Tito

[Hurrem sultana]

What was the average albanians view about Tito? Now i am not talking about average people only

[Peyrol]

I don't know albanians, i can only say that in North-Eastern Italy is seen a great ass**le and one of the most hypocrite man ever lived.

[Hurrem sultana]

I don't know albanians, i can only say that in North-Eastern Italy is seen a great ass**le and one of the most hypocrite man ever lived.


really,why?

[dralos]

we hate him and everything about yugo

[Hurrem sultana]

we hate him and everything about yugo

then again,you are not known to be very objective:D

[Panopticon]

Their opinions of Tito are better now in retrospect as he certainly was better than some other political figures I do not think I even need to mention by name.

On the other hand, Tito never even visited Kosovo until 1968. Before that, Kosovo, and especially the Albanians, had been almost completely neglected. The 1974 constitution did however give Kosovo the status as a republic in Yugoslavia.

In short, I think that the opinion of the ordinary Albanian was that he was a lesser, sometimes even benevolent evil.

[dralos]

you just have to use logic,he was a slav from wich we suffered alot so how can we love him or any other southslav?most albanians dont want a thing to do with anything slavic so my answer is quite correct

[Hurrem sultana]

Their opinions of Tito are better now in retrospect as he certainly was better than some other political figures I do not think I even need to mention by name.

On the other hand, Tito never even visited Kosovo until 1968. Before that, Kosovo, and especially the Albanians, had been almost completely neglected. The 1974 constitution did however give Kosovo the status as a republic in Yugoslavia.

In short, I think that the opinion of the ordinary Albanian was that he was a lesser, sometimes even benevolent evil.

This is similar to what i have heard from my former teacher,he is kosovar,and he seemd to respect Tito...but he was a dictator so i am very much anti-tito my self,just like u:D

[Mraz]

I don't know albanians, i can only say that in North-Eastern Italy is seen a great ass**le and one of the most hypocrite man ever lived.

Istria je Croatia :laugh:

[Alenka]

I don't know albanians, i can only say that in North-Eastern Italy is seen a great ass**le and one of the most hypocrite man ever lived.
Trst je naš :laugh:

[Peyrol]

really,why?

For the communist genocide of the venetian-istriots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_killings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrian_Italians

[Peyrol]

Trst je naš :laugh:

In 2005, serbs outnumbered slovenes as minority ethnic group in Trieste :D

(Now fast growing ethnic groups in Trieste are Romanians and Chinese, if i remember well)

[Clawgauth]

We hate him in veneto.

[Alenka]

In 2005, serbs outnumbered slovenes as minority ethnic group in Trieste :D
Yes, but that's due to relatively recent immigrantion, while Slovene minority is present there for a very long time.

Anyways, I was kidding that it's ours. xD I think Europe currently has much more important issues than such territorial arguing.

[Don Arb]

Indeed he was hypocrite and devil. He played double standards when it comes to albanians. Somehow he allowed an Albanian University in Prishtina or gave us certain rights, but compared with other nations in Yugo we were second class citizens. Albanians were recognized as minority while macedonians, montenegrins or slovenians who were in smaller number than us were recognized as nations, they had their states and we didn't. We should not mention also hundreds of albanians who were killed by UDB just bcs of holding albanian flag. So fuck his nasty slavic blood.

[Hurrem sultana]

Indeed he was hypocrite and devil. He played double standards when it comes to albanians. Somehow he allowed an Albanian University in Prishtina or gave us certain rights, but compared with other nations in Yugo we were second class citizens. Albanians were recognized as minority while macedonians, montenegrins or slovenians who were in smaller number than us were recognized as nations, they had their states and we didn't. We should not mention also hundreds of albanians who were killed by UDB just bcs of holding albanian flag. So fuck his nasty slavic blood.

I think he detroyed the bosniaks the most so do not complain,:thumb001:

[Grizzly]

Indeed he was hypocrite and devil. He played double standards when it comes to albanians. Somehow he allowed an Albanian University in Prishtina or gave us certain rights, but compared with other nations in Yugo we were second class citizens. Albanians were recognized as minority while macedonians, montenegrins or slovenians who were in smaller number than us were recognized as nations, they had their states and we didn't. We should not mention also hundreds of albanians who were killed by UDB just bcs of holding albanian flag. So fuck his nasty slavic blood.

