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Creeping Death
07-15-2009, 06:46 PM
Northern Ireland Police Attacked in Belfast Catholic District (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aA59RR7gf.1M)
Police officers were attacked on July 13 with gasoline bombs and stones in Ardoyne just before a Protestant parade passed the area. The parade was one of hundreds in the U.K. province to celebrate the July 12 victory of the Protestant King William over the Roman Catholic King James at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. Dissident republicans who favor a united Ireland and are opposed to the province’s peace process were accused by police of orchestrating the violence.
It should be noted that the Orange Plantation Squatter Population are now only a majority in only 2 of the 6 counties in occupied Ulster (part of). What we are witnessing here are the final acts in restoring Ireland to its whole 32 county status.

Óttar
07-15-2009, 07:13 PM
Well, when they march in honour of King Billy, they ought to do it in there own neighborhood. Enough said.

Orange&BlueBear
07-16-2009, 01:58 AM
Well, when they march in honour of King Billy, they ought to do it in there own neighborhood. Enough said.

In the case of Ardoyne shops its the main road back to Ballysillan, there is no other route back to Ballysillan and Ligoneil. It isn't a Catholic road either, on one side of the road is Loyalist (Twaddell Avenue) the other side Catholic, the bottom and top of the road are both Protestant and the last year the feeder parade was banned and the bandsmen and Protestant people from Ligoneil, Ballysillan, Upper Ardoyne were put on buses past Ardoyne the buses were attacked.

Loyalist
07-16-2009, 02:08 AM
It should be noted that the Orange Plantation Squatter Population are now only a majority in only 2 of the 6 counties in occupied Ulster (part of). What we are witnessing here are the final acts in restoring Ireland to its whole 32 county status.

That problem can be rectified quite easily; as late as the 1980s the Thatcher administration had a plan to deport the Catholic populace to southern Ulster and relinquish control of the territory. That, coupled with the fact that the Conservative Party is about to sweep to power, and pro-Unionist, right-wing movements like the BNP are fast gaining support on a nation-wide basis, will ensure Ulster remains a part of the United Kingdom for all time.


Well, when they march in honour of King Billy, they ought to do it in there own neighborhood. Enough said.

When the parade routes were established, the now-Catholic majority neighbourhoods had a predominantly Protestant populace. I do not see Unionist communities turning out in similar numbers to attack parades by the AOH, or St. Patrick's Day celebrations, and those festivals are not as rooted in history as the Orange Walks. I see no reason why the Order should cease marching along their historic routes because 15-year olds in Celtic tops have an irresistible urge to throw rocks and set Orange halls on fire.

Orange&BlueBear
07-16-2009, 02:45 AM
When the parade routes were established, the now-Catholic majority neighbourhoods had a predominantly Protestant populace. I do not see Unionist communities turning out in similar numbers to attack parades by the AOH, or St. Patrick's Day celebrations, and those festivals are not as rooted in history as the Orange Walks. I see no reason why the Order should cease marching along their historic routes because 15-year olds in Celtic tops have an irresistible urge to throw rocks and set Orange halls on fire

Very true. Ardoyne was once majority Protestant, New Lodge was the same, the Falls Road was majority Protestant at one stage and up too 35 years ago what is now the heartland of Republican West Belfast Andersonstown was Protestant territory, even in the staunchly Republican New Grosvenor road was once Protestant, when the troubles started and the Civil Rights movement sent out word from Londonderry for trouble to be started elsewhere to ease pressure on the Bogside during the rioting against the RUC in the so-called battle of the Bogside the Protestant church on the Grosvenor was burnt to the ground and the local Prods down around that part of Belfast put out as trouble erupted in that part of West Belfast, even the famous IRA bar the felons Club (to be a member you have to be a former republican prisoner) was once a place were an orange band met, Connelly House on the Falls was once used by an Orange lodge How times have changed in West Belfast. Same sort a set-up in Londonderry, when the Creggan was built a lot a Protestants lived in it, same with parts of the Bogside, big British Legion in the Cityside thats membership was predominantly Roman Catholic was forced out a business by the Provos, they then changed to a Catholic ex-servicemens club but as i said the Provos finally put them out a business completely. Same with villages like Kilrea, Bellaghy, Newtownbutler were all once Protestant strongholds and now have had problems with protests over parades the last few years, Sinn Fein IRA used the parading issue to further their own agenda, it kept their hard-liners happy and was also a way of keeping the younger ones on the side of the PIRA as they quietly surrendered and accepted British Rule in Northern Ireland, the areas they really created most tension in the likes of Portadown, Lurgan, North Belfast was basically to an extent to keep the tension high so they could take over Protestant territory to further their own agendas, basically demographics is destiny.

