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Su
11-11-2012, 12:31 AM
I can speak just Istanbul Turkish and I like it, but I sometimes like Blacksea regions as well as Central Anatolian and Azerbaijani dialects as well.

Please post the dialects you find nice, interesting, funny or horrible :D

Anyway an example for Istanbul Turkish or fine Turkish or whatever you call it:

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Onur
11-11-2012, 01:48 AM
Hardcore Aegean accent;

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It`s so funny :D

Ayazid
11-11-2012, 04:34 PM
I don't really know how to distinguish Turkish dialects from Standard Turkish, besides the fact that some Eastern Anatolian ones use guttural sounds, which have been lost apparently in Istanbul dialect, like q or kh, which makes them sound similar to Azeri Turkish.

Su
11-11-2012, 04:52 PM
I don't really know how to distinguish Turkish dialects from Standard Turkish, besides the fact that some Eastern Anatolian ones use guttural sounds, which have been lost apparently in Istanbul dialect, like q or kh, which makes them sound similar to Azeri Turkish.

It's extremely distinguishable if you hear things a few times, just test yourself it's just 45 seconds:

The woman speaks in standard Turkish while he speaks with Urfa dialect (South Eastern Turkey) listen both of them and check whether you see a difference?

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Su
11-11-2012, 05:03 PM
This time I am not too sure which regional dialect, maybe Central Anatolia? Not too sure, anyway again the first woman (do woman who's asking questions but you can't see her) speaks standard Turkish and the old lady with headscarf speaks with a regional dialect.

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Do you hear a difference?

east
11-11-2012, 07:26 PM
Do you mean the dialects spoken out of Turkey ? Only in Bulgaria we have at least 10 different dialects of Turkish language. I think there are dialects also in Greece, FYRM, Albania, Romania, Hungary etc.

Su
11-11-2012, 08:21 PM
Do you mean the dialects spoken out of Turkey ? Only in Bulgaria we have at least 10 different dialects of Turkish language. I think there are dialects also in Greece, FYRM, Albania, Romania, Hungary etc.

Within as well as out side of Turkey :)

Anglojew
11-12-2012, 11:09 AM
I have to say Turkish is a nice sounding language. Could you post a map of the different dialects and explain the differences?

Su
11-12-2012, 11:18 AM
I have to say Turkish is a nice sounding language. Could you post a map of the different dialects and explain the differences?

I am not too sure how to find a map but as an example listen the nr 4: You will hear an obvious difference, the guy speaks Turkish with a heavy Middle Eastern accent while the reporter (the girl) speaks Turkish normal without any Middle Eastern accent. She speaks standard Turkish.

Cannabis Sativa
11-12-2012, 12:58 PM
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Ayazid
11-12-2012, 06:31 PM
This time I am not too sure which regional dialect, maybe Central Anatolia? Not too sure, anyway again the first woman (do woman who's asking questions but you can't see her) speaks standard Turkish and the old lady with headscarf speaks with a regional dialect.

Do you hear a difference?

Well, yes, but not really in terms of prosody or accent, but because of those throaty q and kh sounds, as I wrote before. To me, even Azeri has basically the same accent as Turkish.

Which Turkish dialect sounds most similar to Turkmen?

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Onur
11-12-2012, 06:44 PM
Well, yes, but not really in terms of prosody or accent, but because of those throaty q and kh sounds, as I wrote before. To me, even Azeri has basically the same accent as Turkish.

Which Turkish dialect sounds most similar to Turkmen?
Most (if not all) Turkic languages have no pungent sounds like guttural voices unlike Arabic or French. We neither have teeth, frontal lip sounds like R of Spanish. We use the middle sounds from our tongue while speaking Turkic languages like standard English speakers.

So Turkmen speech is similar to standard Turkish dialect in terms of producing sounds.

TheMagnificent
11-13-2012, 12:20 PM
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Ayazid
11-13-2012, 12:34 PM
Most (if not all) Turkic languages have no pungent sounds like guttural voices unlike Arabic or French. We neither have teeth, frontal lip sounds like R of Spanish. We use the middle sounds from our tongue while speaking Turkic languages like standard English speakers.

So Turkmen speech is similar to standard Turkish dialect in terms of producing sounds.

Actually, they do. Several Turkic languages have the typical Arabic [q] sound (voiceless uvular stop) and also the throaty fricatives [x] and [ʁ], so they do sound kind of guttural, especially in comparison with Standard Turkish, which sounds softer.

For example, Uygur as spoken in this video sounds rather harsh:

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As for the teeth sounds, Turkmens pronounce the Turkish [s],[z] like interdental [θ],[ğ], which makes the language quite distinct sounding.

Su
11-13-2012, 01:30 PM
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Cok tatli :love:

Onur
11-13-2012, 03:38 PM
Actually, they do. Several Turkic languages have the typical Arabic [q] sound (voiceless uvular stop) and also the throaty fricatives [x] and [ʁ], so they do sound kind of guttural, especially in comparison with Standard Turkish, which sounds softer.

For example, Uygur as spoken in this video sounds rather harsh:

As for the teeth sounds, Turkmens pronounce the Turkish [s],[z] like interdental [θ],[ğ], which makes the language quite distinct sounding.
Yes, you found one of the few Turkic languages who has guttural and pungent voices, which is Uygur but it`s quite distant to our Oghuz tongue. I don't have much information about how Uyghurs adopted those guttural voices, so i cant say much about it but i can say that there is no such things in Oghuz tongues. Oghus ones are generally soft sounding without any pungent sounds.

If an Oghuz speaker uses too much guttural sounds than i get suspected if Turkic is not his mothertongue or if they are living (or lived in the past) in a mixed society with foreign language (like Arabic or Kurdish) speakers. As i know mixed Turkish&Kurdish people speaks Turkish as such.

Ayazid
11-13-2012, 04:08 PM
Yes, you found one of the few Turkic languages who has guttural and pungent voices, which is Uygur but it`s quite distant to our Oghuz tongue. I don't have much information about how Uyghurs adopted those guttural voices, so i cant say much about it but i can say that there is no such things in Oghuz tongues. Oghus ones are generally soft sounding without any pungent sounds.

If an Oghuz speaker uses too much guttural sounds than i get suspected if Turkic is not his mothertongue or if they are living (or lived in the past) in a mixed society with foreign language (like Arabic or Kurdish) speakers. As i know mixed Turkish&Kurdish people speaks Turkish as such.

Wait, but the same guttural sounds exist in Azeri too. Perhaps it's rather Standard Turkish which lost them.

Even this Central Asian looking farmer from Konya seems to use them:

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Onur
11-13-2012, 06:20 PM
Wait, but the same guttural sounds exist in Azeri too. Perhaps it's rather Standard Turkish which lost them.

Even this Central Asian looking farmer from Konya seems to use them:
C`mon, it`s quite soft again comparing with the Arabic or French guttural sounds. I am not sure whats the criteria but i don't consider this as deeply guttural voice.

Btw Ayazid, you continue to surprise me. Are you browsing Turkish videos in youtube? Whats the reason of your particular interest? Why dont you try to learn Turkish instead of browsing these without understanding a word of it?

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-13-2012, 06:38 PM
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Siberian Cold Breeze
11-13-2012, 06:52 PM
Dayat Kıpçak Dialect from Altay

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Kyrgyz Dialect

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Ayazid
11-14-2012, 08:26 AM
C`mon, it`s quite soft again comparing with the Arabic or French guttural sounds. I am not sure whats the criteria but i don't consider this as deeply guttural voice.

Perhaps they are not pronounced that emphatically, but they are variants of the same guttural sounds, which are also found in several other Turkic languages, so I think that if Standard Turkish doesn't posses them it seems more likely that it lost them in the past rather than that they are taken from other languages.


