Christmas tree

[dado]

Post yours please:).. atheists and non christians can post their new years tree

[Hurrem sultana]

This one is in Malmö,Sweden,in a shopping center :)

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[arcticwolf]

I ain't got one, I'm on the road. I won't be home for a few months. But since you mentioned it.

This is what I see where I'm at. It looks Christmasy ;)

http://www.fullhdwpp.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Flatirons-Boulder-Colorado_www.FullHDWpp.com_.jpg

[Leliana]

My family only picks Nordmann firs as a Christbaum. :) Like:

http://regenbogenfamilie.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Christbaum_2010.jpg

[Onur]

This is a pagan tradition adopted by the christians.

Leave trees in their natural habitat, do not cut them for nothing. There is no place for a tree inside your concrete house.

[rhiannon]

My family only picks Nordmann firs as a Christbaum. :) Like:

http://regenbogenfamilie.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Christbaum_2010.jpg

Hey we have had Nordmanns now for two years in a row lol. I picked them! Their ancestral genepool came from Norway, from what I was told:thumb001:

[Hayalet]

This is a pagan tradition adopted by the christians.
By the Muslims as well these days, it seems.

[Graham]

Muslim Humbug. :P

[Smaug]

In my house we observe Hanukkah:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pHMjYAIDdko/TjitDLvPirI/AAAAAAAABGw/GHlczoNPGmI/s1600/Hannukah.jpg







































:D

[Kazimiera]

Christmas trees South African style. They are definitely not the traditional European Christmas tree. Here are some Christmas trees with a South African twist. Remember also, that it is mid-summer here now.

Giant Baobab Christmas tree

http://mikastefano.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/baobab-tree.jpeg


Christmas tree using trees after a summer bushfire

http://thesometimeszoo.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/img_8151.jpg


African-inspired Christmas tree

http://jazperjay.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/p6010901.jpg


A wire Christmas tree

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8361/8254243854_0e2cec7b44_b.jpg


Tree of lights in Johannesburg

http://education.goodmantheatre.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/South-Africa.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RsS0uLbFT20/TuIbuobBMYI/AAAAAAAAAPk/H3hlVPm4_MA/s1600/100_3830.JPG

[Mortimer]

http://s9.postimage.org/cyot7vwtr/IMG_1528.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/43nyxd817/full/)
upload pic (http://postimage.org/)

[morski]

This is a pagan tradition adopted by the christians.

Leave trees in their natural habitat, do not cut them for nothing. There is no place for a tree inside your concrete house.

Why don't you leave that decision to us, mm?

[SKYNET]

This is a pagan tradition adopted by the christians.

Leave trees in their natural habitat, do not cut them for nothing. There is no place for a tree inside your concrete house.



this is our tradition that makes happy everyone

[Kelta]

My family only picks Nordmann firs as a Christbaum. :) Like:

http://regenbogenfamilie.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Christbaum_2010.jpg

Very nice tree. We usually buy Blue Spruce or Noble Fir. Upload is not working so no pic. I don't think many Christians will give up their trees....Pagan or not.

[Kemalisté]

We're gonna buy one in the following weeks so I'll post

[Leliana]

This is a pagan tradition adopted by the christians.

Leave trees in their natural habitat, do not cut them for nothing. There is no place for a tree inside your concrete house.
Why do you feel the need to lecture Europeans on their Christmas traditions? If you don't like them, don't post in a Christmas thread. We like our Christmas traditions, heathen past or not: We don't care. It's nice, it's beautiful, it's tradition and the family meets around the tree to celebrate that special date!


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IM, that's a nice post and photo. :) More of that kind please and less of the usual stuff.

A good pick and a small but decent Christbaum for your or your parent's flat. Like the traditional decoration!

[Aurora]

I don't decorate for Christmas. If I did I'd want it to look something like this,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kEvUNPRz4pA/TOqM5OqI4KI/AAAAAAAAIvE/yvldpZ4WWTM/s640/living-room-swedish-1209-de.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Nkuu36-E4DU/UEjGumGLJ2I/AAAAAAAAB1c/NyoW3KeNTrg/s1600/6a00e54f9cbc5e883401287638e74d970c-500wi.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/8f2ecfa228a6d43fa8a5765db2699c6e/tumblr_mer6f210kH1qj1ttwo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvzvm0WVxn1qkg62io1_500.jpg

[ficuscarica]

I don´t have one, as I live alone in a shabby room in Jerusalem atm. :D


Back at home I like the combination of a fire place and a nicely decorated christmas tree with presents underneath it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I2USUcUmKww/Tukn2XT5JtI/AAAAAAAAEmY/Juu_-O2nrf4/s1600/Christmas-Tree%2B1.jpg

That´s where I want to sleep in with a good book and a cup of
hot Glühwein!



