How do you define "swartiness" [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 05:42 AM

I see the word "swarthy" has been very famous recently here, but I can't understand what most have in mind. Are dark hair and eyes enough to be labeled "swarthy" or it is only skin tone? Or combination of the three factors? If it is the skin tone, where on the scale of human skin colors "swarthy" tones are? Which numbers?

P.S. Here "swarthy" is more used for an insult, mentioning someone is gypsy/turk or having such ancestry.

Will

07-21-2009, 07:38 AM

It's a matter of interpretation. Some describe it differently than others.

I personally don't look at skin tone, since it isn't a very good indicator of purity. The hardcore Nordicists would disagree but that's my opinion anyhow.

Jarl

07-21-2009, 07:40 AM

Von Luschan's chromatic scale

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg/400px-Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg.png

type I: von Luschan 1-5 (very light).
type II: von Luschan 6-10 (light).
type III: von Luschan 11-15 (intermediate).
type IV: von Luschan 16-20 ("Mediterranean").
type V: von Luschan 21-28 (dark or "brown").
type VI: von Luschan 29-36 (very dark or "black").

Basically all naturally light olive skin types, and darker...

Loki

07-21-2009, 07:56 AM

Jarl

07-21-2009, 08:04 AM

Is it me or are 1-14 just white? :confused:

Yeah some of these shades are ghostly white. Additionally, all 1 to 14 shades appear sort of mixed up to me :)

Here's a pic of an actual scale:

http://www.colourlovers.com/uploads/2008/08/skin-tone-scale.jpg

...but it looks not much different. Actually, no 1 looks a bit greenish ;)

Loki

07-21-2009, 08:12 AM

My skin colour doesn't look anything like those colours. It's pinkish.

Jarl

07-21-2009, 08:31 AM

My skin colour doesn't look anything like those colours. It's pinkish.

Most white skin tones appear pinkish. I guess the colours on the scale have faded away with age. Or perhaps it's not the best quailty picture.

That reminds me of a certain story. I once read an old Russian book about a boy who lived in Odessa before the revolution. His father sent him to a local school, and once, in a geography class, he was taught about human races. While looking at the plates depicting the races, to his amazement, he noticed that the Yellow Race was indeed yellow, Black was pitch dark, while the White Race was not really white, yet pinkish ;)

quotablepatella

07-21-2009, 09:11 AM

I've known people who had dark brown hair and very dark brown eyes, but both were no darker-skinned than the average white British person and both were of full European ancestry (one was English-Irish, the other English and part Polish).

As for my skin, it can be quite pale, with a lot of veins showing and doesn't have too much of a pinkish tone.

Äike

07-21-2009, 09:41 AM

I define "swarthy" as the average Russian that I see daily. Dark brown eyes, black hair, olive skin tone(can be darker) and sometimes mongoloid facial traits.

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 10:33 AM

What is "olive" tone exactly?
My skin is not pinkish but white with some yellowish and lots of veins showing even on my face, especially if I don't feel quite good.

However, I don't think that calling Mongoloids Yellow race is correct, since they also very in skin tone - from very white (many Koreans and Japanese) to quite dark (Philippines).

Jarl

07-21-2009, 10:46 AM

What is "olive" tone exactly?

Id say olive tone is the stage when your natural skin colour appears more pigmented than pink.

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 10:48 AM

That is the area between my neck and shoulder (protected from sun). Can't determinate which number is that.

Freomæg

07-21-2009, 10:50 AM

I could be "swarthy" for all I care. It really is a useless term when what matters is the ancestry, not the look.

Äike

07-21-2009, 10:50 AM

That is the area between my neck and shoulder (protected from sun). Can't determinate which number is that.

That's definitely not a olive skin tone.

Jarl

07-21-2009, 10:52 AM

That is the area between my neck and shoulder (protected from sun). Can't determinate which number is that.

;) I am not certain, however I find it slightly arousing... do you have any other "areas" to show??? :P

Loki

07-21-2009, 10:53 AM

That is the area between my neck and shoulder (protected from sun). Can't determinate which number is that.

Another matter is lighting. Skin tone looks different in sunlight than indoors. Depends where the photo is taken.

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 10:59 AM

Another matter is lighting. Skin tone looks different in sunlight than indoors. Depends where the photo is taken.
Mixed, moderate daylight indoors, not direct sunlight.
Well, some would find even a piece of skin arousing. I won't carry any responsibility for others fetishes...

Äike

07-21-2009, 11:00 AM

By swarthy, I mean people like this:
http://pics.limpa.ru/dating/1/1/1/11131416135.jpg

http://pics.limpa.ru/dating/1/a/7/1a701416358.jpg

http://pics.limpa.ru/dating/1/4/6/14611416014.jpg

http://pics.limpa.ru/dating/1/3/d/13df1405893.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd29/BerniceMakeupArtist/B-My%20portfolio/_DSC0026_copy1.jpg?t=1248173230

Treffie

07-21-2009, 11:01 AM

Another matter is lighting. Skin tone looks different in sunlight than indoors. Depends where the photo is taken.

In this light (indoors, no lighting), my hands range from 21-25 :eek:

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 11:03 AM

I think the last girl has some artificial tan. Anyway, all would pass in Southern Europe and Balkans.

In this light, my hands range from 21-25
Hands are most exposed on light, so they are usually few tones darker than rest of your body, especially if you are able to tan easily.

Osweo

07-21-2009, 11:06 AM

;) I am not certain, however I find it slightly arousing... do you have any other "areas" to show??? :P
It begins... I warned you, Artischka!!! :D

In this light, my hands range from 21-25 :eek:
I believe you're meant to measure the skin of your inner upper arm. Preferably after your post-coalpit bath, too...

Freomæg

07-21-2009, 11:10 AM

I believe you're meant to measure the skin of your inner upper arm.
Crikey. I'm translucent there. :eek:

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 11:14 AM

The vein under my eye, winter indoors (hope that one is not so sexy) :D

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 11:19 AM

Swarthiness:

http://www.datingthatclicks.com/img/GreekWoman.jpg

:D

However for me, swarthiness is not about pigmentation alone, but also about overall physiognomy and behavior.

Individuals with a "greasy", disrespectful and boisterous behavior are more likely to be called swarthy by myself, than merely darker-skinned people who don't possess such character traits. ;)

Osweo

07-21-2009, 11:21 AM

Artischichka has a lot to learn about male sexuality... Even I, gentleman that I am, couldn't resist clicking on the thumbnail to get a full appreciation of the last pic... :P

lei.talk

07-21-2009, 11:31 AM

hope that one is not so sexy :D
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2258&d=1248174806that would depend
on whether it pulsates
:icon_twisted: just before you bite (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58832#post58832).:icon_twisted:

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 11:32 AM

Seems I'm surrounded by vampires. First the neck, now the veins...

Beorn

07-21-2009, 12:56 PM

Considering what 'swarthy' also mean, there are an incredibly high number of swarthy people on this board.

EDIT: http://www.allwords.com/word-swarthy.html

Zankapfel

07-21-2009, 01:33 PM

I had never heard the word swarthy until about a year ago.
But I suppose it applies to most people with "dark" features and skin tone.
I dye my hair black yet have been told I don't pass the swarthy test (I'm about a 7 in that awful innacurate skintone chart and have quite light eyes).

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 01:39 PM

Guess I don't qualify as swarthy either. :D

Or maybe semi-swarthy :thumb001::D

Angantyr

07-21-2009, 01:43 PM

I use the Inese-scale as my standard. Anyone darker than Inese is swarthy. :D

Beorn

07-21-2009, 01:44 PM

Anyone darker than Inese is swarthy. :D

The Devil? :confused:

Jarl

07-21-2009, 01:48 PM

Guess I don't qualify as swarthy either. :D Or maybe semi-swarthy :thumb001::D

You've got a pretty, slim neck - that's for certain! :thumb001:

P.S.

Enjoyed the penguins???

I use the Inese-scale as my standard. Anyone darker than Inese is swarthy. :D

Shucks! Is there any such person? That cannot be! And I thought Latvia is the Nordick heartland...:mmmm:

Lulletje Rozewater

07-21-2009, 04:15 PM

Luern

07-21-2009, 05:48 PM

Someone who happens to be darker than us is swarthy.

I would be swarthy in the British isles, this man I would consider swarthy here.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/496318149_c0296b73d1.jpg?v=0

Will

07-21-2009, 05:57 PM

I'm not swarthy either I suppose. Well, my arms are tanned but the sun is to blame for that. That's what I get for being a Floridian.

Vargtand

07-21-2009, 05:57 PM

well personally I'd use the term to describe someone with ape like features, overall primitive and of course dark skin and dark hair, and dark eyes, but to be honest they can be dark skinned dark hair and dark eyed without me calling them swarty, those I'd call negros.

Æmeric

07-21-2009, 06:21 PM

http://www.ecoautoninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/penelope-cruz.jpg

Spanish

http://www.azucarbg.com/web/images/stories/Artists/julioiglesias/julio_iglesias.jpg

Spanish

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1063968/CSH-03841740085.jpg

Italian - Southern or Sicilian.

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/img/cast/actor/vincent_pastore.jpg

Italian - Southern or Sicilian.