Btw Ayazid, you continue to surprise me. Are you browsing Turkish videos in youtube? Whats the reason of your particular interest? Why dont you try to learn Turkish instead of browsing these without understanding a word of it?

Turkey and the Middle East is an interesting region. Maybe I will learn it one day, but for now I am already struggling with Arabic, so when I am done with it I will definitely go for Turkish. ;)

Anyway, I don't think that it's necessary to understand the videos when the discussion concerns only the phonological aspect.

Su
11-14-2012, 08:54 AM
Perhaps they are not pronounced that emphatically, but they are variants of the same guttural sounds, which are also found in several other Turkic languages, so I think that if Standard Turkish doesn't posses them it seems more likely that it lost them in the past rather than that they are taken from other languages.



Turkey and the Middle East is an interesting region. Maybe I will learn it one day, but for now I am already struggling with Arabic, so when I am done with it I will definitely go for Turkish. ;)

Anyway, I don't think that it's necessary to understand the videos when the discussion concerns only the phonological aspect.

Why are you so interested in Turkey and Middle East ? Are you studying it at university or a personal interest or do you have a Turkish or Middle Eastern girl friend, which I highly doubt :laugh: ?

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-14-2012, 12:52 PM
He was in you tube already long ago he joined to TA you can find this guy under every Turkic Altaic Videos mostly for trolling..

Su
11-14-2012, 03:09 PM
He was in you tube already long ago he joined to TA you can find this guy under every Turkic Altaic Videos mostly for trolling..

Examples, just copy and paste :laugh:

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-14-2012, 03:26 PM
He is not worthy of my time I m already fed up with those self made experts already. He needs to get a life .

Su
11-14-2012, 03:30 PM
He is not worthy of my time I m already fed up with those self made experts already. He needs to get a life .

Is his nick name there Ayazid ?

Ayazid
11-14-2012, 03:44 PM
Why are you so interested in Turkey and Middle East ? Are you studying it at university or a personal interest or do you have a Turkish or Middle Eastern girl friend, which I highly doubt :laugh: ?

Just out of personal interest. Let's not derail this thread with personal off-topic talks. You can PM me. ;)

Ayazid
11-14-2012, 03:47 PM
He was in you tube already long ago he joined to TA you can find this guy under every Turkic Altaic Videos mostly for trolling..

If a simple disagreement with your opinions makes one a "troll", then I am fine with you calling me this way. :p

Ayazid
11-14-2012, 07:50 PM
Dayat Kıpçak Dialect from Altay

Kyrgyz Dialect


Fine, but these two are dialects of Altay and Kyrgyz, two independent Turkic languages. Icelandic is not a dialect of English just because they are both Germanic languages.

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-15-2012, 10:04 AM
Write your precious opinions to Ankara University Turkic Languages and Dialects Section .

Ayazid
11-15-2012, 04:19 PM
So Kyrgyz and Turkish being 2 different languages is just my opinion? I expected that you would say something like that :D:picard1:

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-16-2012, 10:25 AM
Language is not politics .
You need to prove your claims with strong scientific (linguistic ) evidences .
It 's not like "Let's throw a troll claim and sit back enjoy while they try to prove contrary "

A few vocal change won't make an independent language ..

For example in Turkey Turkish of Oguz Dialect there are two plural suffix -lar -ler

In Kırgız of Kıpçak Dialect ,it becomes 16
-lar -ler -lor -lör -nar -ner -nor -nör -tar -ter -tor -tör -dar -der -dor -dör
It takes a person who speaks an Oguz dialect, a few weeks to understand Kırgız because of certain consonant and vocal changes



Kırgızca Altay dilleri'nin Türk Lehçeleri'ne bağlı Kıpçak grubuna ait bir lehçedir. Kazak Türkçesi ile yakın özellikler gösteren dil yaklaşık 4 milyon kişi tarafından konuşulmakta olup, Kırgızistan'ın resmi dilidir.

Özellikleri: sözcük başı y'ler c'ye dönüşmüştür; yol>col yıldız>cıldız...,
Eklerde de değişme olur, yuvarlak ünlüler kendinden sonraki ünlüleri etkiler: bölmö:bölme, köpölöklördön (kelebeklerden),
bazı b ile başlayan kelimeler m olabilir:boyun>moyun, bun (sıkıntı)>muŋ (ŋ:nazal n, ng sesi verir.)

Kırgızca'da şimdi zaman çeşitliliği de görülür. -a / -e, -y ekiyle kurulan şimdiki zamandır. (Cönököy uçur çak \ Basit şimdiki zaman)
kaç-a-mın "kaçıyorum"
kaç-a-sın "kaçıyorsun"
kaç-a-sız "kaçıyursın"
al kaç-a-t "kaçıyor"
kaç-a-bız "kaçıyoruz"
kaç-a-sınar "kaçıyorsunuz"
kaç-a-sızdır "kaçıyorsunuz"
alar kaç-a-t "kaçıyorlar"
Tataal uçar çak (Birleşik şimdiki zaman) Yat-, yür-, tur-, otur- fiilleriyle kurulan şimdiki zamana Kırgız Türkçesi'nde birleşik şimdiki zaman denir.
Men işte-p cür-ö-m "Ben çalışıyorum"

Kırgız Türkçesinde sekiz ünlü vardır. Bu ünlüler Türkiye Türkçesindeki ünlülerle aynıdır: “a, e, ı, i, o, ö, u, ü”.

“e” sesi kelime başında “Э э” işaretiyle; kelime içinde ise “e” işaretiyle gösterilir. Bu ünlülerin dışında Kırgız Türkçesinde bir de y ünsüzü ile birlikte kullanılan ünlüler vardır: Ё ё = yo.

Kırgız Türkçesinin tipik özelliği uzun ünlüler, diftong bulundurmasıdır. Yukarıdaki sekiz ünlüye ek olarak, altı da uzun ünlü vardır: aa, ee, oo, öö, uu, üü.

Kırgız Türkçesinde yirmi ünsüz vardır: “b, c, ç, d, f, g, x, k, l, m, n, ñ, p, r, s, ş, t, v, y, z”
Bugünkü Kırgız alfabesinde, ince ünlülerle kullanılan g ile kalın ünlülerle kullanılan ğ, aynı harfle gösterilir. Ancak Kırgız Türkçesindeki g sesi Türkiye Türkçesindekinden daha belirgin ve telâffuz yeri gırtlağa yakındır. Kırgız Türkçesinde, Türkiye Türkçesinden farklı olarak hırıltılı gırtlak sesi x ve damak sesi ñ vardır. Türkiye Türkçesindeki gırtlak sesi h ise Kırgız Türkçesinde yoktur.

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-16-2012, 10:48 AM
AHAHAAA Kacan çıkasın ? :D

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Ayazid
11-16-2012, 03:33 PM
Language is not politics .
You need to prove your claims with strong scientific (linguistic ) evidences .
It 's not like "Let's throw a troll claim and sit back enjoy while they try to prove contrary "

So, saying that Kyrgyz and Turkish are 2 clearly distinct Turkic languages is a "troll claim"? Oh, please ... :rolleyes:

Could you explain then why there are countless academic publications and websites dealing explicitely with Turkic languages and not just dialects of one pan-Turkish language?

A few examples out of many:

http://www.amazon.com/Turkic-Languages-Routledge-Language-Family/dp/0415412617

http://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Turkic-Languages-Kurtulus-Oztopcu/dp/0415141982

http://books.google.cz/books/about/The_Turkic_Languages.html?id=U1009DRu_vMC&redir_esc=y

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/609955/Turkic-languages

http://www.umich.edu/~turkish/langres_turkic.html

http://turkic-languages.scienceontheweb.net/

Perhaps their authors are just trolling too? :picard1:


A few vocal change won't make an independent language ..

