Life stops in Turkey at 9:05 am to pay respect to Ataturk

[Kemalisté]

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the great revolutionary and the founder of the Turkish Republic, was commemorated on November 10 for the 74th time around Turkey. Turkish people across the country observed a 1-minute of silence at 9:05am, the minute when Ataturk passed away on 10 November 1938. Flags were lowered to half-mast during the commemoration ceremonies at locations such as Security Directorate on Vatan Street, Dolmabahce Palace, and the Bosphorus Bridge.

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[Kemalisté]

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[Kemalisté]

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[Bugarash 1893]

Since when Turkey uses the siren thing?

LQkhsFR3Yb8

[Annihilus]

Hey you guys, my idea of celebrating 12th of march, can we do this?

[Cannabis Sativa]

Since when Turkey uses the siren thing?

LQkhsFR3Yb8

Almost for a century. You've been a bit late to discover the siren.

[Kemalisté]

Thousands of people gathered at Anitkabir, the Ataturk's mausoleum:

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[Drawing-slim]

Wasn't he of albanian origin?!

[Kemalisté]

Wasn't he of albanian origin?!

Sorry to break your pride but I'm afraid he is not. He is a Yörük Türkmen and there is a strong possibility that he was Alevi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yörük

[Drawing-slim]

Sorry to break your pride but I'm afraid he is not. He is a Yörük Türkmen and there is a strong possibility that he was Alevi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YörükOk ok but i thought one ataturks, an important one, was from an albanian father, not sure though thats why i asked:)

[Kemalisté]

Ok ok but i thought one ataturks, an important one, was from an albanian father, not sure though thats why i asked:)

Ataturk's father is claimed to be of Albanian origin but Falih Rifki Atay, journalist and a close friend of Ataturk said that he was from Söke Türks of Aydin Province.

[Su]

Rest in peace our national Hero.

[Drawing-slim]

Ataturk's father is claimed to be of Albanian origin but Falih Rifki Atay, journalist and a close friend of Ataturk said that he was from Söke Türks of Aydin Province.So you saying there's still a good chance he was albanian:P
Anyway, good man. (to be safe:D)

[Kemalisté]

So you saying there's still a good chance he was albanian:P
Anyway, good man. (to be safe:D)

Why does it matter so much ? he will always be remembered with his Turkish identity and patriotism. How many people are aware of Napoleon's Italian origins, or Steve Job's Syrian origins ? those people are associated with the nations they were born in and served.

[Azalea]

So you saying there's still a good chance he was albanian:P
Anyway, good man. (to be safe:D)

There is no proof of him being anything else then Turkish. The only reason why this 'Albanian claim' is alive is because of his appearence. 'He is too white to be Turkish so he must be Albanian or Macedonian'. :picard2:

[MfA_]

Ataturk's father is claimed to be of Albanian origin but Falih Rifki Atay, journalist and a close friend of Ataturk said that he was from Söke Türks of Aydin Province.

There is also a Malatya origin rumour (http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/ataturk-malatyali-miydi-/gundem/gundemdetay/19.08.2012/1583389/default.htm), dunno i dont care what is his origin or not, i do what he did for.. RIP

[Su]

Boyle buyuk bir lider onlarin ulkesinde yok, ondan kiskaniyorlar, Ataturk'un basarisindan bir pay almaya calisiyorlar :laugh:

[Drawing-slim]

Why does it matter so much ? he will always be remembered with his Turkish identity and patriotism. How many people are aware of Napoleon's Italian origins, or Steve Job's Syrian origins ? those people are associated with the nations they were born in and served.

Napoleon was albanian, this much should be known:D i heard or came across a story that he actually is genetically albanian or somthing..

Steve jobs is was armanian. If anyone has an i-phone just go to maps and type home, armania will pop up. So thats where he claims to be from anyway

[Kemalisté]

Napoleon was albanian, this much should be known:D i heard or came across a story that he actually is genetically albanian or somthing..

Steve jobs is was armanian. If anyone has an i-phone just go to maps and type home, armania will pop up. So thats where he claims to be from anyway

My point was different though. Anyway, go ahead. But know that you really sound like you have an inferiority complex.

[Drawing-slim]

My point was different though. Anyway, go ahead. But know that you really sound like you have an inferiority complex.
Oh comon man, thats the most overused words by people who actually do feel inferior.
Nothing i've said here so is such nonsense.
I got your point long time ago. jesus lord in heaven:roll eyes

[Kemalisté]

Oh comon man, thats the most overused words by people who actually do feel inferior.
Nothing i've said here so is such nonsense.
I got your point long time ago. jesus lord in heaven:roll eyes

I don't have an inferiority complex cause I don't try to introduce people who have nothing to do with my nation as ours.

