swarthy brits

[TEUTORIGOS]

I change my opinion on 'swarthiness' to : who cares? What did you guys just stumble out of a shack in the Ozarks to bring us this message ? :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmfsPlRMf81MXR_CK6z0niIkrJe8--KACgBNhr4mZt3wcODDDW

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2bQOGvH6eq7sba0P8hIeXlbBwzdJ44 ijOm5X_VhChD71RRbxyZQ

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/656/535/large/wang-shijun-aijiyanhou.jpg?1476108525


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6tuzHUuuk

[TEUTORIGOS]

Still what nihilist is posting is utterly nosense.

This kind of pigmentation is far more common Among Germans than Among brits

http://i52.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0210/69/67082d2821344b327196099b26644a69.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8D5K1FYU8s

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-83dqH4Y5_m4/VhiM7kP1O7I/AAAAAAAARs8/xdOC1NFmEpg/s1600/Erwin-Rommel.jpg

GERMANS

Racial Characteristics:

Piggish-looking, sadomasochistic automatons whose only known forms of relaxation are swilling watery beer from vast tubs and singing the idiotically repetitive verses of their porcine folk tune-both of which amusements probably hark back to a prehuman state. Germans have never been successfully Christianized. Their language lacks any semblance of civilized speech. Their usual diet consists almost wholly of old cabbage and sections of animal intestines filled with blood and gore. Once every two or three decades, they set forth, lemming-like, on pointless military adventures during which great numbers of them are slaughtered-much to the improvement Of the world in general. Their lardy women have long, tangled masses of sticky
hair under their arms, and the men shave the sides of their heads.


Proper Form of Address:

Kraut, Hun, Heiny, spike-head, sausage-breath.

A German Joke of the War Years Illustrating Something of the German Character:

If your sister married a Jew-that will make you sauerkraut.
If your son married a Jew-that will make you bratwurst.
If your mother married a Jew-that will make you soap.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoLIU2NI66w

[HentaiBergamasco]

Having dark hair doesn't make one "swarthy".

[Dentist]

Orlando Bloom

http://www.nndb.com/people/778/000022712/orlando-bloom-01-crop.jpg

He is not swarthy.

[Übermensch]

Dark british people often are just dark haired (usually dark brown not black), most of dark brits still have pale skin and light (or mixed) eyes, true mediterranean phenotypes are rare.
On average brits are light brown/dark blond haired,blue eyed and extremly pale skinned.

[HentaiBergamasco]

What’s with the tags btw? LOL
Who’s inquiring mind?

[Roy]

He is not swarthy.

Orlando Bloom kinda is swarthy. Even if not at Pakistani level.

[TheMaestro]

my, most famous example, kate middleton


post your examples


If Kate Midleton is swarthy, then you are Black.

[Übermensch]

If Kate Midleton is swarthy, then you are Black.

Kate is very hot.

[TheMaestro]

Kate is very hot.

Okay, and why are you quoting me?

[Oliver109]

If Kate Midleton is swarthy, then you are Black.

She is sort of Swarthy though, look at this young pic of her
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/7d/ba/117dba07cc248e2f6f9bf0fac3ccc499--princess-photo-princess-kate.jpg

[TheMaestro]

She is sort of Swarthy though, look at this young pic of her
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/7d/ba/117dba07cc248e2f6f9bf0fac3ccc499--princess-photo-princess-kate.jpg

She can be pale too, also light eyes. As a kid blonde and pale too. And Britis are notorious for sunbathing etc.

[Übermensch]

She is sort of Swarthy though, look at this young pic of her
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/7d/ba/117dba07cc248e2f6f9bf0fac3ccc499--princess-photo-princess-kate.jpg

good looking gal

[Oliver109]

She can be pale too, also light eyes. As a kid blonde and pale too. And Britis are notorious for sunbathing etc.

Never seen a pale pic of her, pale would be more like Zara Tindall and her very British looking family
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/D6BC/production/_92727945_51209245-e5cd-48a0-9a98-95443ae343c5.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Never seen a pale pic of her, pale would be more like Zara Tindall and her very British looking family
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/D6BC/production/_92727945_51209245-e5cd-48a0-9a98-95443ae343c5.jpg

More natural photos of Kate:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/The_Duke_and_Duchess_Cambridge_at_Commonwealth_Big _Lunch_on_22_March_2018_-_120_%28cropped%29.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/0e/28/2d/0e282d3f0f2fe3c2fa3dfccf2671bad4.jpghttps://www.geo.tv/assets/uploads/updates/2022-04-16/411844_592870_updates.jpg

[Oliver109]

More natural photos of Kate:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/The_Duke_and_Duchess_Cambridge_at_Commonwealth_Big _Lunch_on_22_March_2018_-_120_%28cropped%29.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/0e/28/2d/0e282d3f0f2fe3c2fa3dfccf2671bad4.jpghttps://www.geo.tv/assets/uploads/updates/2022-04-16/411844_592870_updates.jpg

Still more of a golden complexion, even in France she would be in the darker 50% but not as "exotic" looking as her sister of course.

[Tooting Carmen]

Still more of a golden complexion, even in France she would be in the darker 50% but not as "exotic" looking as her sister of course.

