Is Bosnia Western of Eastern?

[Methmatician]

Is Bosnia and Herzegovina a Western country, or still considered part of Eastern Europe (if we're strictly dividing Europe into West and East)?


If you think Western, what do you think makes it Western?
If you think Eastern, what do you think makes it Eastern?

[Insuperable]

Neither Eastern nor Western nor Southern. Belongs to Africa.

[Hurrem sultana]

both

[Mraz]

Bosnia belongs to Illuminati Empire.

[dado]

last time i checked we were south-east---as far as mentality,we r some wierd mixture

[Kemalisté]

It's an Eastern European nation.

[Comte Arnau]

Sorry for the reductionism, but the truth is that for most Westerners, if it speaks Slavic, it's Eastern.

[Vukodav]

Its part of Eastern Europe. just like other ex-Yugoslav countries.

[Sultan Suleiman]

last time i checked we were south-east---as far as mentality,we r some wierd mixture

Holy shit you look like Marcus Fenix :eek:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8x2jjXnTp1qdhy0xo1_500.jpg

[Ianus]

More Eastern i think, considering the culture and the history

[RandoBloom]

More Eastern i think, considering the culture and the history

Quite wrong

[blogen]

Eastern as Serbia and the other Balkan countries from east and southeast of Bosnia. There are not Muslim or Orthodox Christian western countries.

[blogen]

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[Cleitus]

South Eastern European-Balkan Country
What kind of a question is this :picard1:
http://www.dpp-europe.com/NAVPICS/cartes/south_eastern_europe.gif

[RandoBloom]

Eastern as Serbia and the other Balkan countries from east and southeast of Bosnia. There are not Muslim or Orthodox Christian western countries.

There is. Bosnia :)

[Queen B]

Eastern in every sense. Duh

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Bosnia is less Eastern European by DNA than most of Eastern Europe except Albania.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-European-admixture.gif

[RandoBloom]

Bosnia is less Eastern European by DNA than most of Eastern Europe except Albania.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-European-admixture.gif

Bosniaks arent at all. Only Serb areas are lighting up

[Dombra]

Middle Eastern :lol:

[RussiaPrussia]

Bosnia is less Eastern European by DNA than most of Eastern Europe except Albania.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-European-admixture.gif

so is turkey

[Cleitus]

Quite wrong

What the hell are you talking ?

[RandoBloom]

What the hell are you talking ?

Bosniaks dont look nor behave eastern

[Cleitus]

Bosniaks dont look nor behave eastern
what is eastern look or eastern behaviour ?
However you are quite dellusional, Bosniaks are the same as all other Balkaners.

[Cail]

Bosniaks dont look nor behave eastern

That's cause they look and behave like sand niggers. With a monkey religion to boot.

[RandoBloom]

what is eastern look or eastern behaviour ?
However you are quite dellusional, Bosniaks are the same as all other Balkaners.

Serb/Russian look is eastern look. And their ideoology is the eastern behaviour. Bosniaks dont have either


That's cause they look and behave like sand niggers. With a monkey religion to boot.

Much better than being a gypsy like all Italians are

[Cleitus]

Serb/Russian look is eastern look. And their ideoology is the eastern behaviour. Bosniaks dont have either



Much better than being a gypsy like all Italians are
There is no eastern ideology you mean Pan Slavism ? and with eastern behaviour you mean the behaviour of the Baltid Savage race am i right ?

[RandoBloom]

There is no eastern ideology you mean Pan Slavism ? and with eastern behaviour you mean the behaviour of the Baltid Savage race am i right ?

The idea of expansionism, extermination of natives, opression, oposition to western way of life etc..

[Smaug]

Neither, for being a Muslim country.

[Cleitus]

The idea of expansionism, extermination of natives, opression, oposition to western way of life etc..
Yes, you mean Pan Slavism, however the so called Western Way of Life is nothing other then degeneracy which was hatched by Jewish Heads.
Also the Baltid Race is known for its ruthlesness and senseless agressivity.

[Cail]

Much better than being a gypsy like all Italians are
I'm not Italian :laugh:.

And if someone's Gypsy that's you. You Bosnians as a nation is basically a mix of sand niggers, Turks and Gypsies in various proportions, superimposed over some meager remnants of your white ancestors.

[RandoBloom]

I'm not Italian :laugh:.

And if someone's Gypsy that's you. You Bosnians as a nation is basically a mix of sand niggers, Turks and Gypsies in various proportions, superimposed over some meager remnants of your white ancestors.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?67573-Classify(-Guess)-Cail yes sure :laugh:
No wonder you are so butthurt when you have filthy eastern genes in you

[RandoBloom]

Yes, you mean Pan Slavism, however the so called Western Way of Life is nothing other then degeneracy which was hatched by Jewish Heads.
Also the Baltid Race is known for its ruthlesness and senseless agressivity.