I also love the combination of "outdoor christmas trees" and snow:
http://cdn.tripwiremagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/image245.png


By the way, the christmas tree - like other great traditions, such as the christmas market - has its roots in Germany. The first records of christmas trees - in Elsass (Alsace) and Baden - come from the 16th century.

[Lithium]

It's so naive to call Christmas a christian tradition. I am against cutting trees so we have a living tree in our house which we decorate each year. One day, when I have my own house I would put a giant pentagram on top of such living tree :D

[ficuscarica]

It's so naive to call Christmas a christian tradition. I am against cutting trees so we have a living tree in our house which we decorate each year. One day, when I have my own house I would put a giant pentagram on top of such living tree :D

The use of evergreen twigs or trees can´t be traced back to one specific culture or region. Indeed it often was a heathen costum.

However, the first records of something that can be considered as a real christmas tree come from christian backgrounds of the 16th centure. It certainly was inspired by heathens, but using green twigs and candles as a source of hope for the coming spring or to bring some life in the dark winter time is not pagan per se.

[Lithium]

The use of evergreen twigs or trees can´t be traced back to one specific culture or region. Indeed it often was a heathen costum.

However, the first records of something that can be considered as a real christmas tree come from christian backgrounds of the 16th centure. It certainly was inspired by heathens, but using green twigs and candles as a source of hope for the coming spring or to bring some life in the dark winter time is not pagan per se.

Indeed, it's a mixture. But there were common traditions amongst all Indo-Europeans (and natives) in Europe. For example, in Bulgaria we put all kinds of offerings and decorations with a certain symbolism on and around the trees during all kinds of pagan celebrations. I think that the look of the Christmas tree we know nowadays is rather commercialised and with pretty mixed symbolism.

[ficuscarica]

Basically it is just a green tree with lights. You can fill that with all kinds of meanings or add all kinds of decoration either for fun or to express religious ideas. I wouldn´t become too dogmatic about this or that style of decoration and its meaning.

I think it is a nice thing for everyone to have in the dark winter time.

[el22]

ficus don't you find it strange that attaching meaning (and hopes) to natural objects (like trees) not only has nothing to do with the idea of God, but almost runs against it.

[ficuscarica]

ficus don't you find it strange that attaching meaning (and hopes) to natural objects (like trees) not only has nothing to do with the idea of God, but almost runs against it.

You have the same in the "Passover" meal, in which Jesus participated. Even the Lord´s Supper adds spiritual meaning to natural objects. Wine represents the blood of Jesus and bread his body. I don´t see a problem with it. The tree just brings light and life into the grey winter house. And in a sense this represents Christ´s birth into a hopeless world.
I can´t imagine that God would have a problem with Christians having that costum.

[el22]

ficus you are in israel now. What is the original kind of tree used as christmas tree, and does it naturally grow up in israel?

ficus: I can´t imagine that God would have a problem with Christians having that costum.

me neither, but not having a problem and suggesting it are two different levels of endorsement.

[ficuscarica]

ficus you are in israel now. What is the original kind of tree used as christmas tree, and does it naturally grow up in israel?

ficus: I can´t imagine that God would have a problem with Christians having that costum.

me neither, but not having a problem and suggesting it are two different levels of endorsement.

Christmas trees are evergreen conifers. Yes, they do exist in Israeli (juniper, cupressus sempervirens horizontalis, aleppo pine, lebanon cedar, etc). I am not saying that the christmas tree is a biblical costum. I am saying that adding symbolism to natural object is something that can be found in the bible.

Using a christmas tree doesn´t contradict anything that I read in the bible. The bible also doesn´t tell me to use electric light or toilet paper, yet I don´t think I do anything wrong when I use it. :D

[el22]

Using a christmas tree doesn´t contradict anything that I read in the bible. The bible also doesn´t tell me to use electric light or toilet paper, yet I don´t think I do anything wrong when I use it. :D

Ofc, but you wouldn't go as far as to claim that using electricity is a Christian tradition, or would you? And that's my point: bible doesn't forbid it, but it certainly doesn't come from bible - it's clearly a pagan tradition.

[Annihilus]

I approve of this pagan tradition:thumb001:

[ficuscarica]

Ofc, but you wouldn't go as far as to claim that using electricity is a Christian tradition, or would you? And that's my point: bible doesn't forbid it, but it certainly doesn't come from bible - it's clearly a pagan tradition.

I would rather say it has pagan origins. The christmas tree as we know it, with the type of decoration that we are used to, has developed only in the last centuries. On the other hand it is true that the original idea of having a decorated, evergreen tree is pagan. The use of the tree as we know it today is therefore a mix of pagan ideas and christian ideas.

