Does she look Greek?

[memobekes]

Ivet Lalova, a Bulgarian athlete. She strikes me as looking extremely Greek which is unusual as i personally do not see a similarity between these two countries.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/5TEGMEWZYkS5fRFPxqRKwA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD00NzQ7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/388/2012/08/05/AP120626116657-jpg_075435.jpg

http://olympicgirls.net/sport-girls/ivet-lalova-09.jpg

http://bgathletic.com/pictures/athletic/pic_big/gallery/news/ivet%20lalova%282%29.JPG

[Queen B]

Yes, especially in the second photo

[Absinthe]

Not really, in my opinion. The upper half of her face looks kinda off for Greek standards (more northern/slavic). The lower half yes, but overall she wouldn't make a typical Greek face.

[Mortimer]

she Looks like a slightly lighter Version of the apricity princess dandelion

[Anusiya]

I think so, yes. She could pass in Greece anyway.

[Anglojew]

Yes

[memobekes]

Not really, in my opinion. The upper half of her face looks kinda off for Greek standards (more northern/slavic). The lower half yes, but overall she wouldn't make a typical Greek face.
I see. Could you make some comments on what looks "off" from her upper face? If i'm honest i would think she's Greek if i saw her in real life. Bulgarians who i've seen usually look like a Slavic Med type or a Baltid-Gorid blend.

Some examples:

http://elbaronrojo.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Nina-Dobrev-480x610.jpghttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXc6M4OHra99OH60MM5mHmPRGCdpZN1 hZFsxJBHN_jR1ovTgIHuL83VLtvhttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4WJ63JAW4zbcaCOd6ta4XG2iyxB_XC LZm7jWYJ3PxPe9ZFQ3hLypYLJnKhttp://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p407523/bulgarian_politican_1.jpghttp://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/480493_289992354439276_2054105492_n.jpg

[Absinthe]

I see. Could you make some comments on what looks "off" from her upper face?

Her eye and eyebrow shape, hairline, cheekbones. I really can't explain it better but they somewhat look off to me but I could be wrong I guess.

[Anusiya]

Her eye and eyebrow shape, hairline, cheekbones. I really can't explain it better but they somewhat look off to me but I could be wrong I guess.

Yeah, she looks a bit Semitic too. But she looks more "Greek" than "Bulgarian".

[memobekes]

Her eye and eyebrow shape, hairline, cheekbones. I really can't explain it better but they somewhat look off to me but I could be wrong I guess.
I think i know what you mean. You're saying that she has a Slavic eye? Regarding her eyebrows, Bulgarians tend to have patchy-thin ones while the Greeks' are "fuller", aren't they?

[Absinthe]

I think i know what you mean. You're saying that she has a Slavic eye? Regarding her eyebrows, Bulgarians tend to have patchy-thin ones while the Greeks are "fuller", aren't they?
Yes, that is part of the reasons why I said so. You don't frequently see this kind of over-plucked and semi-circle shaped eyebrows in Greeks ;)

[Mans not hot]

Baltid-Gorid blend.

Baltid-Gorid are typical for Central East Euro countries. Alpinoid (not Gorid) are typical for Bulgaria.

[zlakopistou]

Yeah, why not?

[memobekes]

Baltid-Gorid are typical for Central East Euro countries. Alpinoid (not Gorid) are typical for Bulgaria.
Isn't Gorid merely another term for "east-alpinid"? From what i've been hearing from the Bulgarian members on these anthropology boards is that Gorids are very common in their country (isn't Nina Dobrev a good example, for example?).
But the single most important type is the Pontid.

[Prince Carlo]

Beside her atypical pigmentation she has nothing of un-balkan.

[Hayalet]

Looks more Greek than Bulgarian to me, yes.

[Azalea]

Looks über Greek to me.

[d3cimat3d]

Yes she looks Greek but it doesn't surprise me though because Bulgarians have Byzantine legacy.