[Kemalisté]

Ataturk portrait with 2400 human bodies :) it was in Izmir, so proud of this city, the biggest guardian of the Republic and Ataturk's principles!

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[Partizan]

I was in Dolmabahçe parade, we walked from Beşiktaş to Şişli and it was simply awesome.

[agality]

Ataturk portrait with 2400 human bodies :) it was in Izmir, so proud of this city, the biggest guardian of the Republic and Ataturk's principles!

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I was born and raised in Izmir and still occasionally visiting there. Although Turkey`s economy is booming, Izmir shows no progress.Instead of forming the face of Ataturk, if they had first finished the construction of subway system or made Izmir a more clean and liveable city, they would have paid their respects to Ataturk in a more sincerely way.

[Alenka]

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Wow this is amazing. :D

[MfA_]

I was born and raised in Izmir and still occasionally visiting there. Although Turkey`s economy is booming, Izmir shows no progress.Instead of forming the face of Ataturk, if they had first finished the construction of subway system or made Izmir a more clean and liveable city, they would have paid their respects to Ataturk in a more sincerely way.

That's because they refuse to obey fascist AKP, and they have not enough sponsors..

There is Erdoganidis' words ''Taraf olmayan bertaraf olur.''

[TheMagnificent]

That's because they refuse to obey fascist AKP, and they have not enough sponsors..

There is Erdoganidis' words ''Taraf olmayan bertaraf olur.''

Eskisehir is a CHP Metropolitan Municipality as well, but it still made some significant progress over the past 10 years or so.

[Kemalisté]

I was born and raised in Izmir and still occasionally visiting there. Although Turkey`s economy is booming, Izmir shows no progress.Instead of forming the face of Ataturk, if they had first finished the construction of subway system or made Izmir a more clean and liveable city, they would have paid their respects to Ataturk in a more sincerely way.

Izmir is currently the most liveable city in Turkey. I've recently moved here from Istanbul full of extreme traffic, lack of fresh air and I feel like I'm in heaven. Izmir is a metropolitan city, but it respects the beauties of nature. That's what makes it unique.

[agality]

That's because they refuse to obey fascist AKP, and they have not enough sponsors..

There is Erdoganidis' words ''Taraf olmayan bertaraf olur.''

I agree with what you say. But i think previous governments (CHP, MHP for example) did a huge mistake by turning Turkey to a more militarist state. ( Turkish Military is the guardian of the republic mentality). Also they all failed in governing the economy. So AKP came into power for a reaction to previous governments, and they are doing a better job than them i think. The only negative thing about AKP is their point of view about religion.

[agality]

That's because they refuse to obey fascist AKP, and they have not enough sponsors..

There is Erdoganidis' words ''Taraf olmayan bertaraf olur.''


Izmir is currently the most liveable city in Turkey. I've recently moved here from Istanbul full of extreme traffic, lack of fresh air and I feel like I'm in heaven. Izmir is a metropolitan city, but it respects the beauties of nature. That's what makes it unique.

Istanbul is full of traffic and lack of fresh air, i agree with you. What makes Izmir unique is it hasn't changed since 1980s. Since there is no multi-national corporations in Izmir, air is clean around the gulf. And this makes Izmir the third most populated village in Turkey.

[Kemalisté]

they are doing a better job than them

By selling anything national. We'll see when there is nothing to sell anymore.

[Kemalisté]

Istanbul is full of traffic and lack of fresh air, i agree with you. What makes Izmir unique is it hasn't changed since 1980s. Since there is no multi-national corporations in Izmir, air is clean around the gulf. And this makes Izmir the third most populated village in Turkey.

And there should not be multi-national companies at all. Izmir a village ? you are using the same rhetoric with the jerk conservatives.

[Loki]

My point was different though. Anyway, go ahead. But know that you really sound like you have an inferiority complex.

He was joking around, don't overreact.

On-topic: rest in peace Ataturk - he was a great man :)

[agality]

And there should not be multi-national companies at all. Izmir a village ? you are using the same rhetoric with the jerk conservatives.

I`m not conservative. So what you are suggesting that in this global world, keep everything national ? (Also this is the new Kemalist propaganda, they think that we are living in 1910s.) And yes Izmir is a village with around 3 million population. What makes Izmir different than Aydin (for example) it`s population and its port.

