Classify M. Kemal Atatürk

[Onur]

I didn't see any classification thread for Ataturk here, so i would like to create one.

http://www.kotusozluk.com/img/2010/10/mustafa-kemal-ataturk_699.jpg
http://www.atalay-kirbancioglu.net/FileUpload/ks164074/File/ataturk_attends_a_university_class.jpg



Atatürk`s wax sculpture in Madame Tussauds museum. This is a fully accurate sculpture of him;
http://galeri4.uludagsozluk.com/113/ingilterede-hi%C3%A7-atat%C3%BCrk-b%C3%BCst%C3%BC-olmamas%C4%B1_186783.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5280/gp242941bx8.jpg


I think it`s quite easy to classify him but lets see what you guys think of

[AkisGreece]

Albanian/Slavic.

[MfA_]

Nordo-Anatolid

[archangel]

Überoid:))

[kabeiros]

Allah/Tengri, the God of Turks

[tEhSaint]

depigmented Turanid (pred.) with Cromagno-Sibirid tendencies .

[kvarc]

he looks very borreby in the wax, I really don`t see much of a Turanid input

[Onur]

He is obviously an Alpine. He actually has a typical look of an ordinary Balkan Turk but the only difference is most Balkan Turks has light brown to medium brown hair with green or brown eyes while Ataturk belongs to the minority who has blond hair with blue eyes.

But in fact, his Alpine head, straight hair, slightly big nose, small eye shape is quite typical. There are many Turks like him but with darker hair&eyes.

[safinator]

He is obviously an Alpine. He actually has a typical look of an ordinary Balkan Turk but the only difference is most Balkan Turks has light brown to medium brown hair with green or brown eyes while Ataturk belongs to the minority who has blond hair with blue eyes.

But in fact, his Alpine head, straight hair, slightly big nose, small eye shape is quite typical. There are many Turks like him but with darker hair&eyes.

Interesting, what makes you say so?

[Su]

Many people fool into his blond hair and blue eyes, just photoshop the hair into brown as well as the eye colour into brown he will look like an average Turk, since he's got a round and rather broad face with a short + broad + heavy nose.

[Graus]

Looks Greek.

[kvarc]

Many people fool into his blond hair and blue eyes, just photoshop the hair into brown as well as the eye colour into brown he will look like an average Turk, since he's got a round and rather broad face with a short + broad + heavy nose.

and if you paint Nordid dark brown he would look Dinaric or Atlanto-med :D

[Grizzly]

He did have an Albanian father and a Macedonian mother...

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Allah/Tengri, the God of Turks

We are nor lighting candles or binding ribbons in Anıtkabir neither we circumambulate around it mumbling his proverbs ..

[Anglojew]

At least we know who should play him in a movie (Kenneth Branagh);


http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/kenneth-branagh-orange-british-academy-film-awards-2012-01.jpg

[Su]

Best Atatuk look-a-like:

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[Siberian Cold Breeze]

At least we know who should play him in a movie (Kenneth Branagh);


http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/kenneth-branagh-orange-british-academy-film-awards-2012-01.jpg

He rather looks like your avatar ..

[Su]

These 2 are also good:

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[Annihilus]

Antonio Banderas was going to play him but he backed off after death threats.

http://content8.flixster.com/rtactor/40/31/40318_pro.jpg

[Dacul]

He does not look turanid.
He does not look too caucasian either,but rather west-european.

[EagleAtHeart]

He was an interesting man, and he has an interesting look.

If I met him and he told me he was a Slav, I wouldn't doubt it.

Most Turks are adamant that he is Central Asian, even dispite the blond hair, blue eyes, and light pigmentation. I can't see any Asian or Turanid except in the high cheekbones, but that's also a Slavic trait.

[kvarc]

I will dare and say that he looks like an ex-Yu borreby with some minor Asian influences, at least in the wax figures

[kvarc]

just for laughs he kinda looks like a Serb Karl Malden :D

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1040/karlmalden1220x300.jpg

[aherne]

Balkan CroMagnid derivative.

[Zmey Gorynych]

But in fact, his Alpine head, straight hair, slightly big nose, small eye shape is quite typical. There are many Turks like him but with darker hair&eyes.
The only alpinid trait is his rounded forehead and probably fleshier nose. His head is broad but also quite long. I would say that he was a Cromagnoid with an aurignacian influence (which appears to be Nordid), a minor Taurid element may also be present. I can't say if his CM was Turanid or not, it seems that he had an epicanthic fold but then other CM's can develop a pseudo fold especially when getting older.

