minority groups
http://i46.tinypic.com/168ieci.jpg
Russians
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/table/tbl2/
Rovslav 0.9%
Belgorod 0.7%
Central Russian total 0.2%
Southern Russian total 0.2%
Afghanistan and Pakistan ethnic minority
" Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events"
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC3314501/
"Haplogroup C3 in Uzbeks (41.18%) and Hazaras (33.33%) than it was in Tajiks (3.57%) and Pashtuns (2.04%). On the other hand, R1a1a-M17 was significantly more frequent (p = 3.00×10−6) in Pashtuns (51.02%) and Tajiks (30.36%) than in Uzbeks (17.65%) and Hazaras (6.67%). RM networks of C3-M217 (Figure S1A) and R1a1a-M17 "
Haplogroup C3 and O3
Uzbeks/ Afghanistan 41.18% C3 + 5.9% O3
Hazara/ Pakistan 40% C3 + 8% O3
Hazaras/ Afghanistan 33.33% C3 + O3 2.56%
Tajiks/Afghanistan 3.57% C3 + O3 9%
Pashtuns Afghanistan 2.04% C3
Pashtun Pakistan 5% C3
Tatars ( Russian ethnic minority )
BASHKIR TATARS
C3 it's found highest at 17% at highest
O it's found highest at 6% at highest
N-P43 it's found highest at 3% highest
N-tat = N1c1, it's found from as low as 3% to as high as 65% ( I'm not sure if this spread by Finno ugric or by Yakuts or Uralic people, at least some of them)
http://i50.tinypic.com/jfxb42.jpg
Mongolian themselves are genetically 81-95% Mongoloid, east Mongolians being almost 100% Mongoloid and West Mongolians being a bit over 81% Mongoloid.
http://blondesearch.ru/img/35/35e/Mongolian_Vs_Hmong_blue_eyes_green_eyes_red_hair_b londe_hair_.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Duo9t6jJkAE/0.jpg
C3 is found highest in Siberia, Mongolian, Manchus, Eskimo, Inuits. It's founds in Koreans, Chinese, Japanese. All of Central Asian Turkic, Tajiks, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Turkey, Southern Russia, Caucasus. It's found in highest in the Hazara of middle east, the Nogais of Caucasus and the Crimean Tatars of East europe in Ukraine. The Kazakhs have very high C3 as do the Uzbeks of Afghanistan.
Mongolian hybrids
Hazara
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181978/
mtDNA 52% West Eurasian, 13% South Asian/Indian, 35% East Asian
Y-DNA 48%-52% East Asian 40% C3, 8% O3. West Eurasian and South Asian make up the rest.
Many Hazara appearance can range from middle easterner, European, mongoloid.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/115285208_a6259e2a4d.jpg
Nogais are descendants from the golden horde.
East Asian Y-DNA 19-25% like 13% C3, 6% O3, D 6%, East Asian mtDNA 39%
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/47
http://i44.tinypic.com/dw3rit.jpg
Crimean Tatars
East Asian Y-DNA 19% like 9% C3, 5% O, 5% O3. West Eurasian mtDNA 100%.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/47/table/T2
Appearance of some Crimean Tatars look mixed with mongoloids
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n2UJhp1Z9QM/Rlhc_JU_M-I/AAAAAAAAAzs/-hrX7SOCawA/s400/BobpPix07+214.jpg
http://www.fundacja.info/foto/spotkanie_gmin/800/139-3924_IMG.jpg
Genetics tell us Kazakhs, Hazara, Crimean Tatars were mostly the result of Mongoloid men (Y-DNA) who mated with Indo-European women (mtDNA). Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Kygyz are mostly the result of Indo-European men (Y-DNA) and Mongoloid women (mtDNA). Mongolian Caucasian mtDNA is 14.3% AND Y-DNA is 6%. So It would seem Central Asia have been heavily shaped from Intermarriage and assimilation. These Mongol hybrids can also be found the Hazara of middle east, and the Nogai of southern Russia and Caucasus but not in the rest of Europe.
http://i46.tinypic.com/28u4f47.jpg
Autosomal DNA
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AiqxfdH1kqo/TnC1DOX7yUI/AAAAAAAAEHk/LanedZAS19Q/s1600/admixture-caucasus.png
Kazakhs, Kyrgyz are the most mongoloid being from 60-75% Mongoloid
Uzbeks on average 42-47% Mongoloid, some are 30-40% or 60-70%. Mongoloid
Uyghurs on average 50-52% Mongoloid, some are 46 - 60% Mongoloid
Turkmen on average are 16% Mongoloid, some are 27-31% Mongoloid
Kuban Nogais ( <---- Kuban nogais are only 3% of Nogais and may have mixed with the Caucasus people, they do not live in the same territory like the vast majority of Nogais in republic of Nogay)
Kuban Nogais average 23.5% Mongoloid, some are 26.5 - 36.5% Mongoloid.