Don't forget the mass deportations of hundreds of thousands of Albos in Kosova and Macedonia which caused the Albanian % to drop for a period of time. As far as I'm concerned he's the father figure of the modern macedonian state and the savior of their state, without these deportations the FYROM we all know and love today wouldn't exist.

But in general like someone else mentioned he was the lesser of the evils. The giving of some civil liberties to Albanians was just a way to decentralize the republics.

[Mraz]

Indeed he was hypocrite and devil. He played double standards when it comes to albanians. Somehow he allowed an Albanian University in Prishtina or gave us certain rights, but compared with other nations in Yugo we were second class citizens. Albanians were recognized as minority while macedonians, montenegrins or slovenians who were in smaller number than us were recognized as nations, they had their states and we didn't. We should not mention also hundreds of albanians who were killed by UDB just bcs of holding albanian flag. So fuck his nasty slavic blood.

YugoSLAVIA what did you expect? Everyone had to suffer the communist regime, but still I believe it was better to be an Albo under Tito than Enver Hoxha.

[Don Arb]

YugoSLAVIA what did you expect? Everyone had to suffer the communist regime, but still I believe it was better to be an Albo under Tito than Enver Hoxha.

Albanian communist regime was one of the worst in the world while the in Yugo it was different like semi communism. While albanians under Hoxha got educated we under Tito were put under religious dogma and 95 % of our population didn't have the opportunity to get educated.


I think he detroyed the bosniaks the most so do not complain, you can give us some examples cuz I dont have the idea what he did to Bosniaks.

[Sisak]

I don't know albanians, i can only say that in North-Eastern Italy is seen a great ass**le and one of the most hypocrite man ever lived.
You have different opinions about Tito in every single region of Italy?
:confused:

[Peyrol]

You have different opinions about Tito in every single region of Italy?
:confused:

Obviously yes.

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[Arrow Cross]

Nobody other than Serbs should feel any nostalgia for that petty terrorist.

[Twistedmind]

Nobody other than Serbs should feel any nostalgia for that petty terrorist.

Let me see he took Kosovo from us, introduced "Montenegrin ethnicity". Killed our priests, officers, traders, intelectuals academicians, and we should feel nostalgia. You are one rather diluted person. :picard1:
Tito was Croat. And he gave sheeptards everything, they have lot of his admirers for example Azem Vlasi.

[Peyrol]

Let me see he took Kosovo from us, introduced "Montenegrin ethnicity". Killed our priests, officers, traders, intelectuals academicians, and we should feel nostalgia. You are one rather diluted person. :picard1:
Tito was Croat. And he gave sheeptards everything, they have lot of his admirers for example Azem Vlasi.

What about the Karadjeorgevic dynasty?
How they're seen in modern Serbia?

[Twistedmind]

What about the Karadjeorgevic dynasty?
How they're seen in modern Serbia?
As heros. They liberated Serbs from Turks, and led us to greatest moments in our History, what else would you expect?

[Peyrol]

As heros. They liberated Serbs from Turks, and led us to greatest moments in our History, what else would you expect?

:thumb001:

Queen Elena of Italy was of this dynasty.

I always admired how the serb dynasty withstood againts austrian and ottoman imperialism.

[Twistedmind]

:thumb001:

Queen Elena of Italy was of this dynasty.

She is from Montenegrin Petrovići acctually. But they were declaring themelves to be Serbs. But there is connection. Queen Jelena of Italia was maternal aunt of King Aleskandar I making him cousin to king Umberto II :)

Savoiards and Karađorđevići are relatives :)



I always admired how the serb dynasty withstood againts austrian and ottoman imperialism.

