Hitler hated Christianity & replaced it with Nordish paganism

[Corvus]

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[Corvus]

Here is a full documentation about the Occult History of the Thrird Reich:

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[Corvus]

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)

[Corvus]

While it is difficult to fix the boundary between the fringe and the mainstream, the general tenor of Nazi ideology was in favor of the old Nordic paganism and against Christianity:

"The German people is no longer blinded by illusions as at the time of the Reformation. It has come to recognize not only Judaism, but Christianity too, as foreign to its genius.-- Der Blitz, January 12, 1936, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

"But today a new faith is awakening: the myth of the blood...Then in place of the Old Testament stories of cattle breeders and the exploitation of prostitutes, we shall have the Nordic sagas and fairy tales, at first simply recounted, later assuming the form of symbols." (Alfred Rosenberg, Myth of the Twentieth Century, 1932, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

"The teaching of mercy and love of one's neighbor is foreign to the German race and the Sermon on the Mount is according to Nordic sentiment an ethic for cowards and idiots.-- Hans Hauptmann, Bolshevism in the Bible (Nazi textbook), 1937, quoted p. 28, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).

[Corvus]

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[Virtuous]

Wasn't he hardcore Catholic? :confused:

[Corvus]

Wasn't he hardcore Catholic? :confused:

In his youth, then he changed his mind

[Sultan Suleiman]

So what? Nazis were crypto-Pagan/Muslim :D xD

[Corvus]

Hitler was a big supporter of Nordish paganism and even prayed to Odin and Thor twice a day. He even built a place of worship and planted a Yggdrasil = Odin`s horse ( an immense tree tree which should stand for 1000 years like the Third Reich) for Proto Germanic gods at his residence on the Salzberg in Berchtesgarden.
When he was in full power he also saw himself as the reincarnation of Balder - the lord of warriors.

He also did not disguise his open despise for the Roman Catholic and Protestant church.

[finþaų]

Hitler was a big supporter of Nordish paganism and even prayed to Odin and Thor twice a day. He even built a place of worship and planted a Yggdrasil = Odin`s horse ( an immense tree tree which should stand for 1000 years like the Third Reich) for Proto Germanic gods at his residence on the Salzberg in Berchtesgarden.
When he was in full power he also saw himself as the reincarnation of Balder - the lord of warriors.

He also did not disguise his open despise for the Roman Catholic and Protestant church.

This all sounds quite insane to be frank.

[Mortimer]

nordish religion is not bad at all, but not practical in modern era. i believe in higher theology than people had 2000-6000 years ago.

[Flintlocke]

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[Holle Bolle Gijss]

This all sounds quite insane to be frank.Yeah its a load of bollocks aswell...

[Corvus]

Yeah its a load of bollocks aswell...

What do you think. Hitler was a devout christian and visited the church every sunday :rolleyes:

[Holle Bolle Gijss]

What do you think. Hitler was a devout christian and visited the church every sunday :rolleyes:
I didn't say that.

The paganistic side of the third reich was of the mind of Heinrich Himmler. And Hitler did not bother with it. Hitler even gave Himmler a castle of his own for him and his Teutonic knights (SS elite guard) called the Wewelsburcht, wich had a room with a marble floor inprinted with a black sun.

Hitler never even so much as payed a visit. Even though it cost him 11 million Deutsch Marks.

[Barbarossa]

He wanted to replace Christianity with what he thought that Nordic/Germanic paganism is.

[Anusiya]

Nordish paganism was chosen for his "elite", the SS. Catholicism was used for the Bavarian and Protestantism-nationalism for the iridescent claims across the West and Easter borders. He used it, as long as it worked.

[Sol Invictus]

Yes, it was an elite practice and so very exclusive. Though, it had little to do with resembling the neo-pagan revivalism we see today, though, and had more in common with various theosophical movements popular at the time. This was Himmler's doing, and not Hitler. Hitler doesn't seem at all concerned with these things. He was the Fuhrer, and Himmler was his Knight-Mystic.

[Harry Potter]

Well it's true that if Jesus existed, he was a brown skinned Jewish socialist.

But the question here is, what got this thread to do with atheism?

[Corvus]

Well it's true that if Jesus existed, he was a brown skinned Jewish socialist.

But the question here is, what got this thread to do with atheism?