[Corvus]

Very Nordic looking for Turkish standards

[Ushtari]

He reminds me of Reshat Arbana:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3152/53676336768750328876479.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8426/18181736768791328872373.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1994/52493436768712662213548.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8522/54715936768716995546414.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4544/57512036768742328877251.jpg

[archangel]

This reshat dude looks über kurdish man ı thınk you should wear a lens or somethıng lol

[Partizan]

Alpine+CM. His facial features are not uncommon for Turks, just light pigmented.

Not to forget, ancient Turkic tribes like Khazars, Cumans/Kipchaks and Proto-Kyrgyzes were described with light hair and light eyes. That's why Russians called Cumans/Kypchaks as "Polovtsy"(Blonds).

P.S:

His fathers' side had the title of Kızılca, which is a Yörük Turkomans title in Central-West Anatolia. It shows that his fathers' side are settler Turkomans aka Evlad-ı-Fatihan.

His mothers' side were recent settlers from Konya, who belonged in Mevlevi Sufi order.

His father(CM+Dinarid+Turanid):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Portrait_of_a_volunteer_officer_of_the_Ottoman_Civ ilian_Battalion.jpg/225px-Portrait_of_a_volunteer_officer_of_the_Ottoman_Civ ilian_Battalion.jpg

His mother(CM+Alpine):

http://img2.blogcu.com/images/m/u/s/mustafakemalim2/z_beyde_han_m1.jpg

His sister(Alpine+Turanid):

http://www.delinetciler.net/forum/attachments/14868d1316092235-makbule-atadan.jpg

[Partizan]

This reshat dude looks über kurdish man ı thınk you should wear a lens or somethıng lol

Agreed, he looks like if he is lost twin of Yılmaz Güney:

Arnavut Reşat:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8522/54715936768716995546414.jpg

Kürt Yılmaz:

http://www.indirvideo.net/video/fbookimage3/img-beniisyankaretileryilmazguneyhq-493.jpg

[TheMagnificent]

Mesut Yontan (http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=mesut+yontan&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1600&bih=799&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=pbewUL__IsHk4QS--4GQAQ), best Atatürk look-alike ever, I think. :D

http://www.balsohbet.net/wp-content/uploads/Mesut-Yontan.jpg

http://blog.trsohbet.com/wp-content/uploads/Mesut-Yontan.jpg

http://www.cantongo.com/wp-content/themes/Advanced-Newspaper1392/timthumb.php?src=/pictures/2012/02/tongo.jpg&h=&q=90&w=496&h=278&zc=1%22

[gregorius]

he looks bosnian/albanian

[kabeiros]

He looks like Ataturk's wax sculpture

http://content-mcdn.ethnos.gr/filesystem/images/20110606/engine/assets_LARGE_t_420_52669556_type12128.jpg
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/079/4/1/mustafa_kemal_ataturk_by_senturk.jpg

[kvarc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centar_%C5%BDupa_Municipality

this is where his paternal origins are.... eve today Turks are a majority there, alrough they are probably mostly turkified Slavs by origin....it is also interested that by etnographes at the beginning of the 20th century, surrounding area was dominated by Serbian populance :)

[Partizan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centar_%C5%BDupa_Municipality

this is where his paternal origins are.... eve today Turks are a majority there, alrough they are probably mostly turkified Slavs by origin....it is also interested that by etnographes at the beginning of the 20th century, surrounding area was dominated by Serbian populance :)

Well, Ottomans were not the only Turkic people who ruled modern Macedonia, even a city in Macedonia is called as "Kumanovo". I posted Atatürk's family's pictures and as you can see his dad and his sister look Turanid influenced, I even know one Kazakh girl who looks like Atatürk's sister.

BTW, Turanid influence is also present in Macedonia, despite not common:

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/DJDORI_2009/ToseProeski.jpg

Has the same eyeshape with me, actually.

[kvarc]

Well, Ottomans were not the only Turkic people who ruled modern Macedonia, even a city in Macedonia is called as "Kumanovo". I posted Atatürk's family's pictures and as you can see his dad and his sister look Turanid influenced, I even know one Kazakh girl who looks like Atatürk's sister.