Yes, they were impressive. Altough, there are others people which contributed. Simialry I could say, I allways admired Peiedemont Savoiards and how they reached unification of Italy, soemthing Friedrich II failed :)

[Peyrol]

She is from Montenegrin Petrovići acctually. But they were declaring themelves to be Serbs. But there is connection. Queen Jelena of Italia was maternal aunt of King Aleskandar I making him cousin to king Umberto II :)

Savoiards and Karađorđevići are relatives :)



Yes, they were impressive. Altough, there are others people which contributed. Simialry I could say, I allways admired Peiedemont Savoiards and how they reached unification of Italy, soemthing Friedrich II failed :)

There were plans of unification since Middle Age (by Machiavelli, Lorenzo il Magnifico, Ludovico il Moro, etc) but they always failed...Piemont was the only italic state who had the power to face Austrian empire, who controlled 9/10 of the peninsula in those times.

[Twistedmind]

Yep, they were verry smart in making alliances, and had lot of patience :)

[Arrow Cross]

Let me see he took Kosovo from us, introduced "Montenegrin ethnicity". Killed our priests, officers, traders, intelectuals academicians, and we should feel nostalgia. You are one rather diluted person. :picard1:
Tito was Croat. And he gave sheeptards everything, they have lot of his admirers for example Azem Vlasi.

Obviously not right-wingers like you, but this forum has a history of Tito-admiring Serbian pseudo-Commies. :p

[Twistedmind]

Obviously not right-wingers like you, but this forum has a history of Tito-admiring Serbian pseudo-Commies. :p
There are some pro-communist Serbs. But honestly I think it is way stronger among other ex-Yu nations. Considering Yugoslavia (all of them), it was good idea, but bad impelmentation (sad thing happening to most of good ideas).

[bimo]

Obviously not right-wingers like you, but this forum has a history of Tito-admiring Serbian pseudo-Commies. :p

fanatic commies are quite pathetic , in all the world , i happened to hear some ultra-pseudo-commies who like north korean regime :picard2:

[Methmatician]

I'm surprised Albanians would hate him, he pretty much created Kosovo.

[Žołnir]

For the communist genocide of the venetian-istriots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_killings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrian_Italians

True but Foibe killings victims were not just Italians many were Slovenes. Besides there were mass killings of Slovenes throught Slovene lands not just in Italian zone. It's cuz main targets of communists were all non-communists and enemies of ploreteriat. Communist Yuga spared communist Italians. Indeed minority rights for Italian community was given by communist Yuga. This dosen't mean i wanna defend Yuga cuz i ain't fan.

[Insuperable]

True but Foibe killings victims were not just Italians many were Slovenes. Besides there were mass killings of Slovenes throught Slovene lands not just in Italian zone. It's cuz main targets of communists were all non-communists and enemies of ploreteriat. Communist Yuga spared communist Italians. Indeed minority rights for Italian community was given by communist Yuga. This dosen't mean i wanna defend Yuga cuz i ain't fan.


It is not like Italians were innocent angels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp
Before Foibe

[Žołnir]

It is not like Italians were innocent angels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp
Before Foibe

Yes true Foibe were combination of retaliation and communist cleanings. I blame all sides. Altho to be honest communists in Yuga wouldn't be so strong without Nazis and Fascists.

[derLowe]

For the communist genocide of the venetian-istriots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_killings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrian_Italians

I remember my father telling me a story of how allot of the volkdeutch started "disappearing" after the WW2. The only reference I could find is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%9319 50%29#Yugoslavia

[Peyrol]

True but Foibe killings victims were not just Italians many were Slovenes. Besides there were mass killings of Slovenes throught Slovene lands not just in Italian zone. It's cuz main targets of communists were all non-communists and enemies of ploreteriat. Communist Yuga spared communist Italians. Indeed minority rights for Italian community was given by communist Yuga. This dosen't mean i wanna defend Yuga cuz i ain't fan.


It is not like Italians were innocent angels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rab_concentration_camp
Before Foibe

I don't deny fascist anti-slavic discrimination, but remember that many istriots lived in Istria since venetian republic times, very few were fascist ''colonists''.