[Kemalisté]

I`m not conservative. So what you are suggesting that in this global world, keep everything national ? (Also this is the new Kemalist propaganda, they think that we are living in 1910s.) And yes Izmir is a village with around 3 million population. What makes Izmir different than Aydin (for example) it`s population and its port.

I didn't say you were, but you are using the same language with them. It's an AKP propaganda that Izmir is a village, but it's not. Lots of fun places, night clubs, discos and shopping centers. Drinking in the Karsiyaka coast with a sea view is priceless. Izmir still has a good subway system and they've recently finished it in spite of no government support unlike Istanbul or Ankara. Yes, there are deficiencies but you can use other transportations. You have prejudices and bias toward Izmir. It's normal that you don't like it because it does not suit some narrow-minded people who can never be satisfied.

[agality]

I didn't say you were, but you are using the same language with them. It's an AKP propaganda that Izmir is a village, but it's not. Lots of fun places, night clubs, discos and shopping centers. Drinking in the Karsiyaka coast with a sea view is priceless. Izmir still has a good subway system and they've recently finished it in spite of no government support unlike Istanbul or Ankara. Yes, there are deficiencies but you can use other transportations. You have prejudices and bias toward Izmir. It's normal that you don't like it because it does not suit some narrow-minded people who can never be satisfied.

I`m far away from Izmir, even Turkey now. But i paid Izmir a visit last summer. And these discos,bars, shopping centers (except some new ones in Balcova district) hasn`t changed a bit since 1980s. Visit some places around the world and i`m sure you would disgust Izmir`s situation then. You recently moved to Izmir and giving me lectures about my homeland. Live in Izmir as you like none of my business.

[Kemalisté]

I`m far away from Izmir, even Turkey now. But i paid Izmir a visit last summer. And these discos,bars, shopping centers (except some new ones in Balcova district) hasn`t changed a bit since 1980s. Visit some places around the world and i`m sure you would disgust Izmir`s situation then. You recently moved to Izmir and giving me lectures about my homeland. Live in Izmir as you like none of my business.

Maybe because we are not like some immoral capitalists who do not hesitate to destroy the places with historical importance for the sake of more money and better appearance.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Izmir people (one of them is my own mother ) no way want their city become like Istanbul ..Izmir is a slow city because Izmir people love enjoying life ,eating out ,walking by kordon not running amok from one place to another like in Istanbul...In that meaning yes they are consevative ,they want to preserve their lifestyle ,keep Izmir as a mediterennean city .
AKP wants to "buy" the city ,for them money and trade is most important thing in human life,they keep preaching about how Izmir look like a "cute baby with boogers "and beg for our votes .That annoys Izmir people .

...Because with AKP these people also come..
(They are self assigned moral police in weird outfit appeared these days bugging people )

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We are not selling our city..

[agality]

Maybe because we are not like some immoral capitalists who do not hesitate to destroy the places with historical importance for the sake of more money and better appearance.

You are right, restoration of `Haydarpasa Gari` was a very bad decision. But one cannot find many places like that in Izmir`s city center and no one has harmed them. I had friends like you when i was still living in Izmir. Moving to Izmir from another city, and roleplaying the guardian of the republic and Ataturk (he was a great man RIP by the way). But in their homecity most of them were not acting like that. I think Izmir has a special aura about people who have repressed feelings.

[agality]

Izmir people (one of them is my own mother ) no way want their city become like Istanbul ..Izmir is a slow city because Izmir people love enjoying life ,eating out ,walking by kordon not running amok from one place to another like in Istanbul...In that meaning yes they are consevative ,they want to preserve their lifestyle ,keep Izmir as a mediterennean city .
AKP wants to "buy" the city ,for them money and trade is most important thing in human life,they keep preaching about how Izmir look like a "cute baby with boogers "and beg for our votes .That annoys Izmir people .

...Because with AKP these people also come..
(They are self assigned moral police in weird outfit appeared these days bugging people )

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We are not selling our city..

I think this post sums up the situation of Izmir very well.

[Su]

Sorry i don`t know you, but are you one of those Turk hater Hellenic trolls?

Yes, he's a bored greek who likes trolling Turks.

[agality]

Since his posts are deleted, i`m editing my post.

[Su]

^He's a sad case, he hates us, but always stalks our threads :lol:

I guess, he can't live without us.

