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ButlerKing
12-01-2012, 08:28 AM
Note: Jomon comfirmed mtDNA are M7a, N9b since they are found in highest frequencies in ancient Jomon skeleton and in modern Ainu, Japanese, Okinawan. Jomon Y-DNA are C1 and D2 since they are found only in ancient Jomons and modern Japanese, Ainu, Okinawans. Other Jomon DNA that are not included in the graph are M10, M8 both are mtDNA and are found in ancient Jomons however Koreans have little of that too, so there's way of knowing if they were contributed by Koreans or by ancient Jomons but the Jomon mtDNA of Japanese will much higher if they were included.

N9b and M7a is the most predominate and found in all 3 Jomon groups sampled.

M7a

1) 7.1%
2) 30%
3) 3.7%

N9b

1) 64.3%
2) 60.1%
3) 13%


3 Jomon groups mtDNA
http://i49.tinypic.com/wtjddy.jpg


Japanese mtDNA

http://i46.tinypic.com/119nxhz.jpg

Another group of Jomon also had 13.5% of M7a and 10% of N9b but over 20% of M8 and and M10

Jomon mtDNA (N9b and M7a) in Japanese provinces

http://i49.tinypic.com/307t177.jpg


Jomon Y-DNA in ( C1 + D2a ) in Japanese provinces
http://i46.tinypic.com/2di0bkg.jpg

For Japanese

Jomon Y-DNA 36%
Jomon mtDNA 14%

For Okinawans

Jomon Y-DNA 60.2%
Jomon mtDNA 30%

Even with all the Jomon mtDNA and Y-DNA it does not mean they are closer to Jomon, in fact they are genetically very close to Yayoi. The autosomal DNA shows average Jomon blood for Japanese is only 17% while for Okinawans is higher but still predominately Yayoi, this explains why 99% of Japanese and 90% of Okinawans look very similar to Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians, Tibetans, and many North Vietnamese.

It's no surprise Japanese look like the way they do.
http://www.citynews.sg/wp-content/uploads/img1699.jpg

As do the Okinawan people.
http://thediplomat.com/a-new-japan/files/2011/05/Students-400x300.jpg

ButlerKing
12-01-2012, 08:36 AM
Most of the Jomon groups were conquered and assimilated by the Yaoi and Yamato Japanese. Only the Ainu today are last survivors of Jomon groups.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qTDAEasFLtU/SyOKBBb5rsI/AAAAAAAAGyM/6ZpteJ12F1c/s1600/Ainu+map.png

The Japanese of course saw the Ainu as barbarians because they looked extremmely different from them. However the Jomons were first conquered and later assimilated by the Yayoi and rather executing them or exterminating them they succeed in eliminating them with intermarriage.

The Ainu of Tohoku known as Emishi was later conquered by Japanese somewhere in the 7th century to 12th century, they gradually disappeared as an ethnic group. The Japanese later conquered the Ainu of southern Hokkaido in the 1600's, there Ainu also disappeared gradually, and during the Japanese empire in 1868 they ruled over all of Hokkaido and poured millions of Japanese migrants to Hokkaido. The Japanese also introduced diseases to wipe out the Ainu and reducing it's number, those who were alive were further diluted of their identity with intermarriages with Japanese. Today there's only about 100 Ainu who are almost pure today.

Atlantic Islander
12-01-2012, 09:01 AM
Most of the Jomon groups were conquered and assimilated by the Yaoi and Yamato Japanese.

I think you misspelled one of those words. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi)

Englisc
12-01-2012, 09:08 AM
I think you misspelled one of those words. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi)
I hope he did.

ButlerKing
12-01-2012, 09:11 AM
I think you misspelled one of those words. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi)

Doesn't matter.


The pre Jomon contribution to Ainu

Y-DNA is 75% - 87.5% D2a
mtDNA is 18.5 - 23% ( M7a is 15-18% and N9b 5-7%)

The Nilvkh contribution to Ainu

Y-DNA is 12.5% - 25% C3
mtDNA is 30% - 40% ( G and Y )

Japanese men and women intermarried with Ainu too. A portion of Ainu mtDNA are from Japanese and some haplogroup D2 in the Ainu may have also derived from Japanese males.

Jackson
12-01-2012, 09:11 AM
Interesting stuff, I've learnt a little about the Jomon. So you say modern Japanese and Okinawans look very different from the old Jomon people, how so exactly?

ButlerKing
12-01-2012, 09:18 AM
Interesting stuff, I've learnt a little about the Jomon. So you say modern Japanese and Okinawans look very different from the old Jomon people, how so exactly?

Jomon were old mongoloid or proto-mongoloid people who were not effected by the ice age like Asians, Eskimo, Inuit ( and some aboriginal brazil Indian tribes)

Here are facial reconstruction of the Jomon women and men.

http://www.cinq-art.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/850e7884f5821ca8fbbaaee126e378d6.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2u7uo86.png

Jackson
12-01-2012, 09:35 AM
Jomon were old mongoloid or proto-mongoloid people who were not effected by the ice age like Asians, Eskimo, Inuit ( and some aboriginal brazil Indian tribes)

Here are facial reconstruction of the Jomon women and men.

http://www.cinq-art.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/850e7884f5821ca8fbbaaee126e378d6.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2u7uo86.png

Wow, they do look quite different. And thanks for the post, very interesting.

ButlerKing
12-01-2012, 11:18 AM
I will like to point out that the Jomon may look caucasian but are not because they are caucasoid in any racial anthropology only their cranial features resembles caucasians.