Here 1900 ethnic groups:

http://www.lagrangenew.it/MEMORIALE/10febbraio/IMMAGINI/Istria_etnie_rid.jpg

here 2001 census about italian speakers

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/6/69/Istria_italiani_2001.png/300px-Istria_italiani_2001.png

[Insuperable]

I don't deny fascist anti-slavic discrimination, but remember that many istriots lived in Istria since venetian republic times, very few were fascist ''colonists''.

Here 1900 ethnic groups:

http://www.lagrangenew.it/MEMORIALE/10febbraio/IMMAGINI/Istria_etnie_rid.jpg

here 2001 census about italian speakers

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/6/69/Istria_italiani_2001.png/300px-Istria_italiani_2001.png

That is probably the worst excuse I read for having a concentration camp.

You were already given a lot of islands and parts of Dalmatia during WW2 anyway (only to be later given back by Hitler). Even he wrote;

[QUOTE[Whatever happens, one shouldn't treat them as Italy is doing at present.[/QUOTE]

[Wild North]

Tito, fooled many people in the west, into believing that he was a sort of "liberal socialist", but in fact he was not. Liberals/ liberal socialists in the west and all around the world admired him.

And Tito´s secret police is rumored to be one of the worst in the world.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What was the average albanians view about Tito? Now i am not talking about average people only

Slav, same sh!t as others.

[Steven]

What was the average albanians view about Tito? Now i am not talking about average people only

We like Tito, he was a fair ruler.

[Amun]

He was a good dictator and good friend of Egypt. Yugoslavia had the 4th strongest army in Europe in its good days.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

He was a good dictator and good friend of Egypt. Yugoslavia had the 4th strongest army in Europe in its good days.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Amun]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, he was. Look how the Balkan went through after he died.

[Arianiti]

Tito was a communist. Nothing more or less. He was one of rare people or the only one who managed to keep together south slavs and were happy. As for Albanians he was like any other slav. Albanians each right gained in Tito Yugoslavia had to pay it by blood.

Albanians though they were the second or third largest population in Yugoslavia didn't have rights and were not treated as other nationalities.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yes, he was. Look how the Balkan went through after he died.

Yeah right, just like mubarak.

[Cleitus]

He was a Communist Bastard.

[Amun]

Yeah right, just like mubarak.

Mubarak can't be compared to Tito. Mubarak is a Zionist good dog, he used to do what he told bu Americans and Arabs.
He made Egypt a SHITHOLE.

[Skerdilaid]

I'm surprised Albanians would hate him, he pretty much created Kosovo.

Kosova was created because Albanians fought for it. Tito gave us the autonomy only in 74, this he did because he needed loans and guess what he needed to prove to his bankers that Yougo was a stable country. Also the biggest mines which were as guaranty for those loans were physically in Kosova.

If you think Tito did what he did to weaken Serbs or to strengthen Albanians you are deluded my friend.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Kosova was created because Albanians fought for it. Tito gave us the autonomy only in 74, this he did because he needed loans and guess what he needed to prove to his bankers that Yougo was a stable country. Also the biggest mines which were as guaranty for those loans were physically in Kosova.

If you think Tito did what he did to weaken Serbs or to strengthen Albanians you are deluded my friend.

It was to weaken to Serbia not necessarily to strengthen Albanians in Kosovo.

This is also why Vojvodina was made an autonomous region and given same status as Serbia (and Kosovo). This is why Macedonia was broken away and given its own republic status and why Montenegro was prevented from being integrated into Serbia (again).

Tito was all about strong Yugoslavia. And in his mind (and possibly correct) strong Yugoslavia = weak Serbia. Strong Serbia yields to tensions with everyone else in the country.

[morski]

Tito was a communist. Nothing more or less. He was one of rare people or the only one who managed to keep together south slavs and were happy. As for Albanians he was like any other slav. Albanians each right gained in Tito Yugoslavia had to pay it by blood.

Albanians though they were the second or third largest population in Yugoslavia didn't have rights and were not treated as other nationalities.

:D

[Sisak]

Yugoslavian space program

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJiNPZ38kY

[Arianiti]

:D

Albanians were less only than Serbs or/and maybe in the same numbers or more than Croats. Slovenes, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, Bulgaro-Macedonians were fore sure less.