Here's the breakdown of a random Bulgarian from 23andme:

http://i46.tinypic.com/smexbp.png

[rashka]

Actually it's her upper face that looks more Greek. Her nose and mouth are Bulgarian. In all she looks like both.

[memobekes]

Actually it's her upper face that looks more Greek. Her nose and mouth are Bulgarian. In all she looks like both.

Can she pass in Serbia?

[Trun]

She strikes me as looking extremely Greek which is unusual as i personally do not see a similarity between these two countries.

It's because you have zero knowledge of both countries.


she Looks like a slightly lighter Version of the apricity princess dandelion

Lalova has natural dark brown hair, while dandelion reddish brown. Just saying.


Bulgarians who i've seen usually look like a Slavic Med type or a Baltid-Gorid blend.

You have seen Bulgarians? Really?


Some examples:

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/480493_289992354439276_2054105492_n.jpg

Those are Armenians :picard2: And yes, very Baltid looking :D


From what i've been hearing from the Bulgarian members on these anthropology boards is that Gorids are very common in their country (isn't Nina Dobrev a good example, for example?)

Nina is quite Bulgarian looking Pontid/Alpinid. "Gorid" is an undefined term for me.


Beside her atypical pigmentation she has nothing of un-balkan.

What is atypical about her pigmentation?


Looks more Greek than Bulgarian to me, yes.


Looks über Greek to me.

What's so Greek about her? Ivet looks Bulgarian what she is. Both me and the Greeks said she looks more Bulgarian than Greek.

[Englisc]

No.

[memobekes]

Twitch, most of the users who have commented think she looks more Greek than Bulgarian. She is not what i think of when Bulgarians spring to mind, they look like a blend of Slavs and Mediterraneans. Ivet doesn't look Bulgarian, she definitely looks more Greek.

[Trun]

Twitch, most of the users who have commented think she looks more Greek than Bulgarian. She is not what i think of when Bulgarians spring to mind, they look like a blend of Slavs and Mediterraneans. Ivet doesn't look Bulgarian, she definitely looks more Greek.

Those who said she looks more Greek than Bulgarians aren't Bulgarians or Greeks. And what is blend between Slavic and Mediteranean, the first is a language group, the second a sea.

You know, saying Bulgarians are Gorid and posting Armenians as an example is an epic fail. Why don't you post some "Baltid" Iranians next time as Bulgarians?

[memobekes]

Bulgarians are a mixture of Bulgars, Slavs and Thracians. These influences reflect nicely in their features.

[Trun]

Bulgarians are a mixture of Bulgars, Slavs and Thracians. These influences reflect nicely in their features.

I don't know what this have to do with the whole topic. I just say Ivet looks Bulgarian, textbook Pontid. Period.

[memobekes]

She looks Mediterranid but without the Slavic input. Bulgarians are Pontids (Slavic/Med intermixture).

Greeks are more east-mediterranid.

[Midori]

She strikes me as looking extremely Greek which is unusual as i personally do not see a similarity between these two countries.


Really? I always knew you were pretty clueless when it comes to anthropological types of the Balkans but not this much.

No offence.

[memobekes]

Really? I always knew you were pretty clueless when it comes to anthropological types of the Balkans but not this much.

No offence.
None taken.

Yes, really. The Bulgarians are different from the Greeks.

[Trun]

Bulgarians are Pontids (Slavic/Med intermixture).

Greeks are more east-mediterranid.

I think you do realize you're speaking plain nonsense.


The Bulgarians are different from the Greeks.

I still don't understand what Ivet Lalova has to do with that, and from where you got she looks Greek.

[memobekes]

Then post me some group pictures of both nations and convince me that they look similar.

[Midori]

None taken.

Yes, really. The Bulgarians are different from the Greeks.

There is a heavy overlap between those 2 nations.

[Slycooper]

Yeah, she can pass

[Trun]

Then post me some group pictures of both nations and convince me that they look similar.

Where I have said Bulgarians and Greeks look similar? According to your logic, every Bulgarian who doesn't look "Slavic" (dafuq?) is Greek-looking?