For example in Turkey Turkish of Oguz Dialect there are two plural suffix -lar -ler

In Kırgız of Kıpçak Dialect ,it becomes 16
-lar -ler -lor -lör -nar -ner -nor -nör -tar -ter -tor -tör -dar -der -dor -dör
It takes a person who speaks an Oguz dialect, a few weeks to understand Kırgız because of certain consonant and vocal changes


So, you are saying that all what makes Kyrgyz and Turkish different are just a few "vocal changes"?

First, these 2 languages belong to 2 clearly distinct sub-groups inside of the Turkic family, Kypchak and Oghuz, which diverged at least 1500 years ago, if not more:

http://turkic-languages.scienceontheweb.net/turkic_languages_dendrogram_6.gif

http://turkic-languages.scienceontheweb.net/geographical_dendrogram_of_turkic_languages.gif

After their separation, these languages have been hardly in any contact. Western Oghuz came into contact with Persian, Arabic, Armenian, Greek and other languages and Kyrgyz was influenced by Mongolian, Chaghataic and in a lesser degree by Arabic, Persian and Russian. In other words, they have built their vocabulary completely independently, with the only common thing being the Arabo-Persian lexical layer and ancient Turkic basic vocabulary

But even in the most basic vocabulary, there are several differences:

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http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/476/turkiclexicon.jpg

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/5482/oghuzandnonoghuzlexical.jpg

As for your grammar examples, they show that Turkic languages mostly share a similar structure, but suffixes used to express the same grammatical cathegory might be quite different, which doesn't exactly help to enhance any mutual intelligibility.

Anyway, the distinction between a language and dialect might be unclear, but that's hardly the case for languages which have been evolving separately for some 1500 years. One could argue that languages inside of a specific subgroup, like for example Western Oghuz or Uzbek/Uyghur are in fact dialects, because of their great similarity and intelligibility, but even that would be questionable, given that they have noticeably different standards.

BTW, what I am saying doesn't aply only to Turkic languages. Russian and Czech are not dialects of the same language, just because of their common Slavic roots and considerable lexical and grammatical similarities.

Yalquzaq
11-16-2012, 04:10 PM
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/5482/oghuzandnonoghuzlexical.jpg



Tişle, it, eşik, tap, yaqşı, özge, qayt, ut are commonly used in Azerbaijani Turkish. These are actually non-Oghuz? Thats new to me.

Ayazid
11-16-2012, 04:17 PM
It's on the page 119-20 of the Routledge Turkic languages book. Perhaps they are results of contacts between Oghuz and non-Oghuz languages or just mistakes on the part of the author.

BTW, what do you think? Are Turkic languages just dialects which can be understood after "adjusting ear" or separate languages?

Yalquzaq
11-16-2012, 04:22 PM
Well, different branches are different languagues in my opinion. Maybe one can say that Anatolian Turkish and Azerbaijani Turkish are different dialects of same language, but I honestly do not think that a Oghuz dialect can be considered as same as lets say Qazaq. But it still would be much closer to each other than lets say Dutch and English that are two Germanic languagues, so that example is also not correct.

Ayazid
11-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Yes, I think that the position of English among Germanic languages is more akin to the position of Yakut within the Turkic family. It's a bit too isolated, even if it is still unmistakeably Germanic. I think that the relation between Turkish and, e.g., Kyrgyz is more like the one between Czech and Russian, but I would still need to learn the language in order to understand it really well and not just grasp the gist of what is being said.

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Some of your links lead to published books and others prove me right because I already told these are main group of dialects of Turkic language family .
Verbal borrowings do not make a seperate language.

Oguz and Non Oguz verbal differences are not that sharp: some of words you posted as an example exist in our speech too,except a few
..and esik =/=kapı are not same things



The term dialect (from the ancient Greek word Διάλεκτος diálektos, "discourse", from διά diá, "through" + λέγω legō, "I speak") is used in two distinct ways, even by linguists


There is no universally accepted criterion for distinguishing a language from a dialect. A number of rough measures exist, sometimes leading to contradictory results. Some linguists do not differentiate between languages and dialects, i.e. languages are dialects and vice versa.

The distinction is therefore subjective and depends on the user's frame of reference. Note also that the terms are not always treated as mutually exclusive.
The status of language is not solely determined by linguistic criteria, but it is also the result of a historical and political development.

Romansh came to be a written language, and therefore it is recognized as a language, even though it is very close to the Lombardic alpine dialects.

An opposite example is the case of Chinese, whose variations such as Mandarin and Cantonese are often called dialects and not languages, despite their mutual unintelligibility, because the word for them in Mandarin, 方言 fāngyán, was mistranslated as "dialect" because it meant "regional speech"


So your claims again ,once more lead to a political agenda = waste of time

If you need academic help you can ask:

Fatih Üniversity :Modern Turkic Dialects and Literatures ( Thesis ) ( Türkçe )
http://sbe.fatih.edu.tr/?program,130&
language=EN (http://sbe.fatih.edu.tr/?program,130&language=EN)

Ankara Üniversitesi Dil ve Tarih - Coğrafya Fakültesi
Çağdaş Türk Lehçeleri ve Edebiyatları bölümü Ühttp://turklehceleri.humanity.ankara.edu.tr/

ÇUKUROVA ÜNİVERSİTESİ TÜRKOLOJİ ARAŞTIRMALARI MERKEZİ
ÇAĞDAŞ TÜRK LEHÇELERİ ARAŞTIRMALARI
http://turkoloji.cu.edu.tr/CAGDAS%20TURK%20LEHCELERI/cagdas_turk_leh_ana.php

Ayazid
11-16-2012, 06:01 PM
Some of your links lead to published books and others prove me right because I already told main these are main group of dialects of Turkic language .
Verbal borrowings do not make a seperate language.

Oguz and Non Oguz verbal differences are not that sharp: some of words you posted as an example exist in our speech too,except a few
..and esik =/=kapı are not same things

Which links from those which I posted prove you right? All of them clearly refer to Turkic languages and Turkic language family, not Turkish dialects or dialects of Turkish language. As you can see, all of them deal with Turkic languages as distinct and meticulously describe their differences.

Turkic languages are not considered to be dialects of one language anymore than Slavic and Germanic languages are seen as dialects of one Slavic and Germanic one. They are no special case and lexical borrowings definitely do contribute to linguistic variations. There is obviously a great similarity between the basic vocabulary of most Turkic languages, but that's not something exclusive for them. Let's have a look on the most common words in Germanic languages:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Swadesh_lists_for_Germanic_languages

Most of them are very similar. Does that mean that, e.g., Swedes and Germans can understand each other well after figuring out a few phonetic differences? No, because the rest of their lexical stock is very different, which makes sense for languages which have been evolving separately for some 1500 years (just like Turkish and Kyrgyz).


So your claims again ,once more leads to a political agenda = waste of time. if you need academic help you can ask:

So I have a political agenda? And which one exactly? Anti-Turkism? :D I suppose that the same thing goes for the authors of all those publications and websites which I posted above. :picard1:

The distinction between dialects and languages might be arbitrary and hard to determine (Is Bavarian a German dialect or a separate language?), but it's not useless at all. Kyrgyz and Turkish are 2 largely unintelligible language varieties with established literary standards, which have been separated for hundreds of years, both geographically and culturally. Referring to them as mere dialects which are mutually intelligible after a short adaptation is a serious underestimation of their differences and I suspect that it's precisely you and those Turks who refer to them this way, who has a clear political-ideological agenda.