They always oposed it ever since Peter tried to civilize them a bit. And opose it for no reason other than to opose it. Just like supporting every country west doesnt, simply because west doesnt support it.

[Odin]

Eastern.

[Bosniensis]

When people say East or West they think on Western Europe (Germanic peoples) and East (Slavs).

We are neither of those two.

Bosnians are Eastern Roman = Eastern Mediterranean.

Why?

Because populace culturally is either Ottoman influenced or Eastern Roman influenced (Serbs).

If we take into consideration that Both Ottomans and Romans share a common ancestry and are both similar to Eastern Roman culture there you have it.


Eastern Roman or "Byzantine" would be a correct response.

Neither Western (Germanic) o Eastern (Slavic).

Some would say Eastern because we speak Slavic language.. but we don't share any traditions with Slavs (maybe in Slovenia, Croatia or Voivodina Serbia) but not here.

[zhaoyun]

Eastern def. I don't think Western Europe when the name Bosnia comes up.

[Böri]

Eastern Europe with some whiff of Western


If we take into consideration that Both Ottomans and Romans share a common ancestry there you have it.
.

In your imagination. We have nothing to do with Nero, Caesar etc. Ottomans were a Turcoman principate which 'by accident, :) turned into a world empire. Croats are Western abit in your country and just that.

[Bosniensis]

Eastern Europe with some whiff of Western


In your imagination. We have nothing to do with Nero, Caesar etc. Ottomans were a Turcoman principate which 'by accident, :) turned into a world empire. Croats are Western abit in your country and just that.

Mehmed II Fatih was a Roman, he even called himself "Caesar of the Romans".

That was his official title.

Even Orthodox Christians from Greece confirmed that he was a Roman alas.. Turkified Roman but still Roman.

of course he called himself a Mehmed because he was a muslim.

My name is Sinan while my ancestors were called Constantine, Alexander etc...

[Böri]

Mehmed II Fatih was a Roman, he even called himself "Caesar of the Romans".

That was his official title.

Even Orthodox Christians from Greece confirmed that he was a Roman alas.. Turkified Roman but still Roman.

of course he called himself a Mehmed because he was a muslim.

My name is Sinan while my ancestors were called Constantine, Alexander etc...

:) Sadly bruh no. Mehmet Fatih became Caesar of Rome by might of weaponry. He descended from a Turcoman guy. He didnt descend from Nero or Constantine. ;)

[Bosniensis]

:) Sadly bruh no. Mehmet Fatih became Caesar of Rome by might of weaponry. He descended from a Turcoman guy. He didnt descend from Nero or Constantine. ;)

Whatever your Attaturk want's you to believe.

His mother was a Serb. Mara Branković (daughter of Roman Prefect Đurađ), his father was Greek.

Founding House of Osman were Greeks.

You see that house was founded 1300 A.D by a Greek converts to Islam who were Turkified during the Mongol Turkic Empire (just like me).

Nothing is known for certain about his father as well:

"Nothing is known with certainty about Ertuğrul, except that he existed and was the father of Osman, the first ruler of what was to become the Ottoman Empire."

So Ertugrul could be just like me.

Imagine myself being born in Turkey bearing name Sinan... do you think that I should be called Turk?

Greeks disagree.

Demetrios Chalkokondyles (1423-1511), referring to an Islamized Christian noble: »This Mahmud (Mehmed II Fatih), son of Michael, is Triballian, which means Serbian, by his mother, and Greek by his father.

Ottomans are just Turkified Greeks. Turks have been absorbed later among the Greek populace.

[Böri]

Whatever your Attaturk want's you to believe.

His mother was a Serb. Mara Branković (daughter of Roman Prefect Đurađ), his father was Greek.

Founding House of Osman were Greeks.

You see that house was founded 1300 A.D by a Greek converts to Islam who were Turkified during the Mongol Turkic Empire (just like me).

Nothing is known for certain about his father as well:

"Nothing is known with certainty about Ertuğrul, except that he existed and was the father of Osman, the first ruler of what was to become the Ottoman Empire."

So Ertugrul could be just like me.

Imagine myself being born in Turkey bearing name Sinan... do you think that I should be called Turk?

Greeks disagree.

Demetrios Chalkokondyles (1423-1511), referring to an Islamized Christian noble: »This Mahmud (Mehmed II Fatih), son of Michael, is Triballian, which means Serbian, by his mother, and Greek by his father.

Ottomans are just Turkified Greeks. Turks have been absorbed later among the Greek populace.