I don't think Kate is as unusual for Britain as you seem to be inferring - even in the Netherlands, there are quite a few women with skin as tanned if not more than hers. Look at the crowd here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqN9aS2S3L0

[Oliver109]

I don't think Kate is as unusual for Britain as you seem to be inferring - even in the Netherlands, there are quite a few women with skin as tanned if not more than hers. Look at the crowd here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqN9aS2S3L0

Netherlands probably has more people with a golden complexion than England, especially the southern Netherlands, in Britain i would probably put such a look down to Roman influence or maybe Gaulish influence, outside the South it is rare, maybe around 5%.

[arkas]

How common are types like Kit Harrington?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGUHs7156bxiPkcRtFHhj3-Rn2ApuQV-4TDQ&usqp=CAU

[Oliver109]

How common are types like Kit Harrington?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGUHs7156bxiPkcRtFHhj3-Rn2ApuQV-4TDQ&usqp=CAU

Common, he looks uber typical

[Übermensch]

How common are types like Kit Harrington?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGUHs7156bxiPkcRtFHhj3-Rn2ApuQV-4TDQ&usqp=CAU

extremly rare, types like Paul Bettany are way more common...

[Tooting Carmen]

Common, he looks uber typical

Yes, without the tan and the mass facial hair he often has, he doesn't look so unusual.

[Ellethwyn]

Victoria Beckham

https://vz.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Victoria-Beckham.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

extremly rare, types like Paul Bettany are way more common...

Most British men are somewhere in between both, such as Hugh Grant and Jeremy Kyle.

[Andullero]

Most British men are somewhere in between both, such as Hugh Grant and Jeremy Kyle.

Would you say Jay Kay (from Jamiroquai) qualifies as a "swarthy Brit"? On my masters in Europe I had an Italian teacher that was a dead ringer of the guy, so to speak.

[Tooting Carmen]

Would you say Jay Kay (from Jamiroquai) qualifies as a "swarthy Brit"? On my masters in Europe I had an Italian teacher that was a dead ringer of the guy, so to speak.

I wouldn't say it is his complexion that is so out of the ordinary, but his features are. He looks a bit like Keanu Reeves:
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article256626.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/cos-jay-kay-417903357.jpg

As can be seen here, while he does tan quite well, his natural skin is actually quite pale:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Jay+Kay+s+balcony+time+-OduTE4uqnzx.jpg

[NSXD60]

Swarthy Brits are not Gyps
Far too lit are their lips
Doesn't quit for their nips
Can't omit naughty bits

[Septentrion]

Rowan Atkinson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rowan_Atkinson_2011_2.jpg

British people are the palest-skinned people on earth! Why concentrate on their "swarthy" minorities? They are of no importance, unless you have an agenda like the OP.

[Creoda]

Jamiroquai guy is half Portuguese.


Swarthy Brits are not Gyps
Far too lit are their lips
Doesn't quit for their nips
Can't omit naughty bits
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.91cHM3b2jtC4Rz9OdkKUpwHaFj?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

[TheMaestro]

Never seen a pale pic of her, pale would be more like Zara Tindall and her very British looking family


You are just proving you should not be in any taxonomies sections. Ability to tan doesnt mean someone is normally swarthy.



https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+as+achild&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi3tbaku6L3AhWX44UKHYTdCgMQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+as+achild&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjo GCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABADOggIABCABBCxAzoICAAQsQMQg wE6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBUJ0FWJMXYPoXaAJwAHgAgAFHiAHjBJI BAjExmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=guRfYrfsM5fHlwSEu6sY#imgrc=MHqUZzCYtN8hWM

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[Übermensch]

You are just proving you should not be in any taxonomies sections. Ability to tan doesnt mean someone is normally swarthy.



https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+as+achild&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi3tbaku6L3AhWX44UKHYTdCgMQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+as+achild&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjo GCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABADOggIABCABBCxAzoICAAQsQMQg wE6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBUJ0FWJMXYPoXaAJwAHgAgAFHiAHjBJI BAjExmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=guRfYrfsM5fHlwSEu6sY#imgrc=MHqUZzCYtN8hWM

https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwix-M6tu6L3AhUKUBoKHXMfAXsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIECAAQAzI ICAAQgAQQsQMyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDATIICAAQgAQQs QMyCAgAEIAEELEDMggIABCABBCxAzILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQg AEIAEUMkDWNgEYLAMaABwAHgAgAE1iAGYAZIBATOYAQCgAQGqA Qtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=luRfYrHVB4qgafO-hNgH#imgrc=CLpQFyNRWz4hwM


https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwix-M6tu6L3AhUKUBoKHXMfAXsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIECAAQAzI ICAAQgAQQsQMyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDATIICAAQgAQQs QMyCAgAEIAEELEDMggIABCABBCxAzILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQg AEIAEUMkDWNgEYLAMaABwAHgAgAE1iAGYAZIBATOYAQCgAQGqA Qtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=luRfYrHVB4qgafO-hNgH#imgrc=n_EyMo2snpC__M

https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwix-M6tu6L3AhUKUBoKHXMfAXsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIECAAQAzI ICAAQgAQQsQMyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDATIICAAQgAQQs QMyCAgAEIAEELEDMggIABCABBCxAzILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQg AEIAEUMkDWNgEYLAMaABwAHgAgAE1iAGYAZIBATOYAQCgAQGqA Qtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=luRfYrHVB4qgafO-hNgH#imgrc=NtSMGlAxu65QUM

At least he knows about taxonomy a lot more than you do!
aren't you the one who says ''taxonomy'' is ''pseudo-science''?