[Prince Carlo]

I've seen both mainland Greeks and Bulgarians in the real life and they overlap a lot. Memo the Greek cluster on Dodecad includes many Islanders, Pontics and likely Greek Cypriots.

[memobekes]

There is a heavy overlap between those 2 nations.

No there is not a "heavy" overlap at all, where did you pull that from?
Bulgarians look like Serbs, Macedonians and Romanians.

[memobekes]

Where I have said Bulgarians and Greeks look similar? According to your logic, every Bulgarian who doesn't look "Slavic" (dafuq?) is Greek-looking?

Bulgarians look like Slavs with Mediterranean input. The Greeks look southern Med and are similar to southern Italians.

[Trun]

I've seen both mainland Greeks and Bulgarians in the real life and they overlap a lot. Memo the Greek cluster on Dodecad includes many Islanders, Potics and likely Greek Cypriots.

I have never problems telling apart Greeks from Bulgarians in Sofia, so Greeks don't look similar to us, at least not to me (to a foreigner maybe). The problem here is that every Bulgarian who doesn't look like a cousin of Timoshenko or Pogrebnyak isn't Bulgarian looking, according to memo.

[Numenorean]

yes she looks very greek indeed but this is not that surprising i guess because greece and bulgaria are neighbour countries.

[memobekes]

I've seen both mainland Greeks and Bulgarians in the real life and they overlap a lot. Memo the Greek cluster on Dodecad includes many Islanders, Pontics and likely Greek Cypriots.

No they don't. I have correspondence with two Bulgarian members on another board and they also say that Bulgarians look different from Greeks.

[memobekes]

yes she looks very greek indeed but this is not that surprising i guess because greece and bulgaria are neighbour countries.

Turkler de Yunalilarin komsusu ama birbirlerine cok az benziyorlar, oyle degil mi?

[Trun]

No they don't. I have correspondence with two Bulgarian members on another board and they also say that Bulgarians look different from Greeks.

They both will agree Ivet looks Bulgarian though. Ask them there.

[memobekes]

Just because they are neighbors doesn't mean that they should look like each other. It's like saying that Turks look like Bulgarians or Russians look like Kazakhs because they border each other.

[Prince Carlo]

Then I must be blind because this Greek cluster from Thessaloniki is right over South Slavs.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/193/laoplot02qp5.jpg

[Numenorean]

öncelikle merhaba memobekes görüyorum ki galatasaraylısın bir fenerbahçe değil ama neyse:))

soruna gelince bazı türklerle yunanlılar benziyor ama genelde çok benzemiyoruz haklısın

[Trun]

Just because they are neighbors doesn't mean that they should look like each other. It's like saying that Turks look like Bulgarians or Russians look like Kazakhs because they border each other.

Bulgarians and Greeks look much more alike than Bulgarians and Turks or Russian and Kazakhs (who are even different races). So the comparison is irrelevant, and still it is off-topic.

It seems every pretty Bulgarian is Greek looking, while ugly Bulgarians are some sort of invaders from Belorussian ponds :bored:

[memobekes]

Then I must be blind because this Greek cluster from Thessaloniki is right over South Slavs.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/193/laoplot02qp5.jpg

You are talking about one single city, Jesus Christ.

[Prince Carlo]

You are talking about one single city, Jesus Christ.

The second biggest city of Greece, Jesus.

[memobekes]

Bulgarians and Greeks look much more alike than Bulgarians and Turks or Russian and Kazakhs (who are even different races). So the comparison is irrelevant, and still it is off-topic.

It seems every pretty Bulgarians is Greek looking, while ugly Bulgarians are some sort of invaders from Belorussian ponds :bored:

How is it irrelevant? I'm using your logic: If you're neighbors, you look similar.
There is only a small "overlap" and usually it's the men who can look close but the women look totally different.
I've seen about 10 Bulgarian faces on these boards and only one would i mistake for a Greek.

[Trun]

Greeks from Northern Greece cluster close to Bulgarians, Romanians and Serbs. It is visible even on Dodecad, two of the Greek samples are almost in the Balkan pot.


