Turkic Y-DNA and MtDNA ( Mongoloid, Caucasoid, South Asian DNA)

[ButlerKing]

Does anyone know the reason for these strange moderate frequencies of South Asian DNA in central Asian turks? I just didn't think it would be that high. Almost every turkic people seems to have low-moderate haplogroup frequencies of South Asian DNA. Did these DNA already existed in Central Asian or was it contribution from gypsies or perharps north Indian slaves. ( There was South Asian slavery in Central Asia including gypsie migration ).


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But there is the possibility that it already existed when the Turkic ( hybrid mongoloid invaders) conquered the Iranic and intermarried with Iranic people and later the Mongolian invasion heavily intermarried with Iranic people. The Pasthun have some of these South Asian DNA. and so do the Tajiks but a little.

The Burusho people despite their European appearance also have signficant frequencies of South Asian DNA.

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hunzagirls_.jpg?w=460
http://www.belfun.com/Amaury/images/20010821%20Hunza%20Girl.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1045/1455790392_6a65c2ab33.jpg

[Austrvegr]

Dravidoid & Veddoid skulls have been found in pre-Indo-European cultures of Central Asia, so it comes as no surprise that there is some South Asian DNA inherited i.a. by Turkics.

Anau culture in Turkmenistan (5th millennium BC)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_2.jpg

Suyargan culture in Uzbekistan (2nd millennium BC)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_3.jpg

[Hayalet]

How are Y-chromosome markers even labeled like that? I'd like to see a chart consisting of only Finns and Yakuts.

As for the so-called South Asian Y-chromosome markers, I assume Haplogroup L-M20 is meant there. And isolated groups like Georgians and Caucasian Avars have it in similar low frequencies. Might be prehistoric.

[ButlerKing]

Dravidoid & Veddoid skulls have been found in pre-Indo-European cultures of Central Asia, so it comes as no surprise that there is some South Asian DNA inherited i.a. by Turkics.

Anau culture in Turkmenistan (5th millennium BC)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_2.jpg

Suyargan culture in Uzbekistan (2nd millennium BC)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_3.jpg


They look more like the European version of veddoid...

But even if they were Veddoid like in sri Lanka and India by the time Turkic invaders (hybrid mongoloid) conquered Iranic people they would have looked just like the way they do today because let's remember it is the autosomal DNA that matters and not the haplogroup frequencies that's why Central Asians can look like a mixture of European, Middle easterner, and East Asian but no Central Asian looks like a South Asian.

I mean the autosomal DNA of south Asian in Turkic is less than 5-6% so that mean original Central Asians would be only 10-15% South Asian like the Burusho, Hunza, Dardic people.



http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/sraz_91.jpg

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http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/_pamiri-girls-in-vanj1.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2350/2740063681_bbecab5cb0.jpg

[ButlerKing]

How are Y-chromosome markers even labeled like that? I'd like to see a chart consisting of only Finns and Yakuts.

As for the so-called South Asian Y-chromosome markers, I assume Haplogroup L-M20 is meant there. And isolated groups like Georgians and Caucasian Avars have it in similar low frequencies. Might be prehistoric.

I don't know.... I though South Asian like North Indian and Pakistani were Caucasoid ( the have some Veddoid admixture but no more than 30%) maybe they mean Dravidian who are a mixture of Veddoid and Caucasoid but closer to Veddoid. The gypsies despite being more genetically European have heavy admixture of South Asian markers like haplogroup H which is found in small frequencies in Central Asia. Both haplogroup L and H have absolutely nothing to do with Caucasoid though.

[Sky earth]

I think that Haplogroups only make 10 % of your Genes. For example the Kyrgyz: 70 % of their y-chromosome is Caucasoid, but on Autosomal Admixture they're only 30 % Caucasoid. The Kazakhs seem to be mostly Mongoloid here, but on Autosomal DNA they're even slightly more Caucasoid than the Kyrygz. Autosomal DNA is more important to define the Genetic make-up of an Ethnicity.

[Hayalet]

I think that Haplogroups only make 10 % of your Genes.
Technically, it's 0%. But that's not to say there aren't certain correlations.


The Kazakhs seem to be mostly Mongoloid here, but on Autosomal DNA they're even slightly more Caucasoid than the Kyrygz.

Autosomal DNA is more important to define the Genetic make-up of an Ethnicity.
You are right on both accounts.

[ButlerKing]

I think that Haplogroups only make 10 % of your Genes. For example the Kyrgyz: 70 % of their y-chromosome is Caucasoid, but on Autosomal Admixture they're only 30 % Caucasoid. The Kazakhs seem to be mostly Mongoloid here, but on Autosomal DNA they're even slightly more Caucasoid than the Kyrygz. Autosomal DNA is more important to define the Genetic make-up of an Ethnicity.


Most of them are R1a and Kyrgyz have 63% of it but let's say if 30% of these R1a were not contributed by Caucasoid males but by mixed race predominately Mongoloid males like Altay than the reason for their high Mongoloid autosomal DNA wouldn't be a surprise.

How many of the percentages of Kyrgyz R1a were hybrid mongoloid derived (Altay) or caucasoid derived ( Tajiks or original people who lived in Kyrgyzstan?) we don't know.

The Altay people apparently have 42% R1a
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100701211314/althistory/images/d/d8/Altaikai.jpg

[Vesuvian Sky]

I don't know when precisely, but there were hunter-gatherer migrations out of India and onto the steppe and the Pamir region of Central Asian. I always felt that the autosomal legacy of S. Asian genes among present day central Asian, and ME populations may have been due to such an event.

[ButlerKing]

The Pasthun in autosomal DNA is 26% South Asian and some have 20% South Asian and some 30% and yet they look like this.

http://dontmistakemeforamuslim.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/woman2.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8egpp6cMy1rog5buo1_500.jpg
http://www.itdunya.com/attachments/373802d1355039798-1.jpg

[kabeiros]

Technically, it's 0%. But that's not to say there aren't certain correlations. I think that y-dna haplogroups are worthless for individuals (you could be 100% Caucasoid and have y-dna C and mtdna D for example) but are valuable for populations as long as there is a big sample (which means that if out of 1000 samples of an x population, 100 y-dna samples and 50 mtdna samples turn out to be ''Mongoloid'', than we can conclude that this population has 10% mongoloid input in it's paternal side, 5% mongoloid input in it's maternal side and 7.5% Mongoloid input in general.

ps there are exceptions, of course. Founder effect can make y-dna totally irrelevant with aDNA