[Oliver109]

You are just proving you should not be in any taxonomies sections. Ability to tan doesnt mean someone is normally swarthy.



https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+as+achild&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi3tbaku6L3AhWX44UKHYTdCgMQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+as+achild&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjo GCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABADOggIABCABBCxAzoICAAQsQMQg wE6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBUJ0FWJMXYPoXaAJwAHgAgAFHiAHjBJI BAjExmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=guRfYrfsM5fHlwSEu6sY#imgrc=MHqUZzCYtN8hWM

https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwix-M6tu6L3AhUKUBoKHXMfAXsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kate+middleton+&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIECAAQAzI ICAAQgAQQsQMyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDATIICAAQgAQQs QMyCAgAEIAEELEDMggIABCABBCxAzILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQg AEIAEUMkDWNgEYLAMaABwAHgAgAE1iAGYAZIBATOYAQCgAQGqA Qtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=luRfYrHVB4qgafO-hNgH#imgrc=CLpQFyNRWz4hwM


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It's not just about the ability to tan, she looked quite i don't know how to put it, maybe sallow as a child, plenty of fairly pale people can tan pretty well, Middleton on the other hand had a definite Meddish complexion like Bulgarians.

[Übermensch]

It's not just about the ability to tan, she looked quite i don't know how to put it, maybe sallow as a child, plenty of fairly pale people can tan pretty well, Middleton on the other hand had a definite Meddish complexion like Bulgarians.

I agree bro!
She lacks the pasty complexion that most of british people have...
Altough her skin is still very light, she would look like an albino in Iberia...

[Erronkari]

I was thinking in Daniel Day Lewis but probably is not a good example since the only dark in him is his hair.
His eyes seem light coloured mixed and his skin tone is relatively fair…

https://i.ibb.co/PMcgN2d/FF17-A3-C2-D6-B0-403-B-A95-B-F04-A7-B3-DB5-A3.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/KFdXKBT/E239-E168-91-B0-473-B-A540-35-D23-D18-D25-C.webp (https://ibb.co/J5VK38D)
imagenes solo tu (https://es.imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/SxMbwjk/CEAA4-E16-18-D4-4563-9438-267983-EA673-A.jpg (https://ibb.co/fSyfdg3)

[Creoda]

Daniel Day-Lewis is half Jewish, you may as well put Idris Elba as an example of a 'swarthy Brit'.

[Erronkari]

Daniel Day-Lewis is half Jewish, you may as well put Idris Elba as an example of a 'swarthy Brit'.

I’m sorry, I didn’t know that fact…

[mitalit]

Swarthy brits tend to look like Craig Roberts imo
https://celebvogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Craig-Roberts.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Ed Westwick

https://static1.abc.es/media/estilo/2018/12/16/ed-westwick-kFQF--1248x698@abc.jpg

[TheMaestro]

At least he knows about taxonomy a lot more than you do!
aren't you the one who says ''taxonomy'' is ''pseudo-science''?

Whats your problem? He doesnt know jack shit and I called him out 50 times it's useless discussing with him at this point.
Until you fix your retard face, don't talk to me thanks.

[Übermensch]

Ed Westwick

https://static1.abc.es/media/estilo/2018/12/16/ed-westwick-kFQF--1248x698@abc.jpg

still whiter than average iberian.

[Sam Ryan]

Monty Python members are not swarthy at all. Idle and Cleese for example are just ordinary Kelto-Atlantid Brits, while Chapman for example is more Nordoid.

Their complexion isn't that dark but not what you'd call milky.

114193 Monty Python

114192 Beatles

Also Timothy Dalton is pretty dark. 114194 He apparently has Italian ancestry but this has not been officially verified.

[Sam Ryan]

How much admixture from outside the British Isles disqualifies someone from being a native Brit? Just wondering a percent?

[lockdownboredom]

if only more Scotts looked like this bird

https://i.ibb.co/m67ghMK/see.jpg

[Ellethwyn]

David Gandy

https://fashionfetishes.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/david-gandy-fd0013.jpg?w=1080

[MobyD]

She is sort of Swarthy though, look at this young pic of her
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/7d/ba/117dba07cc248e2f6f9bf0fac3ccc499--princess-photo-princess-kate.jpg

A type II with a minimal tan, not much difference between her skin tone and Reese Witherspoon's....
https://people.com/thmb/8mBLHb7NnjjvDDyYBL1xvRkYwww=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc() :focal(999x0:1001x2)/reese-witherspoon3-9ffe7c46fde3425fb454849a3130a471.jpg

[Oliver109]

How much admixture from outside the British Isles disqualifies someone from being a native Brit? Just wondering a percent?

I would say if you have one grandparent or more who isn't British within the last 300 years that would be enough to disqualify one as a native Brit.

[MobyD]

I would say if you have one grandparent or more who isn't British within the last 300 years that would be enough to disqualify one as a native Brit.

Even if that person has lived their entire life in Britain and is enamored in British culture? You're a real piece of work.

[Oliver109]

Even if that person has lived their entire life in Britain and is enamored in British culture? You're a real piece of work.

Well yes, Nigel Farage for example is a patriot, i like him but he still isn't native, it is something that is factual more than anything.

[turbosat]

I would say if you have one grandparent or more who isn't British within the last 300 years that would be enough to disqualify one as a native Brit.

Princess Diana was not native Brit?

Diana's fourth great-grandmother in her direct maternal line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality), Eliza Kewark, was matrilineally of Indian descent. She is variously described in contemporary documents as "a dark-skinned native woman" and "an Armenian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians) woman from Bombay".

[MobyD]

Well yes, Nigel Farage for example is a patriot, i like him but he still isn't native, it is something that is factual more than anything.