It's quite telling that most foreign linguists have apparently no problem in classificating Turkic languages as distinct, but some Turkish authors and institutions think otherwise and label them as "dialects". It probably doesn't have any relation to Turkish ethnic nationalism (integrated into the Republican Kemalist ideology) with its pan-Turkic undertones and sentiments. :rolleyes:

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-16-2012, 06:16 PM
That's why I told it's a waste of time .We can argue about it till hell freeze but it would be still fruitless, that's the main reason you bring that language-dialect contradiction in the first place,because it is a good way to troll a nice thread .
This was your answer:

The distinction is therefore subjective and depends on the user's frame of reference. Note also that the terms are not always treated as mutually exclusive.
The status of language is not solely determined by linguistic criteria, but it is also the result of a historical and political development.

Ayazid
11-16-2012, 06:40 PM
That's why I told it's a waste of time .We can argue about it till hell freeze but it would be still fruitless, that's the main reason you bring that language-dialect contradiction in the first place,because it is a good way to troll a nice thread.

There is nothing bad about a debate, as long as it is kept civile and with rational arguments. Unfortunately, that seems impossible with you, since when you run out of arguments, you just prefer childish name calling, which is always the easiest option, especially with unknown people on the net. Very mature and brave behaviour! :thumb001:

Anyway, this thread is about Turkish dialects, or let's say Western Oghuz dialects. You posted some Altaic and Kyrgyz videos and I replied. If you can't stand rational argumentation and people disagreeing with you, then it's only your problem. ;)


This was your answer:

The status of language is not solely determined by linguistic criteria, but it is also the result of a historical and political development.

Which again supports the point I made, because Turkish and Kyrgyz have different literary standards, which developed independently, just as the communities of their speakers.

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-16-2012, 06:55 PM
This thread is about all Turkic dialects ,and there are a lot better ways to debating ,on whether they are dialects or seperate languages with a determined troll who doesn't know a word of Turkish .

Nothing supports you .You will stick to your opinions , I will stick to my opinions ,we will bring our references , we will argue for pages and with no conclusion about something so subjective =total waste of time as I told before..



Romansh came to be a written language, and therefore it is recognized as a language, even though it is very close to the Lombardic alpine dialects.

An opposite example is the case of Chinese, whose variations such as Mandarin and Cantonese are often called dialects and not languages, [B]despite their mutual unintelligibility, because the word for them in Mandarin, 方言 fāngyán, was mistranslated as "dialect" because it meant "regional speech"

When politics involve whole concept becomes vague and arbitrary


Modern Nationalism, as developed especially since the French Revolution, has made the distinction between "language" and "dialect" an issue of great political importance. A group speaking a separate "language" is often seen as having a greater claim to being a separate "people", and thus to be more deserving of its own independent state, while a group speaking a "dialect" tends to be seen not as "a people" in its own right, but as a sub-group, part of a bigger people, which must content itself with regional autonomy. The distinction between language and dialect is thus inevitably made at least as much on a political basis as on a linguistic one, and can lead to great political controversy, or even armed conflict.

That is the main reason of your interest ..Try learn some Turkish or any of Turkic dialects first..if you can..

Ayazid
11-16-2012, 07:31 PM
This thread is about Turkic dialects and there are a lot better ways to debate about that than arguing with a determined troll who doesn't know Turkish ,on whether they are dialects or seperate languages .

It started as a thread about Anatolian and Azeri Turkish dialects, which are also mutually intelligible. You can call me as you wish, but the links which I posted are based on academic research, so you should adress them first, instead of reactions worthy of children in kindergarten. :picard1:


Nothing supports you .You will stick to your opinions , I will stick to my opinions ,we will bring our references , we will argue for pages and with no conclusion about something so subjective =total waste of time as I told before..

When politics involve whole concept becomes vague and arbitrary

Yes, nothing supports me, except all those academic publications which treat Turkic languages and concretely Turkish and Kyrgyz as clearly distinct and separate languages, with 2 clearly different written standards.


That is the main reason of your interest ..Try learn some Turkish or any of Turkic dialects first..if you can..

Sure, I will learn Turkish to realize that knowing it I can't understand Altaic. :D

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Sure, I will learn Turkish to realize that knowing it I can't understand Altaic.

Ofcourse you won't ..you will learn it as a second language and you are a IE speaker..not much hope, sorry
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Manas destanından bir bölüm -Kırgız Kıpçak ve Türkiye Oğuz Lehçesinde. Every Turkish person here would understand that.
I don't need any other link, reference or word salad .



Kabılan tuugan Almambet- Kaplan dogan Almambet'e
aldap-soolap tüşürgün- soyle, kandır da gitmesin!"
Anda ayttın Er Kökçö-0 vakit şoyle dedin Er Kökçe
'Kok-alam berbeymin, "Kok-ala atı veremem,
Kok-köbönü cappaymın.- mavi zırhı da veremem,
Kessen, özün kete ber!' -gidersen git, ne yapayım!"
Endi Ak-erke~ ayttı - Ak-erke de şoyle dedi:
"'Kok-alanı ayayım!" dep -"Kok Ala' yı sakınayım dedin,
kop cılkıdan ayrıldın -bir çok sürüden oldun.
"Bir cılkım ayayım!" dep :-Bir sürüyü sakınayım dedin,
bir talaydan ayrıldın! -bir çok sürüyü kaybettin.
Ayttırıp berbesen Kok-Alanı -Yalvartıp vermezsen Kok-ala'nı
astınnan alar Almambet- Almambet zorla gotürür
suratıp berbesen Kok-alanı -Yalvartıp vermezsen Kok-ala'nı
suurup alar Almambet- Almambet kendisi alır.
alakanın çak koyup,- Ellerini kavuşturup
kötün cerge tak koyup!' -götün üstüne oturursun."
Anda ayttin Er Kokçe- 0 vakit Er Kökçe şöyle dedin:
'Kok-alam beriber! "-Verin ona Kok-ala'yı
Kok-köbönü cabınar! -giydirin gök zırhı,
Almambetti alıp keliner!' Getirin Almambet'i!"
çorolor barıp ayttırıptır : Dostlar gelip dediler ki:
'Almambet, Kalmak, mas boldu, "Almambet bu Kalmuk sarhoş oldu
bir işkende beş işti- once beş kase içti,
can işkende beş işti- sonra beş kase daha içti,
at alarda beş işti- ata binerken de be§ kase,
Almambet, Kalmak, mas boldu! Kalmuk Almambet sarho§ oldu!
Karagaydm kölökösünö- Bir çam agacı golgesine
catıp kaldı Almambet: yatıp kaldı Almambet.

http://aton.ttu.edu/pdf/Manas_Destani_Part_2.pdf

Onur
11-17-2012, 05:13 PM
just saw a video in youtube by coincidence.

This is a 45min. program about Gagauzs and the republic of Gagauzia in Moldova. There is a director of the Gagauzia tv channel and a Gagauz deputy in Moldovan parliament. Watch it, listen to their Gagauz tongue;

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Onur
11-17-2012, 11:32 PM
Here is one more. This is from Gagauzia tv channel of GRT. An interview with Turkish FM Ahmet Davutoğlu in Gagauzia;

OuOmYbEWqEE

Su
11-26-2012, 08:53 PM
My accent :
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Q5BnAukbgV

Onur
11-26-2012, 10:09 PM
My accent :
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Q5BnAukbgV
This is standard Turkish accent.

So i assume you either get educated in Turkey or your parents was from western Turkey cities who speaks with standard Turkish accent rather than regional accents.

Su
11-26-2012, 10:33 PM
This is standard Turkish accent.

So i assume you either get educated in Turkey or your parents was from western Turkey cities who speaks with standard Turkish accent rather than regional accents.