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 06:31 PM

^ If it wasn't for the men I'd think this is Wat Tyler posting in the "Beautiful European Women" thread :D :p

Beorn

07-21-2009, 06:44 PM

http://www.ecoautoninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/penelope-cruz.jpg

:iloveyou:

Osweo

07-21-2009, 06:47 PM

Hehe Wat, good one, but don't you think it'd be awfully difficult kissing the wench, what with her nose so disturbingly close to her top lip? :P She's alright, I'll give her that, but I've seen nicer!

Luern

07-21-2009, 06:50 PM

Being swarthy offers a considerable advantage over lightness. You won't be bullied by extra-Europeans, they will spot the fair ones first.

Beorn

07-21-2009, 06:56 PM

...don't you think it'd be awfully difficult kissing the wench, what with her nose so disturbingly close to her top lip?

We can do other things besides kiss. :dev

Yeah, you are right, she does have that, but then all women have a flaw.

Tony

07-21-2009, 07:01 PM

Penelope Cruz isn't a swarthy (now I got how to translate this term , it means terroni or terùn here) , she's ruined by tan and bad lights when get photographed , she's really lightskinned.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2117/pennycruce2.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2485875731_422b4515e6_o.jpg

ps I've a gorgeous pic of her looking like an Irish but don't works argh

Beorn

07-21-2009, 07:10 PM

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2117/pennycruce2.jpg

She looks the spit of a few girls I know round my way. In fact, by this picture, I would say those girls are more "swarthy" than Cruz.

jerney

07-21-2009, 07:14 PM

I use the Inese-scale as my standard. Anyone darker than Inese is swarthy. :D

She's clearly not "swarthy", but she has a very even, golden tan imo. Not pale at all or remarkably light.

Tony

07-21-2009, 07:15 PM

She looks the spit of a few girls I know round my way. In fact, by this picture, I would say those girls are more "swarthy" than Cruz.
(of course)

Can you look it Wat?I can just see a red cross...
by the way I've found a smaller image on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3656634445_7ab8fb2d19_o.jpg

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 07:16 PM

She's clearly not "swarthy", but she has a very even, golden tan imo. Not pale at all or remarkably light.
Well...on a side note, here, nordics are famous for that "golden tan"...

Somewhere there was an article where an english journalist was complaining about Swedes, "how can they be paler than us in the winter and yet get this bronze tan in the summer, whereas we become red like the monkey's ass?" :D

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 07:37 PM

Can you post pictures of Nordids with "golden tan"? Do you mean the non reddish/pinkish ones?

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 07:48 PM

Can you post pictures of Nordids with "golden tan"? Do you mean the non reddish/pinkish ones?
Swedish bikini team! :D

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv123/TEAMCasting/TEAM%20Models/SwedishBikiniTEAM.jpg
http://www.steveeray.com/sweden/sbt.jpg

Luern

07-21-2009, 07:50 PM

Any picture taken in a Spanish seaside resort will do. ;)

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 07:51 PM

LOL, now your reputation level will arouse dramatically:)

That is just a tan, nothing special.

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 07:52 PM

That is just a tan, nothing special.

I merely pointed out the difference between a "bronze" or "golden" tan versus anglo/celtic pinkish skin tone that only gets red in the sun :)

Vulpix

07-21-2009, 08:35 PM

Well...on a side note, here, nordics are famous for that "golden tan"...

Indeed.

Óttar

07-21-2009, 08:50 PM

I was expecting this thread to say "How do you define an Albanian?" :D and it's about just as useful.

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 08:53 PM

I was expecting this thread to say "How do you define an Albanian?" :D and it's about just as useful.
I perfectly know that is not the most intelligent thread at all, just as using "swarthy people" labels in almost half of your posts, without explaining what you mean with that.

Óttar

07-21-2009, 09:14 PM

I perfectly know that is not the most intelligent thread at all, just as using "swarthy people" labels in almost half of your posts, without explaining what you mean with that.

Me, personally? You mean them using "swarthy" in their posts. I hardly ever use the word "swarthy."

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 09:16 PM

Me, personally? You mean them using "swarthy" in their posts. I hardly ever use the word "swarthy."
Obviously, I wasn't talking about you :D

Zankapfel

07-21-2009, 10:09 PM

I merely pointed out the difference between a "bronze" or "golden" tan versus anglo/celtic pinkish skin tone that only gets red in the sun :)

You mean this? ↓ It's not exclusively anglo I'm afraid (:

http://imgs.icepic.de/strand.jpg

Brynhild

07-21-2009, 10:09 PM

And the foregone conclusion to all of this would be? :rolleyes2:

Absinthe

07-21-2009, 10:09 PM

You mean this? ↓ It's not exclusively anglo I'm afraid (:

http://imgs.icepic.de/strand.jpg
Yes, that is the pink skin tone that does not tan :)

Osweo

07-21-2009, 10:27 PM

I saw all these funny golden Norse people coming back home in the lufthavn in Oslo. We'd already figured out that the oddly deserted towns of the Norwegian west were the result of everyone sodding off to Cyprus/Canaries/Spain etc. for the Summer holidays, and received our confirmation at the airport. They truly are an odd yellowy colour, that you don't see in Britain or Russia, and I stood out quite strongly with my solidly brown forearms and calves. The odd flash of my creamy-white upper-arms and thighs notwithstanding...

Tabiti

07-21-2009, 10:29 PM

Strange, after so many people claim that Nordisch race is unable to tan at all ;)

Vulpix

07-21-2009, 10:31 PM

Strange, after so many people claim that Nordisch race is unable to tan at all ;)

It depends on what is meant by Nordish.

Zankapfel

07-21-2009, 11:06 PM

Yes, that is the pink skin tone that does not tan :)

It does if you have these, no orange streaks:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41-YiYP5LvL._SS500_.jpg

Vulpix

07-21-2009, 11:12 PM

^That's cheating :p

Angantyr

07-21-2009, 11:13 PM

Yes, that is the pink skin tone that does not tan :)

I prefer the pink skin that does not tan. As it is, I find tans very unatractive. Although I do not mind a couple of freckles. As they say, "de gustibus non disputandum."

Vargtand

07-21-2009, 11:31 PM

Well...on a side note, here, nordics are famous for that "golden tan"...

I shall try to find a picture of me when I was very young, it was a perfect summer and I was darker then the only foreign kids we had at my school, who happened to be Negroes.

My pigmentation, which I have gotten from my mother, can tan extremely dark, thanks to it though I'm never going to be ghost white. well close but still a bit darker than most swedes in my area. which I find so funny as the last foreign admixture in family is two people, don't even know if they are men or women, roughly 20 generations back, and they are Walloon, not exactly the definition of dark stranger... :P

Brännvin

07-21-2009, 11:46 PM

A large majority of Swedes can get the famous golden tan, others not..

Æmeric

07-22-2009, 12:32 AM

I shall try to find a picture of me when I was very young, it was a perfect summer and I was darker then the only foreign kids we had at my school, who happened to be Negroes.

My pigmentation, which I have gotten from my mother, can tan extremely dark, thanks to it though I'm never going to be ghost white. well close but still a bit darker than most swedes in my area. which I find so funny as the last foreign admixture in family is two people, don't even know if they are men or women, roughly 20 generations back, and they are Walloon, not exactly the definition of dark stranger... :P

You must be the type of Swede Benjamin Franklin had in mind when he called the Swedes swarthy.

Vargtand

07-22-2009, 12:49 AM

You must be the type of Swede Benjamin Franklin had in mind when he called the Swedes swarthy.

Maybe but I'm quite rare, I bet Benjamin Franklin just saw Swedish farmers who worked in the sun all day. but at any rate, you've seen my picture, I don't think I look swarty at any rate :P

Angharad

07-22-2009, 06:45 AM

That Von Luschan photo earlier in the thread is overexposed. I wish it, and the chart from it would be banished from Wikipedia forever. :rolleyes2:

I've attached a more accurate one here of the lighter shades. It is small, but it is the only good photo of it I've ever seen.

For me, only 1-3 and maybe 7-9 are the non-swarthy shades since they are supposed to be untanned skin.

Vulpix

07-22-2009, 06:46 AM

^Is that the biggest resolution available?

Angharad

07-22-2009, 06:47 AM

I am afraid so. :(

Creeping Death

07-22-2009, 07:53 AM

but I can't understand what most have in mind.
Does this help:
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/President+Madame+Sarkozy+Attend+Function+French+or UzXSPhzi0l.jpg

http://www.messianicminutes.com/images/tedpic.jpg

http://isi.cbs.nl/Nlet/images/N86_RaoCR.png

Lulletje Rozewater

07-22-2009, 08:30 AM

http://i29.tinypic.com/23lku86.jpg

EWtt

07-22-2009, 01:24 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Map_of_skin_hue_equi3.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg/400px-Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg.png

Inese

07-22-2009, 03:42 PM

Okay i define swarthyness as Southern people with traits who show mixed or exotic influence!! And some people can be full European but look swarthy , not only in Southern Europe. You can see it in the eyes and the area below the eyes and in their dirty skin color.

Examples from the " beautiful " women thread!

http://i28.tinypic.com/2afk01w.jpg

http://grrlplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/penelope_cruz300.jpg

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/52/l_66795694ff5541558281cd855e09464e.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/l_3cdffdc9319e53b9264a28b1e8ce78a1.jpg

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/76499148.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193633F7A37F02F3BA5E4579A2F41B5CD08 284831B75F48EF45

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n284/MACDRIVE/STACKED/Gianna_Michaels.jpg?t=1247699983

And more. hm i know Tabiti has directed the thread indirect to me and my opinion and i answer to her: Yes you too. No attack only my view!!