K.

[Oliver109]

Princess Diana was not native Brit?

Diana's fourth great-grandmother in her direct maternal line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality), Eliza Kewark, was matrilineally of Indian descent. She is variously described in contemporary documents as "a dark-skinned native woman" and "an Armenian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians) woman from Bombay".

Not truly native imo, didn't hear about the Armenian heritage until recently but that probably explains why her facial features are quite middle eastern in some aspects. People will say that Diana was native because she did look more or less English but i don't think she would have been considered native had she looked like a female Gary Linekar.

[Sam Ryan]

Steven Edginton here. So many English guys look like him. Hes a bit dark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4zZ2ker1iI&t=431s

[Grace O'Malley]

She is sort of Swarthy though, look at this young pic of her
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/7d/ba/117dba07cc248e2f6f9bf0fac3ccc499--princess-photo-princess-kate.jpg

Kate is not swarthy. She looks very normal for an English woman and she wouldn't look out of place in Scotland, Wales or Ireland for that matter. Someone like Russell Brand is a bit on the swarthy side though still British feature-wise.

Someone like Cheryl Cole's brother looks swarthy and foreign even though there is no exotic ancestry to account for his look. He'd fit in the Caucasus.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article115832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/tweedies-image-1-371733446.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Princess Diana was not native Brit?

Diana's fourth great-grandmother in her direct maternal line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality), Eliza Kewark, was matrilineally of Indian descent. She is variously described in contemporary documents as "a dark-skinned native woman" and "an Armenian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians) woman from Bombay".

No one would think Diana is not an Englishwoman. She is more British for example than King Charles who has a lot of non-English ancestry. Someone like Billy Connolly's Scottishness is never questioned even though he has a large amount of Irish ancestry and is 1/32 Indian.

[Sam Ryan]

I hope most people think Connolly is Scottish.

[Odelia]

Kate is not swarthy. She looks very normal for an English woman and she wouldn't look out of place in Scotland, Wales or Ireland for that matter. Someone like Russell Brand is a bit on the swarthy side though still British feature-wise.

Someone like Cheryl Cole's brother looks swarthy and foreign even though there is no exotic ancestry to account for his look. He'd fit in the Caucasus.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article115832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/tweedies-image-1-371733446.jpg
He's exotic even for the Caucasus with his mongloid shaped eyes. Fits more in Afghanistan.

[Grace O'Malley]

He's exotic even for the Caucasus with his mongloid shaped eyes. Fits more in Afghanistan.

He's very atypical. I'd love to see his dna results if he ever tested.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/29/00/47220389-9936495-_This_is_the_lowest_I_ve_ever_been_Cheryl_s_brothe r_Andrew_Tweed-m-4_1630192845403.jpg

[MobyD]

He's exotic even for the Caucasus with his mongloid shaped eyes. Fits more in Afghanistan.

Mother most likely cheated….

[Odelia]

He's very atypical. I'd love to see his dna results if he ever tested.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/29/00/47220389-9936495-_This_is_the_lowest_I_ve_ever_been_Cheryl_s_brothe r_Andrew_Tweed-m-4_1630192845403.jpg
Now he looks Turkish lmao! But can he pass as the 'strandid' type? This pheno is found in the far northern european regions, from the UK to most especially Scandinavia. I don't think he's that off when these ethnic northern european are taken into account:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--TaXzLIAeyw/W-00gBqaAEI/AAAAAAAABkI/v4vxsltL3F8v1I-XZ595l3GbX_iSS6yewCLcBGAs/s1600/Strandid.jpg
https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1326278331p8/313653.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Now he looks Turkish lmao! But can he pass as the 'strandid' type? This pheno is found in the far northern european regions, from the UK to most especially Scandinavia. I don't think he's that off when these ethnic northern european are taken into account:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--TaXzLIAeyw/W-00gBqaAEI/AAAAAAAABkI/v4vxsltL3F8v1I-XZ595l3GbX_iSS6yewCLcBGAs/s1600/Strandid.jpg
https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1326278331p8/313653.jpg

I would think he had some foreign ancestry by looking at him but I know that isn't always the case. Any population can have some very atypical people so if a dna test said he was of Northwestern European dna that would be proof. He is highly likely to not have any non-European ancestry but it would be interesting to see his dna result not MyHeritage though as nearly everyone gets some exotic and unusual ancestry with that test.

[White Swan]

I would think he had some foreign ancestry by looking at him but I know that isn't always the case. Any population can have some very atypical people so if a dna test said he was of Northwestern European dna that would be proof. He is highly likely to not have any non-European ancestry but it would be interesting to see his dna result not MyHeritage though as nearly everyone gets some exotic and unusual ancestry with that test.

What causes phenotypic outliers? Long-latent common origin derived genes that we would normally associate with another population of similar origin? Abnormal mixtures of mom and dad's phenotypes? Both?

[Grace O'Malley]

What causes phenotypic outliers? Long-latent common origin derived genes that we would normally associate with another population of similar origin? Abnormal mixtures of mom and dad's phenotypes? Both?

That's a good question. It's most probably just natural variation. Living creatures are always adapting so for survival it's most probably beneficial to have some variation. I do post him a lot but how many people would think Darren O'Dea is fully Irish if they saw him on the street?

https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2019/05/darren-odea-10-752x501.jpg

[White Swan]

That's a good question. It's most probably just natural variation. Living creatures are always adapting so for survival it's most probably beneficial to have some variation. I do post him a lot but how many people would think Darren O'Dea is fully Irish if they saw him on the street?

https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2019/05/darren-odea-10-752x501.jpg

Good point, variation, or better put in this light, novelty, does have its place is the generational survival spectrum as well, that is sexual market place value increasing somewhat with rare features.