How is it irrelevant? I'm using your logic: If you're neighbors, you look similar.
There is only a small "overlap" and usually it's the men who can look close but the women look totally different.
I've seen about 10 Bulgarian faces on these boards and only one would i mistake for a Greek.

I doubt you have ever seen Bulgarian or Greek in your entire life. What you say is off-topic, you refer me to something which you wish I had said, but I didn't...in a nutshell, you failed hard.

[Prince Carlo]

^ memobekes thinks that Greeks and Balkanites are completely different, but he thinks that Levantines and other MENAs can pass unnoticed in Greece. HAHA.

[Mans not hot]

Isn't Gorid merely another term for "east-alpinid"? From what i've been hearing from the Bulgarian members on these anthropology boards is that Gorids are very common in their country (isn't Nina Dobrev a good example, for example?).
But the single most important type is the Pontid.
Polish East Alpinid
(http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1170485&postcount=23)
Bulgarian Alpinid
(http://bgparty.co.uk/images/newsimages/16dc14.jpg)

The difference is clearly obvious.

[memobekes]

The second biggest city of Greece, Jesus.

Salonika is a big city with lots of people who come from different backgrounds. About a century ago, a lot of the inhabitants were Jews, Turks and other ethnic identities.
I conjecture that today's populace has its origins elsewhere (from Asia Minor perhaps?).

[memobekes]

^ memobekes thinks that Greeks and Balkanites are completely different, but he thinks that Levantines and other MENAs can pass unnoticed in Greece. HAHA.
Yes some Levantines can fit in Greece but they obviously look different as a whole. But that's for another topic. ;)
I already said that Greeks look similar to southern Italians and western Turks.

[Trun]

Salonika is a big city with lots of people who come from different backgrounds. About a century ago, a lot of the inhabitants were Jews, Turks and other ethnic identities.
I conjecture that today's populace has its origins elsewhere (from Asia Minor perhaps?).

Lots of people from Thesaloniki are from the nearby villages and towns, where population was equally divided by Bulgarians (both Exarchists and Patriarchists) and Greeks native to Macedonia.

[memobekes]

Lots of people from Thesaloniki are from the nearby villages and towns, where population was equally divided by Bulgarians (both Exarchists and Patriarchists) and Greeks native to Macedonia.


By ca. 1500, the numbers had grown to 7,986 Greeks, 8,575 Muslims, and 3,770 Jews. By 1519, Sephardic Jews numbered 15,715, 54% of the city's population.


After the defeat of Greece in the Greco-Turkish War and during the break-up of the Ottoman Empire, a population exchange took place between Greece and Turkey.[85] Over 160,000 ethnic Greeks deported from the former Ottoman Empire were resettled in the city,[85] changing its demographics. Additionally many of the city's Muslims were deported to Turkey, ranging at about 20,000 people

[kabeiros]

http://olympicgirls.net/sport-girls/ivet-lalova-09.jpg
Do you think that she resembles Irene Papadopoulou in this photo or is it the same hairstyle which makes them look similar?

http://www.athensbars.gr/sites/default/files/homepage/7526_irrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr_24102011.jpg?1323242 211

[memobekes]

Probably the hair i would say, Kabeiros. Irene's face looks strongly Alpine.

[Trun]

Greeks from Thesaloniki are mostly natives to Macedonia.

[wvwvw]

...

[wvwvw]

http://www.athensbars.gr/sites/default/files/homepage/7526_irrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr_24102011.jpg?1323242 211

It goes without saying that this girl is gypsy

[Trun]

She doesn't look Greek, you can tell by her eyes. Her eyes are typical Turkish, Kurdish or Iranian but very atypical Greek. She would fit perfectly in Turkey.

Even better strike :picard2:

[Sikeliot]

Mainland Greeks and Bulgarians look quite similar much of the time, and I often have trouble telling the difference. A lot of the Greeks who don't look Bulgarian but live on the mainland are probably of Anatolian or Pontic origins.

I'd go so far as to say today's peninsular Greeks look more similar to Bulgarians than to anyone else.

It's the islanders (Cretans, Rhodians, etc) who don't look like Bulgarians and who IMO not only have a more classical Greek appearance, but are the ones who look most similar to southern Italians, Sicilians, western Turks and the like.

Cypriots, of course, and some Rhodians can be mistaken for Levantine but not most Greeks.

[Anusiya]

She could pass in places like Crete, the islands, Cyprus and the Levant.

[Sikeliot]

She could pass in places like Crete, the islands, Cyprus and the Levant.


I don't think she is non-European enough to be Levantine.

[Farah]

She definitely looks more of the perception we have of Greeks than that of Bulgarians..Interesting example!

[Anusiya]

I don't think she is non-European enough to be Levantine.

Her skin complexion, and as Absinthe correctly stated, the eyebrows. In the second picture she looks Israeli.

[Trun]

I'd go so far as to say today's peninsular Greeks look more similar to Bulgarians than to anyone else.

It doesn't correspond with the results (8/10 and 10/10) in the guessing threads between Bulgarians and Greeks (even when I pick Bulgarians who I think can pass as Greeks). Greeks look most like Southern Italians, while Bulgarians like Romanians and Serbs, it's a fact. Not that there isn't an overlap though.

But still, Ivet looks Bulgarian, if she can pass as Greek, it doesn't make her less Bulgarian looking.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks look most like Southern Italians.

Cretans, Rhodians, people from Chios and the Dodecanese yes. But a lot of mainland Greeks I have seen look too immediately Balkan (or vaguely "Eastern European") in a way that southern Italians do not.

[Trun]

Those are some typical Greeks from Northern Greece, and they can't fit in Bulgaria:



Those are tanned obviously, Greeks in Sofia aren't like that at that time of the year, but facially they are quite different, not to mention their guido style.

[Sikeliot]

Guy on the right in the first pic looks like a dark South Slav to me. Second from right in the second picture also looks like a Slav.

But the others all look southern Italian, or Italian American yes. And they dress like them too.

[Trun]

Can those guys pass as Greeks, I think they don't, especially the second guy on the right.

[Sikeliot]

No. They look more like a mixture of Caucasus and Ukraine.

[Slycooper]

[QUOTE=Twitch;1214608]Can those guys pass as Greeks, I think they don't, especially the second guy on the right.


No

[Queen B]

Salonika is a big city with lots of people who come from different backgrounds. About a century ago, a lot of the inhabitants were Jews, Turks and other ethnic identities.
I conjecture that today's populace has its origins elsewhere (from Asia Minor perhaps?).
Large cities have many people that moved there for work, due to urbanization.

I could be an example from Athens since I live in Athens, but I have nothing Athenian in my genes.

But still, Ivet looks Bulgarian, if she can pass as Greek, it doesn't make her less Bulgarian looking.

I agree, she looks Bulgarian, but she can pass in Greece, especially in the second photo, as I stated.

[Kalimtari]

she can pass

[Trun]

she can pass

Do you think she doesn't look Bulgarian just because she can pass in Greece :D

[Kalimtari]

Do you think she doesn't look Bulgarian just because she can pass in Greece :D

no, why would I think/believe that? She's sexy, btw

[Trun]

With her Italian husband

http://cdn.fashion.bg/img13/Ivet-Lalova-Svatba-1.jpg

[Sikeliot]

^ NO way, that is impossible. Far more so than any of the Italians I have ever posted.

[GrebluBro]

very beautiful :love:

[cally]

Yes.

[Trun]

He looks a bit atypical I agree. His name is Simone Collio, from Lombardia.

http://senzacia.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Ivet-Lalova-i-Simone-Kolio-1.jpg
http://www.ilgiorno.it/martesana/politica/2012/10/28/793951/images/1423804-collio.JPG
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/xuOJST1RC0o/maxresdefault.jpg

[GrebluBro]

^ NO way, that is impossible. Far more so than any of the Italians I have ever posted.