The better question is, what has your comment to do with this topic?

[Harry Potter]

The better question is, what has your comment to do with this topic?

1-Hitler hated Christianity, if it's true I know why. The main character in the Christian stories was a Jewish guy, Hitler didn't liked these peoples. Therefore he might have not liked Christianity and might have seen it as a bad thing for the Aryans.

2-Really atheism =/= Nordic paganism. Why this topic has been created in this sub-forum?

[Flintlocke]

Why do you folks keep on bringing up all those Hitler stories, he's long gone dead and he failed.

[Corvus]

1-Hitler hated Christianity, if it's true I know why. The main character in the Christian stories was a Jewish guy, Hitler didn't liked these peoples. Therefore he might have not liked Christianity and might have seen it as a bad thing for the Aryans.

2-Really atheism =/= Nordic paganism. Why this topic has been created in this sub-forum?

Are you Mr. Correct and currently checking if all topics are placed in the right sections? If so you have a lot of work to do here...

[Corvus]

Why do you folks keep on bringing up all those Hitler stories, he's long gone dead and he failed.

Hitler is a legend, you can like him or not, but you cannot ignore this special man and his legacy.

[Flintlocke]

I think the first Klan was better than Hitler. We're all suffering because of his defeat.

[ChildOfTheJin]

It wasn't Hitler that did this. It was Himmler that tried to do this, the leader of the SS

[Anusiya]

Why do you folks keep on bringing up all those Hitler stories, he's long gone dead and he failed.

Because they are friggin' nazis that's why Einstein! :D

[Teyrn]

Hitler seems to be a deist or eclectic Christian humanist to me, judging by the way to which he refers to the divine in Mein Kampf. He uses deistic terms like "Providence" iirc- and he never displays hatred of Catholicism/Christianity & he certainly doesn't mention Odin, Thor, or any of that group of deities. Akaik Hitler considered Jesus to be an early proto-type of the national socialist-type fighter against the Jews; Hitler believed Jesus was an Aryan and had considerable respect for him but not as the Son of God. Hitler never supported any resurrection of paganism and he was a supporter of Positivist Christianity (i.e. nationalistic, racialist) in Germany, since he saw organized Christianity as corrupt and judaized. The suppression of masonry in Germany under the Nazis is a fairly good indicator that the Hitler regime still operated under certain Catholic positions (i.e. anti-masonry, which arch-Catholics are violently opposed to).

[Corvus]

Hitler seems to be a deist to me, judging by the way to which he refers to the divine in Mein Kampf. He uses deistic terms like "Providence" iirc- and he never displays hatred of Catholicism/Christianity & he certainly doesn't mention Odin, Thor, or any of that group of deities. Akaik Hitler considered Jesus to be an early proto-type of the national socialist-type fighter against the Jews; Hitler believed Jesus was an Aryan and had considerable respect for him but not as the Son of God. Hitler never supported any resurrection of paganism and he was a supporter of Positivist Christianity (i.e. nationalistic, racialist) in Germany, since he saw organized Christianity as corrupt and judaized.

Typical "Christian" perspective. Believe what you want to believe

Let`s stick to the facts. Jesus and his disciples were Jewish.
Chritianity is a derivate of Judaism. Hitler was clear strategical thinker. He didn`t want to oppose all the faithful Christians of Southern Germany, but in the hand he despised Christianity like Judaism.

[Teyrn]

Typical "Christian" perspective. Believe what you want to believe

I read Mein Kampf and a variety of other NS literature from the actual NS themselves. I consider the actual thoughts of Hitler and his followers to be more authoritative than Youtube videos. :bored:

[Corvus]

I read Mein Kampf and a variety of other NS literature from the actual NS themselves. I consider the actual thoughts of Hitler and his followers to be more authoritative than Youtube videos. :bored:

Read my lines, in my eyes it is hypocrisy of the highest degree to be Nationalsocialist and Christian at the same time.

[Teyrn]

Read my lines, in my eyes it is hypocrisy of the highest degree to be Nationalsocialist and Christian at the same time.

So you feel the need to turn Hitler into something he himself would've detested, i.e. some kind of pagan messianic figure? :picard1:

The severe anti-Christianism in modern neonazism comes from the influence of people like Savitri Devi, Miguel Serrano, etc. These fruitcakes worshipped Hitler as some kind of divine avatar.