She's clearly not "swarthy", but she has a very even, golden tan imo. Not pale at all or remarkably light.
I am not pale like a albino but i am not tanned and i dont go in to the sun often. Sun-tan harms the skin and let it age earlier. It is the first time i hear that i have golden tan! :rolleyes: I am normal white like many Baltic or Germanic people.

Here my " spaghetti" arm ( if it goes after Phlegeton you know? ) and explain me where is "golden tan"?? :rolleyes2: O.o

Jarl

07-22-2009, 03:45 PM

LOL, now your reputation level will arouse dramatically:) ...

well spoken! :laugh:

Tabiti

07-22-2009, 03:50 PM

And more. hm i know Tabiti has directed the thread indirect to me and my opinion and i answer to her: Yes you too.
Since, I perfectly know your opinion, therefore the whole thread wasn't directed to you, sorry for not being the main star here. ;)

Freomæg

07-22-2009, 03:53 PM

Inese, am I swarthy?

Vargtand

07-22-2009, 03:57 PM

I'm just curious, would I be defined as swarty by anyone of you guys?

Äike

07-22-2009, 04:00 PM

Inese thinks that everyone are swarthy expect her:....

Beorn

07-22-2009, 04:02 PM

I'm just curious, would I be defined as swarty by anyone of you guys?

I certainly wouldn't place you in my perception of swarthy, but if I didn't know you were Swedish I would not have considered you as Swedish.

I would have thought of such countries like Germany or Holland before Sweden.

Tony

07-22-2009, 04:02 PM

Well Inese I'd choose 10 times Penelope Cruz instead of any pale-skinned Jenna Bush...
you're making the error to consider what is Euro basicly on what Latvians and their neighbours look like.
And most of all , you're not an anthropologist so why are you so sure in racially classifying other people??

In my view the skintone is not the main signal of racial identity , seems to be influenced by the climate and weather conditions , I find the most depigmented Europeans to be the Dutch , the Irish and the Britons , all of them living in a predominatly foggy misty cold dark environment.
Also Orientals are lightskinned since their environment is similar , those of'em who have migrated into Americas (and are called "natives") hadn't have enough time from an evolutionary point of view to develop a black pigmentatio like the blacks who live in Africa ad the very same latitudes.

Vargtand

07-22-2009, 04:07 PM

I certainly wouldn't place you in my perception of swarthy, but if I didn't know you were Swedish I would not have considered you as Swedish.

I would have thought of such countries like Germany or Holland before Sweden.

Hehe, yeah hell for what it is worth my mother thinks I look american so :P
Thing is I've been in many countries and never have anyone thought I was from that country, with the exception of sweden, and everyone says but you don't look swedish, and say that I look umm german I've heard not from germans though, but strangely there seems to be many who think I look greek! of all the... I'm closer to a polarbear than a greek!:mad::mad::mad::p

Inese

07-22-2009, 04:07 PM

Inese, am I swarthy?
Hm how should i know this?? :confused:

Inese thinks that everyone are swarthy expect her:....
No that is total wrong! From the member photo thread i think only two or three people are swarthy from my view okay?

Dont make fun about me the topic is "what do you define as swarthyness" and here is my open and honest answer!
And i want to know how there is "golden tan" on my arms? ^_^ :D Because there is no golden tan.

Zankapfel

07-22-2009, 04:09 PM

LOL. Why does anyone even care?
And my impression is that Inese is getting a lot of shit over using a word she most likely picked around these boards just like I did.
The whole swarthy argument is lame, caring about whether you are deemed swarthy or not is even lamer.
And "classic" physical anthropology, really? Who needs that crap now that we have modern genetics to rely on.

Osweo

07-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Am I swarthy?

Beorn

07-22-2009, 04:12 PM

Am I swarthy?

Jesus, man! Don't scare the girl. :p

Jarl

07-22-2009, 04:13 PM

Inese, am I swarthy?

Goddamit! How insolent! You are as dark as a troll! :D Not fit to breathe in the pure blonde English air.

Brännvin

07-22-2009, 04:14 PM

It is the first time i hear that i have golden tan! :rolleyes:

I can get a golden tan :P

I am normal white like many Baltic or Germanic people.

So if I get a super golden tan, am I not "Germanic" anymore? :D

Jarl

07-22-2009, 04:14 PM

I'm just curious, would I be defined as swarty by anyone of you guys?

...unless you're an albino! :P

Vargtand

07-22-2009, 04:15 PM

I can get a golden tan :P

So if I get a super golden tan, am I not "Germanic" anymore? :D

In this weather? pff you wish.

Jarl

07-22-2009, 04:17 PM

:D Hey Inese! I fear Im getting darker in certain places - you think Im being negrified?Would you have a look at my pics??? :P

Hm how should i know this?? :confused:?

Come on! You're the expert on this! ;)

Vargtand

07-22-2009, 04:23 PM

:D Hey Inese! I fear Im getting darker in certain places - you think Im being negrified?Would you have a look at my pics??? :P

Come on! You're the expert on this! ;)

Come on, be nice towards her.

Jarl

07-22-2009, 04:35 PM

Come on, be nice towards her.

I am trying hard ;)

EDIT: yeah! it's not that easy as one might think :mad::rolleyes2::lightbul:

Absinthe

07-22-2009, 05:47 PM

Am I swarthy?
Yes!! :D

Skandi

07-22-2009, 05:55 PM

The question is not am I swarty, but does it matter? I could ask are you light? would that be taken like an insult?

Come on people we are acting like the blacks when they place so much stock in exact shade of brown, can't be too light can't be too dark. It does not really matter. Europe is a big place, of course there are going to be regional variations, we need to embrace these and enjoy them, not argue over who is better or worse because of it. I would agree that we should attempt to keep these variations, but that should not mean resorting to insults.

Luern

07-22-2009, 06:22 PM

Tabiti

07-22-2009, 06:27 PM

^she looks gipsy (traits, not only skin color).

Osweo

07-22-2009, 06:47 PM

^she looks gipsy (traits, not only skin color).
She doesn't look Gypsy to me. More Uralid, something from the Steppe.

Luern

07-22-2009, 07:05 PM

^she looks gipsy (traits, not only skin color).

Damn it. A good looking gypsy then? Can't be... A surreal thought. Magyars can look this exotic sometimes but I wasn't sure. Some people would speak of assimilated Gypsies for such cases.

Anyway, my point is that Europeanness is not defined by shallow concepts such as "swarthiness vs lightness". As I see that anything revolves around pigmentation for many here, I'd simply point out to them that one can be fair and alien to Europe nonetheless by one's behaviour and one's mind.

It's both about soma and psyche. This woman could easily fit in Europe while many Americans, quite frankly would not qualify. Nothing is granted by your physical appearance only.

jerney

07-22-2009, 07:45 PM

I am not pale like a albino but i am not tanned and i dont go in to the sun often. Sun-tan harms the skin and let it age earlier. It is the first time i hear that i have golden tan! :rolleyes: I am normal white like many Baltic or Germanic people.

Here my " spaghetti" arm ( if it goes after Phlegeton you know? ) and explain me where is "golden tan"?? :rolleyes2: O.o

Many north Germanics have golden tans too, I'm not saying it's foreign or bad, but that is not what I call "pale", or the epitome of light skinned. If you were to put your arm next to my arm, you would see what I'm talking about.

Absinthe

07-22-2009, 08:53 PM

Epic swarthiness! :clap:

http://www.kerstinalm.com/images/portfolio/gg07_KenDavitian.jpg

Inese

07-22-2009, 09:44 PM

I ignore the bad provocations (who is childish please??? :rolleyes2: ) , my opinion is my opinion. But please i want a answer to my question where and how i have "golden tan"! Some say i have and i ask where ok?? My "spaghetti" arm

http://i31.tinypic.com/2cnw6ls.jpg

Golden tan?? :rolleyes: I have total no tan and i am not lying in the sun --- i dont go in direct sun often , i protect my skin!

Jarl

07-22-2009, 09:48 PM

She doesn't look Gypsy to me. More Uralid, something from the Steppe.

"Something"....

http://www.horrorstew.com/images/CreatureFromTheBlackLagoon.jpg

;)

Skandi

07-22-2009, 09:55 PM

Golden tan?? :rolleyes: I have total no tan and i am not lying in the sun --- i dont go in direct sun often , i protect my skin!
Did they mean that you could gain a golden tan? or that you have. Two rather different things, for me I "tan" orange!

Zankapfel

07-23-2009, 03:33 AM

Golden tan?? :rolleyes: I have total no tan and i am not lying in the sun --- i dont go in direct sun often , i protect my skin!

Maybe they mean your complexion does not seem as pale when compared to totally un-tan skin such as this (another proud spaghetti) arm?

http://imgs.icepic.de/grass.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2cnw6ls.jpg

Still I'm not sure you're "golden", seems just creamy-coloured to me.

Goidelic

07-23-2009, 03:38 AM

She doesn't look Gypsy to me. More Uralid, something from the Steppe.

She looked like a tanned Baltid/Alpinoid Hungarian with Uralid influence.