You are funny hasdadfjfhgjf :) You didnt watch Ertuğrul series? Series not good way to learn history but at least you can have idea how it looked like. I mean facts. It's documented and not disputed Ertuğrul came from Merv. Look where Merv is on map today (https://www.britannica.com/place/Merv) :)
Mehmet descended straight from Ertuğrul and no Mara was his mother in law, one of his father's wives.
Man, we cant discuss with you what's not discussable because this path has no return for us ;)

[Полковник 95]

:) Sadly bruh no. Mehmet Fatih became Caesar of Rome by might of weaponry. He descended from a Turcoman guy. He didnt descend from Nero or Constantine. ;)

A true Turkoman eagle!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Paolo_Veronese_022.jpg

[Bosniensis]

A true Turkoman eagle!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Paolo_Veronese_022.jpg

Gentile Bellini portrait: He had many dinaric traits like Nose:

Your portrait is completely different and that's not Mehmed II Fatih.

Also it 100% known that his mother was Triballian (Illyrian) Serb.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Gentile_Bellini_003.jpg/800px-Gentile_Bellini_003.jpg

[Böri]

Central Asian Turkomans vary in look. The nose can be little curved but never like Caucasian Eagle C. Here singer and girl from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJUisQ4IUUM

Serbian Mara was Murat II wife not Mehmet's mother. Mehmet born from another of unknown origin.

[Bosniensis]

Central Asian Turkomans vary in look. The nose can be little curved but never like Caucasian Eagle C. Here singer and girl from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJUisQ4IUUM

Serbian Mara was Murat II wife not Mehmet's mother. Mehmet born from another of unknown origin.

Interesting...

There is a lot of mystery or unknown in House of Osman family.

Ertugrul (Osmans Father) UNKNOWN

Mehmed II (Mother) UNKNOWN


We are talking 14th century Siyendi not 4000 B.C.

They are Greeks, Turkified Greek Converts to ISLAM!

If Demetrios confirmed that Mara was his mother WHY WOULD HE LIE? He had 0 reasons to lie.

Several Roman historians confirmed that, only Attaturk brainwashed his people that they are "TURKS" Attaturk was a Satanist, apostate, atheist.

Turkish language was ONE of the languages used and it is certain that it was preserved due to Turkic presence,
Turkish was the language of bureaucracy even for Greeks in Sultanate of Rum.

Even I can learn Turkish but that doesn't make me a TURK.

J2 MAP (GREEKS)


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=34765&d=1371522865

[Dandelion]

Eastern like in an orientalist way, with twirling dervishes and flutes.

[Полковник 95]

Central Asian Turkomans vary in look. The nose can be little curved but never like Caucasian Eagle C. Here singer and girl from there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJUisQ4IUUM

Serbian Mara was Murat II wife not Mehmet's mother. Mehmet born from another of unknown origin.

Eagle shaped nose is a Turko-Persian feature.

Pretty Turkmen girl:

http://i.imgur.com/IQ3ctyg.png

[Pigling]

South-Eastern Europe.

[Böri]

Interesting...

There is a lot of mystery or unknown in House of Osman family.

Ertugrul (Osmans Father) UNKNOWN

Mehmed II (Mother) UNKNOWN


We are talking 14th century Siyendi not 4000 B.C.

They are Greeks, Turkified Greek Converts to ISLAM!

If Demetrios confirmed that Mara was his mother WHY WOULD HE LIE? He had 0 reasons to lie.

Several Roman historians confirmed that, only Attaturk brainwashed his people that they are "TURKS" Attaturk was a Satanist, apostate, atheist.

Turkish language was ONE of the languages used and it is certain that it was preserved due to Turkic presence,
Turkish was the language of bureaucracy even for Greeks in Sultanate of Rum.

Even I can learn Turkish but that doesn't make me a TURK.

J2 MAP (GREEKS)


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=34765&d=1371522865

Your map is too much focused here in without zoom
https://i.hizliresim.com/3qL6r5.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/3qL6r5)

You see even Orthodox Chuvash in middle of Russia have so much of it :)

Who cares Mehmet's mother? Btw Ertuğrul's father was Gündüz, Turcoman clan leader.

[Bosniensis]

Your map is too much focused here in without zoom
https://i.hizliresim.com/3qL6r5.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/3qL6r5)

You see even Orthodox Chuvash in middle of Russia have so much of it :)

Who cares Mehmet's mother? Btw Ertuğrul's father was Gündüz, Turcoman clan leader.

http://www.teachinghearts.org/dr0imapgreece4.gif
http://www.sfakia-crete.com/sfakia-crete/images/alexmap2.jpg

[Böri]

http://www.teachinghearts.org/dr0imapgreece4.gif
http://www.sfakia-crete.com/sfakia-crete/images/alexmap2.jpg

LOL. Macedonians invaded steppe Iranians (Bactria and Sogdia) and these lands were submitted to cucked Darius rule. Back then the proto-Turks were more north and more toward Mongolia. Also your theory sinks as North Turks (Chuvash, Bashkir, Bulgar) never went in Sogdia-Bactria yet they have over 15 percent J2 too.