Haplogroup C3 in the world
C3 6-12% Northern China
C3 11-16% Koreans
C3 Hazara in Pakistan 40% O3 8%
C3 Hazara in Afghanistan 33.33% O3 1.57%
C3 Tajiks in Afghanistan 3.57% , O3 9%
C3 Pasthun in Afghanistan 2.56%
C3 Pasthun in Afghanistan 5%
C3 Assyrians in Iran 2.6%
C3 Bandari in Iran 0.8%
C3 Manzandarani in Iran 1.4%
C3 Zoroasterian in In ran 2.6%
C3 Bengalis in West Bengal 3.2%
C3 Indian in new Dehli 0.6%
C3 Hunza 5% and O3 5%
C3 Russians 0.2% or 0.7%
Iran ethnic minority groups
http://i46.tinypic.com/168ieci.jpg
Russians
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/table/tbl2/
Rovslav 0.9%
Belgorod 0.7%
Central Russian total 0.2%
Southern Russian total 0.2%
Afghanistan and Pakistan ethnic minority
" Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events"
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC3314501/
"Haplogroup C3 in Uzbeks (41.18%) and Hazaras (33.33%) than it was in Tajiks (3.57%) and Pashtuns (2.04%). On the other hand, R1a1a-M17 was significantly more frequent (p = 3.00×10−6) in Pashtuns (51.02%) and Tajiks (30.36%) than in Uzbeks (17.65%) and Hazaras (6.67%). RM networks of C3-M217 (Figure S1A) and R1a1a-M17 "
Haplogroup C3 and O3
Uzbeks/ Afghanistan 41.18% C3 + 5.9% O3
Hazara/ Pakistan 40% C3 + 8% O3
Hazaras/ Afghanistan 33.33% C3 + O3 2.56%
Tajiks/Afghanistan 3.57% C3 + O3 9%
Pashtuns Afghanistan 2.04% C3
Pashtun Pakistan 5% C3
Tatars ( Russian ethnic minority )
BASHKIR TATARS
C3 it's found highest at 17% at highest
O it's found highest at 6% at highest
N-P43 it's found highest at 3% highest
N-tat = N1c1, it's found from as low as 3% to as high as 65% ( I'm not sure if this spread by Finno ugric or by Yakuts or Uralic people, at least some of them)
http://i50.tinypic.com/jfxb42.jpg
Mongolian themselves are genetically 81-95% Mongoloid, east Mongolians being almost 100% Mongoloid and West Mongolians being a bit over 81% Mongoloid.
http://blondesearch.ru/img/35/35e/Mongolian_Vs_Hmong_blue_eyes_green_eyes_red_hair_b londe_hair_.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Duo9t6jJkAE/0.jpg
C3 is found highest in Siberia, Mongolian, Manchus, Eskimo, Inuits. It's founds in Koreans, Chinese, Japanese. All of Central Asian Turkic, Tajiks, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Turkey, Southern Russia, Caucasus. It's found in highest in the Hazara of middle east, the Nogais of Caucasus and the Crimean Tatars of East europe in Ukraine. The Kazakhs have very high C3 as do the Uzbeks of Afghanistan.
Mongolian hybrids
Hazara
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181978/
mtDNA 52% West Eurasian, 13% South Asian/Indian, 35% East Asian
Y-DNA 48%-52% East Asian 40% C3, 8% O3. West Eurasian and South Asian make up the rest.
Many Hazara appearance can range from middle easterner, European, mongoloid.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/115285208_a6259e2a4d.jpg
Nogais are descendants from the golden horde.
East Asian Y-DNA 19-25% like 13% C3, 6% O3, D 6%, East Asian mtDNA 39%
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/47
http://i44.tinypic.com/dw3rit.jpg
Crimean Tatars
East Asian Y-DNA 19% like 9% C3, 5% O, 5% O3. West Eurasian mtDNA 100%.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/47/table/T2
Appearance of some Crimean Tatars look mixed with mongoloids
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n2UJhp1Z9QM/Rlhc_JU_M-I/AAAAAAAAAzs/-hrX7SOCawA/s400/BobpPix07+214.jpg
http://www.fundacja.info/foto/spotkanie_gmin/800/139-3924_IMG.jpg