He's atypical Italian with southern roots...About 5% of Italians look non-White..You must knew it
His name: Simone Collio

[Hadouken]

With her Italian husband

http://cdn.fashion.bg/img13/Ivet-Lalova-Svatba-1.jpg

he looks asian ....is he fully italian ?

and i think she looks greek yeah but also bulgarian

[CordedWhelp]

Wow yeah, very strong Greek vibe.

[Sikeliot]

I've seen dark Italians looking like West Asian, but that guy looks mixed race.

[Trun]

I've seen dark Italians looking like West Asian, but that guy looks mixed race.

He looks like Roberto Di Matteo.

[Smeagol]

There's no way that guy is fully Italian...

[Trun]

What do you think about her then :lol:

http://www.segabg.com/pic/news/05/611300.jpg
http://bgathletic.com/pictures/athletic/pic_big/gallery/news/vanq%20Stammbolova.JPG
http://m.netinfo.bg/media/images/1763/1763521/634-351-leka-atletika.jpg

[Styrian Mujo]

I have seen SSA influenced Italians but this is the first time I saw a Mongish Italian. I guess yellow fever was common even among Romans.

[Atlantic Islander]

No clue, but she's super pretty. Great smile, and her eyeshape is really cool.

[Hadouken]

What do you think about her then :lol:

http://www.segabg.com/pic/news/05/611300.jpg
http://bgathletic.com/pictures/athletic/pic_big/gallery/news/vanq%20Stammbolova.JPG
http://m.netinfo.bg/media/images/1763/1763521/634-351-leka-atletika.jpg

doesnt look fully italian either but this one is more believable than the man

[Trun]

doesnt look fully italian

Logically because she's Bulgarian (at least by identification :lol:)

http://static.bnr.bg/sites/horizont/sport/publishingimages/18228/11-12-06-15461_1.jpg

[Hadouken]

Logically because she's Bulgarian (at least by identification :lol:)

http://allsports.bg/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/0000112635-article.jpg

i doubt she is fully bulgarian tbh

but who knows

[Sikeliot]

That man is outside of the range for dark Italians, and that is coming from someone who embraces that some Italians are dark.

[Hadouken]

That man is outside of the range for dark Italians, and that is coming from someone who embraces that some Italians are dark.

it is not his color

he looks mongoloid influenced

[Styrian Mujo]

i doubt she is fully bulgarian tbh

but who knows
I think there is nothing "fully" about Europeans south of Denmark.

[Trun]

i doubt she is fully bulgarian tbh

In her town there are all kind of peoples so maybe she is one of those whose family adopted Bulgarian identity.

[Hadouken]

I think there is nothing "fully" about Europeans south of Denmark.

nonsense

[Sikeliot]

it is not his color

he looks mongoloid influenced

Looks triracial to me..

[Roy]

Simone Collio looks Asian to some? I think these are just his eyes that make you think so. I don't see anything wrong in him being fully Southern Italian. There are many other things influencing, shaping phenotype bar genetics and what people see is like here and in other instances only superficient .

[Hadouken]

Looks triracial to me..

looks half filipino to me

[Sikeliot]

Be-Real can pass better in southern Italy than that guy can, actually.

[Hadouken]

Be-Real can pass better in southern Italy than that guy can, actually.

i thought we are already through this ?

[Trun]

I wonder who fits better in Southern Italy, me or Be-Real :D

[Hadouken]

I wonder who fits better in Southern Italy, me or Be-Real :D

since i cant fit anywhere in europe the answer is obviously you lol

[Trun]

since i cant fit anywhere in europe the answer is obviously you lol

I think the answer is neither of us. I'm too Pontic facade for Italy :D

[pelikarski]

She can pass but looks Bu l garian as well

[solaris]

ur mom, change your tampon and chill.

[blueberry99]

Yes, Pontid + Dinarid

https://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+11+Athletics+H62iWrsSZ1ux.jpg
https://www.beautymuscle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1369639684c4e23.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-173c96eb59334aabec0786a3a81e65db

[Peloponnesian pride]

She can pass.