I am one of those with some Irish genes who have "Asian looking" eyes, as he is. And the nose looks Irish to me, though I am definitely a half-hearted novice in this area. But full Irish? Wouldn't know it, I presume even if I was beyond novice-ship haha.

[Grace O'Malley]

Good point, variation, or better put in this light, novelty, does have its place is the generational survival spectrum as well, that is sexual market place value increasing somewhat with rare features.

I am one of those with some Irish genes who have "Asian looking" eyes, as he is. And the nose looks Irish to me, though I am definitely a half-hearted novice in this area. But full Irish? Wouldn't know it, I presume even if I was beyond novice-ship haha.

He is only pseudo-Asian looking and yes his features are not particularly Asian. He is a topic for people though because of his appearance. Even in small populations there can be a lot of variety in phenotype.

[Septentrion]

That's a good question. It's most probably just natural variation. Living creatures are always adapting so for survival it's most probably beneficial to have some variation. I do post him a lot but how many people would think Darren O'Dea is fully Irish if they saw him on the street?

https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2019/05/darren-odea-10-752x501.jpg

You’re right. I wouldn’t think of D. O’Dea as Irish immediately but rather looks Icelandic, West Norwegian to an extent Finnish.

[Septentrion]

He is only pseudo-Asian looking and yes his features are not particularly Asian. He is a topic for people though because of his appearance. Even in small populations there can be a lot of variety in phenotype.

His features are not Asian rather very Northern or North-East European looks. This is due to the strong CM racial component in the Irish population. He would fit within the Strandid phenotype.

[PaganPoet]

Obvious Asian influence.

[Septentrion]

Obvious Asian influence.

Oh please hush. There is no Asian influence in Ireland. The ethnic Irish people fully belong to the white ( Europid) race.

[PaganPoet]

There is Asian influence in Europe. Mongoloid traits in Europeans are not coincidence.

[Creoda]

There is Asian influence in Europe. Mongoloid traits in Europeans are not coincidence.
Only in Eastern Europe. In Western Europe pseudo-Mongolic traits are from deep European Hunter Gatherer ancestry.

[PaganPoet]

Only in Eastern Europe. In Western Europe pseudo-Mongolic traits are from deep European Hunter Gatherer ancestry.

That sounds really simplistic and ridiculous. As if there is some imaginary border that decides wether someone's traits are mongoloid or coincidence in such a small place like Europe.

[Creoda]

That sounds really simplistic and ridiculous. As if there is some imaginary border that decides wether someone's traits are mongoloid or coincidence in such a small place like Europe.
No, it's a historical and genetic fact that the Mongols or any other East Asians had no influence on Western Europe. So there's only one conclusion in NW Europe, that such features are deeply European.

[PaganPoet]

No, it's a historical and genetic fact that the Mongols or any other East Asians had no influence on Western Europe. So there's only one conclusion in NW Europe, that such features are deeply European.

You forgot the Huns.

If it were an argument for Viking ancestry and presence and bringing genes from far away langs) in the past, people would agree of course. Because Vikings were "aaargh", and if you have Viking ancestry you are "aaargh" yourself too.

Are there any reconstructed ancient Europeans with there traits? I haven't seen any...

So your opinion would be....
https://www.vlaamsbrabant.be/sites/default/files/styles/image_style_1_1_square_sm/public/media/images/2020-04/louis-tobback-provincieraadslid.jpg?h=1e895c1a&itok=TrjuAtDX
https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-ZX5pvrnVtY8CBs4HAp989XH-ac/diocontent/62838112/_fill/1350/900/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.9
This person is Belgian, 100%. So he isn't Mongoloid to you.
If he were represented from Hungary or further east he would be indeed.
If he were represented as Spanish, you would think he looks super Iberian.

Bias is rampant on this forum, and even encouraged. Just to intensify your European identity.

[White Swan]

You’re right. I wouldn’t think of D. O’Dea as Irish immediately but rather looks Icelandic, West Norwegian to an extent Finnish.

I wonder if some old viking genes came through, makes sense to me. I also wonder what his family looks like.

[PaganPoet]

I wonder if some old viking genes came through, makes sense to me. I also wonder what his family looks like.

Just like I expected, if it is from Vikings bringing genes from far away lands it is an accepted theory...

[White Swan]

Just like I expected, if it is from Vikings bringing genes from far away lands it is an accepted theory...

Maybe that's why they have some of those traits, maybe not. The hunter gatherer thing makes sense too.

[Creoda]

You forgot the Huns.

If it were an argument for Viking ancestry and presence and bringing genes from far away langs) in the past, people would agree of course. Because Vikings were "aaargh", and if you have Viking ancestry you are "aaargh" yourself too.

Are there any reconstructed ancient Europeans with there traits? I haven't seen any...
Not that I put much stock into artistic reconstructions, but an Eastern European Hunter Gatherer (EHG) reconstruction:
https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=S1gJMxE9GpYFjIYNITxSGkFxexUX.....yc
Western Europeans have a lot of EHG ancestry.


So your opinion would be....
https://www.vlaamsbrabant.be/sites/default/files/styles/image_style_1_1_square_sm/public/media/images/2020-04/louis-tobback-provincieraadslid.jpg?h=1e895c1a&itok=TrjuAtDX
https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-ZX5pvrnVtY8CBs4HAp989XH-ac/diocontent/62838112/_fill/1350/900/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.9

This person is Belgian, 100%. So he isn't Mongoloid to you.
If he were represented from Hungary or further east he would be indeed.
If he were represented as Spanish, you would think he looks super Iberian.If he is fully European by blood then he is by default not Mongoloid/East Asian; and he doesn't even look close to Mongoloid, get your squinty Belgian eyes checked.


Bias is rampant on this forum, and even encouraged. Just to intensify your European identity.
I have no need or desire to intensify European identity. That is for people bordering Asians and Africans.

[PaganPoet]

Maybe that's why they have some of those traits, maybe not. The hunter gatherer thing makes sense too.

Those reconstructions look too different.
It is most likely from immigration in earlier medieval times, after the migration period.

[PaganPoet]

he doesn't even look close to Mongoloid

If he were represented as a non European, you would think totally different.
You are confirming your bias. "If he were 100% European", because you still doubt he is.
Like I said: bias.

[PaganPoet]

"yes but Asians look different because this and that feature"
Of course, it is ADMIXTURE I am talking about.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just like I expected, if it is from Vikings bringing genes from far away lands it is an accepted theory...

I don't know why it has to come from Vikings. Irish have been in Northwestern Europe since the Bronze Age. There are other Irish with that pseudo-Asian look. Why not look at ANE which is old and shared with Native Americans? Whatever the reason it most likely is just part of the Irish (and other Europeans) phenotype spectrum.

Frank McCourt of Angela's Ashes fame when young looks a bit eastern to me.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/bf/89/9b/bf899b82fde3c6e7851e9c6a603b0039.jpg

[PaganPoet]

I don't know why it has to come from Vikings. Irish have been in Northwestern Europe since the Bronze Age. There are other Irish with that pseudo-Asian look. Why not look at ANE which is old and shared with Native Americans? Whatever the reason it most likely is just part of the Irish (and other Europeans) phenotype spectrum.

Frank McCourt of Angela's Ashes fame when young looks a bit eastern to me.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/bf/89/9b/bf899b82fde3c6e7851e9c6a603b0039.jpg

So there must be some of reconstructed skeletons from ancient Irish with these features too?

[Grace O'Malley]

So there must be some of reconstructed skeletons from ancient Irish with these features too?

No they haven't gone down that path too much at the moment. The only one I'm aware of is this Dubliner from about 500 years ago which isn't very back in the scheme of things. This one was done by the John Moore University in Liverpool.

https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/2gCPqavUfWmnwftBOX4N4zgnEqM=/1000x750/filters:no_upscale()/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/33/7c/337c07f6-5ba1-4810-8713-af3fc8d44538/facialreconst.jpg

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/3-d-reconstruction-reveals-face-500-year-old-irishman-180963886/

[Grace O'Malley]

Actually there is an old one. One of the Rathlins from 4,000 years ago.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/36c75f2f4b669d612fd2cb2ee18e90f918baba75da950c94df 9f367fb415cfa7_1.webp

[PaganPoet]

[QUOTE=Grace O'Malley;7713883]No they haven't gone down that path too much at the moment.
Exactly my point
There probably isn't much of a "path". I will start believing these features are a coincidence if reconstructions of ancient Europeans look like this too.

[Grace O'Malley]

[QUOTE=Grace O'Malley;7713883]No they haven't gone down that path too much at the moment.
Exactly my point
There probably isn't much of a "path". I will start believing these features are a coincidence if reconstructions of ancient Europeans look like this too.

We have genetics though and history so it isn't much of a mystery.

[PaganPoet]

Actually there is an old one. One of the Rathlins from 4,000 years ago.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/36c75f2f4b669d612fd2cb2ee18e90f918baba75da950c94df 9f367fb415cfa7_1.webp

As Un-Asiatic as it can be. This reconstruction is probably more of an example of a "pure" European look.

[White Swan]

"yes but Asians look different because this and that feature"
Of course, it is ADMIXTURE I am talking about.

So, can I get some insight as to why this is such a hot topic for you?

And aren't recreations like 80% guessing, based off of assumptions? In other words, bias?

[Grace O'Malley]

As Un-Asiatic as it can be. This reconstruction is probably more of an example of a "pure" European look.

Yes indeed but that is one man. As we know a population can have very similar genetics and have quite a range of phenotypes. You can even see this in families.

[Creoda]

Actually there is an old one. One of the Rathlins from 4,000 years ago.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/36c75f2f4b669d612fd2cb2ee18e90f918baba75da950c94df 9f367fb415cfa7_1.webp
There are also some British Bell Beaker reconstructions
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9X5mKV7Qmtg/XE1EJXtpW6I/AAAAAAAAitk/pUcF24Jp7CEm4WLPNgm6h0rXP0uruF3MACLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2019-01-26%2Bat%2B11.37.00%2BPM.png
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/11/df/48/11df4833b536bc789fc161e5cf6dade2.jpg
But like I said I don't put much stock into reconstructions. The Cheddar Man portrayal alone left a sour taste, and the two most famous Neolithic British reconstructions are absurd.

[PaganPoet]

So, can I get some insight as to why this is such a hot topic for you?

And aren't recreations like 80% guessing, based off of assumptions? In other words, bias?

Because people don't want to see the obvious.
That is like denying South East Asians don't have Australoid admixture "because we have no proof of Aboriginals coming to South east Asia, they just look dark because of the sun".
People here seem to be appalled by the idea of having, from a biological point of view, non white admixture.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yes indeed but that is one man. As we know a population can have very similar genetics and have quite a range of phenotypes. You can even see this in families.

My mom and her sisters prove this. You see four distinct eye colors, and you see four distinct hair colors, and I don't think that we need Maury Povich to explain it.

[Anglo-Celtic]

There are also some British Bell Beaker reconstructions
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9X5mKV7Qmtg/XE1EJXtpW6I/AAAAAAAAitk/pUcF24Jp7CEm4WLPNgm6h0rXP0uruF3MACLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2019-01-26%2Bat%2B11.37.00%2BPM.png

That explains my features. I must descend from her tribe.

[PaganPoet]

My mom and her sisters prove this. You see four distinct eye colors, and you see four distinct hair colors, and I don't think that we need Maury Povich to explain it.

But you are talking about a modern populations and only about pigmentation now, not bone structure and such.

[Anglo-Celtic]

But you are talking about a modern populations and only about pigmentation now, not bone structure and such.

That's true. Thanks for noticing.

[Grace O'Malley]

Because people don't want to see the obvious.
That is like denying South East Asians don't have Australoid admixture "because we have no proof of Aboriginals coming to South east Asia, they just look dark because of the sun".
People here seem to be appalled by the idea of having, from a biological point of view, non white admixture.

If there was evidence I would of course not deny it but knowing Irish genetics for example and knowing what Irish look like it would be easily debunked if you claimed there was some relatively recent admixture in the Irish population. It is more logical to acknowledge there has always been some variance in phenotype. It wouldn't bother me at all if there was some deep Asian type ancestry but the evidence doesn't support it. What Irish are is quite Steppe influenced due to a certain degree of geographic isolation although Irish don't form a unique cluster so to a certain degree there has obviously been some geneflow from other populations. You just have to go with what the evidence shows in the end.

[PaganPoet]

Steppe influenced
What kind of people do you think lives in the Steppe?

[Grace O'Malley]

What kind of people do you think lives in the Steppe?

The populations that came to Western Europe are from 5,000 years ago. With Ireland it was Bell Beakers who were majority R1b-L21. They mixed with populations on the way including farmer groups like Globular Amphora and those groups also carried EHG and WHG. As I've said there would be a variety of looks with a population like that.

[PaganPoet]

The populations that came to Western Europe are from 5,000 years ago. With Ireland it was Bell Beakers who were majority R1b-L21. They mixed with populations on the way including farmer groups like Globular Amphora and those groups also carried EHG and WHG. As I've said there would be a variety of looks with a population like that.

That is probably not where those traits come from. They are not 5000 year old; they are later additions.

[Grace O'Malley]

That is probably not where those traits come from. They are not 5000 year old; they are later additions.

So what's your theory then? The people coming into Ireland have of course been the Vikings, Normans but people from Britain and Irish have been going back and forth most probably since populations came to those islands. There has been some Pallatines and Huguenots but small numbers like that would not influence the Irish phenotype.

Remember Ireland really was not a desirable place to live in the past due to terrible living conditions mostly due to control from Britain. In fact Ireland lost a large part of her population due to the Famine and for years afterwards. Besides the groups above there is no history of other populations coming in any significant numbers at all. In the last 20 years it is another story with nearly a million foreign born in Ireland now which is huge for a population the size of Ireland. For example the first Chinese in Ireland came from Hong Kong from the 1950s and then groups from other parts of Asia came in the 1970s. Any Irish person would be aware of any Asian ancestry.

[PaganPoet]

So what's your theory then? The people coming into Ireland have of course been the Vikings, Normans but people from Britain and Irish have been going back and forth most probably since populations came to those islands. There has been some Pallatines and Huguenots but small numbers like that would not influence the Irish phenotype.

Remember Ireland really was not a desirable place to live in the past due to terrible living conditions mostly due to control from Britain. In fact Ireland lost a large part of her population due to the Famine and for years afterwards. Besides the groups above there is no history of other populations coming in any significant numbers at all. In the last 20 years it is another story with nearly a million foreign born in Ireland now which is huge for a population the size of Ireland. For example the first Chinese in Ireland came from Hong Kong from the 1950s and then groups from other parts of Asian came in the 1970s. Any Irish person would be aware of any Asian ancestry.

Irish people probably have influences from continental Europe, who previously have been influenced by the Huns and Avars.
Viking contributions with Asiatic influence could contribute as well, but I never seen a Viking reconstruction with such explicit features.

[Grace O'Malley]

Irish people probably have influences from continental Europe, who previously have been influenced by the Huns and Avars.
Viking contributions with Asiatic influence could contribute as well, but I never seen a Viking reconstruction with such explicit features.

Oh okay. Yes anything is possible. I'm patiently waiting for an Irish dna study on the medieval period as that would answer a lot of questions.

[jelliedsoup]

My grandmother was from Cheshire (and some Welsh ancestry) and could tan more easily than the average brit, thick dark brown hair and dark eyes, my uncle is the same. Has more of a continental look.

[MobyD]

My grandmother was from Cheshire (and some Welsh ancestry) and could tan more easily than the average brit, thick dark brown hair and dark eyes, my uncle is the same. Has more of a continental look.

''Has more of a continental look.''

Why do you think that is the case?

[jelliedsoup]

''Has more of a continental look.''