Amarantine

07-23-2009, 07:02 AM

^she looks gipsy (traits, not only skin color).

No she doesn't, she is too big for them, and she is tanned. Other features are quite usuall, gypsies don't have such face features, such prominent chin, and jaws as she, they have somehow round faces ...hm I don't know how to explain, they have "indid" features, but again special one.

Freomæg

07-23-2009, 07:40 AM

http://imgs.icepic.de/grass.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2cnw6ls.jpg

The second picture looks swarthy... I'm an expert. Who's it a picture of? ;)

Luern

07-23-2009, 08:14 AM

She doesn't look Gypsy to me. More Uralid, something from the Steppe.

Let me see... Something like a Magyar?

No she doesn't, she is too big for them, and she is tanned. Other features are quite usuall, gypsies don't have such face features, such prominent chin, and jaws as she, they have somehow round faces ...hm I don't know how to explain, they have "indid" features, but again special one.

You're right. Simply Magyarok. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/fwink.gif

Tabiti

07-23-2009, 10:25 AM

I've seen lots of gypsies with pseudo Uralid faces, reminding me of that girl - slanted eyes, high and broad cheekbones, bigger jaws but narrower face. I'm also not sure if a Baltid is able to tan so heavily.

P.S. Could that be named "golden" (currently my darkest part, you even can see the traces left by my rings. Yeah, it is swarthy;), I know, but golden)?

Osweo

07-23-2009, 10:40 AM

P.S. Could that be named "golden" (currently my darkest part, you even can see the traces left by my rings. Yeah, it is swarthy;), I know, but golden)?

No way golden. As I understood it, the 'golden' term came up when we were talking about Swedes holidaying in the South. I recently saw a lot of Norwegian girls in the airport that I would describe as strikingly golden (I hadn't seen the like before in any great numbers), and the skin of your slender, well formed, elegant, shapely and delectable little hand does not conform to this.

By the way, the Frankenstein's Artischka that I'm constructing slowly but surely, piece by piece, may turn out to have two right hands at the moment. But I try to look on that as a useful adaptation. Unless feet are forthcoming any time soon, she may have to walk on a further pair of the same... Excellent arboreal locomotion is guaranteed, at least...

Tabiti

07-23-2009, 10:47 AM

Northern Europeans with tan look "bronze", not "golden" for me and maybe we are using different terms for one thing, that's why there was a certain misunderstood what "golden" tan really is (thought it should be yellowish).

OK, no more erotic pieces like veins, clavicles, fingers and skin patches, I promise...

Osweo

07-23-2009, 10:57 AM

:cry

Revenant

07-23-2009, 10:59 AM

The truck driver-V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml3ybCxxMRk

Tony

07-23-2009, 01:10 PM

Random girl in Hungary (some kind of F1 Grand Prix hostess). Swarthy and exotic for sure, but as long as it is European (that is, from Europe and living in Europe) it's fine.

http://www.f1-photo.com/Gallery/2004/Hungary/Girl_2004_Hungary_02_PHC.jpg

Really Hungarian?she looks like the Argentinian chick Belèn Rodriguez...:coffee:

http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/163054_5922_big_BelenRodriguez1.jpg

http://www.clikkare.it/blog-ragazze/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/belen-rodriguez.jpg

Jarl

07-23-2009, 01:18 PM

Maybe they mean your complexion does not seem as pale when compared to totally un-tan skin such as this (another proud spaghetti) arm?

Hey! No exhibitionism please! :mad: We've got junior members on board! :wink

:lightbul:

Äike

07-23-2009, 01:22 PM

I just love how this thread turned out, 3 different women posting pictures of their body parts :D (No one of them was swarthy:thumb001:)

Jarl

07-23-2009, 02:01 PM

I just love how this thread turned out, 3 different women posting pictures of their body parts :D (No one of them was swarthy:thumb001:)

Craving for attention from the real Nordicks... as usual! :D

Luern

07-23-2009, 02:08 PM

Really Hungarian?she looks like the Argentinian chick Belèn Rodriguez...:coffee:

http://put.edidomus.it/auto/mondoauto/attualita/foto/163054_5922_big_BelenRodriguez1.jpg

http://www.clikkare.it/blog-ragazze/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/belen-rodriguez.jpg

And?

Inese

07-23-2009, 02:50 PM

Maybe they mean your complexion does not seem as pale when compared to totally un-tan skin such as this (another proud spaghetti) arm?

http://imgs.icepic.de/grass.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2cnw6ls.jpg

Still I'm not sure you're "golden", seems just creamy-coloured to me.
Okay thank i think i understand a little bit more what you mean!! :thumb001: But maybe it has also to do with the light rate on a photo?? Your skin color is a little more paler than my skin color but my skin is not "golden ". :wink

Hm we two should open a " proud spaghetti arm"-group you know!! :D

Brännvin

07-23-2009, 04:08 PM

My skin is not "golden ". :wink

Nobody said that... :shakefist

Osweo

07-23-2009, 05:16 PM

It should gleam nicely after a basting with a honey glaze and an hour or so in the oven, however... :yumyum:

Inese

07-23-2009, 07:11 PM

Nobody said that... :shakefist

Thats not true!

She's clearly not "swarthy", but she has a very even, golden tan imo. Not pale at all or remarkably light.

But she has given me a other answer now all okay.

Tony

07-23-2009, 07:33 PM

And?
And does this Belèn look gipsy to you?
that's what I meant...
to me she doesn't look gipsy at all , apart the fact that classifyng someone by looking at just one pic , small and not too refined , doesn't make any sense , it's more a joke than a real serious attempt to classify.

Luern

07-23-2009, 07:49 PM

And does this Belèn look gipsy to you?
that's what I meant...
to me she doesn't look gipsy at all , apart the fact that classifyng someone by looking at just one pic , small and not too refined , doesn't make any sense , it's more a joke than a real serious attempt to classify.

Do not skip my posts. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/fwink.gif

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=72682&postcount=113

Tabiti

07-23-2009, 07:50 PM

OK, I think that thread became quite useless now. Admins can lock it if they wish;)

P.S. The Argentinian doesn't look like gipsy, neither like the other girl, imo.

Tony

07-23-2009, 08:04 PM

Do not skip my posts. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/fwink.gif

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=72682&postcount=113

Sorry Lu :p you're right , it was Tab who made that assumption , I'm gonna take a break...:rolleyes:

Brännvin

07-23-2009, 08:23 PM

The truck driver-V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml3ybCxxMRk

From where is the "pure blonde" beer?

Now that ad gave me a desire to drink a "pure blonde" :D :yumyum:

Groenewolf

07-24-2009, 06:14 PM

Tony

07-24-2009, 08:30 PM

She looks more like a maya, or an inca.

Yeah sure :rolleyes: , I decided to give you a chance , went to Flickr and typed in Mayan woman , this is what came out...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2402/1511097333_beb0388a5a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3591/3548456787_f493dcb95f_o.jpg

an intersting close-up

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3423/3393808115_5811acb995_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/2484523072_bd3521fb05_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/1637955779_1f0336e4dd_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3018/3084952809_75d5cb1a12_o.jpg

I suppose it's enough...:coffee:

sturmwalkure

07-24-2009, 08:52 PM

Random girl in Hungary (some kind of F1 Grand Prix hostess). Swarthy and exotic for sure, but as long as it is European (that is, from Europe and living in Europe) it's fine.

http://www.f1-photo.com/Gallery/2004/Hungary/Girl_2004_Hungary_02_PHC.jpg

She resembles Serbian actress Marija Petronijević:

http://apu.mabul.org/up/apu/2008/02/03/img-1152359egao.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01y9fg30PtdkW/340x.jpg

Osweo

07-25-2009, 12:22 AM

An unflattering photo of a European woman. Without further pics of her, any opinion is worthless.

Äike

07-25-2009, 10:47 AM

I think that we can say that Oswiu is more "Nordicist" then Inese ;)

By my last negative rep comment(that made me slightly confused). I realized that Germans(yeah he's German) are too swarthy to be with Estonians. I know that Estonia is among the 4 lightest European countries and the average Estonian is more blond and light eyed then the average German. But I don't consider Germans "swarthy" at all.

Inese

07-25-2009, 11:09 AM

http://www.f1-photo.com/Gallery/2004/Hungary/Girl_2004_Hungary_02_PHC.jpg
She is very very swarthy!! Look at eyes skin and region around mouth! :rolleyes2:

I think that we can say that Oswiu is more "Nordicist" then Inese ;)
What do you mean?? Oswui has a love for Southern and Russian people!

Äike

07-25-2009, 11:21 AM

What do you mean?? Oswui has a love for Southern and Russian people!

That's why I got confused at his rep comment :D

Tony

07-25-2009, 09:29 PM

She is very very swarthy!! Look at eyes skin and region around mouth! :rolleyes2:

Sorry Inese but can't you see she's squinting her yes , most likely to avoid the direct light of the summer sun?not to mention her tanning too , not to mention , as Oswiu reminded us , that the picture isn't a frontal one.
You've got a very loose definition of swarthiness.

Jarl

07-25-2009, 09:31 PM

She is very very swarthy!! Look at eyes skin and region around mouth! :rolleyes2:

OMG!!! OMG!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Can't look! Can't even see anything! It's too dark there, too swarthy!!!

Tabiti

07-26-2009, 06:35 AM

Well, she's not light either, but obviously seems like spared too much time in sun.

Beorn

07-26-2009, 09:08 AM

http://www.f1-photo.com/Gallery/2004/Hungary/Girl_2004_Hungary_02_PHC.jpg

I spy with my little eye, an inoculation mark for tuberculosis.

Mine healed over. All I have now is my devils 666 mark.

Osweo

07-26-2009, 09:12 AM

I spy with my little eye, an inoculation mark for tuberculosis.

Ugly bloody things, aren't they? I always wondered why they don't do it on the inside of the arm, or maybe on the scalp or something. Nape of the neck wouldn't be so bad.

Tabiti

07-26-2009, 09:15 AM

Ugly bloody things, aren't they? I always wondered why they don't do it on the inside of the arm, or maybe on the scalp or something. Nape of the neck wouldn't be so bad.
I have two scars, but the one is under my tattoo now;)
BTW, seems like the newer style of immunization is harmless, because the second scar isn't so big (ordinary needle was used). Mother told me, when she was young they used something like a hot nail to make the vaccines, so their marks are huge.

Groenewolf

07-26-2009, 09:21 AM

I suppose it's enough...:coffee:

It is was more the skincolour that reminded me of that, instead of other feathures. If I would someone like her walking by, without seeing her well enough that would probaly be the first thing that would cross my mind.

Jarl

07-26-2009, 09:21 AM

I have two scars...

Right! We all know where that one ends... ;)

Tabiti

07-26-2009, 09:28 AM

No more pictures as I've promised ;)

Ariets

07-26-2009, 09:47 AM

I Poland thats how people call sometimes gypsies, Turks and people of Romania (cause there's so many of gypsies, not cause they are so dark).

Inese

07-26-2009, 12:06 PM

Sorry Inese but can't you see she's squinting her yes , most likely to avoid the direct light of the summer sun?not to mention her tanning too , not to mention , as Oswiu reminded us , that the picture isn't a frontal one.
You've got a very loose definition of swarthiness.
You defend any swarthy person in this thread!! :rolleyes: My defintion of swarthy is a other than your definition, it is okay because you are Italian and it is very clear that you have other standards in a southern and mediterran country!! Let me my opinion and i let you your opinion.

Beorn

07-26-2009, 12:11 PM

You defend any swarthy person in this thread!! :rolleyes:

Just like you attack any "swarthies" in this thread. :)

Luern

07-31-2009, 07:42 PM

She is very very swarthy!! Look at eyes skin and region around mouth! :rolleyes2:

Wow Sharp eyes. 8-)

Bridie

02-27-2010, 11:59 AM

You mean this? ↓ It's not exclusively anglo I'm afraid (:

http://imgs.icepic.de/strand.jpg

Yes, that is the pink skin tone that does not tan :)The only people I've ever seen that don't tan at all, but just go red in the sun are redheads and some people with pale blonde hair.... all of which have a strong tendency to freckle. My Dad is such a blonde. Looks quite distinctive from Scandinavian blondes though, I think....

Murphy

02-27-2010, 02:46 PM

Peachy Carnahan

02-27-2010, 03:26 PM

Murphy

02-27-2010, 03:34 PM

I would exterminate them all without blinking an eye.

What gives you the right to exterminate a people?

Peachy Carnahan

02-27-2010, 03:41 PM

What gives you the right to exterminate a people?

Because im a nazi...thats our MO...thats how we roll nigga.

Murphy

02-27-2010, 03:45 PM

Because im a nazi...thats our MO...thats how we roll nigga.

Genocide is such a laughing matter. If you were simply employing hyperbole in your earlier post, fair enough.. in poor taste, but fair enough. But if not.. please explain what gives you the right to exterminate a people?

Tony

02-27-2010, 03:55 PM

If you mean swarthy as an insult then id say these people in the pic.
Rom zingari that seem to abound here in Roma....disgusting leech like filth that they are.
I would exterminate them all without blinking an eye.
Don't kill'em all , spare someone and send'em to the Papist so he will have to acknowledge the scum they are , really.

God must have put on them some sort of curse , look at the devilish profile of this zingaro (gipsy)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2567446154_c8f7174fd9_b.jpg

Murphy

02-27-2010, 03:59 PM

Don't kill'em all , spare someone and send'em to the Papist so he will have to acknowledge the scum they are , really.

Do you think I have not had experience with gypsies before? I have no love for them on a personal level but that doesn't mean they should be exterminated.

Daos

02-27-2010, 04:39 PM

Do you think I have not had experience with gypsies before? I have no love for them on a personal level but that doesn't mean they should be exterminated.

Do you also take such good care of your own parasites? Or do you exterminate those?

Anthropos

02-27-2010, 04:47 PM

swarthy adj. l. darkish ll. derogative used by people who think too highly of themselves to denote outgroups based on the assumption that their darkish appearances define them as different

Murphy

02-27-2010, 04:48 PM

Do you also take such good care of your own parasites? Or do you exterminate those?

I do not advocate slaughtering the "parasites" in my own country. Nor do I believe that they should be tolerated and encouraged. But that's quite different from advocating the mass-killings of a people.

Daos

02-27-2010, 06:02 PM

I was referring to lice, fleas, intestinal worms, etc. They weaken your body just like social parasites weaken a country...

Peachy Carnahan

02-27-2010, 06:06 PM

please explain what gives you the right to exterminate a people?

The sub-human, that biologically seemingly complete similar creation of nature with hands, feet and a kind of brain, with eyes and a mouth, is nevertheless a completely different, dreadful creature. He is only a rough copy of a human being, with human-like facial traits but nonetheless morally and mentally lower than any animal. Within this creature there is a fearful chaos of wild, uninhibited passions, nameless destructiveness, the most primitive desires, the nakedest vulgarity. Sub-human, otherwise nothing. For all that bear a human face are not equal. Woe to him who forgets it.

Now go and bang your tambourine down at the church hall you spinster and leave the Untermenschen for those of us who have a spine.You'll be thanking us in the long run.

Murphy

02-27-2010, 06:09 PM

I was referring to lice, fleas, intestinal worms, etc. They weaken your body just like social parasites weaken a country...

You would compare human beings to fleas and worms? God save us from people like you.

Murphy

02-27-2010, 06:13 PM

The sub-human, that biologically seemingly complete similar creation of nature with hands, feet and a kind of brain, with eyes and a mouth, is nevertheless a completely different, dreadful creature. He is only a rough copy of a human being, with human-like facial traits but nonetheless morally and mentally lower than any animal. Within this creature there is a fearful chaos of wild, uninhibited passions, nameless destructiveness, the most primitive desires, the nakedest vulgarity. Sub-human, otherwise nothing. For all that bear a human face are not equal. Woe to him who forgets it.

You dare to call gypsies sub-human? You should be worshiping gypsies for what they are. In the face of modern society, they have retained their culture, their society, their faith and their existance. We.. we are nothing but slaves to big corporations and mindless consumerism. We have no soul. They do.

They are free. Yet you dare to label them as subhuman? That is a joke.

Now go and bang your tambourine down at the church hall you spinster and leave the Untermenschen for those of us who have a spine.

:rolleyes2:.. If you think your willingness to mindlessly slaughter women and children is having a spine, I feel sorry for you.

But in the end, you wouldn't have the balls to do it. You would only advocate it on an internet forum. When push comes to shove, you'll cower away like a dog with his tail between his legs.

You'll be thanking us in the long run.

I think not.

Peachy Carnahan

02-27-2010, 06:13 PM

Don't kill'em all , spare someone and send'em to the Papist so he will have to acknowledge the scum they are , really.

Im sure when he makes his pilgrimige to the Vatican he will meet them "En masse",....and then he will change his tune.

Peachy Carnahan

02-27-2010, 06:15 PM

YWe.. we are nothing but slaves to big corporations.

Speak for yourself...you seem to be a slave to the biggest scam of all The catholic church plc.

Murphy

02-27-2010, 06:17 PM

Speak for yourself...you seem to be a slave to the biggest scam of all The catholic church plc.

:ranger:.

I truly do wonder if you people have anything original up your sleeve.

Peachy Carnahan

02-27-2010, 06:22 PM

:ranger:.

I truly do wonder if you people have anything original up your sleeve.

You kneel before the jew and justify your actions to a jewish con trick...like a slave...like a drone with no mind.

Dont talk to me about original.....if you had an original thought in your head it would die of loneliness.

Murphy

02-27-2010, 06:30 PM

You kneel before the jew and justify your actions to a jewish con trick...like a slave...like a drone with no mind.

Dont talk to me about original.....if you had an original thought in your head it would die of loneliness.

Your weak mind cannot grasp that we do not kneel before a simple Jew, we kneel before God who took on human flesh for our salvation.

You say I am a slave? Qualis dominus, talis servus! That is what I say to you.

You also don't seem to understand there is a vast difference between the Israelites 2000 years ago and modern Talmudic Judaism.