[Kemalisté]

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A picture above the desk
His eyes are blue from the seas
His glances are hotter than the suns
Our day starts with his picture
Our heart is filled with pride and it overflowes
Our teacher at the desk
Ataturk's picture listens
To the lesson our teacher gives
Together with us
We are hardworking because
When we study
We look at him, he smiles
But when we make a mistake
His eyes get cloudy
We understand that he gets sad

I remember I read this poem in the primary school when I was a child. :)

[Turkophagos]

A picture above the desk
His eyes are blue from the seas
His glances are hotter than the suns
Our day starts with his picture
Our heart is filled with pride and it overflowes
Our teacher at the desk
Ataturk's picture listens
To the lesson our teacher gives
Together with us
We are hardworking because
When we study
We look at him, he smiles
But when we make a mistake
His eyes get cloudy
We understand that he gets sad


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[Sultan Suleiman]

Sorry to break your pride but I'm afraid he is not. He is a Yörük Türkmen and there is a strong possibility that he was Alevi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yörük

Yup, blonde blue eyed Turkomans are everyday occurrence amongst those tribes. :rolleyes:

[Aura]

To me it look like turks are more proud of Ataturk and his republic other than historical ottoman turkey.

[Azalea]

Yup, blonde blue eyed Turkomans are everyday occurrence amongst those tribes. :rolleyes:

Here you can see what Ataturk's kind looks like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s9OnxVZPqmA

And here are the ones in Turkey:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=211

[Kemalisté]

Yup, blonde blue eyed Turkomans are everyday occurrence amongst those tribes. :rolleyes:

You really have no knowledge about them do you ? a significant part of the members of Sarikecili tribe of Yörüks are blonde and blue eyed just like Kipchaks or Cumans.

Yörüks are separated into two groups as Karakeçili and Sarikecili, Karakecili literally means Dark goat and Sarikecili literally means Yellow/Blonde goat, I think you get the message ;)

[Kemalisté]

To me it look like turks are more proud of Ataturk and his republic other than historical ottoman turkey.

Most blends them. Conservatives are proud of Ottomans as well, while Kemalists, leftists and us Alevis dislike them, so it depends on the political and religious view of a person.

[Sultan Suleiman]

In our history books he is an Albanian.

[Kemalisté]

In our history books he is an Albanian.

Oh, what a credible source.

[Azalea]

In our history books he is an Albanian.

If a journalist who's opinion is based on ehm, nothing, is history in Bosnia, then I guess so.

But in actual history, he was a Turk.

[Turkophagos]

In our history books he is an Albanian.

In our history books he is a mass murderer.

[Azalea]

You really have no knowledge about them do you ? a significant part of the members of Sarikecili tribe of Yörüks are blonde and blue eyed just like Kipchaks or Cumans.

Yörüks are separated into two groups as Karakeçili and Sarikecili, Karakecili literally means Dark goat and Sarikecili literally means Yellow/Blonde goat, I think you get the message ;)

How stupid can you be? Those names have nothing to do with peoples, the names apply to their goats only. So just because their goats were fair, it doesn't have to mean the people were also. :bored:

[Kemalisté]

In our history books he is a mass murderer.

In my history book you were born in a brothel.

[Kemalisté]

How stupid can you be? Those names have nothing to do with peoples, the names apply to their goats only. So just because their goats were fair, it doesn't have to mean the people were also. :bored:

But there are blonde and blue-eyed people among them unlike other Yörüks.

[TheMagnificent]

In our history books he is a mass murderer.

Yes, he definitely drove back the Greek armies en masse in sea.

[Azalea]

But there are blonde and blue-eyed people among them unlike other Yörüks.

There are blond-blue eyed people among all Turks. If one group happens to have a higher rate of fair skinned/haired people, then it's due geographical region mostly but not because of the colour of their goats. :picard2:

[Kemalisté]

There are blond-blue eyed people among all Turks. If one group happens to have a higher rate of fair skinned/haired people, then it's due geographical region mostly but not because of the colour of their goats. :picard2:

What if that was a metaphorical expression ?

[Azalea]

It's not.

[Kemalisté]

It's not.

Are you Sarikecili ? how can you be so sure ? and why so nervous ? did someone twist your tail or something ?

[Aura]

If a journalist who's opinion is based on ehm, nothing, is history in Bosnia, then I guess so.

But in actual history, he was a Turk.
what you mean by 'turk'?! for me is very confusing bcs the real turks had non european orgin and they assimilated other people, so Turkey doesnt have homogeneous ethnicity!
It's been said among albanians too that he is albanian, anyway he may have albanian origin but this is not very important since he was turkish nationalist.
As I remember Sami Frasheri is famous in turkish history and he did a lot about Turkey but also he has very important role in albanian histroy and the most important he was albanian nationalist.