Yeah, I can speak just standard Turkish :D

I dont know regional accents but I wish I could know a little bit about regional accents from Central Anatolia as well as Northern Turkey :D They sound kind of cool althought Azebaijani accent sounds also cute :D

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-26-2012, 10:54 PM
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Ege şivesi..amcayı konuşturup gülmüşler

Ama bu yine anlaşılır .Bazı Ege şivelerini anlamak neredeyse Kırgızca anlamak gibi..Arkadaşın annesi Demirci Yörük şivesini konuşuyordu ,inanın iki cümlesinden birinde mel mel yüzüne bakıyordum ne diyor diye..
Onu da böyle konuşturuyorduk şivesi güzel diye ama bi süre sonra kızıyordu egleniyo musunuz benle diye ..:D

Onur
11-27-2012, 12:10 AM
...

Ege şivesi..amcayı konuşturup gülmüşler

Ama bu yine anlaşılır .Bazı Ege şivelerini anlamak neredeyse Kırgızca anlamak gibi..Arkadaşın annesi Demirci Yörük şivesini konuşuyordu ,inanın iki cümlesinden birinde mel mel yüzüne bakıyordum ne diyor diye..
Onu da böyle konuşturuyorduk şivesi güzel diye ama bi süre sonra kızıyordu egleniyo musunuz benle diye ..:D
lol, süperdi bu, hemencecik facebook`ta paylaşıvereyim gari, dimi gız? :D

Bakkal son kullanma tarihi geçmiş mal satıyormuş, "garnımızı gucur gucur ettirtiriyo" haha, yani "karnı gurulduyormuş" :)


Absinth az önce bana sordu, bu Ege şivesi nasıl ayırt edilir diye, ona kısaca cevap verdim, Türkçeye çevireyim ona yazdığımı;
Bu Ege köylüsü şivesinin büyük bir kısmı esasında yörük Türkmen aksanı, küçük bir kısmıda Balkan Türk aksanı. Birde Egelilerin kullandığı sayısı 100 cıvarı Makedon-Bulgarca ve Rumca yabancı kelimeler var, bu kelimeleride diğer Türkler bilmez, kullanmaz. İşte bu üç öğenin karışımından oluşuyor Ege aksanı. Mesela Ege aksanı Trakya aksanına benzer. Bu benzerliğin sebebide ikisindede Balkan Türk aksanı etkisi olması.

İzmir şehir merkezi aksanıda bu Ege köylüsü aksanının standard İstanbul Türkçesi ile yumuşamış hali. İzmir şehir merkezinden biri konuştumu çok dikkatli dinleyen biri yinede anlar Egeli olduğunu ama artık kalmadı gibi bunlar, standard Türkçe aksanı konuşuluyor şehirde. Köylerde ama hala bu video`daki amca gibi konuşanlar çok, ne zaman gitsem oralara kahvede amcalarla sohbet ederim, çoğu böyle konuşur :)

Su
11-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Antalya accent is also very difficult to understand, when I was younger I never understood our neighbours who were originating from Antalya and I needed to keep asking excuse me what did you say etc? They were always offended by that also I usually asked my mom to translate everything :laugh: (by that time I was like 12-13) :D

Siberian Cold Breeze
11-27-2012, 12:22 AM
Paylaş tabii..:)
Demirci şivesi bulan bilen varsa keşke paylaşsa ..
Bir şeyler buldum gibi ama sesli değil..
http://www.sevdamizdemirci.com/?pnum=12&pt=DEM%C4%B0RC%C4%B0%20%C5%9E%C4%B0VES%C4%B0
Standart Türkçe de güzel de şivelere bayılıyorum ben ..

B harfi


Babıç yuluğu gibi 1- pabuç gibi, iri, kocaman 2- çok eski, kirli (bkz: yuluk)
babıldamak dili dolaşmak (bkz. levürdemek)
bacagaşı (baca kaşı) ocağın üst tarafında bacanın iki yanındaki kibrit, lamba vs. konan rafçık
bağıl bağıl bollum bollum, katmer katmer, bıngıl bıngıl
bakanak o[l]mak gözetmek, kollamak, korumak
bakırı bakır rengi
bambal hımbıl, miskin, üşengeç
bayabildiñ 1- aşağı yukarı, tahminen 2‑ sahiden, gerçekten
bayadır çoktandır, epeydir
bayazaman alışılageldiği gibi, hep olduğu gibi
bazar e’[k]mey (pazar ekmeği) çarşı fırınından alınan beyaz ekmek
bece’lemek becermek, icabına bakmak, üstesinden gelmek
bedel kocası ölen varlıklı kadının evlenerek yanına aldığı, ölen eşin yerini alan (bedeli olan) yeni eş (Ateş Bedeli, Sabri Bedeli)
beketmek, beke’[t]mek kapatmak, örtmek
beleñarı belli belirsiz, yarım yamalak, şöyle böyle, hayal meyal
belezahmet 1- bir zahmet, zahmet olacak 2‑ zahmetle, zorlukla
beliñ uçuk, korku ya da sıkıntıdan çıktığına inanılan dudak uçuğu (sivilce, bere, leke)
beliñlemekkorkudan dudağında uçuk çıkmak (K.M. hayvanın ürküp kaçması)
bencik 1- hep kendinden söz eden, kendini beğenmiş, ben ben diye konuşan 2- derideki küçük ben, alerji belirtisi sivilce
be[r]be[r] demiri başparmakla basılarak açılan kapı sapı
be’[rt]me, be[rt]ik eklem şişmesi, şiş
bıcırgan 1- yapışkan yabani başak (bkz: iğilcen) 2‑ kaşıntılı kabarcık, küçük sivilceler
bıkanak, bukanak bükülme yeri, eklem
bıkıldak eklem (bkz: bıkanak)
bıkmak, pıkmak bükmek, burkmak, kıvırmak
bıyı’[lt]mak bayılmak, kendinden geçmek
bide pide (Yun. pide)
bigereme habire, devamlı
biñgeçmek, biñgeşmek 1- üst üste binmek 2- kas gerginliği, kas ağrısı, kulunç
bi’[t]li helva susamlı helva
biyo, buyo, buyu 1- bir kere (biyol), 2‑ hele
biyosunda bir keresinde
bokdan, bokdana mahsuscuktan, şakacıktan, laf olsun diye
boygönek kadın iç çamaşırı uzun iç entarisi
bö[ğ]n bu gün
bö[ğ]ttürmek haşlamak, hafifçe pişirmek
böğü zehirli büyük örümcek (K.M. bög)
buğuz ba[ğ]lamak kin bağlamak
buldumcuk sonradan görme, burnu büyük, görgüsüz, ne oldum delisi
buley, buleydi bâri, hiç olmazsa
buñ bungunluk, bunaltı, sıkıntı
buñgun bunaltıcı, sıkıcı, ağır, yorgun, bitkin
buyu biyol (bkz: biyo)
büzükdeş kafadar, oyun eğlence arkadaşı



KİŞİ ADLARINDAN ÖRNEKLER
(1. Bölümün başındaki İşaretler ve Kısaltmalar tablosuna da bakınız)



Ali Ağa : Alâ
Aligil, Aliler : Aley
Ayşe : Aşa
Dudugil, Dudular : Dudey
Hatice: Hacca
Hikmet : He’met
Hüseyin : Üsen
İhsan : Essan, Ehsan
İsmail : İsmal, İsmil
Kadınayşe : Gannaşa
Mehmet Ali : Mamedeli, Mamdeli
Mehmetgil, Mehmetler : Mamedey
Mehmetgilin, Mehmetlerin : Mamedeñ
Muammer : Mammer
Mustafa : Mısdava


Mustafa Ali : Mısdavali
Nizamettin : İzamet
Nurullah : Nurlah
Ömer : Uma
Ömeroğlu : Umaro
Recep : Ercep, İrecep
Rızagil, Rızalar : Irzayey
Rızagilin, Rızaların : Irzayeñ
Sabriye : Sabirye
Sıdıka : Sisdi(y)ga
Süleyman : Sülüman
Şefika : Şavga
Şerafettin : Şeeddin
Zeliha : Zelhe, Zilhe
Zinnur : Zinnor

MfA_
11-30-2012, 09:23 AM
Elazığ Ağzı

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y-Sz1SxoOao

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TheMagnificent
11-30-2012, 09:25 AM
It seems that some posts are gone.