Creeping Death
07-16-2009, 07:49 AM
they ought to do it in there own neighborhood. Enough said.England their native neighborhood, yeah I agree lets hope the native Irish drum the multiculturalists arseholes out of their nation.

Ill just do some editing to this persons post:

In the case of Ardoyne shops its the main road back to Ballysillan, there is no other route back to Ballysillan and Ligoneil. It isn't a Native Celtic Irish road either, on one side of the road is Squatter British (Twaddell Avenue) the other side Native Celtic Irish, the bottom and top of the road are both Squatter British and the last year the feeder parade was banned and the bandsmen and Squatter British people from Ligoneil, Ballysillan, Upper Ardoyne were put on buses past Ardoyne the buses were attacked.
Thats better, I hope plenty of these Squatter British die this year.

That problem can be rectified quite easily; as late as the 1980s the Thatcher administration had a plan to deport the Catholic populace to southern Ulster and relinquish control of the territory. That, coupled with the fact that the Conservative Party is about to sweep to power, and pro-Unionist, right-wing movements like the BNP are fast gaining support on a nation-wide basis, will ensure Ulster remains a part of the United Kingdom for all time.
And it is lost on you Arseholes that the Squatter British Wankers are now a majority in only 2 counties of Ulsters 6 counties. Ireland has won enjoy the ferry ride back to the Lowlands.

Orange&BlueBear
07-18-2009, 12:00 AM
It should be noted that the Orange Plantation Squatter Population are now only a majority in only 2 of the 6 counties in occupied Ulster (part of). What we are witnessing here are the final acts in restoring Ireland to its whole 32 county status.

In Northern Ireland probably around 80% plus percent of the population live within 30 miles of Belfast.

By the time you take out Belfast and the Greater Belfast area,the surronding towns of Carrickfergus, Larne and the greater East Antrim area, the City of Lisburn and its surronding areas of Hillsborough, Aghalee, Moira,Annahilt,Dromore etc, Bangor,Newtownards, Greater Ards Penimsula, from East Belfast to Newtownards and on out past Conlig to Bangor is solid housing and within the Greater Belfast area is such housing developments as Ballybeen and Rathcoole which up until a few years ago were regarded as some of the biggest social housing estates in Europe and within the British Isles at one stage I believe only Castlemilk in Scotland was bigger. On out in the Craigavon area taking in Portadown and Lurgan and the surronding villages such as Dollingstown,Tandragee, Loughgall,Warringstown etc, Antrim and Ballymena are both significant sized towns and the surronding areas are well populated with such villages as Cullybackey, Broughshane etc which are now basically connected to the local towns through housing in County Down still within 30 miles of Belfast Banbridge and its surronding areas are well enough populated as well. Take these areas out of Ulster and really what have you got left?

Well you have Cookstown, a good sized town in County Tyrone, bang in the centre of the Province and really it and it's surronding Country side are fairly mixed interms of the religious break up of the population, only some of the real republican areas like the loop and ardboe are solid rebel areas. Other areas like Stewartstown might be regarded as republican strongholds but the surronding land around the village is overwhelmingly Protestant, even in other areas like Pomeroy again the farmland around it is still held in Protestant hands. It's the same story throughout the whole of County Tyrone even around the places like Cappagh and Carrickmore a lot of the land is still in Protestant hands even through the official census fiqures may paint a different picture for those without any sort of understanding of the real situation on the ground. In and around Dungannon the surronding villages and hamlets like Castlecaulfield, Moygashel, Killymoon are still mainly in Protestant control and the farmland around them is mainly Protestant. Even in the West of Tyrone along the border any town of any significance still has a fairly healthy Protestant population and especially in the rural countryside around such places as Castlederg and Newtownstewart even the IRA stronghold of Strabane is surronded by Protestant land.