[Germaniac]

Himmler ans his SS were the pagan ones. Adolf on the other hand was christian, he said, once: "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. "

[Corvus]

So you feel the need to turn Hitler into something he himself would've detested, i.e. some kind of pagan messianic figure? :picard1:

The severe anti-Christianism in modern neonazism comes from the influence of people like Savitri Devi, Miguel Serrano, etc. These fruitcakes worshipped Hitler as some kind of divine avatar.

I don`t feel urged to do anything concerning this matter as I am an objective investigator

[Permafrost]

Hitler's figure must be one of the most manipulated through history; throw a few quotes he is a devout Christian, throw another few he is the opposite.

Example -

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."
- Goebbels

And not to speak of the various allegations that he was actually of Jewish descent and a pro-zionist...


But I reckon those who pointed out that he used Catholicism to further his own goals are right. Himmler was the pagan one, however the one who was truly obsessed with Nordic paganism was IMO Rosenberg.

[Burzum fan]

If Hitler were really a Christian, he wouldn't have used the swastika as the symbol for the Third Reich. He only pretended to be Christian for PR. After the war though, there probably would've been a subtle campaign against it (growing more blatant as it became less popular).

[Harry Potter]

If Hitler were really a Christian, he wouldn't have used the swastika as the symbol for the Third Reich. He only pretended to be Christian for PR. After the war though, there probably would've been a subtle campaign against it (growing more blatant as it became less popular).

The Swastika got nothing to do with the Nordic paganism. It derives from Asian based religions and Hitler didn't brought that in Germany, it was H.Himmler, this guy was the Hitler's right hand and he was believing the Whites to have heritage from Tibet.

[Partizan]

Do not think so...

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[Holle Bolle Gijss]

The Swastika got nothing to do with the Nordic paganism. This statement is quit right, altho I really wonder from which source you got the rest of your fairytale.
It derives from Asian based religions and Hitler didn't brought that in Germany, The swastica deriving from Asian based religions? Are you joking or what? The swastika "derives" from about 32 "cultures" many not even religously based. The jews for example used it to just decorate buildings to fend off evil and many cultures just used it as a good luck symbol.
it was H.Himmler, this guy was the Hitler's right handHimmler wasn't Hitlers right hand "guy"... Himmler was head of the SS nothing more.
and he was believing the Whites to have heritage from Tibet.Again such a sweet fairytale. Himmler and believing whites had heritage in tibet????? You might wanna elaborate on that a bit.:picard1:

[Burzum fan]

The Swastika got nothing to do with the Nordic paganism. It derives from Asian based religions and Hitler didn't brought that in Germany, it was H.Himmler, this guy was the Hitler's right hand and he was believing the Whites to have heritage from Tibet.

The swastika is an ancient Indo-European symbol, and the oldest known swastika is from Ukraine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Archaeological_record) The swastika isn't Nordic or Germanic specifically, but it's definitely an Aryan pagan symbol.

[Holle Bolle Gijss]

an Aryan pagan symbol.No its not...

[Burzum fan]

No its not...

Then what is it?

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

First time I agree with Nutzis :)

[Holle Bolle Gijss]

Then what is it?
Well you seemed just a minute ago quit comfortable with the reply you provided to these good people, but now I need to explain the whole deal to you?

Why dont you do some proper research about the whole subject and get back to me on that.

Here I'll help you a little to cross that big bad bridge of knowledge...

One of the many articles on the origin of the swastika (http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm)

[Burzum fan]

Well you seemed just a minute ago quit comfortable with the reply you provided to these good people, but now I need to explain the whole deal to you?

Why dont you do some proper research about the whole subject and get back to me on that.

Here I'll help you a little to cross that big bad bridge of knowledge...

One of the many articles on the origin of the swastika (http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm)

Are we squabbling over the meaning of "Aryan," the identity of the inhabitants of Eastern Europe at the time, or whether or not that's the true birthplace of the symbol?

P.S. That article you linked doesn't even touch on the origin (birthplace) of the swastika.

[Holle Bolle Gijss]

Are we squabbling over the meaning of "Aryan," the identity of the inhabitants of Eastern Europe at the time, or whether or not that's the true birthplace of the symbol?