Pecheneg
11-30-2012, 10:20 AM
Ege(Muğla) Yörük ağzı :D
-Adın ne senin?
-İbraaam
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Orta Anadolu ağzı :D
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MfA_
11-30-2012, 10:28 AM
bizim bi konyalı arkadaşla merhabaşlamamız şöyle gidiyor

x-napaan
y-napaam la san naapan
x-napaam
:D

kayserilliler nöröön len diyor mesela :)

Yalquzaq
11-30-2012, 03:11 PM
:D

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Su
11-30-2012, 03:36 PM
It seems that some posts are gone.

Ya silinmis o, sen bir daha o 2. vidyoyu gondersene lutfen.

TheMagnificent
11-30-2012, 06:38 PM
Ya silinmis o, sen bir daha o 2. vidyoyu gondersene lutfen.

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Konya sivesi

MfA_
12-25-2012, 10:46 AM
Sivas Ağzı :D

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Pecheneg
12-25-2012, 01:30 PM
Sivas Ağzı :D

bu da sivas ağzı :D
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Karadeniz - Laz mı diğer Karadeniz ağızlarından mı tam emin değilim.
0PTwfp0anW4

Yalquzaq
12-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Nakhchivan.

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Siberian Cold Breeze
12-25-2012, 05:26 PM
Bir limon 15 lira ve et limondan ucuz mu?
Tamamdır Nahcıvan'a taşınıyorum !

Onur
12-25-2012, 06:05 PM
Bir limon 15 lira ve et limondan ucuz mu?
Tamamdır Nahcıvan'a taşınıyorum !
Valla ben limon`u tercih ederim :)

Bu arada niye 15 TL Nahçıvanda yahu? Birde tanesi? Delilik bu yahu Japonyamı orası? Ben 2 gün önce pazardan 1,5 TL`ye aldım kilosunu :thumb001:, sıkıp sıkıp suyunu içiyorum, nezle gribe birebir, ohh miss :thumb001:

Yalnız Nahçıvandaki o teyzelerin cana yakınlığı nedir öyle? Ne tatlı teyzeler onlar öyle? Şöyle yanıma 10kg limon alıp, oralara gidip beleşe dağıtasım geldi valla :)


Bu arada SCB, ucuz ve güzel et arıyorsan Balkanlara gideceksin, özellikle kuzu eti. Ben Bulgaristana gittiğimde şaşırmıştım, etin kilosu 9 TL`ydi bizim paramızla ve buradaki ot gibi kayış etlerle alakası yok, acaip lezzetli oluyor.

Siberian Cold Breeze
12-25-2012, 06:18 PM
Valla ben limon`u tercih ederim :)

Bu arada niye 15 TL Nahçıvanda yahu? Birde tanesi? Delilik bu yahu Japonyamı orası? Ben 2 gün önce pazardan 1,5 TL`ye aldım kilosunu :thumb001:, sıkıp sıkıp suyunu içiyorum, nezle gribe birebir, ohh miss :thumb001:

Yalnız Nahçıvandaki o teyzelerin cana yakınlığı nedir öyle? Ne tatlı teyzeler onlar öyle? Şöyle yanıma 10kg limon alıp, oralara gidip beleşe dağıtasım geldi valla :)

Kesinlikle ..İnsan kucaklamak , ne şekersin diye yanaklarından öpmek istiyor .Umarım bir gün kendim gidip görebilirim.

Bu ne demek biliyor musun ..bye bye salata ..Kahvaltı sofrasında bile domates biber salatalık yiyen bir yerde yaşıyorum tam kabus ..Yanlış yerde doğmuşum ben..:cry
Sırf eğlencesine "I can pass in Balkans "dedim thread altüst oldu. Bi de et ucuz diye oraya taşınıyorum desem tepkileri ne olur acaba? :lol00002:

Yalquzaq
12-25-2012, 06:23 PM
10 dollara limon banada garip geldi, biz çoğu zaman çayın içine limon dilimi atarız, yani anlayacağınız öyle olmasına imkan yok normalde. :D

Azalea
12-25-2012, 06:24 PM
Funny thing: a few weeks ago a Dutch person told me (after listening to me and a few others talking Turkish) that he couldn't make any sence out of Turkish. He said 'It's such a strange language. The only language I find it sounding similar to is Japanese'. :D

Onur
12-26-2012, 12:21 AM
Bu ne demek biliyor musun ..bye bye salata ..Kahvaltı sofrasında bile domates biber salatalık yiyen bir yerde yaşıyorum tam kabus ..Yanlış yerde doğmuşum ben..:cry
Ne kabusu ya? Dünyanın en güzel kahvaltısıdır zeytinyağı+domates+biber+salatalık, hele birde yazlık mekanda deniz kokusu varsa.

Ne yiyecektin kahvaltıda, etmi? Hay allahım!

Su
12-26-2012, 12:39 AM
Kiz ozaman senle Ben kahvaltida iskender krbab yiyrlim hehe.

Siberian Cold Breeze
12-26-2012, 12:54 AM
Ne kabusu ya? Dünyanın en güzel kahvaltısıdır zeytinyağı+domates+biber+salatalık, hele birde yazlık mekanda deniz kokusu varsa.

Ne yiyecektin kahvaltıda, etmi? Hay allahım!

Sucuk ,pastırma kavurma fln..üstüne de yumurta :) her çeşit süt ürünü simit çorba ..yeter ki zerzevat olmasın
(yasasın Karatay dieti:p)

Ben tavşan mıyım ?
bu sebze meselesinin kökleri patatesten daha derin..çocukken sofradan kaçardım salata yedirme ısrarı yüzünden ..
zaten çiğ karbonhidrat iyi gelmiyor bana..

MfA_
12-26-2012, 01:54 PM
Valla SCB'e katılmadan edemicem, ben de kahvaltıda ot yemem.. bizimkilerse bayılır, domates, çarliston vs. Diğer öğünlerde de et olmazsa olmazımdır, lahmacunu bile salatasız yerim.. Dedeme çekmişim bu konuda, o da ete zaten hayvan der, kaç kilo hayvan yiyorsun diye takılır:d

Dengizik
12-26-2012, 01:57 PM
Ne kabusu ya? Dünyanın en güzel kahvaltısıdır zeytinyağı+domates+biber+salatalık, hele birde yazlık mekanda deniz kokusu varsa.

Ne yiyecektin kahvaltıda, etmi? Hay allahım!

Biz kahvaltıda ciğer yiyoruz.

Siberian Cold Breeze
12-26-2012, 11:30 PM
Biz kahvaltıda ciğer yiyoruz.