Take out the West bank of Londonderry and Newry and really the Roman Catholic population of Northern Ireland isn't that significant, they do win seats in a lot of rural areas due to the high Roman Catholic populations in some towns and villages but when it comes to the vast majority of the Countryside throughout the Province Protestants still hold the land, even look at Crossmaglen the IRA heartland it still has its own Orange Lodge and a young up and coming UUP member called Donaldson is from Crossmaglen and the local Protestant church of Ireland is still surviving due to the Protestant farmers who were brave enough to stick it out down there through the worst years of the troubles.

You yap on about the 32 Countys of the Island of Ireland and 6 occupied countys of (part of)Ulster. The 9 Countys of Ulster are as follows-Antrim,Down,Londonderry,Tyrone,Fermanagh,Armagh,Ca van,Monaghan and Donegal why do republicans go on about the nine countys of Ulster so much?

The nine-county Province of Ulster was merely an Elizabethan administrative unit, which has astonishingly achieved sanctity among Gaelic space-cadets as the "historic Province of Ulster". In reality it corresponds neither with the old tribal federation of Uladh (Ulidia) which consisted mainly of Antrim and Down, nor with the Gaelic Kingdom of the 14th to 16th Centuries.

The whole Island of Ireland was never united as one either, the only time it was ever united as one as under British rule.

You keep talking a lot about the planters and British squatters, well most people in Northern Ireland and indeed the republic of Ireland are ethnically British and you only have to look at Irish republicanism to clearly show how mixed together the gene pool is.

Take for example Sinn Fein, we had the likes of Alex Ferguson in West Belfast, Willie Clarke in South Down. Clarke and Ferguson- You can't get much more Scottish than that?

Then you have the likes of Barbara Brown and John Stephenson both felt the need to use Barbara De Brun and Sean McStiofain as the way to pronounce their names.

In contrast you have former Unionist Prime Ministers of Northern Ireland with surnames like O'Neill who's family name was traced back to the famous Irish/Ulster clan of the O'Neills who waged the 9 year war and then took part in the famous flight of the Earls.

Basically it isn't as clear cut as you think it is. It's clear up here in North Antrim especially where large Roman Catholic/Republican families have names like Stewart and Campbell and Protestant families have names like McAlease and Namee, McKeeman, O'Toole.

Beorn
07-18-2009, 12:29 AM
Clarke and Ferguson- You can't get much more Scottish than that?

Ferguson I will certainly not contest, but Clark spelt with an 'E' is the English as spelling Clark without the 'E' is Scottish.

But with all that said, the surname of Clark (although an Anglo name) is the Anglicised form of Mac a' Chlerich/Cleireach, which means the same as the Anglo form: A son of a Cleric or Clerk.

And, with all that said, you also get in Ireland the Cleary/O'Clery surname which is one of the oldest Irish surnames to be found in Ireland. That too can - and does - get Anglicised to Clark/Clarke.

Creeping Death
07-18-2009, 04:45 AM
In Northern Ireland probably around 80% plus percent of the population live within 30 miles of Belfast. Save your breath, there will eventaullay be a vote on Irish reunification. Your scenario is only good if the vote is under the first past the post system currently employed. Whence you could stack the vote in favour of any desired result. However there will be future referendum consisting of one vote one person. Under the Northern Ireland peace process pledge of "No change to the status of Northern Ireland without the express consent of the people" , that is the simple fate that has been sealed, because demographics works with the Native Irish.