P.S. That article you linked doesn't even touch on the origin (birthplace) of the swastika.Squabbling about the meaning of "Aryan"? Are you for real?

P.S. If the article doens't satisfy your needs please provide us with proper info (eg links, sources etc) to draw us all out of our wet dream. Happy hunting.:picard1:

[Incel King]

I read Mein Kampf and Hitler said that he's Roman Catholic.

[Osprey]

There are as many lies as truths concerning Hitler'a religious stance. And since i don't have the energy to analyse the statements ahd their context, i'll stay objectively neutral and let the good gentlemen do their work.

[Burzum fan]

Squabbling about the meaning of "Aryan"? Are you for real?

P.S. If the article doens't satisfy your needs please provide us with proper info (eg links, sources etc) to draw us all out of our wet dream. Happy hunting.:picard1:

The symbol seems to originate in Ice Age Europe. What more do you want?

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

National Socialism was a political movement and was not religious. Himmler was into Neo Paganism but not Hitler. Hitler gave a speech about it even just to make his point and Neo Pagan tendencies in the National Socialist movement. Hitler was clearly a deist and no pagan.

From Mein Kampf
"At that time, and subsequently, I had to warn followers repeatedly against these wandering scholars who were peddling Germanic folk-lore and who never accomplished anything positive or practical, except to cultivate their own superabundant self-conceit. "

"It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient Teutonic heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according to ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of oxen mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And thus they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears. Posterity will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic gladiators."


"This is every bit as true today. Christian Identity is suppressed by the jew because it is feared. It represents truths that hit home hard when a jew comes across them. Christian Identity exposes the charades of the jews. The jews don't care about Asatru, Odinism, or any of the other variants of Germanic paganism. These are no threat to the jew! 1600 years ago, The jew and the pagan lived happily together. The jew even lived peaceably with the Arian Christian Goths, Lombards and Vandals. The jew cannot tolerate traditional Christianity, and traditional Christianity does not tolerate the jew. Christian Identity is the only true counter to the jewish lies and propaganda which pollute the world today."

"National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.... We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings
but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord.... Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.
-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.

That's just a few quotes, Theirs a ton more. Thousands of statements. Himmler was the Neo Pagan and not Hitler.

[Burzum fan]

I read Mein Kampf and Hitler said that he's Roman Catholic.

Do you not think any of us on the Heathen side have read Mein Kampf as well? The book was written for public consumption. Based on his given circumstances he had to call himself Christian to gain any support from the masses. Yet he surrounded himself with an odd number of Heathens and anti-Christians and many sources suggest that his claimed Christian faith was just a front.

[Burzum fan]

From Mein Kampf

[...]

"This is every bit as true today. Christian Identity is suppressed by the jew because it is feared. It represents truths that hit home hard when a jew comes across them. Christian Identity exposes the charades of the jews. The jews don't care about Asatru, Odinism, or any of the other variants of Germanic paganism. These are no threat to the jew! 1600 years ago, The jew and the pagan lived happily together. The jew even lived peaceably with the Arian Christian Goths, Lombards and Vandals. The jew cannot tolerate traditional Christianity, and traditional Christianity does not tolerate the jew. Christian Identity is the only true counter to the jewish lies and propaganda which pollute the world today."

The last quote isn't from Mein Kampf. :picard1:

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

The last quote isn't from Mein Kampf. :picard1:

No it wasn't i started with Mein Kampf quotes and found others to illustrate the point then didnt go back and change the Mein Kampf reference. My point stands Hilter thought Neo Paganism was silly but let Himmler play dress up and read his fairy tales without getting to involved.

[Sol Invictus]

I can't understand the whole "Nordic" neo-paganism. Most of it is pure reconstructionism, whose "tradition" stems, for the most part, from the ideas of a Christian. Its also not surprising that many of these neo-pagans (who like to call themselves "Heathens" instead) are feminine goddess earth-worshipers. Total new-age nonsense. "Asatru" is a broken tradition.

[Burzum fan]

No it wasn't i started with Mein Kampf quotes and found others to illustrate the point then didnt go back and change the Mein Kampf reference. My point stands Hilter thought Neo Paganism was silly but let Himmler play dress up and read his fairy tales without getting to involved.

He seemed to be referring to certain types of fairytale-obsessed cos-players, but nothing in those quotes had anything to do with Heathenry.