BTW, Turanid influence is also present in Macedonia, despite not common:

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/DJDORI_2009/ToseProeski.jpg

Has the same eyeshape with me, actually.

yes but Kumans don`t have nothing do to with either Ottomans or Ataturks Turks, they were assimilated long before they arived

[Partizan]

yes but Kumans don`t have nothing do to with either Ottomans or Ataturks Turks, they were assimilated long before they arived

Well, since in Manzikert, the earlier Turkic arrivals to Anatolia(Pechenegs and Cumans) helped their Seljuk kinsmen against Byzantines, a similar thing could have happened in Balkans too. Moreover, in some Balkan Turkish dialects, words and phrases from Pecheneg, Cuman and even Bulgar languages are preserved. So, it is quite possible, they could have been re-Turkified.

[kvarc]

Well, since in Manzikert, the earlier Turkic arrivals to Anatolia(Pechenegs and Cumans) helped their Seljuk kinsmen against Byzantines, a similar thing could have happened in Balkans too. Moreover, in some Balkan Turkish dialects, words and phrases from Pecheneg, Cuman and even Bulgar languages are preserved. So, it is quite possible, they could have been re-Turkified.

well if we see documents and "census" in Serbia, there are no evidence that there were any Turks by the end of 14th century, let alone that they helped Ottomans....

there are interested cases, on this matter, for instance about 1400 Turks were beaten in battle an settled in Serbia as warriors during King Milutin, there were most probably assimilated by the time of the Ottomans, and it`s very likely that there progeny fought against the Ottomans in a 100 or so as Serbs :)

The second interesting case is of a small town in eastern Serbia, who`s inhabitens were orthodox, declared as Serbs, and fought the Turks in First Serbian Uprising, but had mongolian characteristics, there ancestors were probably Pechenegs or Cumans... they were resetlled later, and mix with a more common Dinaric population, so the mongolian ellement was lost :D

[Onur]

Kvarc, most of the Cumans assimilated among Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Macedonians and among Turkish people. I am sure there was Cumans among Albanians, Serbo-Croats, Greeks too but they should be so few comparing with others.

[Incel King]

Norid + Alpinoid/Borreby

[Kiyant]

bump

[Anglojew]

There's 3 other threads here including
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69171-Classify-Mustafa-Kemal-Ataturk

Please search before posting.

[Hellenas]

Turko-Mongol

http://www.newsbomb.gr/media/k2/items/cache/146a2e4066cc8e561c431260d6afa63f_L.jpg

[Lusos]

Atlanto-Med-Residual Paleo Atlantid

[lonely forest]

He is simply Dinarid with Borreby....

[Jinn]

Nordic+Armenoid + Alpinid admix.

[Hochmeister]

That's why Russians called Cumans/Kypchaks as "Polovtsy"(Blonds).

Lol. "Polovtsy" doesn't mean "Blonds". Cumans/Kypchaks were considered to be Mong-looking in Russia.

[Partizan]

Lol. "Polovtsy" doesn't mean "Blonds". Cumans/Kypchaks were considered to be Mong-looking in Russia.

Good try:

The Cumans' name in Russian and German means "yellow", in reference to the color of the Cumans' hair.[28] The Ukrainian word Polovtsy (Пóловці) means "blond" / "pale yellow", since the old Ukrainian word polovo means "straw". Kuman (quba/quw) means "pale yellow" / "yellowish grey" / "pale/sallow, cream coloured" in Turkic.[29][30] Some authors put forward the idea that the name Polovtsy referred to "men of the field, or of the steppe" (from the Ukrainian word pole: open ground, field), not to be confused with polyane (cf. Greek polis: city). In Slavic languages the word 'polyane' literally means "open ground, field". According to O. Suleymenov polovtsy came from a word for "blue-eyed", since the Serbo-Croatian word plav means "blue":[31] the Eastern Slavic equivalent would take the regular form *polov. A west-Rus' chronograph refers to the Cumans as being called Половцы (Polovtsy) and Кум (Kum).[32] The western Cumans/Polovtsy were also called Sorochinetses by the Rus, this word deriving from sary chechle which means yellow haired in Turkic; the word was also evident in the Sary people, who went ahead of or were pushed by the Qun.[33][full citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans