Hello, and a question to you...

[Dbkj12]

I stumbled upon this website today and I find it very intriguing, so I wish to ask the community a few questions.
First of all, I would like to say that I sympathize with the European nations burdened by cancerous immigration, that I respect the cultures of Europe that are thus endangered, and that I have the utmost respect for free speech.
That said, I am to be honest quite surprised by some of what I've seen here. While many of you appear to be knowledgeable, intelligent, fact-seeking rationalists, others appear (at first glance, at least) to be somewhat deluded, misinformed, or (as much as I despise the word) racist. Perhaps I got the wrong impression.
I understand that culture is important, heritage should be protected, and Western history and traditions have led the human race into the modern era, but some of what I've seen on this forum makes it sound like being European or white is an innate genetic superiority, or that, say, the Islamic cultures have always been as degenerate and backwards as they are today.
Also, I don't understand the emotional investment this community as a whole appears to have in its ethnic origins. Yes, our ancestors achieved great things and shaped the world, but regions fade from prominence as quickly as they arise. The present and, more importantly, the future dwarf the past in significance. A society focused on its past, however glorious, is not forward-thinking and so will not retain its position of prominence for long.
Additionally, culture and traditions are ultimately somewhat arbitrary, are they not? Going back to its origins, every culture began with myths developed by ill-informed, irrational primitives. Culture is interesting and all, but too much investment into it and especially rejection of other cultures only restricts the mind and at some point becomes practically a religion.
Ethnicity is even more arbitrary than culture, in my opinion, as it is essentially superficial when divorced from culture and history, unless of course you believe that genetic differences between ethnicities are more than superficial and instead determine intelligence or individual capacity or something to that effect. I am unaware of evidence proving this and for what it's worth my gut tells me it is false. It's also not a theory I would like to entertain, as it suggests that your ethnicity, rather than your free will or indeed yourself as an individual, is what defines what you are capable of. It would make me feel powerless as an individual.

My question is simply what are your thoughts on these matters.

[Turkophagos]

Question?

[Brännvin]

Hello and welcome :)

Just wondering, where did you find the forum?

[Creeping Death]

A society focused on its past, however glorious, is not forward-thinking and so will not retain its position of prominence for long.Positions of prominence change with war not,the entire World looks in the past be it Europe or Asia, people are to frightened to try anything new. It is within the interests of our strategic planners who control our economy and whence our lives to keep us locked in the past. They use religion, materialism, neutered political ideology, empty education and pornography to dumb us down. People who generally have the guts to look into the future and inform us tend to be trampled under.

[Osweo]

Stick around, Pal, get to know us a bit, see if you still regard us the same way. :shrug: It's the only real way to evaluate people! Many of us have explained our reasoning a million times elsewhere, and can't be bothered doing it all over again, so perhaps you get a skewed image, I don't know.

Welcome, anyroad! :yo: Pretty unwieldy User Name, if you don't mind me saying. What are we going to call you for short? :P

[anonymaus]

I'll take that as a statement and welcome you to the forum.

[Beorn]

Not another bloody atheist!! Welcome anyway. :thumb001:

[Lady L]

First of all, I would like to say that I sympathize with the European nations burdened by cancerous immigration, that I respect the cultures of Europe that are thus endangered, and that I have the utmost respect for free speech.


That said, I am to be honest quite surprised by some of what I've seen here. While many of you appear to be knowledgeable, intelligent, fact-seeking rationalists, others appear (at first glance, at least) to be somewhat deluded, misinformed, or (as much as I despise the word) racist.

Kind of contradicting really - unless by " sympathize " you mean you really don't give a damn. But, if you do- then you must see that it is hard for a person to acknowledge and be quite bothered by immigration without seeming or being somewhat racist.

I think some here really don't mind being referred to as racist but they may take offense to you referring to them as deluded or misinformed.


but some of what I've seen on this forum makes it sound like being European or white is an innate genetic superiority

Isn't it :p


or that, say, the Islamic cultures have always been as degenerate and backwards as they are today.

Haven't they :p


Also, I don't understand the emotional investment this community as a whole appears to have in its ethnic origins.

This coming from a German ..? Hmmmm ;) Not to be rude but if you don't understand then maybe you can begin to and if not ...you probably wouldn't belong here.


Culture is interesting and all, but too much investment into it and especially rejection of other cultures only restricts the mind and at some point becomes practically a religion.

I really don't see where this is a bad thing ..? I would have to say no investment into our cultures is part of the problem we have today, wow more than part of the problem. Are you in favor of interracial relations ..? Or only learning and respecting other cultures..? Many people here are invested in their own culture and at the same time interested in others as well. We can accomplish both if wanted, don't ya think ..?



Ethnicity is even more arbitrary than culture, in my opinion, as it is essentially superficial when divorced from culture and history, unless of course you believe that genetic differences between ethnicities are more than superficial and instead determine intelligence or individual capacity or something to that effect. I am unaware of evidence proving this and for what it's worth my gut tells me it is false. It's also not a theory I would like to entertain, as it suggests that your ethnicity, rather than your free will or indeed yourself as an individual, is what defines what you are capable of. It would make me feel powerless as an individual.

Ethnicity alone is not always going to define what that person is capable of, but it is going to play a major role, setting aside that one may be better than the other, but for example the lifestyle many blacks are living is defining that they seem to fit well into their major stereo type- that many of them are in fact thugs, killers and scum. I don't believe they just had a bad deck handed to them, I believe it is in them somewhere. In their blood. I do recognize and respect the ones who step away from this and live respectable lives. So yes and no ethnicity does define what you are capable of.

[Brynhild]

First of all, welcome. Second of all, please take the time to understand the dynamics of this particular online community - along with taking the time to get to know who we are individually and what we stand for.

A great many of us have our deep-seated beliefs you might construe as delusional, but I'm of the opinion that a lot of us are also waking up to the fact that there are a lot of wrongs in this world that have been brought about by globalisation and multiculturalism. The past hasn't always been perfect, but at this rate we could learn a lot from it - and reclaim parts of it that did work well. Because if we don't, then our future is pretty grim.

[Loki]

While many of you appear to be knowledgeable, intelligent, fact-seeking rationalists, others appear (at first glance, at least) to be somewhat deluded, misinformed, or (as much as I despise the word) racist.


Sounds like your average snapshot of society then I guess.

Welcome to the forum. :)


Question?


I'll take that as a statement and welcome you to the forum.

You two should have read the whole thing, then you would have stumbled across this sentence at the end:




My question is simply what are your thoughts on these matters.

[Svarog]

Very nicely written intro imo, just, not sure if i am incredibly dumb but, what is an actual question?

[Will]

Very nicely written intro imo, just, not sure if i am incredibly dumb but, what is an actual question?

He wants an explanatory response to what he found wrong with some of our ideologies.

[The Lawspeaker]

You sound like an interesting chap. The same weird ideas I had when I started. Well let me explain to you why some of us may be so "racist".

Our nations are being flooded by people that really have no business here and some, some might argue a lot, are also heavily involved in crime.
We are seeing cultural clashes in our own countries now and some might argue that, how beautiful the idea of a multicultural society may have been, it simply isn't worth it when it leads to our own destruction. Also the birth rate of Europeans has dropped below replacing point while the immigrants are demographically taking over our countries. We have no place to go- but the immigrants have: home.

I am personally interested in different cultures but that doesn't mean that I am willing to import half of Japan or the whole of Norway. No. Because multiculturalism has shown to damage both the imported culture and the host culture so if one would like to see a different culture it would perhaps be better to call KLM Royal Dutch Airlines for a ticket to your perceived destination. After all: The air ocean unites all peoples (Albert Plesman) --- so why the bloody hell import them wholesale (The Lawspeaker).

When it comes to ethnic purity. The choice is not racist. It's not motivated by hatred but by the notion that all peoples, in their own ways and in their own environment, are valuable (let's call it a part of the big jigsaw) so let's keep people the way they are and in their own environment. Just a couple of mixes doesn't hurt. It's the mixing on a grand scale (which is taking place now) that does.

But welcome aboard :) I hope that we can help you out a bit in your obvious search.

[Skandi]

That said, I am to be honest quite surprised by some of what I've seen here. While many of you appear to be knowledgeable, intelligent, fact-seeking rationalists, others appear (at first glance, at least) to be somewhat deluded, misinformed, or (as much as I despise the word) racist. Perhaps I got the wrong impression.

From the tone of this post I would guess that all of us hold views that you see as racist. As the to misinformed, well yes obviously sometimes a persons information is incorrect, and needs correcting, but other times it is just that the interpretation is different between individuals and groups.


I understand that culture is important, heritage should be protected, and Western history and traditions have led the human race into the modern era, but some of what I've seen on this forum makes it sound like being European or white is an innate genetic superiority, or that, say, the Islamic cultures have always been as degenerate and backwards as they are today.

Well I would not say that it was only western culture, the Chinese were doing pretty well on their own and other areas would also have made it too. No race has a genetic superiority, but we all have genetic advantages, there is a terrible myth being force fed to the children that race is just skin deep, it isn't even the gestation periods are different. As for Islam, and of course Christianity and Judaism they are not religions that as a whole, espouse the same world view as preservationists. (I know some sects of all do). Therefore weather they are "backwards" or not we don't want them emigrating here, Islam is a particular problem because they have little history in Europe and their views especially those developed post WWII clash terribly with ours. They also do not want to come and live here but to run here, I doubt anybody minds a religion that fit's in and doesn't try to take control, but unfortunately that is not Islams way.


Also, I don't understand the emotional investment this community as a whole appears to have in its ethnic origins. Yes, our ancestors achieved great things and shaped the world, but regions fade from prominence as quickly as they arise. The present and, more importantly, the future dwarf the past in significance. A society focused on its past, however glorious, is not forward-thinking and so will not retain its position of prominence for long.

So you would rather we helped another people best us? No thanks, also what are YOU emotionally attatched too? Your Family, Town, State?


Additionally, culture and traditions are ultimately somewhat arbitrary, are they not? Going back to its origins, every culture began with myths developed by ill-informed, irrational primitives.

Are we any better informed? They were certainly not irrational they just used the information available to them, the same as we do, neither were they primitive, was your grandmother primitive because her family didn't have a microwave?


Culture is interesting and all, but too much investment into it and especially rejection of other cultures only restricts the mind and at some point becomes practically a religion.

If you mix everybody up, then there will be NO interesting cultures anywhere.


Ethnicity is even more arbitrary than culture, in my opinion, as it is essentially superficial when divorced from culture and history, unless of course you believe that genetic differences between ethnicities are more than superficial and instead determine intelligence or individual capacity or something to that effect. I am unaware of evidence proving this and for what it's worth my gut tells me it is false.

Right well there is evidence I mentioned earlier that the gestation is different, the shape of hands and teeth is also different, skin colour (obviously) heat and cold tolerance.... Now if tehy are different, obviously intelligence will also differ.


It's also not a theory I would like to entertain, as it suggests that your ethnicity, rather than your free will or indeed yourself as an individual, is what defines what you are capable of. It would make me feel powerless as an individual.

I hate to disillusion you but not all men are born equal. Very obviously your innate born in rates set what you can do, if your 5 foot nowt you are not going to be a star baseball player are you, and with an IQ of 80 there is no way your going to be a scientist.
Unfortunately for the Liberals "free will" does not make you more capable than your inheritance.
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Oh and welcome.

[Vargtand]

Hrmp, if you view culture and heritage as what you say... arbitrary. you will not receive any form of welcome from me at least.

[Rainraven]

I hope Thrym, LS, Bryn and LL's posts have enlightened you a bit. My advice to you would be stick around, talk to the people, read the posts and find out for yourself. You're guaranteed to learn more that way then asking a broad 'explain your ideologies' question in your welcome thread :)

Welcome anyway, and I do hope you stay for awhile, even if in the end you decide it's not for you I'm sure you won't find yourself any less wise from the experience :D

[Vulpix]

Welcome, just stick around and jump in in the discussions, that is the best approach I think :).