Maybe I shouldn't even call myself Heathen, but I don't know of a better term to embrace. I'm not a re-constructionist, or a literalist. I believe that ancient Aryans were at least the closest to getting things right, even if "All-Father Odin/Wotan" isn't really a man who sacrificed an eye for knowledge. I do, however, believe there are imperfect gods/powers who formed man (and other species) according to their preferences (maybe even different ones for different species/races), but didn't create the universe. I even suspect that the pagan religions of recent millennia may be degenerations from the beliefs a long lost and wiser race/civilization/age. I don't claim to have too many answers.


I can't understand the whole "Nordic" neo-paganism. Most of it is pure reconstructionism, whose "tradition" stems, for the most part, from the ideas of a Christian. Its also not surprising that many of these neo-pagans (who like to call themselves "Heathens" instead) are feminine goddess earth-worshipers. Total new-age nonsense. "Asatru" is a broken tradition.

I'm semi-sympathetic to the first part of what you say, but the part about "feminine goddess earth-worshippers" is guilt-by-association (not that there's any real association, just different types of people claiming to be "heathen" or "pagan"), which is silly.

[Sol Invictus]

I'm semi-sympathetic to the first part of what you say, but the part about "feminine goddess earth-worshippers" is guilt-by-association (not that there's any real association, just different types of people claiming to be "heathen" or "pagan"), which is silly.

All transcendence is generally unknown to these types. There are certain esotericists who are an exception to this, but it is extremely rare. Neo-pagans, like all reconstructionists and associated new-age movements are stuck in nature. It is a trap, and a sign of the decadence of the age we live in.

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

He seemed to be referring to certain types of fairytale-obsessed cos-players, but nothing in those quotes had anything to do with Heathenry.

Maybe I shouldn't even call myself Heathen, but I don't know of a better term to embrace. I'm not a re-constructionist, or a literalist. I believe that ancient Aryans were at least the closest to getting things right, even if "All-Father Odin/Wotan" isn't really a man who sacrificed an eye for knowledge. I do, however, believe there are imperfect gods/powers who formed man (and other species) according to their preferences (maybe even different ones for different species/races), but didn't create the universe. I even suspect that the pagan religions of recent millennia may be degenerations from the beliefs a long lost and wiser race/civilization/age. I don't claim to have too many answers.



I'm semi-sympathetic to the first part of what you say, but the part about "feminine goddess earth-worshippers" is guilt-by-association (not that there's any real association, just different types of people claiming to be "heathen" or "pagan"), which is silly.

Well friend you have the right to believe whatever none sense you want. The American Indians believed the great turtle created the world and you believe what i'm not sure. None the less Hitler was a Deist and not a pagan and that 100% clear. Nothing in any speech or writings shows that he worshiped or believed in any pagan mythology. In fact its quit the opposite. Himmler and his SS well thats a different story.

[Sol Invictus]

Well friend you have the right to believe whatever none sense you want. The American Indians believed the great turtle created the world and you believe what i'm not sure.

I believe he just stated that he was not a literalist. I trust you don't literally believe in the mythology of the Bible, as this would place you in the same category of said Indians.

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

I think the first Klan was better than Hitler. We're all suffering because of his defeat.

The Klan back woods Democrats nothing more nothing less.

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

I believe he just stated that he was not a literalist. I trust you don't literally believe in the mythology of the Bible, as this would place you in the same category of said Indians.

A clue to if a Religion has any validity is if it takes the creation myth from nature or if the creator is transcendent outside space and time. I'de be glad to discuss my beliefs with you in a different thread but this thread is about Hitlers beliefs. Hitler wasn't Pagan and probably have some sharp words for these prison religion woden worshipers. I think they'd have a prison camp with there name on it.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/chad%20kerns.jpg

[Sol Invictus]

A clue to if a Religion has any validity is if it takes the creation myth from nature or if the creator is transcendent outside space and time.

Hmmm....

This doesn't sound like something a "reformed Christian" might say. But I do agree with you there.

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

Hmmm....

This doesn't sound like something a "reformed Christian" might say. But I do agree with you there.

Well you apparently aren't versed on reformed theology and much as you might believe. That said this ain't the thread.

[Sol Invictus]

Well you apparently aren't versed on reformed theology and much as you might believe. That said this ain't the thread.

