Miss Belgium 2009 is....

[sturmwalkure]

Zeynep Sever

http://www.1turk.net/r/397b87ec40c.jpg

She's pretty... but not for Miss Belgium. I did research and she apparently did participate in Miss Turkey too. What's wrong with a nice Flemish, Wallonian or German girl? You know, like someone who's indigenous to Belgium. She wasn't even born in Belgium, she was born in Turkey.

At least she's not irredeemably ugly like 2009 Miss England, Rachel Christie (mulatta) (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=71316) is but still... she's not Belgian. And at least prettier than Cape Verdean, Tatiana Silva (Miss Belgium 2005)

http://www.steffen.be/images/tatiana3.jpg

But compare them with Wallonian Julie Taton (Miss Belgium 2003)

http://us4.pixagogo.com/S5uRuA-TyxophSDAMWXuh5kwp0efS51ZiypMRU7K7AuIueyd9kpTQp-o2ZtbSo5Yzc0b5PjAzZDuVKKeQAfwd5VuKa11ix7pi21bEA7Qo 3h98_/JulieTaton017.jpg

And with Flemish Ellen Petri (Miss Belgium 2004)

http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/000/795/925_08bcf26a6fe245994f1b71ab7f3a605f.jpg

There's no comparison really.

[Luern]

What's Belgium and Belgian anyway?

[Beorn]

At least Miss. Belgium's White and not an ambassador for the beaten backsides of black dogs.

[Brännvin]

What's wrong with a nice Flemish, Wallonian or German girl?
Nothing! They are beautiful..

Only hypocrisy and (or collective) sadomasochism stops really beautiful women to win, just to give a chance to some exotic "immigrant". :eek: :(

[Groenewolf]

What's Belgium and Belgian anyway?

Belgium was a Reaincesse term used by the intellectual elite as a term for the Netherlands, both South and North.

[Brännvin]

Who were the Belgaes?

[Groenewolf]

Who were the Belgaes?

Some ancient tribe.

[Absinthe]

What do you mean, she participated in Miss Turkey as well? Is she Turkish? :confused:

Edit: dah, I just saw the name Zeynep :rolleyes:

[Will]

Turks tend to come out in all shapes and sizes. I don't know of a typical Turkish look. Impossible to guess her ethnic ancestry I'd say.

She does look better than the current Miss England, but still I fail to see how she was the most beautiful of the bunch. Maybe I'm a fool for whites or maybe these judges are just blind.

[Brännvin]

Some ancient tribe.

Yes, but a Germanized Celtic people or a celticized Germanic people?

Are both the Waloon and the Flemish people descended from them?

I have read that both can draw roots from the Belgaes independent of modern ethno linguistic background, although not clear if this is true..

[Osweo]

Why are people even bothered or surprised any more? Where do you find the energy to be outraged, even? It's all part of the same pathetic old show. It's all to get publicity, to have people talking about the pageant. It's worked. There's probably some good money to be earned now in advertising and so on.

We should be worrying more about how to spread more cynicism amongst our kinsmen. Gods know, it's never been easier to be cynical!

[Osweo]

Yes, but a Germanized Celtic people or a celticized Germanic people?
Both and neither. When Caesar showed up, there were all parts of the spectum that you've outlined present. There were solid pockets of proper Germani, and still vast swathes of nonGermanised Celts, everything in between, and who knows what substrates of earlier peoples.

Are both the Waloon and the Flemish people descended from them?
Yep, though to varying degrees. Those in the south have obviously been able to retain the speech of the Romanised Belgae, due to demographic weight and proximity to Romance centres elsewhere in Gaul, and those in the north have arisen due to the mass migration of Germanics from across the Rhine, to reinforce already present Germanising trends.

I have read that both can draw roots from the Belgaes independent of modern ethno linguistic background, although not clear if this is true..
Why would it not be. Just look at the general scheme of European history after the Roman collapse.

[Groenewolf]

Yes, but a Germanized Celtic people or a celticized Germanic people?

Are both the Waloon and the Flemish people descended from them?

I have read that both can draw roots from the Belgaes independent of modern ethno linguistic background, although not clear if this is true..

Do be honest I would not know without researching it. I know that much many cities and towns in Wallonia had Dutch names before Lodewijk XIV invaded. But wether or not they can claim a signaficant decandentcy from that tribe I do not know.

[sturmwalkure]

What do you mean, she participated in Miss Turkey as well? Is she Turkish? :confused:

Edit: dah, I just saw the name Zeynep :rolleyes:

She must have dual-citizenship. She's not ugly by any means, but she's not representative of Belgium, home to Flemings, Wallonians and a German minority. But political-correctness rules over who's actually the most beautiful in the contest. I'm not surprised though. She appears to be a more Europid Turk but Mongoloid influence is evident.

http://blogs.vlan.be/vlanbruxelles/files/2008/10/zeynep-sever.jpg

If I had to guess her ethnicity I'd assume she's a lighter Mestiza. I've seen some Mexican women with similar looks. But Luern is right, Belgian isn't an ethnicity. It's a nationality, an artificial nation much like the former Czechoslovakia, the former Yugoslavia, and the Soviet Union.

An-Sofie Dewinter for first Miss Independent Flanders. :D

http://blog.blergh.be/wp-content/dewinter.jpg

(Edit: for anyone who doesn't know An-Sofie is the daughter of Filip Dewinter)

[Creeping Death]

Zeynep Sever

http://www.1turk.net/r/397b87ec40c.jpg
She does not look White to me, seems to me certain social manipulators in Europe wish to push the dark feature agenda over the indigenous blond, blue eyed and fair complexion to make this acceptable so we can all digest multi-culturalism easier.

[Beorn]

...the indigenous blond, blue eyed and fair complexion...

:confused: What indigenous folks are those?

[Tabiti]

She does look quite turkish with original dominant turk influence.
I don't see anything beautiful here, even for an Asian (instead smile)...