şaka bu değil mi :eek:

Dengizik
12-26-2012, 11:32 PM
şaka bu değil mi :eek:

Değil. Adana'da yaygın. :thumb001:

Mjora
12-26-2012, 11:54 PM
Karadeniz - Laz mı diğer Karadeniz ağızlarından mı tam emin değilim.
0PTwfp0anW4

Bizim oranın aksanı bu.Trabzon'un doğusu.
Ama şöyle bir şey söyleyeyeyim Doğu Karadeniz aksanlarıyla ilgili:Eğer iyi bir kulağın varsa karşılıklı iki köyün insanlarının aksanı arasındaki farkı bile ayırdedebilirsin.O kadar aksan çeşitliliği olabiliyor yani

Mjora
12-27-2012, 12:05 AM
bizim bi konyalı arkadaşla merhabaşlamamız şöyle gidiyor
kayserilliler nöröön len diyor mesela :)

Teyzem de espri olsun diye çok kullanır bunu.:)Çorumlular 'Nöğörüyon'' diyorlar

Azalea
12-27-2012, 09:24 PM
Değil. Adana'da yaygın. :thumb001:

Ben hic duymadim valla. :D

benim bildigim Adana kahvaltisi:

- Domates
- Zeytin
- Biber
- Sogan
- Salatalik
- Peynir
- Yag
- Bal
- Bazlama/borek

Siberian_Cold_Breeze, sen baya etcisin. :D Bende severim eti. Mangal vs bayilirim ama uzun zaman et yiyince sIkILIyorum.

Su
12-27-2012, 09:46 PM
Bildigim kadariyla Ic Anadolular kizartmada yapiyorlar, patates ve biber kizartmasi, en azindan bizim Kayseirli ve Kirkkaleli komsular yapiyordu :D Bende bezan yapiyorum.

NOT: Yani normal kahvaltiligin yanina, extradan.

Azalea
12-27-2012, 09:47 PM
Evet bizde bazen patates kizartiyoruz. :D

(hepsini ben yiyorum :D:D)

Su
12-27-2012, 09:49 PM
Evet bizde bazen patates kizartiyoruz. :D

(hepsini ben yiyorum :D:D)

:thumb001:

Corba yapanlarda var, biz yapmiyoruz ama kahvaltiya corba icen var diye duydum, Cinliler gibi, Cinlilerde corba iciyor :D

TheMagnificent
12-27-2012, 10:40 PM
Bildigim kadariyla Ic Anadolular kizartmada yapiyorlar, patates ve biber kizartmasi, en azindan bizim Kayseirli ve Kirkkaleli komsular yapiyordu :D Bende bezan yapiyorum.

NOT: Yani normal kahvaltiligin yanina, extradan.

Babaannem bir de kahvaltida domates ezmesi gibi birsey yapiyor. Ekmek'le bana bana yemesi acayip güzel oluyor. :tongue

De, konu neden birden yemege dönüverdi? :D

Siberian Cold Breeze
12-28-2012, 02:17 AM
Ben hic duymadim valla. :D

benim bildigim Adana kahvaltisi:

- Domates
- Zeytin
- Biber
- Sogan
- Salatalik
- Peynir
- Yag
- Bal
- Bazlama/borek

Siberian_Cold_Breeze, sen baya etcisin. :D Bende severim eti. Mangal vs bayilirim ama uzun zaman et yiyince sIkILIyorum.


Soğan?

Et değil tek başına...Balık ,her tür deniz ürünü ,çorba ,süt ürünleri ..

Çiğ sebze ve meyve hariç herşey .

Tam da yerindeyim ,İzmirlilerin yemeğini yapmadıkları tek yeşillik çimen ,onun dışında her tür bitki yemek menüsünde

Deniz börülcesi: bir cins yosun..
turp otu
hardal otu
arap saçı
şevketi bostan
radika
enginar -baharda kova kova sular içinde bizim balkon enginar serasına dönüyor.Çünkü sadece yemek için değil dondurmak için de enginar..Ya kışın enginarsız kalırsak di mi?:eek:
Bunlar benim bildiklerim ..Ama pazarda daha bilmediğim ne otlar var..
bunların dışında her öğün marul ,roka, tere ,salatalık ,domates ,biber

..İzmirli (Aslında Demirci'li) bir arkadaşım marul salatasına yogurt döküp yiyordu ,ilk kez gördüğüm bir şey. Genelde domates dilimlenir zeytinyağ ve karabiber ile kahvaltıya gelir,Bi de Anneannem sağken pişi olurdu kahvaltıda.Onun dışında değişiklik yok.
İzmir tulumu güzel Boyoz diye birşey var o çok ünlü ,bir de kumru .

Ama İzmir'e yakın kasabalar ilçe merkezlerinden gelen süt ürünleri peynirler, tereyağlar (ayrandan yayık) ,kesmik ,süzme yoğurt ,lor vs muhteşem.

Benim bildiğime göre Anadoluda da sabah çorba -özellikle tarhana içilir .Doğru mu? Kışın ben seviyorum .İşe gideceksem hele hem pratik oluyor hem sıcak sıcak iyi geliyor.

Konu yemeğe nasıl geldi..Nahçivan'da limon 15 lira et 14 lira olduğunu duyunca ..:D

Azalea
12-28-2012, 10:07 AM
Evet siz salata'ya sogan katmazmisiniz? Bizim salatamiz: domates, salatalik, sogan, biber, maydonoz, limon ve zeytin yagli olur. :D

Sen gercekten degisiksin. Ama herkesin vucudu degisiktir degil mi. Seninkisi et yemek icin yapilmistir. :D

MfA_
12-28-2012, 10:12 AM
Sabah sabah soğan felan fena kokar.. Yoksa soğansız salataya salata demem..

Su
12-28-2012, 10:14 AM
Evet siz salata'ya sogan katmazmisiniz? Bizim salatamiz: domates, salatalik, sogan, biber, maydonoz, limon ve zeytin yagli olur. :D

Sen gercekten degisiksin. Ama herkesin vucudu degisiktir degil mi. Seninkisi et yemek icin yapilmistir. :D

Ben katarim, ama mesela beyaz sogandan pek katmam cunku cig beyaz pek iyi gelmiyor, ama kirmizi katarim.

Belki SCB de cig sebzeleri kaldiramiyorum, kimisi var sadece pismis sebze yiyebiliyor (harbiden) cig sebze iyi gelmiyor.

Azalea
12-28-2012, 10:26 AM
Peki SBC, cig et'e ne dersin? :D

Siberian Cold Breeze
12-28-2012, 10:31 AM
Evet siz salata'ya sogan katmazmisiniz? Bizim salatamiz: domates, salatalik, sogan, biber, maydonoz, limon ve zeytin yagli olur. :D

Sen gercekten degisiksin. Ama herkesin vucudu degisiktir degil mi. Seninkisi et yemek icin yapilmistir. :D

Yok yok,Sabah kahvaltısında soğan koymuyor bizimkiler sofraya o yüzden :)

Domates salatalık oluyor genelde..

Pişmiş sebze ile sorunum yok..çiğ olanlar ,evet rahatsızlık veriyor .
Bi de pazartesi bamya, salı taze fasulye ,çarşamba ıspanak ,perşembe biber dolması ,cuma kereviz ,cumartesi pırasa yanında salata diye bir menü olunca (bereket çoğu kez araya balık giriyor ) sanırım sebze düşmanı oldum.
Sağolsun anmem kadın programlarını dolduran doktor ve dietisyenlerin sözünden çıkmadığı için hepimiz zoraki vejetaryen bir durum yaşıyoruz..:eusa_doh:.Belki sebzesiz kalsam özlerim -(emin değilim pek..:icon_ask:Yani taşı ,yıka ,ayıkla, pişir ,pişince sönsün tencerede hacmi yarıya insin ,onu ye ,iki saat sonra açsın ee niye uğraştım ki ben?:confused:)


Peki SBC, cig et'e ne dersin?

Çiğ köfte mi?
Güzel yapılmışsa evet , az pişmiş bonfile denen şeyi yemeyi denedim sevmedim,etin de pişmişini tercih ederim..Ama çocukken midye ,istiridye ,minik karides (salın ve iskelenin altından ) yakalayıp oracıkta yemek gibi bir grup aktivitemiz vardı.Denizden ne çıksa yerim kısacası .
Konu fena dağıldı bunu böylece yemek bölümüne mi taşısak .Ne limonmuş.