Why do you think that is the case?I'm guessing she's more Atlantid, has the original darker Britonic looks rather than Germanic/Scandinavian influence. All of her ancestors were from North Western England (Cheshire, Lancashire, Westmorland Shropshire) and Wales which makes sense if there's more of an Iberian influence


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[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

Ray Reardon.
Welsh snooker player
Won 6 world titles in the 70s
classify

https://www.bigredbook.info/images/rayreardon.jpg
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81fFNgL9-aL.jpg
https://www.bigredbook.info/images/rayreardon8.jpg

[Oliver Tooth]

The tags:lol00001::lol00001:

[Albannach]

Scottish politician Alistair Darling
https://i.imgur.com/Fas5Cig.jpg

Scottish Footballer Tony Watt
https://i.imgur.com/zvIWGwZ.gif

[Tooting Carmen]

Scottish politician Alistair Darling
https://i.imgur.com/Fas5Cig.jpg

Scottish Footballer Tony Watt
https://i.imgur.com/zvIWGwZ.gif

Watt looks part-Black.

[Albannach]

Watt looks part-Black.

Do you think? I don't see any black at all, I've seen a picture of his parents on instagram and they look as white as you can get, assuming he isn't adopted or anything.

[Davystayn]

Watt clearly looks part SSA.

Alastair Darling is a good example, Ray Reardon is a brilliant example, classic dark Welsh look, about 10-15% of Welsh people have this look.

Ray Reardon is an example of what people in England and Scotland would call the 'Welsh look' as it is fairly unique to Wales out of all the nations on the island.

The disparaging nature many Anglos/English people historically have to the Welsh (even today, and I should know) can partly be explained by old thinking when people saw those that looked like Ray Reardon in Wales.

[Albannach]

Watt clearly looks part SSA.

Alastair Darling is a good example, Ray Reardon is a brilliant example, classic dark Welsh look, about 10-15% of Welsh people have this look.

Ray Reardon is an example of what people in England and Scotland would call the 'Welsh look' as it is fairly unique to Wales out of all the nations on the island.

The disparaging nature many Anglos/English people historically have to the Welsh (even today, and I should know) can partly be explained by old thinking when people saw those that looked like Ray Reardon in Wales.

Watt isn't part SSA, his parents are white, he doesn't even look part SSA.

His Parents
https://i.imgur.com/8RDC1DE.png
https://i.imgur.com/459KIoO.png

[Davystayn]

Watt has clearly something going on, looks like a Londoner or from Essex who often have part something else, but being Scottish this is less likely..

These types of native maybe come up occasionally if so but they aren't common, suprised he is Scottish

[Oliver109]

Watt has clearly something going on, looks like a Londoner or from Essex who often have part something else, but being Scottish this is less likely..

These types of native maybe come up occasionally if so but they aren't common, suprised he is Scottish

Some Scots can be quite dark i.e Alex Salmond, Alaister Darling, granted it is rarer in Scotland than in Essex but you will still see perhaps 2% being predominantly brunet there.

[Albannach]

Some Scots can be quite dark i.e Alex Salmond, Alaister Darling, granted it is rarer in Scotland than in Essex but you will still see perhaps 2% being predominantly brunet there.

It's far higher than 2%, particularly in the West. I'd say Scots on average are darker-haired than the English, though paler-skinned.

[Albannach]

Scottish actress Natalie J Robb
https://i.imgur.com/un1RKzc.jpg

Scottish Gaelic singer Mary Ann Kennedy
https://i.imgur.com/1Ts4uKx.jpg

Scottish actress Joyce Falconer
https://i.imgur.com/TWWZu8S.jpg

Ex First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond
https://i.imgur.com/VBWDQeR.jpg

Scottish TV presenter and overall annoying twat Neil Oliver
https://i.imgur.com/yY1EXVy.jpg

[Oliver109]

It's far higher than 2%, particularly in the West. I'd say Scots on average are darker-haired than the English, though paler-skinned.

I mean people like Alex Salmond, Sturgeon, Darling people who could legit pass in the Med and southeastern Europe are fairly uncommon but present but no higher than 5% max.

[Zevoos]

Emma Thomas
Not only she's "swarthy" but also horse-faced.
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w500/6GemtNCy856iLho6WRsFASxQTAp.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Emma_Thomas_2.jpg
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ5NTE0MTk4Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwODE3MTMxMzE@._ V1_.jpg

[Zevoos]

Corey Mylchreest
https://static2.iodonna.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/corey-mylchreest-chi-e-attore-re-giorgio-eta-la-regina-carlotta-red-carpet-instagram-4.jpg?v=2124072
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2023-05/16/20/asset/094427d87b0a/sub-buzz-4088-1684269738-1.jpg
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNWY0YTc4ZDktYmFlMS00ZDRmLWE4OGItZjE3YmU4MGE2Mj NiXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTU1ODIwMTM1._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.j pg

[Albannach]

Scottish actor Daniel Portman
https://i.imgur.com/thjGupG.jpg

Scottish actor Angus Macfadyen
https://i.imgur.com/PgPwZ0X.jpg

Scottish Goalkeeper Alan Martin
https://i.imgur.com/FCVLopw.jpg

[Sam Ryan]

On a serial killer theme, Fred and Rosemary West are quite dark and Peter Sutcliffe had almost afro-type hair and brown eyes but unmistakably English too. I really don't think these features are uncommon at all in in the ordinary English stock.

https://imgur.com/a/4g8eyhZ

[Kess]

Rowan Atkinson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rowan_Atkinson_2011_2.jpg

This is what came into my head in the first place.