[Voskos]

Central-eastern.

[brennus dux gallorum]

By identity neither western nor eastern Europe.Geographically only central-eastern European

[LieDetector]

So much coping in this thread.

[The Destroyer]

It's none. Bosnia was the only medieval European country that was non-Catholic and non-Orthodox at the same time, had it's autonomous heretical Church and was considered an outcast by both Vatican and Constantinople. The identity of Bosniaks is historically built on opposition to the traditional ideas of both Western (Catholic) and Eastern (Ortodox) Europe.

And let's face it, the concepts of West and East Europe are pretty much Catholic culture vs Orthodox culture.

[Sekarotuinen]

Western

[brennus dux gallorum]

It's none. Bosnia was the only medieval European country that was non-Catholic and non-Orthodox at the same time, had it's autonomous heretical Church and was considered an outcast by both Vatican and Constantinople. The identity of Bosniaks is historically built on opposition to the traditional ideas of both Western (Catholic) and Eastern (Ortodox) Europe.

And let's face it, the concepts of West and East Europe are pretty much Catholic culture vs Orthodox culture.

I love that way only Bosnians as a taliban nation perceive Europe, which of course is far from reality,as neither churches are associated with parts of Europe nor such a conflict exists

[Bonpal]

other moslems probably think of them as western. since raping and pouring acid on womans faces is rare. as far as we know.

[The Destroyer]

I love that way only Bosnians as a taliban nation perceive Europe, which of course is far from reality,as neither churches are associated with parts of Europe nor such a conflict exists

I didn't expect you to understand, that would be overestimating you.

[Lavrentis]

I didn't expect you to understand, that would be overestimating you.

The world is not like the Serbs and their dogmatic attitude. There is no conflict between Catholics and Orthodox.

[The Destroyer]

The world is not like the Serbs and their dogmatic attitude. There is no conflict between Catholics and Orthodox.

Depends on your region, I guess. In most of former Yugoslavia, the hatred between the 2 is enormous.

[Moonshine]

I would say East european

[Ziveth]

Eastern.
http://punkoutlaw.com/po09/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/eastern_europe.jpg

[Bonpal]

It's none. Bosnia was the only medieval European country that was non-Catholic and non-Orthodox at the same time, had it's autonomous heretical Church and was considered an outcast by both Vatican and Constantinople. The identity of Bosniaks is historically built on opposition to the traditional ideas of both Western (Catholic) and Eastern (Ortodox) Europe.

And let's face it, the concepts of West and East Europe are pretty much Catholic culture vs Orthodox culture.

most non moslem sources show lots of catholics and orthodox in bosnia. what evidence is there that todays moslems have anything to do with medieval bosnian state anyway? seems like propaganda to link yourselves with a minority living in bosnia a thousand years ago. most likely, and more reasonable explanation is that your serbs and croat converts from ottoman times.

[The Destroyer]

most non moslem sources show lots of catholics and orthodox in bosnia. what evidence is there that todays moslems have anything to do with medieval bosnian state anyway? seems like propaganda to link yourselves with a minority living in bosnia a thousand years ago. most likely, and more reasonable explanation is that your serbs and croat converts from ottoman times.

I'm not going to lecture you for free. Go read a book or two.

[Robocop]

Considering genetics and appearence they're hybrid of Western and Eastern Europeans.

Considering culture of ppl it is Eastern.

[Insuperable]

Considering genetics and appearence they're hybrid of Western and Eastern Europeans.

Considering culture of ppl it is Eastern.

What is Western and what is Eastern European to you when it comes to genetics?

[Robocop]

What is Western and what is Eastern European to you when it comes to genetics?

Well looking at those relevant Autosomal DNA maps and research, it always shows Bosnia as some borderline of east and west in Europe, sure, they're somewhat leaning toward eastern Euro, but... they're there, as borderline IMO.

True Eastern European according to Autosomal DNA maps would be Serbia (considering Ex-Yugoslavia).

P.S. Ofcourse when we talk here about West and East in case of Bosnia we are in fact talking about Central and SouthEastern Europe, where Central Europe means west.

[Bonpal]

Well looking at those relevant Autosomal DNA maps and research, it always shows Bosnia as some borderline of east and west in Europe, sure, they're somewhat leaning toward eastern Euro, but... they're there, as borderline IMO.

True Eastern European according to Autosomal DNA maps would be Serbia (considering Ex-Yugoslavia).

P.S. Ofcourse when we talk here about West and East in case of Bosnia we are in fact talking about Central and SouthEastern Europe, where Central Europe means west.

you said genetically and now your answering non genetically.

[Insuperable]

P.S. Ofcourse when we talk here about West and East in case of Bosnia we are in fact talking about Central and SouthEastern Europe, where Central Europe means west.

Ok. That is what I wanted to know.