MfA_
12-28-2012, 11:33 AM
ben de eti iyi pişmiş severim böyle sulu sulu yiyemiyorum.. şimdi diceksiniz ne ağzının tadını bilmez adamsın kahvaltıda sebze yemez, eti kuru yer.. ayrıca etin yağını da yemem, tavuğun göğsünü yerim butuna dokunmam bile heh bi tane daha işte :D

partizan kardeşim ne iş yaparsın sen buarada? şurdan bir spin-off çek ya da konuları birleştir bizahmet:)

Su
12-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Bu yemek off-topicleriyle ne kadar tipik Turk oldugumuzu belli ettik :laugh:

TheMagnificent
12-28-2012, 07:01 PM
Kıbrıs ağzı (Cypriot Turkish dialect):

c1PkLt8BgSM

xPfszbGAKwI

Wild North
12-29-2012, 03:03 AM
Is Turkish language (in Turkey) mutually inteligible with the Azerbaijanian language?

Mjora
12-29-2012, 03:44 AM
Is Turkish language (in Turkey) mutually inteligible with the Azerbaijanian language?

Almost.The regional dialects, spoken in regions close to Azerbaijan are more similar to Azeri language I think.

east
01-27-2013, 07:02 PM
Unfortunately I could not find a suitable video in youtube with a speech from Deliorman, but I found this:

http://i50.tinypic.com/29p2az5.jpg

Anon
01-28-2013, 09:43 AM
Azeri is the most beautiful of them all..
And I'm absolutely not biased *winkwink :p

Su
01-28-2013, 04:41 PM
Azeri is the most beautiful of them all..
And I'm absolutely not biased *winkwink :p

Why dont you write some Azeri stuff here.

ciddenbizdensenozamanbizimyazilarimizinhepsinihari kabirsekideanlarsinveyazarsinegerodigeradamsanamaa zeriymisgibidavranirsantabikineanlamazsin.

Anon
01-28-2013, 06:16 PM
Why dont you write some Azeri stuff here.

ciddenbizdensenozamanbizimyazilarimizinhepsinihari kabirsekideanlarsinveyazarsinegerodigeradamsanamaa zeriymisgibidavranirsantabikineanlamazsin.
Anlayiram amma yaza bilmirem, anam atam hec oyretmedi.
This is the best I can do haha, with some commonly used phrases/words. :icon_redface:

MfA_
01-28-2013, 06:40 PM
Anlayiram amma yaza bilmirem, anam atam hec oyretmedi.
This is the best I can do haha, with some commonly used phrases/words. :icon_redface:

I find Azeri very melodic :thumb001:

Onur
01-29-2013, 01:25 AM
Anlayiram amma yaza bilmirem, anam atam hec oyretmedi.
This is the best I can do haha, with some commonly used phrases/words. :icon_redface:
Ohh thats a shame. You should learn how to read and write in Azerbaijani Turkish and teach your children too, otherwise you would loose your Azerbaijani identity.

Yalquzaq
01-31-2013, 10:23 PM
“Osmanlıcadan tərcümə türkə”- bunu bilməm,
Gerçək yazıyor gəncəli, yainki hənəkdir?
Mümkün iki dil bir-birinə tərcümə, amma,
“Osmanlıcadan tərcümə türkə” nə deməkdir?

Mirza Alekper Sabir

Azerbaycan'da Türkiye Türkçesi (veya ozamanlar Osmanlı Türkçesi) yazılarının Azerbaycan Türkçesine tercüme edilmesini 1900 yılların başlangıçlarında bu satırlarla eleştirmiştir.

Wild North
04-02-2013, 06:42 PM
Almost.The regional dialects, spoken in regions close to Azerbaijan are more similar to Azeri language I think.

it is said that all Turkic languages in general, are very similar..

For ex. there are no big differences between Anatolian Turkish and the Crimean Tatar language?

Is there a big difference between Oguz and Kipchak?

Onur
04-02-2013, 08:18 PM
it is said that all Turkic languages in general, are very similar..

For ex. there are no big differences between Anatolian Turkish and the Crimean Tatar language?

Is there a big difference between Oguz and Kipchak?
Anatolian Turkish is so close with Crimean Tatar but this is mainly because Crimean tongue was under Anatolian Turkish influence due to closer historical heritage comparing with other kypchak tongues (e.g. Crimean Khaganate was an autonomous part of the Ottoman empire). I think i can say that it` s as close as the Austrian German with German of Germany.

The most distant kypchak tongue should be close to Anatolian Turkish like German to Dutch/Flemish.

Yalquzaq
04-12-2013, 03:53 PM
Tuvğan Til

Seni men Qırımda, Qazanda taptım,
Curegim qaynağan, taşqanda taptım...

Cat elde muğayıp, açınıp curgende,
Umütim, hayalım şay tüşip curgende,

Moynuña sarıldım, dertimni aytıp,
Bir guzel sözüñmen ozüme qaytıp...

Cırlarıñ bolmasa, maneñ bolmasa,
''Curt'' degen sözüñmen curek tolmasa,

Ah, nasıl curermen gurbet yaqlarda,
Tanışsız, bilişsiz yat soqaqlarda?..

Bilmiymen-türükmi, Tatarmı adıñ,
Bek yaman tatlısıñ, Tañrıdan tadıñ.

Türük de, tatar da seniñ sözleriñ,
Ekisi eki çift muñlu kozleriñ...

Viyana ogünde, Qazaq içinde
Barabar cırladıq Hindlerde, Çinde...

Añlasın bir seni, duşman da süyer,
Bir canıq sözüñmen curegi iyer...

İstiymen ozüñni er yaqta kormek,
Er yerde inciñden destanlar ormek...

Quşlarğa, qaşqırğa uyretsem seni,
Sen bolsañ oksüzniñ koñülden süygeni.

Camige, mihrapqa, sarayğa kirseñ,
Deñizler, çöllerniñ çetine erseñ...

Seniñmen duşmanğa yarlıqlar yazsam,
Qaruvlı sözüñmen koñlüni qazsam...

Qabrimde melekler sorğu sorasa,
Azrail tilimni biñ kere torasa,-

''Oz tuvğan tilimde ayt mağa! '' dermen,
Oz tuvğan tilimde cırlap olermen...

Koñlümni qayğılar kemirip turğanda,
Halqımnı tınışsız yıldızı urğanda,

Tuvğan til,-başqası aqlıma kelmiy,
Bir buyuk sırımsıñ, duşmanlar bilmiy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDGHOrTmUh4

Yalquzaq
04-26-2013, 06:50 AM
Halaç Türkçesi.

Yaduma Tüşdü (Hatırladım)

Təkənə törməni boğda əzdikiyə,
Nalışgın turpaqu yaduma tüşdü.
Yuyular qablaru narun qizləri,
Gilişgin turpaqu yaduma tüşdü.

Tağlarıyn harasu, küm kük haqaçlar,
Bineçə nazənin xoş xət-u xallar,
Şokufalar vermiş bağça anarlar,
Kohna qala dəşti yaduma tüşdü.

Şəhla nərgiz məsti cadu közləri,
Qomru vara nazuk kəlam sözləri,
Xarmancaça leylim varan qizləri,
U ceyran közləri yaduma tüşdü.

Səlminə-səlminə varqulu qazar,
Munağu qiz bizim ellərçə hazar,
Qulağuça tana, boynu hürün nazar,
Alçaq –uca yallar yaduma tüşdü.

Gitkamar burnaqu qulaqluq tağar,
Hadaqu yam yaşul hağaçar bağar,
Piriziyn yalları yağuşlar yağar,
U qonçu yoldaşlar yaduma tüşdü.

nittionia
03-24-2020, 07:00 PM
Do any Turkish users have experience with this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l117wfB0g3o