[TheMagnificent]

What if that was a metaphorical expression ?

It's not unfamiliar to Turks to name themselves after their animals, I guess: Akkoyunlular, Karakoyunlular...

[Kemalisté]

what you mean by 'turk'?! for me is very confusing bcs the real turks had non european orgin and they assimilated other people, so Turkey doesnt have homogeneous ethnicity!
It's been said among albanians too that he is albanian, anyway he may have albanian origin but this is not very important since he was turkish nationalist.
As I remember Sami Frasheri is famous in turkish history and he did a lot about Turkey but also he has very important role in albanian histroy and the most important he was albanian nationalist.

I just want people to get their facts straight, otherwise Ataturk's ethnicity is not important for me. He could be a Jew as stupid fundemantalists claim, I don't care. But when you claim, you need to show something supporting it. They say '' He is an Albanian '' but gives no source or any respectable evidence, that's what bothers me.

Being blonde with blue eyes are not really proof since it's known that there are Cumans, Kipchaks and some Yörük groups with those features. Some Albanians are so ethno-centrists that they try to show famous figures who have nothing to do with them as their own, maybe because they do not have much things to be proud of, we should understand them.

[Azalea]

what you mean by 'turk'?! for me is very confusing bcs the real turks had non european orgin and they assimilated other people, so Turkey doesnt have homogeneous ethnicity!

Wow, that's like..how all other ethnicities in the whole world were formed!!!11


It's been said among albanians too that he is albanian, anyway he may have albanian origin but this is not very important since he was turkish nationalist.
As I remember Sami Frasheri is famous in turkish history and he did a lot about Turkey but also he has very important role in albanian histroy and the most important he was albanian nationalist.

Ok cool story.

[Azalea]

Are you Sarikecili ? how can you be so sure ? and why so nervous ? did someone twist your tail or something ?

No, I'm Varsak.

And I know because it was a common thing for Turks to name tribes after their livestock: Karakoyunlu, Akkoyunlu etc.

[Anatolian Eagle]

To me it look like turks are more proud of Ataturk and his republic other than historical ottoman turkey.

Exactly Aura :thumb001:

[Aura]

Wow, that's like..how all other ethnicities in the whole world were formed!!!11
lolz this is hilarious imagination
Europeans may have mixed with each-other and that's normal, but mongolid and europens was not normal and usual!

[Anatolian Eagle]

As I remember Sami Frasheri is famous in turkish history and he did a lot about Turkey but also he has very important role in albanian histroy and the most important he was albanian nationalist.

Yes indeed. Also his son Ali Sami Frashëri founded my favorite club, Galatasaray, big respects to him. :thumb001:

[Kemalisté]

lolz this is hilarious imagination
Europeans may have mixed with each-other and that's normal, but mongolid and europens was not normal!

Do you also consider Finns, Hungarians and Estonians as European with that mentality then ?

[Azalea]

lolz this is hilarious imagination
Europeans may have mixed with each-other and that's normal, but mongolid and europens was not normal!

Oh yeah so hilarious. :rolleyes:

Caucasoid peoples mixing with Mongoloids and vice versa is a happening that's being going on for thousands of years now. Go figure.

[Aura]

Do you also consider Finns, Hungarians and Estonians as European with that mentality then ?

Finns excluded, hungarians are dominantly europeans, don't know about Estonians, also not so much info about turkish majority.

[Kemalisté]

We shouldn't have let this topic going into an ethnic racial discussion in the first place... I call the mod for duty, the posts can be moved into another topic. Show some respect to Ataturk's heritage!

[Kemalisté]

Finns excluded, hungarians are dominantly europeans, don't know about Estonians, also not so much info about turkish majority.

Hungarians are the descendants of Huns coming from Central Asia. Finns and Estonians originally came from Siberia, probably related to Mongoloid group.

[Su]

We shouldn't have let this topic going into an ethnic racial discussion in the first place... I call the mod for duty, show some respect to Ataturk's heritage!

Fair point.

My suggestions:

+ Everyone should stop Off Topics or I will delete all of them.

+ Anyone who wants to own Ataturk's heritage since he was a very successful Leader and you guys believe your country doesn't have enough leaders and you somehow need to see some connections with him, feel free and open up a thread about Ataturk's heritage with your sources and discuss it there.

[Aura]

Ok guys all I can say is that you were really lucky having Ataturk!

[Su]

You guys can carry on the discussion in the following link, while I am clearing here the OT's up in fact move to the other thread as per OP's wishes:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62211