Maybe, or maybe not. All reformists believe in a literal Christ, however. That is considered "dogmatic" in every mainstream Christian sect. Do you deny Christ's literal existence or not?

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

Maybe, or maybe not. All reformists believe in a literal Christ, however. That is considered "dogmatic" in every mainstream Christian sect. Do you deny Christ's literal existence or not?

I DO NOT Deny Christ. Anyone that thinks Christ wasn't real is ignorant or malicious. You can say Christ was not that creator incarnate, but to say he never existed is just stupid. Its a extremely well founded fact. Its kind of like saying Julius Cesar never existed.

[Sol Invictus]

I DO NOT Deny Christ. Anyone that thinks Christ wasn't real is ignorant or malicious. You can say Christ was not that creator incarnate, but to say he never existed is just stupid. Its a extremely well founded fact. Its kind of like saying Julius Cesar never existed.

LOL!

That says it all then. The Bible is mythology, not a historical document, and not to be taken literally. There is very little, if any external biblical sources supporting his existence. And the ones that claim it are not reliable.

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

Hmmm....

This doesn't sound like something a "reformed Christian" might say. But I do agree with you there.

Well thats what the culture teaches and what you learn in the class room so i wouldn't expect you to now. Very powerful groups want you to come to that conclusion. I recommend you read The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus (http://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310209307). Believe his deity or not you should at least educate yourself on the subject. I warn you though once educated you'll have to tolerate the ignorant masses :)

[Sol Invictus]

Well thats what the culture teaches and what you learn in the class room so i wouldn't expect you to now. Very powerful groups want you to come to that conclusion. I recommend you read The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus (http://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310209307). Believe his deity or not you should at least educate yourself on the subject. I warn you though once educated you'll have to tolerate the ignorant masses :)

Well, you yourself stated that the creation myth in the Bible is just that: myth. Not believing in the literal interpretation of the Bible as the inerrant Word of God will get you labelled a heretic in both the Reformist and Catholic Church. So you are a heretic. And a very confused one at that. I respect the fact you are an adherent of theism, which is more than I can say for 90% of the people here, but you are currently in a literalist, and material trap, just like everyone else. I don't fear the ignorant masses at all. I am constantly at war with the masses, their herd mentality, and their popular opinion. You, on the other hand, need to come out of it and embrace the Traditional Sciences!

[Teyrn]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqHTSPMHwHFAL6TG5CxINZ2eEFceVHj lsQPe7v_SMQBHo1U-vsy052HcRjNA

[Harry Potter]

This statement is quit right, altho I really wonder from which source you got the rest of your fairytale. The swastica deriving from Asian based religions? Are you joking or what? The swastika "derives" from about 32 "cultures" many not even religously based. The jews for example used it to just decorate buildings to fend off evil and many cultures just used it as a good luck symbol. Himmler wasn't Hitlers right hand "guy"... Himmler was head of the SS nothing more. Again such a sweet fairytale. Himmler and believing whites had heritage in tibet????? You might wanna elaborate on that a bit.

-The oldest swastika might be from Ukraine, but it was found recently. No ethnic German inherited that from the Proto-Indo-Europeans, ironically the PIE did not even existed 12k years ago. While the cultures of Hindustan and Tibet hold that tight and that inspired H.Himmler.

http://www.ibtimes.com/heinrich-himmler-nazi-hindu-214444

Nazi Germany had no number 2 de jure, but Himmler was the de facto number 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler#Relationship_with_Hitler

(Don't go about the heritage of the swastika, I don't care and that's not the topic, the topic is about what the Nazis were believing and not which is the true.)


The swastika is an ancient Indo-European symbol, and the oldest known swastika is from Ukraine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Archaeological_record) The swastika isn't Nordic or Germanic specifically, but it's definitely an Aryan pagan symbol.

You realize that the P.Indo-Europeans did not even existed at the time, right? Nor that have descent from modern Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

[Sol Invictus]

Back on topic: you guys should really check out Stephen Flowers' "The Myth and Reality of Nazi Occultism". I have it in my hand right now. Page 30 covers the whole Paganism and Non-Christian Spiritual Currents in Reich III. Flowers and Goodrick-Clarke are generally considered to be the authorities on this issue.