The Black Prince

02-27-2010, 06:45 PM

Concerning the former (before the late 20th century) Northern Dutch view on swarthy:

http://i47.tinypic.com/s40yv6.jpg
Derek de Lint plays here as the opponent of Rutger Hauer (movie: Soldier of Orange).

http://www.kfn.uni.wroc.pl/AKTUALIA/FILMAVOND/AANSLAG/Derek%20de%20Lint.jpg
Derek in the movie 'The Assault' from 1986(De Aanslag)

Derek, though for as far as I know fully Dutch, could be nicknamed 'black' (or in Dutch/Frisian Zwarte/Swarte) Derek if he had grew up in a rural part of the Northern Netherlands during the last century or earlier. Reason: Darkbrown hair and brown eyes.

In the southern Netherlands and Dutch towns such 'darker' phenotypes were more common. So I can't speak for them what they would (earlier) consider the difference between light, intermediate and dark/black'ish.

Nowadays the term Zwarte/Swarte is for people with a phenotype like this Moroccan (man on the right of course):

http://i48.tinypic.com/2igjh9w.jpg

or these Turks:

http://www.gekopklanten.nl/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/turkse%20winkel.jpg

Simply put: Black hair, black eyes (darkbrown) and a mediterranean/light olive skin. People darker are per definition also 'black'.

Amapola

02-27-2010, 07:15 PM

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7883/kamrantariq228x327.jpg

Typical Spaniard.

Indeed! just out from Al-Andalus!

:1127:

Peachy Carnahan

02-28-2010, 08:59 AM

Your weak mind cannot grasp that we do not kneel before a simple Jew, we kneel before God who took on human flesh for our salvation.

My week mind...lol....a shepherd needs a flock of sheep to follow him.Take a look at yourself.

You wont find me bowing down in front of some plaster cast effigy of a jew on a sunday with all the other sheeple.
I can imagine no greater missfortune than for the son of god to have been born a jew.

Amapola

02-28-2010, 10:44 AM

Swarthy is a person with a dark complexion. However what's dark or not might differ according to people's standards.

Zyklop

02-28-2010, 01:51 PM

I merely pointed out the difference between a "bronze" or "golden" tan versus anglo/celtic pinkish skin tone that only gets red in the sun :)I think that's a general Northwest European trait. In Southern Germany pink skin tones and reddish tans are relatively unusual whereas they are quite common among Germans from the North Sea coastal region. Often it's easy to identify someone from there already before hearing his dialect.

Falkata

02-28-2010, 03:06 PM

For me, somebody with a dark complexion is olive-dark skinned and at least with a slight north african or middle eastern appareance. I wouldnt call, for example, Ben Affleck a swarthy, although he has dark hair and eyes.

manu

03-01-2010, 06:42 PM

I had a 70s films full immersion lately: Al Pacino does not look swarthy in Panic in the Needle Park and Serpico but he does in The Godfather I & II. I imagine it's due to make up and lightning to make him look more... swarthy!
p.s. nice military pants, Inese.

Zeppelin20

03-13-2010, 08:02 AM

Defintion of swarthy depends on the area and the person's perception. I've been called both swarthy and pale haha. (I've got dark brown hair/eyes and average white person skin lol-not pinkish but not particularly dark either.)

Austin

04-21-2011, 06:59 AM

I hear you guys say swarthy a lot. What does it mean? Can you show me swarthy people?

I want to be more versed and knowledgeable about Europeans and I'm curious about this swarthy thing. Can somebody please tell me what swarthy is? I'd never heard of it before coming to this forum.

I'm going to type it into Google and see what comes up. I want to learn more about Europe and it's terms and would like to hear about this word I always see.

Max

04-21-2011, 07:04 AM

Definition of SWARTHY

: of a dark color, complexion, or cast
— swar·thi·ness noun
See swarthy defined for English-language learners »
Examples of SWARTHY

<a dark-eyed, swarthy young man with killer looks>
Origin of SWARTHY

alteration of obsolete swarty, from swart
First Known Use: 1587
Related to SWARTHY

Synonyms: black, brunet (or brunette), swart, dark
Antonyms: light

My avatar is "Swarthy":thumb001:

Austin

04-21-2011, 07:30 AM

Definition of SWARTHY

: of a dark color, complexion, or cast
— swar·thi·ness noun
See swarthy defined for English-language learners »
Examples of SWARTHY

Origin of SWARTHY

alteration of obsolete swarty, from swart
First Known Use: 1587
Related to SWARTHY

Synonyms: black, brunet (or brunette), swart, dark
Antonyms: light

My avatar is "Swarthy":thumb001:

So swarthy as a reference in Europe is the same as saying Mexican in Texas in reference to dark colored people?

So basically there is a huge correlation to how white North Americans view people from Central and Southern America to how white Northern Europeans view people from Southern Europe and the Middle East.

Wow this opens up a whole spectrum of similarities in how North American whites view the world with how North Europe whites view the world. Hmmm I like this term swarthy. It needs to spread.

What areas of Europe are considered swarthy exactly?

What about Russia? What is Russia's standing in respect to say, a Swedes views on them? Are they deemed white European or something else?

Agrippa

04-21-2011, 07:38 AM

http://images.derstandard.at/t/12/2009/03/22/1237246810914.jpg

Gypsies.

The Ripper

04-21-2011, 07:40 AM

So swarthy as a reference in Europe is the same as saying Mexican in Texas in reference to dark colored people?

So basically there is a huge correlation to how white North Americans view people from Central and Southern America to how white Northern Europeans view people from Southern Europe and the Middle East.

Wow this opens up a whole spectrum of similarities in how North American whites view the world with how North Europe whites view the world. Hmmm I like this term swarthy. It needs to spread.

What areas of Europe are considered swarthy exactly?

What about Russia? What is Russia's standing in respect to say, a Swedes views on them? Are they deemed white European or something else?

You are too transparent.

Motörhead Remember Me

04-21-2011, 07:51 AM

Everything south, west and east of the alps is swarthy. From our point of view, we do not differentiate between Turks, Bulgarians and Portuguese.

Austin

04-21-2011, 07:58 AM

http://images.derstandard.at/t/12/2009/03/22/1237246810914.jpg

Gypsies.

Okay but now I am really confused.

That looks like a lot of Southern Europeans in respect to skin tone.....

Like everybody in that pic would be a Mexican or an Arab of some sort in the U.S. racial lexicon.

I'm only 23 Riipp be patient with me geez!!!! I seriously don't know this stuff and want to find out and you are being mean.

How do you tell then a Gypsy from a Southern European with the same skin color?

What are the differences? How do you tell an Arab with the same skin color from a Southern European, as surely Arabs are not Gypsies.

Agrippa

04-21-2011, 08:47 AM

Okay but now I am really confused.

That looks like a lot of Southern Europeans in respect to skin tone.....

Like everybody in that pic would be a Mexican or an Arab of some sort in the U.S. racial lexicon.

I'm only 23 Riipp be patient with me geez!!!! I seriously don't know this stuff and want to find out and you are being mean.

How do you tell then a Gypsy from a Southern European with the same skin color?

What are the differences? How do you tell an Arab with the same skin color from a Southern European, as surely Arabs are not Gypsies.

I saw the documentary in which they potrayed this criminal Gypsy in the foreground and I saw practically no European looking that way, unless they go tanning every day until their skin get wrinkles even at the age of 25.

I saw Nordoids being darker than that because of such customs, but they always had a DIFFERENT SKINTONE. It is not just about light vs. dark, but also the skin tone.

I mean you can't compare tanned with untanned people, which is ridiculous, you have to look at the genetically determined traits which stay stable.

Himera

04-21-2011, 09:14 AM

short dark skin, black haired people with ""mustang muskulature"(short but usually strong)

You cannot explain him in grammatical view Maxim, it isonly a form like many others, it doesn't give him an answer ...

you see the difference?

one is only dark horse,the second is dark but "heavy musculuos short"

it is the same with people..

We have very good explanation for "swarthy" in serbian,but don't know how to explain ...( if someone of mine guys abroad could help about synonimes...):p

"nabijen/a" .."slagan/a gradja" ( built)

Himera

04-21-2011, 09:22 AM

Okay but now I am really confused.

That looks like a lot of Southern Europeans in respect to skin tone.....

Like everybody in that pic would be a Mexican or an Arab of some sort in the U.S. racial lexicon.

I'm only 23 Riipp be patient with me geez!!!! I seriously don't know this stuff and want to find out and you are being mean.

How do you tell then a Gypsy from a Southern European with the same skin color?

What are the differences? How do you tell an Arab with the same skin color from a Southern European, as surely Arabs are not Gypsies.

Yes. it is nothing about skin tone and eye colour ,we have a lot of "white gypsies" here, and "who knows in which step" mixed and asimillated gypsies , and those are all types which are here, I noticed described like :eek::eek::eek:- this expression ,in manytopics, like "who are they ,what is this, is this an gypsi nordid" - it is not here such suprise and not for disscution at all...

Austin

04-21-2011, 10:23 AM

Is this video accurate in general?

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Agrippa

04-21-2011, 10:35 AM

The video has no valuable content other than showing phenotypes, the comments are a joke, talking about something like that with terms like accurate or not is meaningless.

Austin

04-21-2011, 10:55 AM

I saw the documentary in which they potrayed this criminal Gypsy in the foreground and I saw practically no European looking that way, unless they go tanning every day until their skin get wrinkles even at the age of 25.

I saw Nordoids being darker than that because of such customs, but they always had a DIFFERENT SKINTONE. It is not just about light vs. dark, but also the skin tone.

I mean you can't compare tanned with untanned people, which is ridiculous, you have to look at the genetically determined traits which stay stable.