The nine-county Province of Ulster was merely an Elizabethan administrative unit
There has always been a clearly defined Ulster:

Early History: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster#History_and_politics) The province's early story extends further back than written records and survives mainly in legends such as the Ulster Cycle. In early medieval Ireland, the Uí Néill (O'Neill) dynasty dominated Ulster from their base in Tír Eóghain (Eoghan's Country) — most of which forms modern County Tyrone. The Ó Domhnaill (O'Donnell) dynasty were Ulster's second most powerful clan from the early thirteenth-century through to the beginning of the seventeenth-century. The O'Donnells ruled over Tír Chonaill (most of modern County Donegal) in West Ulster. After the Norman invasion of Ireland in the twelfth century, the east of the province fell by conquest to Norman barons, first De Courcy (died 1219), then Hugh de Lacy (1176-1243), who founded the Earldom of Ulster — based around the modern counties of Antrim and Down. However, by the end of the 15th century the Earldom had collapsed and Ulster had become the only Irish province completely outside of English control.
As for

In the 1600s Ulster was the last redoubt of the traditional Gaelic way of life, and following the defeat of the Irish forces in the Nine Years War (1594-1603) at the battle of Kinsale (1601), Elizabeth I's English forces succeeded in subjugating Ulster and all of Ireland. The Gaelic leaders of Ulster, the O'Neills and O'Donnells, finding their power under English suzerainty limited, decamped en masse in 1607 (the Flight of the Earls) to Roman Catholic Europe. This allowed the English Crown to plant Ulster with more loyal English and Scottish planters, a process which began in earnest in 1610.:thumb001:

Basically it isn't as clear cut as you think it is. It's clear up here in North Antrim especially where large Roman Catholic/Republican families have names like Stewart and Campbell and Protestant families have names like McAlease and Namee, McKeeman, O'Toole.
I will leave you with something its Highland Scots and Irish unity Gaels:

If the Irish colonized Scotland (Dalriada) and my Clan... (http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-261.html)

too many of our more "loyal" citizens bring shame on the word "Scottish" and abuse the Scots culture in such a way as to portray it as anti Irish. I my self believe that the Irish catholics have more in common with Scots protestant highlanders than Irish Protestants, eg. our common Gaelic language, our names, our features and our outlook. Ireland and Scotland are indeed one nation joined by water rather than divided by it, too much english self interest has seeped in and set the rot though, imagine if we could set aside religious and political differences and unite under the banner of GAEL how much influence the eireannach/albanach could assert. Erin go brach,,,Alba go brach.
Clearly the Irish and those Highland Scots dont see themselves as British but Gaels because British is an invention of multi-culturalism. And in Scotland they admit that Low Landers (ie: your people the squatters) are Anglo-Saxon in origin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people)

Orange&BlueBear
07-18-2009, 12:00 PM
Ferguson I will certainly not contest, but Clark spelt with an 'E' is the English as spelling Clark without the 'E' is Scottish.

But with all that said, the surname of Clark (although an Anglo name) is the Anglicised form of Mac a' Chlerich/Cleireach, which means the same as the Anglo form: A son of a Cleric or Clerk.

And, with all that said, you also get in Ireland the Cleary/O'Clery surname which is one of the oldest Irish surnames to be found in Ireland. That too can - and does - get Anglicised to Clark/Clarke.

Informative post.

Sinn Fein Willie Clarke father is a Protestant from the Annalong direction, so it would be interesting to know were his families ancestors came from.

Orange&BlueBear
07-18-2009, 01:03 PM
Save your breath, there will eventaullay be a vote on Irish reunification. Your scenario is only good if the vote is under the first past the post system currently employed. Whence you could stack the vote in favour of any desired result. However there will be future referendum consisting of one vote one person. Under the Northern Ireland peace process pledge of "No change to the status of Northern Ireland without the express consent of the people" , that is the simple fate that has been sealed, because demographics works with the Native Irish.


That’s not going to happen, thousands of Roman Catholics recent surveys have found that over 20% of Roman Catholics are in favour of Northern Ireland staying within the United Kingdom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OPwHHI9sy0

A young Roman Catholic from West Belfast who has joined the UUP, he’s not the only one, plenty of young Roman Catholics have joined the UUP at the Coleraine campus of the University of Ulster.