[Anusiya]

A swastika is a geometric symbol easily thought up by a kid. It's a typical example of human imagination. Virtually all civilizations have come up with the swastika. You start by crossing two lines and then you connect their ends. Perhaps the direction it shows has something to do with the introduction of some kind of roughly built wheel in pre-historical societies or something, but honestly who gives a damn about a kid's doodle? It could be the ancestor of Bill Gates inventing windows for all I care!

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

http://i.imgur.com/YcLXq.jpg

That explains a lot :thumb001:

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

http://i.imgur.com/YcLXq.jpg

That explains a lot :thumb001:

Maybe but i thankful that he allowed it to happen. He conquered in his sacrifice.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Ofcourse ,we all love our Semitic prophets and their Semitic institutions, don't we? :p
Who is being sacrificed ,what is being conquered ,think twice?

[Anusiya]

Ofcourse ,we all love our Semitic prophets and their Semitic institutions, don't we?
Who is being sacrificed ,what is being conquered ,think twice?

Last time I checked you didn't conquer in the name of Tengri, right? :rolleyes:

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Last time I checked you didn't conquer in the name of Tengri, right? :rolleyes:

What about your Zeus ,smartass?

You are missing the point for the sake of trolling again..

[Anusiya]

What about your Zeus ,smartass?

Never denied it, Zeus was badass!


Of course ,we all love our Semitic prophets and their Semitic institutions, don't we? [<---the irony part]
Who is being sacrificed ,what is being conquered ,think twice?

[Legion]

The Ottoman Empire did a big part in spreading the sinister Semitic belief system of the savage sand people. Phallahu Akbar.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Anusiya will you focus for Tengri,Christ ,Thor ,Zeus or whatevers sake..

It is Semitic (including Christianity) vs Non Semitic Pagan religions
not another damn Turkish -Greek dogfight..

You are doing nothing but deraling a nice topic with your lame posts.

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

Well, you yourself stated that the creation myth in the Bible is just that: myth. Not believing in the literal interpretation of the Bible as the inerrant Word of God will get you labelled a heretic in both the Reformist and Catholic Church. So you are a heretic. And a very confused one at that. I respect the fact you are an adherent of theism, which is more than I can say for 90% of the people here, but you are currently in a literalist, and material trap, just like everyone else. I don't fear the ignorant masses at all. I am constantly at war with the masses, their herd mentality, and their popular opinion. You, on the other hand, need to come out of it and embrace the Traditional Sciences!

A myth can be true or false. Sometimes myths are true told in a traditional story format for example.

[Englisc]

I've never understood the huge debate over Hitler's religion. Even those of us who admire some of Hitler's beliefs and actions, should come to our own conclusions on religion instead of following whatever he believed in.

[StonyArabia]

Yes he did and many Nazi rituals were modeled after Nordo-Germanic paganism. Nordo-Germanic paganism is quite interesting.

[Grumpy Cat]

Actually, Hitler was a Christian and criticized those who were trying to reconstruct Germanic paganism.

He also banned the practice of Hexerei, traditional Germanic magic used for healing and is a remnant of paganism that survived conversion. Hexerei died out in Germany as a result but is still practised among German descendants in the US.

[Diërker]

Really? Well good. This seems to be a great wake-up call for you stupid fucking americans wannabe nazis. Get the fuck out of america.

[Diërker]

Actually, Hitler was a Christian and criticized those who were trying to reconstruct Germanic paganism.

He also banned the practice of Hexerei, traditional Germanic magic used for healing and is a remnant of paganism that survived conversion. Hexerei died out in Germany as a result but is still practised among German descendants in the US.

You must be stupid or just mentally retarded. "The adult Adolf Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion fit for slaves, and a rebellion against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler)

[Grumpy Cat]

You must be stupid or just mentally retarded. "The adult Adolf Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion fit for slaves, and a rebellion against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler)

Because Wikipedia is always reliable. :picard1:

Hitler's own words:


I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a profound contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the nation they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his own interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of themselves. Notwithstanding their complete fecklessness, which is an established fact, they pretend to know everything better than other people; so much so that they make themselves a veritable nuisance to all sincere and honest patriots, to whom not only the heroism of the past is worthy of honour but who also feel bound to leave examples of their own work for the inspiration of the coming generation.