Just think of Albanians in Serbia proper, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosova. Albanians are the only nation where the number of them was/is higher outside mother state than inside of it.

[MandM]

i cant say anything in my opinion cuz i was to little to know anything about it, but the albanians i work with the ones who are over 45 years say they loved him, they had it good back then,have never heard of the older ones say it was bad, if its the truth or not i dont know, this is just what they told me.

[Permafrost]

This semi-imbecille, communist halfwit committed an ethnocide on Istro-Venetians, for which the Slovene posterity have to bear moral responsability to this day.

Furthermore, due to his communist regime, Slovenia was not awarded much of it's ethnic territory, since the allies were on the side of the democratic/capitalistic European nations.

Furthermore, he has blood of Slovenian children on his hands, because those of them who partook in non-partisan military and paramilitary formations during WWII, were sent to death camps, once they escaped were often shot in the back by Tito's goons.

Furthermore, he destroyed Slovenian agriculture. Now instead of having arable land in southern Slo, we have a f****** rainforests!

[Sisak]

In Yugoslavia was a good attempt regards agriculture. But were either unsuccessful or not researched enough (try the rice grown in this area). But at the same time also occurred devastation of land, dug a lot of channels to be dried land in Slavonia, because here there is a wetland area.

[Permafrost]

Trst je naš :laugh:

Samo ko se spumnim na reakcijo Italijanske vlade pokle teg filma...

Smešno kot sto materi :lmao

[Szegedist]

In Yugoslavia was a good attempt regards agriculture. But were either unsuccessful or not researched enough (try the rice grown in this area). But at the same time also occurred devastation of land, dug a lot of channels to be dried land in Slavonia, because here there is a wetland area.

What you are describing is a "phenomenon" that happened in most communist countries.

[Permafrost]

In Yugoslavia was a good attempt regards agriculture. But were either unsuccessful or not researched enough (try the rice grown in this area). But at the same time also occurred devastation of land, dug a lot of channels to be dried land in Slavonia, because here there is a wetland area.

I see. I cannot comment because I don't think I ever was in Slavonia. I only know Istra extensively.

However in Slo communist management destroyed agricultural potential, IMO because the region tasked for food production was mainly Vojvodina, so maybe it was not necessary at the time. As a result, Slovenia is now the 3rd less urbanized country in Europe, and land that should be arable is very densely forested. Then there is the case of Gottscheer Deutschen farmers...

Well, I guess at least the green is nice...

[Minesweeper]

Albanians who hate Tito are mostly young and stupid. Albanians from Albania could only dream about living in Autonomous Kosovo/Yugoslavia.

[Cleitus]

Albanians who hate Tito are mostly young and stupid. Albanians from Albania could only dream about living in Autonomous Kosovo/Yugoslavia.
Tito was a Communist (Marxism,Internationalism,Anti-Nationalism) http://driftlessareareview.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/how_communism_works.jpg

[Not a Cop]

Tito was a Communist (Marxism,Internationalism,Anti-Nationalism) http://driftlessareareview.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/how_communism_works.jpg

Yugoslavia surely was'nt a communis state with all the freedoms, and it was for sure the best commie-block state among with east germany

[Szegedist]

Yugoslavia surely was'nt a communis state with all the freedoms, and it was for sure the best commie-block state among with east germany

Yugoslavia was not really part of the Commie block.

[Arianiti]

Yugoslavia had a liberal communism, not some dictatorial Russian impact. It was self-governing state, liberal, but only for slavs. Albanians until 1974 had no rights. They were not untitled to almost any national rights, flag, Albanian language schooling until beginning of 70ies. Only by 1974 Constitution, Albanians had some rights but still politically chased by serbs and yugoslavs. So in overall it was from 1974- until to 1980-81 that Albanians had some partial rights.

It was during Tito time that many Albanians have been expelled from their ethnic lands, and one of the darkest part of history, the Rankovic rule.

[Skerdilaid]

Albanians who hate Tito are mostly young and stupid. Albanians from Albania could only dream about living in Autonomous Kosovo/Yugoslavia.

Ahhhh yes the Albanians all dreamed of living in YougoSLAVIA.