Going by the last European elections were Sinn Fein topped the poll, tens of thousands of Unionists who would usually vote didn’t vote because they were sickened by the DUP sharing power with the IRA, hopefully these tens of thousands a votes will be picked up by the BNP in the future. Unionism still managed to beat the two nationalist parties in terms of the overall vote and in getting two MEPs elected. The future for Unionism is a strong one at present, even simple things like local councils for the first time in years Unionists are holding the position of Lord Mayor in the majority of councils right throughout the Province. The idea that we’re on the final stretch towards Irish unification is utter nonsense with even die hard republicans admitting that a United Ireland is further away than ever.

Dissident republicans tactics are at present to murder policemen so British soldiers have to be deployed again on the streets of Northern Ireland, so come on we are hardly witnessing the final phase of Irish unification or as you cal it re-unification what’s that all of the Island of Ireland under the Union flag ?


There has always been a clearly defined Ulster:


Yes Ulster has always been clearly defined as different from the rest of the Island of Ireland some would argue from the time of black pigs dyke and the trench system separating it from the raiding Irish of Connacht. Ulster has always varied in size but the fact remains that the 9 County Province of Ulster that republicans like to yap on about was created as nothing more than an Elizabethan administration unit.


If the Irish colonized Scotland (Dalriada) and my Clan...

too many of our more "loyal" citizens bring shame on the word "Scottish" and abuse the Scots culture in such a way as to portray it as anti Irish. I my self believe that the Irish catholics have more in common with Scots protestant highlanders than Irish Protestants, eg. our common Gaelic language, our names, our features and our outlook. Ireland and Scotland are indeed one nation joined by water rather than divided by it, too much english self interest has seeped in and set the rot though, imagine if we could set aside religious and political differences and unite under the banner of GAEL how much influence the eireannach/albanach could assert. Erin go brach,,,Alba go brach.

Clearly the Irish and those Highland Scots dont see themselves as British but Gaels because British is an invention of multi-culturalism. And in Scotland they admit that Low Landers (ie: your people the squatters) are Anglo-Saxon in origin.

I don’t see what point your trying to make in all honesty. Gaelic culture is a part of our British heritage. In North Antrim the genetic blood pool is that heavily mixed that all the people wither Catholic or Protestant can’t be defined as anything other than of British stock. Even in the Glens there is no such thing as ethnic Gaels the local communities have been hit that hard by migration away from Belfast and so on that the likes of Carnlough, Cushendull, Cushendun have hardly even got there own distinct accent left and Ballycastle is as British as you can get. The number of even English and Scottish couples that you get living in and around it is staggering. The Glens area might be an area with strong Gaelic cultural significance but the Protestant population in it are some of the most hard-line loyalists you will find anywhere in the Province and the Roman Catholic population many of them are proud to be British and considering some parts of the Glens is nearly 100% Roman Catholic Irish republicanism is not strong at all and most of the trouble that has ever came from the Glens area has been due to ones from Belfast causing the problems so your idea that the people don’t see themselves as British just isn’t true if you compared such territorial land that’s controlled by the Roman Catholics from Ballycastle to Cushendull and Waterfoot the amount of republican activity in the area can’t be compared to the likes of South Armagh (Crossmaglen),East Tyrone (Ardboe-The Loup), Londonderry (Cityside).

Creeping Death
07-18-2009, 07:31 PM
Informative post.

Sinn Fein Willie Clarke father is a Protestant from the Annalong direction, so it would be interesting to know were his families ancestors came from.
Great I can take your refusal to answer my points to your previous post as a victory for myself in this matter.

Dalriada
07-18-2009, 09:20 PM
Great I can take your refusal to answer my points to your previous post as a victory for myself in this matter.

Good for you!

The noise you are now hearing is the sound of nobody giving a flying fuck.

Creeping Death
07-18-2009, 09:29 PM
Good for you!

The noise you are now hearing is the sound of nobody giving a flying fuck.Oh Fuck..............

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