From page 205 in Mein Kampf

I am neither stupid or mentally retarted. The fact that you were only capable of using a personal attack when you were disagreeing with me proves that you are. ;)

[Diërker]

Because Wikipedia is always reliable. :picard1:

Hitler's own words:



From page 205 in Mein Kampf

I am neither stupid or mentally retarted. The fact that you were only capable of using a personal attack when you were disagreeing with me proves that you are. ;)

of course you would know exactly what page hitler said such nonsense. hitlerovkina

[Grumpy Cat]

of course you would know exactly what page hitler said such nonsense. hitlerovkina

Actually I had to look it up. OK, keep up with the ad hominems.

[Diërker]

Actually I had to look it up. OK, keep up with the ad hominems.

educate me on this term " ad homonems "

[Insuperable]

Because Wikipedia is always reliable. :picard1:

Hitler's own words:



From page 205 in Mein Kampf

I am neither stupid or mentally retarted. The fact that you were only capable of using a personal attack when you were disagreeing with me proves that you are. ;)

I think that he was in public a Christian and behind closed doors something else. Propaganda.
If we are going to follow Hitler's Table talk we can conclude that he was a complex man because of his perplexing statements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_Table_Talk
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/hitlers-war-on-christianity-quotes/

However, how much authentic is Hitler's table talk is an another thing to discuss.

[Grumpy Cat]

educate me on this term " ad homonems "

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

[Diërker]

niggas straight out from compton were scared of big ass nigga hitler. so all this talk is irrelevant to the fact ADOLF HITLER was fye as fuck!

[Diërker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Q2GRUP3hE

[Grumpy Cat]

I think that he was in public a Christian and behind closed doors something else. Propaganda.
If we are going to follow Hitler's Table talk we can conclude that he was a complex man because of his perplexing statements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_Table_Talk
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/hitlers-war-on-christianity-quotes/

However, how authentic is Hitler's table talk is an another thing to discuss.

Cool cool. Thanks for responding and showing to Juka how an intelligent person engages in debate. I will take a look around for Hitler's table talks, however, I will need to find other sites because the two links you gave to me are unreliable as one is Wikipedia (any idiot can edit it) and the other has the word "conservative" in URL so I can only imagine a pro-Christian bias.

From my understanding, Hitler was a Catholic and thought Germanic reconstructionists were wasting their time, and as far as paganism went, he had more respect for the Roman religion than the Germanic one. He also spend a lot of time trying to link Germans to both the ancient Romans and to the people of the Bible, and collected religious artifacts in an effort to find evidence to prove it.

[Óttar]

Several Germanic neo-Heathens of that time were sent to the camps. Hitler thought the ancient Germanic religion was "moribund." He instead advocated a perverse kind of Christianity that would be utilized to further the Party's agenda.

[Insuperable]

Cool cool. Thanks for responding and showing to Juka how an intelligent person engages in debate. I will take a look around for Hitler's table talks, however, I will need to find other sites because the two links you gave to me are unreliable as one is Wikipedia (any idiot can edit it) and the other has the word "conservative" in URL so I can only imagine a pro-Christian bias.


It can not be that much unreliable as long as there are some references there. Start from them!

[Grumpy Cat]

It can not be that much unreliable as long as there are some references there. Start from them!

Yeah. You got something for me to read tomorrow.

[1stLightHorse]

I think Himmler is the best man to study when it comes to hatred of Christianity. He was the one indoctrinating the SS in Wewelsburg.
Hitler was a smart man, appealling publicly as a Christian, and wiping out Christianity by indoctrinating the youth with the new religion, as the older generations died. Change the childrens religion behind closed doors away from the eyes of elders.

I think it was influenced by Germanic paganism, but it wasn't entirely a recreation, i think there were new elements.

[Grumpy Cat]

I think Himmler is the best man to study when it comes to hatred of Christianity. He was the one indoctrinating the SS in Wewelsburg.
Hitler was a smart man, appealling publicly as a Christian, and wiping out Christianity by indoctrinating the youth with the new religion, as the older generations died. Change the childrens religion behind closed doors away from the eyes of elders.

I think it was influenced by Germanic paganism, but it wasn't entirely a recreation, i think there were new elements.

Yeah I believe Himmler dabbled in a mix of Germanic and Roman occult, as well as some Eastern faiths, and made it into a new forum of occultism.