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Fortis in Arduis
12-02-2012, 08:07 AM
My wife teaches French to tenth-grade students at a private school here in Mumbai. During one recent class, she asked these mostly upper-middle-class kids to complete the sentence “J'admire …” with the name of the historical figure they most admired.

To say she was disturbed by the results would be to understate her reaction. Of 25 students in the class, 9 picked Adolf Hitler, making him easily the highest vote-getter in this particular exercise; a certain Mohandas Gandhi was the choice of precisely one student. Discussing the idea of courage with other students once, my wife was startled by the contempt they had for Gandhi. “He was a coward!” they said. And as far back as 2002, the Times of India reported a survey that found that 17 percent of students in elite Indian colleges “favored Adolf Hitler as the kind of leader India ought to have.”


In a place where Gandhi becomes a coward, perhaps Hitler becomes a hero.

Still, why Hitler? “He was a fantastic orator,” said the 10th-grade kids. “He loved his country; he was a great patriot. He gave back to Germany a sense of pride they had lost after the Treaty of Versailles,” they said.

"And what about the millions he murdered?” asked my wife. “Oh, yes, that was bad,” said the kids. “But you know what, some of them were traitors.”

Admiring Hitler for his oratorical skills? Surreal enough. Add to that the easy condemnation of his millions of victims as traitors. Add to that the characterization of this man as a patriot. I mean, in a short dozen years, Hitler led Germany through a scarcely believable orgy of blood to utter shame and wholesale destruction. Even the mere thought of calling such a man a patriot profoundly corrupts—is violently antithetical to—the idea of patriotism.

But these are kids, you think, and kids say the darndest things. Except this is no easily written-off experience. The evidence is that Hitler has plenty of admirers in India, plenty of whom are by no means kids.

Consider Mein Kampf, Hitler’s autobiography. Reviled it might be in the much of the world, but Indians buy thousands of copies of it every month. As a recent paper in the journal EPW tells us (PDF), there are over a dozen Indian publishers who have editions of the book on the market. Jaico, for example, printed its 55th edition in 2010, claiming to have sold 100,000 copies in the previous seven years. (Contrast this to the 3,000 copies my own 2009 book, Roadrunner, has sold). In a country where 10,000 copies sold makes a book a bestseller, these are significant numbers.

And the approval goes beyond just sales. Mein Kampf is available for sale on flipkart.com, India’s Amazon. As I write this, 51 customers have rated the book; 35 of those gave it a five-star rating. What’s more, there’s a steady trickle of reports that say it has become a must-read for business-school students; a management guide much like Spencer Johnson’s Who Moved My Cheese or Edward de Bono’s Lateral Thinking. If this undistinguished artist could take an entire country with him, I imagine the reasoning goes, surely his book has some lessons for future captains of industry?

Much of Hitler’s Indian afterlife is the legacy of Bal Thackeray, chief of the Shiv Sena party who died on Nov. 17.

Thackeray freely, openly, and often admitted his admiration for Hitler, his book, the Nazis, and their methods. In 1993, for example, he gave an interview to Time magazine. “There is nothing wrong,” he said then, “if [Indian] Muslims are treated as Jews were in Nazi Germany.”

It’s no wonder they cling to almost comically superficial ideas of courage and patriotism, in which a megalomaniac’s every ghastly crime is forgotten so long as we can pretend that he ‘loved’ his country.

This interview came only months after the December 1992 and January 1993 riots in Mumbai, which left about a thousand Indians slaughtered, the majority of them Muslim. Thackeray was active right through those weeks, writing editorial after editorial in his party mouthpiece, “Saamna” (“Confrontation”) about how to “treat” Muslims.

On Dec. 9, 1992, for example, his editorial contained these lines: “Pakistan need not cross the borders and attack India. 250 million Muslims in India will stage an armed insurrection. They form one of Pakistan’s seven atomic bombs.”

A month later, on Jan. 8, 1993, there was this: “Muslims of Bhendi Bazar, Null Bazar, Dongri and Pydhonie, the areas [of Mumbai] we call Mini Pakistan … must be shot on the spot.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/30/hitler-s-strange-afterlife-in-india.html

Nurzat
12-02-2012, 08:26 AM
i've heard indian people speaking bad of gandhi before. i am not surprised with youths preferring hitler

Anglojew
12-02-2012, 08:38 AM
25% of people are stupid what can I say?

Ulex
12-02-2012, 09:07 AM
I have had similar experiences in Mumbai, when I was there to do some work. I used to relax at the famous "Leopold Café", whenever I had the time, and one day a young, Indian guy asked it he could sit by my table. I looked at hm. He was the intellectual type, working as a lawyer for a big company. I told him to sit down and tell me about India, a country which I despise and am attracted to at the same time.

Judging from his almost Western intellectual appearance, I was preparing mentally to get to listen to some of that modern Western European bullshit about tolerance and humanity, which he was probably taught at his university, but no... He gave me a very interesting lecture about what he called "the problems of democracy" and its inability to ever solve the social and economic problems of India. If this guy was living in Germany, he surely would have been locked up in prison with charges of national socialist thought crime.

I spent a couple of months in Mumbai, and I learned that the believes of this young lawyer was shared by almost any Indian with a work. That democracy stinks and that the much higher birthrate of "dark" people, who can not support themselves by own means, is the biggest menage to society.

And it is true... Ghandi is not at all as popular in India as he is in Western Europe, where he almost has the status of a God.

Ulex
12-02-2012, 09:09 AM
25% of people are stupid what can I say?

25% percent of India is one hell of a lot people. But anyway, it is my experience that these "stupid" Indians are much better at expressing themselves in a one-liner than you.

Fortis in Arduis
12-02-2012, 09:09 AM
25% of people are stupid what can I say?

You cannot really say much at all, because these are elite students.

National Socialism and variants thereof are perfectly practicable forms of political economy, and can even be integrated within, and thus augment an ordinary international capitalist economy.

Just because Hitler was the most famous example and he lost his dumb imperialist war, it does not mean that one should not take from National Socialism what might be of benefit, a notion not lost on many Revisionist Zionists of yore.

Gandhi allowed the secession of parts of India into Islamic states, and millions of people died as a result, Hindu and Muslim. Not a hero, but a traitor.

Belenus
12-02-2012, 09:33 AM
If it takes National Socialism for the Hindus to throw the Muslims out of their lands, it'll be well worth it.

Fortis in Arduis
12-02-2012, 09:40 AM
If it takes National Socialism for the Hindus to throw the Muslims out of their lands, it'll be well worth it.

They could revert to a form of Hinduism, or embrace Buddhism, but, you see, Islam and Christianity are slave religions and they are spreading like wildfire amongst low-caste people, and even the educated middle-class.

I encountered Christian missionaries in India, and I found it quite shocking, and Gandhi and Congress have partly brainwashed Indians into accepting a secularist approach which could be a trojan horse for Islamic revolution, especially when teamed with leftist ideology. This is what happened in Iran.

Think about it this way. How many Christians did it take to run India? Not many, and India was previously run by Muslims, before it became a slave state to the UK. :eek:

Dombra
12-02-2012, 11:11 AM
I think that there are more countries with people liking Hitler. It´s only the western world that´s seeing the faults with Hitler because for us, it was a different countries. In many counties 1930s mindsets are still standard. It doesn´t mean that they are stuck in the 30s but that are way of seing things is not universal.