Oh I know about tanned people. Lots of whites have a good tan at times ;)

Peerkons

04-21-2011, 11:38 AM

http://www.football-spot.com/blog/images/photos/ronaldo_13.jpg
http://www.conociendoitalia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/marco-borriello-373x500.jpg

Austin

04-21-2011, 11:57 AM

http://www.football-spot.com/blog/images/photos/ronaldo_13.jpg
http://www.conociendoitalia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/marco-borriello-373x500.jpg

Yeah see I can't reach that level of pigment all over my body even with a full tan. Actually when I'm tanned from playing in the waves at south padre I'm darker than this because my skin is naturally whiter.

So is this long ago Arab admixture from invasions or what? Are all southern Italians that dark? What admixture is that from in Italy's past?

I am legitimately curious seeing as my relatives from Germany/Scandinavia/England don't have any members this skin pigment in their old photographs. I thank those who can actually talk about this issue without screaming and accusations as I am interested in the answers. For instance I did not even know that most of southern Spain was ruled by Muslims to the extent it was, I always thought it was a small part of Spain. I am curious as to all this.

Gaztelu

04-21-2011, 01:03 PM

Svanhild

04-21-2011, 01:50 PM

I hear you guys say swarthy a lot. What does it mean? Can you show me swarthy people?
They life there. Exclusively. :wink

http://www.erlebnisreisen-abenteuerreisen.de/fileadmin/img/suedeuropa.jpg

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 01:56 PM

Yeahhh, we southern are a fucking gypsies-arabs-turks-iranian-pakis pot robots.

The italian/spaniars/portuguese/greek/arab/gypsy/lebanese/pakis/mexican/indios/navajo/bantoo/khoisan/nilitic are exactly the same thing, didn't you know?

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 01:59 PM

I am curious. How many Southern Europeans have you met in your life?

none, as no Arab or African. :laugh::laugh:

Now, Muhammad Guido Mbekele Ramirez Papadopoulos Salazar, why don't we go to pray in the Kashbah eating a Quabab?

Ibericus

04-21-2011, 02:00 PM

They life there. Exclusively. :wink

http://www.erlebnisreisen-abenteuerreisen.de/fileadmin/img/suedeuropa.jpg
Funny, Germans here in Spain during the summer are darker than locals. See the white-snow Kriegsmarine :

http://s2.subirimagenes.com/privadas/previo/thump_1120299normalmarinescheer12.jpg

Rouxinol

04-21-2011, 02:04 PM

Falkata

04-21-2011, 02:08 PM

They life there. Exclusively. :wink

http://www.erlebnisreisen-abenteuerreisen.de/fileadmin/img/suedeuropa.jpg

I disagree! :icon_yell:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gpn_RIDgAVg/SxkGo3TC2aI/AAAAAAAAC7w/-QNjoe7Ow2w/s400/goebbels.jpg

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 02:10 PM

Comte Arnau

04-21-2011, 02:11 PM

Svanhild

04-21-2011, 02:14 PM

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 02:18 PM

Mere Southern envy.

Sshhhht, we are praying Allah with our blackheads in the direction of Mecca and Pyongyang, Ythzaak Shlomon...we talk more after the human sacrifice to worship Leonid Breznev and Bin Laden for the destruction of USA ("My Country, 'tis of theeeee...sweet Land of Liiibertyyyy...")

Comte Arnau

04-21-2011, 02:19 PM

However, that most Germans get a tan in summer is no mystery.

Most of the Germans who've been living half their lives in the South are simply indistinguishable from most of the locals in terms of skintone.

Grumpy Cat

04-21-2011, 02:21 PM

Austin has been banned.

Best birthday present I got so far this year.

Falkata

04-21-2011, 02:22 PM

Tribuno is the only one who has understood my :wink and the following graphic. All others started to bark before thinking. Sigh.

And Falkata, you've posted that photo before and we came to the understanding that these old color photos of WW2 have both false and overstated coloring with respect to the poor technology back in that time. However, that most Germans get a tan in summer is no mystery.

Don´t tell me Goebbels is Wotan please :D
There´s nothing false about his über southern look

http://fuga.com.mx/09/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/goebels.jpg

He would stand out in Stockholm or Helsinki but not at all in Belgrade, Rome or Madrid

Rouxinol

04-21-2011, 02:29 PM

Tribuno understood what, your funny games? You are just trying to excuse yourself now. The "swarthies" of Portugal and Spain conquered most of the world from the Americas to Asia and Oceania and dominated over non-European peoples. The Germans, unable to do that, attempted to dominate over their own European counterparts. Get over it. Do you know STORMFRONT?

Ibericus

04-21-2011, 02:29 PM

At one point time in US history the Germans were considered Swarthy, also the known "Black Dutch" . Ben Franklin spoke of the 'stupid swarthy germans" :wink

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 02:36 PM

Tribuno is the only one who has understood my :wink and the following graphic. All others started to bark before thinking. Sigh.

And Falkata, you've posted that photo before and we came to the understanding that these old color photos of WW2 have both false and overstated coloring with respect to the poor technology back in that time. However, that most Germans get a tan in summer is no mystery.

Both true ( http://forums.smirkinchicken.com/images/smilies/hitler.gif )

I have a friend from Kiel who come to the sea where i go in Summer....three hours in the sun are sufficient, and her skin become very, very red (the first days).
You northern germans haven't the "genetic fo the mediterranean summer sun" ;)

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 02:40 PM

Don´t tell me Goebbels is Wotan please :D
There´s nothing false about his über southern look

http://fuga.com.mx/09/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/goebels.jpg

He would stand out in Stockholm or Helsinki but not at all in Belgrade, Rome or Madrid

Goebbels had the same features of my grandfather from mom's sides :laugh:

Rouxinol

04-21-2011, 02:43 PM

Examples of woggistan

http://www.engramma.it/engramma_revolution/51/img/051_b_09_220.jpg

some swarthystani dominions
http://www.spagna.cc/impero_coloniale_spagnolo.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/The_Portuguese_Empire.png

Another example of francoswarthy tribes
http://slasch16.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/400px-frenchempire9.png?w=400&h=203

and...the Ultimate Woggistan, the original
http://www.hotel.in80days.com/hotel-roma/icone/Impero_Romano.jpg

C'mon, those people believe that those achievements were made by some kind of master race (herrenvolk) that no longer exists here - Arthur Kemp-like thought, you know?

Look how the Portuguese herrenvolk did look like - very tall, blond and blue-eyed (Nordid):

http://www.eidh.eu/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/inf_d_henrique-263x300.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0kBg8IE8SCo/SlOqhP12e7I/AAAAAAAAALY/AnmqMv1YKl8/s400/vasco+da+gama.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3MQ4UwCsq8Y/SwnCSOYPvcI/AAAAAAAABJo/z1_C1QMYPF4/s1600/Vasco%20da%20Gama.jpg http://www.arqnet.pt/imagens/phmanuel1.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_q2r80cXtpus/SwPXVewgqzI/AAAAAAAAAAU/PmrxMUSA7kU/s1600/JoaoII.jpg

:)

Ibericus

04-21-2011, 02:45 PM

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 02:49 PM

shhhh!...Ancient romans are supposed to be Nordic. ;)

true, true.

Like the man in my signature, Giulio Cesare?

Svanhild

04-21-2011, 02:50 PM

Don´t tell me Goebbels is Wotan please :D
There´s nothing false about his über southern look
Goebbels was never a representative for German types of look. Not even the Southern German, a bit darker Alpines look as distant as Goebbels. Goebbels was born in Alexandria, btw. :wink

Ibericus

04-21-2011, 02:52 PM

Comte Arnau

04-21-2011, 02:52 PM

Greeks were blond and light-eyed in the past. I've seen it in Troy.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d9Wr1qNIcwo/TZhhPWjnbFI/AAAAAAAAAH0/FxStXWdX-gg/s1600/Brad+Pitt+%2528Troya%2529.jpg

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 02:55 PM

Rouxinol

04-21-2011, 02:56 PM

HELLO?! Even ancient Egyptians were Nordids! Or they wouldn't have put up such a civilization. The Mayans were also Nordid! Oh, and the Easter Islanders too. I've read someone claiming they were "Nordish" read-heads... This is how far the lunacy goes. :lol:

Rouxinol

04-21-2011, 03:01 PM

Ironically, the man responsible for a major Portuguese defeat against some muslim Ottomans at Alcacer-Quibir (present day Morocco) in the 16th century looked like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tbXfYhuCzWo/Sj0AZrpXDdI/AAAAAAAAAnk/o2HEaApxGWQ/s400/dom-sebasti%C3%A3o-no-cabo-de-sa.jpg

as opposed to swarthy D. João II deeds in conquering the world:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k1dfqAYBZyY/TW7UoLYylZI/AAAAAAAAD9s/LIx8y_l8Cyk/s1600/Jo%25C3%25A3o%2BII.jpg

or explorer/seaman/warrior Vasco da Gama:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0kBg8IE8SCo/SlOqhP12e7I/AAAAAAAAALY/AnmqMv1YKl8/s400/vasco+da+gama.jpg

The swarthy kings conquered the world, this one led us to major defeat - and even got killed in the battle leaving the Kingdom in crisis with no king to rule. Great job Dom Sebastião!

Ibericus

04-21-2011, 03:02 PM

Greeks were blond and light-eyed in the past. I've seen it in Troy.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d9Wr1qNIcwo/TZhhPWjnbFI/AAAAAAAAAH0/FxStXWdX-gg/s1600/Brad+Pitt+%2528Troya%2529.jpg
Santa Claus is your parents xD

Falkata

04-21-2011, 03:11 PM

Goebbels was never a representative for German types of look. Not even the Southern German, a bit darker Alpines look as distant as Goebbels. Goebbels was born in Alexandria, btw. :wink

If he is so weird looking how did he get so much power deffending the germanic race cause? :confused:

And he wasnt born in Alexandria but in your beloved Germany. Anyway swarthiness is not contagious so the place where you born doesn´t affect your race :eek:

Comte Arnau

04-21-2011, 03:13 PM

The whole misunderstanding of this kind of thread comes from the fact that for many Americans the word "Spanish" refers to both, him

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Eu4d4GXAEUo/TOgrgIgBxHI/AAAAAAAAEXE/2dEyaKFDznM/s1600/joseantonio4.jpg

and him

http://www.lineaquotidiano.net/files/images/hugo-chavez.jpg

Well, American ability to distinguish between nationality and language is proverbial.

But let's not forget that, well before that, the French spoiled a term you may feel more identified with: latino. ;)

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 05:13 PM

Well, American ability to distinguish between nationality and language is proverbial.

But let's not forget that, well before that, the French spoiled a term you may feel more identified with: latino. ;)

Oh yes, you're right.

This man
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G2s0KYQJ0YA/TKDQ6mDdumI/AAAAAAAAA9U/et42L6Pu3cE/s1600/romani.jpg
and this
http://log24.com/log/images/020919-sombrero.jpg

are the same thing

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 05:25 PM

If Mexicans and Venezuelans are "Spanish" for instance, being consistent Haitians are French and Jamaicans are authentic British people.

How can one be so dumb?

Loki

04-21-2011, 05:44 PM

Austin has been banned. When will Svanhild be banned? She's obsessed with Southern Europe, she bashes upon Southern Europe every single time she comes up on this forum and she's seeding discord all over this forum instead of European cultural and ethnic preservation! Worse: she has no manners! This member is a source of problems!

It is not your place to call for members to be banned. Apricity has freedom of expression, bar a few serious exceptions.

People are welcome to have any opinion they like. This is what debating is about.

Loki

04-21-2011, 05:46 PM

Best birthday present I got so far this year.

It's only a temp ban.

Gaztelu

04-21-2011, 05:47 PM

It's only a temp ban.

Was Austin banned for this thread?

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 05:48 PM

In fact going with what I said before, I think it's disrespectful that people throw around "Spanish" and "Portuguese" to describe these country's former colonial possessions, but other European countries, such as England, France, and the Netherlands for instance have their secure and undiminished place in Europe that no one dare question. Why don't Iberians get the same respect?

The Lawspeaker

04-21-2011, 05:55 PM

Because some of them are leaning on us for their prosperity ?
Because we have to pay for their dinner and because of that we have to shove aside our own poor, wretched souls in order to save the Club Med and we don't even get a "thank you" for it?

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 05:59 PM

Eastern European countries are not all prosperous either but I doubt anyone would be comparing them to mulattos and mestizos. The point is, Spaniards and Portuguese deserve the same respect as the other former colonial powers and by calling someone who looks like George Lopez "Spanish" and someone who looks like Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes "Portuguese", they aren't getting that respect.

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 06:02 PM

No offense to anyone, but if I have to choose to live in Eastern Europe or in the Iberian peninsula, I would not hesitate to buy an apartment in Lloret De Mar or Cadaques:laugh:

Falkata

04-21-2011, 06:07 PM

No offense to anyone, but if I have to choose to live in Eastern Europe or in the Iberian peninsula, I would not hesitate to buy an apartment in Lloret De Mar or Cadaques:laugh:

Really? Dont you prefer to live in Latvia or Belarus?
I´ve heard they are really aryan there :(

StonyArabia

04-21-2011, 06:10 PM

I wonder if anyone seen how true Arabians look like. Well I have, I can say for certain they have nothing to do with Southern Europeans, and genetics show that Southern Europeans are distinct peoples from them and are closer to other Europeans naturally. They also don't drag down to Arabia, which means they don't show admixture. I really don't see the problem in having Arabian ancestry, especially if it is distant and not important. No Arabians did not change the skin color of Southern Europeans, we would see this in the Y-DNA and mtDNA which are very rare and even autosomes. It's plainly intellectual dishonesty to exaggerate the Arabian ancestry which does not even exist in Southern Europe. It's the other way around that North Africans have large does of Southern European ancestry which can be seen.

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 06:12 PM

No Arabians did not change the skin color of Southern Europeans, we would see this in the Y-DNA and mtDNA which are very rare and even autosomes. It's plainly intellectual dishonesty to exaggerate the Arabian ancestry which does not even exist in Southern Europe.

People make the mistake of calling Neolithic ancestry in Southern Europe (like Greece, Albania, Sicily, Malta) "Arab" ancestry when really it came from Anatolia and the Caucasus.. not the Arabian Peninsula.

StonyArabia

04-21-2011, 06:16 PM

People make the mistake of calling Neolithic ancestry in Southern Europe (like Greece, Albania, Sicily, Malta) "Arab" ancestry when really it came from Anatolia and the Caucasus.. not the Arabian Peninsula.

Indeed, hence why South Eastern Europeans drag toward Turkey and the Caucasus. So far no European nations drags to Arabia, and heck not even North Africans are dragged to Arabia. North Africans are just Arabized Berbers. The only people that drag to Arabia are some Levantines.

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 06:17 PM

Indeed, hence why South Eastern Europeans drag toward Turkey and the Caucasus. So far no European nations drags to Arabia, and heck not even North Africans are dragged to Arabia. North Africans are just Arabized Berbers. The only people that drag to Arabia are some Levantines.

And also, North African invasions of Southern Europe are often cited as reasons for the appearance and haplogroup frequencies of some Southern Europeans, but they were a ruling class minority and had little genetic impact.

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 06:22 PM

Really? Dont you prefer to live in Latvia or Belarus?
I´ve heard they are really aryan there :(

I wonder why this "aryan perfection" of some Eastern European countries left them without any importance and historical significance from middle age to this day, while we "Africans inferior" dominated half world for centuries ... mah, "gli enigmi della genetica inversa" :laugh:

Black Sun Dimension

04-21-2011, 06:23 PM

To answer the OP: I am a swarthy, with my dark eyes and hair.

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 06:27 PM

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 06:28 PM

"Conquest" does not necessarily mean "colonization" and replacing the original population.

The fact that the "Arab"(which in reality were Berbers, not Arabs) have biult several domains in small portions of southern Europe does not mean anything....for example, the islamic heritage in Sicily is only 1,2-1,5% of total modern sicilian population (5,500,000 inhabitant).

Someone once tried telling me that the reason there is a lot of haplogroups J there is because these people are all "descendants of the Moors who settled there." :rolleyes:

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 06:32 PM

Someone once tried telling me that the reason there is a lot of haplogroups J there is because these people are all "descendants of the Moors who settled there." :rolleyes:

Yes, is pathetic.

All mankind outside of Africa descended from a small group of 500,000 or less humans who left the continent ... this means that we are all "niggers"? :laugh:

StonyArabia

04-21-2011, 06:35 PM

Someone once tried telling me that the reason there is a lot of haplogroups J there is because these people are all "descendants of the Moors who settled there." :rolleyes:

J1 in North Africa is different subclad from that is seen in Arabians.There J1 is closer to that of the now extinct Guanches peoples of the Canaries. However most Berbers have their own particular Y-E3b2 (M-81) which constitute over 80% of North African males also dubbed as the Berber marker. This maker very rare in Europe

The J2 lineage is native to Europe and entered in the neolithic from Anatolia, to lesser extent J1*. The Arabian J1c3d which is rare in Europe and it does not exist.

Tony

04-21-2011, 06:35 PM

Sikeliot

04-21-2011, 06:38 PM

J1 in North Africa is different subclad from that is seen in Arabians.There J1 is closer to that of the now extinct Guanches peoples of the Canaries. However most Berbers have their own particular Y-E3b2 (M-81) which constitute over 80% of North African males also dubbed as the Berber marker. This maker very rare in Europe

The J2 lineage is native to Europe and entered in the neolithic from Anatolia, to lesser extent J1*. The Arabian J1c3d which is rare in Europe and it does not exist.

Y-E3b2 (M-81), I believe, is found in about 5-6% of Iberians and only 2% of Sicilians. Not much "Moorish" impact, I'd say. Also J1 is in the single digits for both places. What I was saying is that people have tried suggesting J2 is from the Moors too, which is ridiculous. In fact I think J2 is in the single digits for Spain, not sure about Portugal but it's probably not very high.

Peyrol

04-21-2011, 06:41 PM

:D

Some of them were , like Homer said but none looked Dalo-Faelid like Brad Pitt.

Homer idealized characters of the poems, and historical sources and official historiography and classical iconography does not make any mention of blond Greeks, indeed.

Among other things, Homer speaks about Mycenaean Achaeans, not about Dori, Ioni and Macedonians (which are the "Greeks" commonly understood).