So we have a tree with decoration, which in today´s form is a product of christian and pagan ideas. At this point it is neutral. You can fill it with whatever meaning you want. And that is what makes it either a christian or a pagan or even an atheist tree then.

And besides all that: duuh, it´s a tree with some added lights and colors, not a statue of a god. :D

[Annihilus]

I would rather say it has pagan origins. The christmas tree as we know it, with the type of decoration that we are used to, has developed only in the last centuries. On the other hand it is true that the original idea of having a decorated, evergreen tree is pagan. The use of the tree as we know it today is therefore a mix of pagan ideas and christian ideas.

So we have a tree with decoration, which in today´s form is a product of christian and pagan ideas. At this point it is neutral. You can fill it with whatever meaning you want. And that is what makes it either a christian or a pagan or even an atheist tree then.

And besides all that: duuh, it´s a tree with some added lights and colors, not a statue of a god. :D

yeah right, turkic wish tree:rolleyes:

http://www.arastiralim.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Dilek-A%C4%9Fac%C4%B1.jpg

It is pagan to the core so sod off with your christian bollocks:picard2:

[ficuscarica]

This just proves what I say.

Pagan idea: decorated idea.
Christian idea: beautiful decorated tree. ;)

[Annihilus]

This just proves what I say.

Pagan idea: decorated idea.
Christian idea: stolen decorated tree. ;)

fixed:D

[morski]

It is pagan to the core so sod off with your christian bollocks:picard2:

I see you mudslimes are getting more and more impudent.

Why don't you all collectively just piss off from the forum for Christmas, mm? Cause we are going to celebrate and mention it a lot...

[ficuscarica]

He is atheist afaik. But apart from that, funny how he thinks a tree with some plastic rubbish is the same as a christmas tree. :D

[poiuytrewq0987]

I see you mudslimes are getting more and more impudent.

Why don't you all collectively just piss off from the forum for Christmas, mm? Cause we are going to celebrate and mention it a lot...

Yep, yet another Christian thread ruined by bitter third worlders.

[dralos]

i have put up the xmastree and put lights

[Graham]

Back to Christmas trees.
Got a smaller tree this year. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img221/4774/p1050274d.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/5857/p1050278xc.jpg

[Lux Aeterna]

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/grumpy-cat-christmas-christmas-tree-on-fire-grumpy-cat-is-happy.jpg

I'm a worse Grinch than any of the Muslims here :laugh:

http://socialeyezer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Grinch-Christmas-Grumpy-Cat-Meme.jpg

[Grenzland]

Back to Christmas trees.
Got a smaller tree this year. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img221/4774/p1050274d.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/5857/p1050278xc.jpg

Blue lights? I prefer the classical Christmas tree.

[Graham]

It changes colours.

[Grenzland]

It changes colours.

Haha, even worse! :D

[Graham]

Haha, even worse! :D

Fuck you!! :D

[Kazimiera]

Some local African Christmas decorations. Beading is very popular.

http://www.farmafrica.org.uk/ecards/ecards/Xmas%20decorations%20from%20Africa.jpg

http://www.wow-imports.com/images/catalog/Trees1.jpg

http://www.africanhome.co.za/images/thumbs/0022.jpg

http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens15769241module162826442photo_1351255283a _aa_aa_a.jpg

[rhiannon]

I approve of this pagan tradition:thumb001:

I don't personally care why people have Christmas trees at Christmas time. It is a beautiful tradition, regardless of where its origins come from. If I could find my bloody camera I'd upload a pic of ours lol.

The Christmas tree and the tendency for people to decorate with Christmas lights are two of my very favorite things about the holiday. :)

I also appreciate the aspect of European tradition and that Christmas trees called as such first started in Germany. It's one way for my American self to pay respect to an aspect of my own heritage:thumb001:

With all that said, one thing that bugs me is people using fake trees. You see a lot of that here:rolleyes:

[Graus]

A real christmas tree has candles instead of holiday lights.

[Peyrol]

I can't do the Tree because the cats :D

[rhiannon]

A real christmas tree has candles instead of holiday lights.

That may well be, but I could never do it that way because of the safety factor and the fact I have a small child in the home.

To me the lights are prettier. They have to be colored lights though....not just plain white or blue

[Lux Aeterna]

I can't do the Tree because the cats :D

http://i49.tinypic.com/vwv24i.jpg

[Peyrol]

http://i49.tinypic.com/vwv24i.jpg

I tried when they were kittens and the result was devastating (but also funny).

Now the female is 6kg of weight, so i prefer avoid the Tree. :D

[Virtuous]

we used to decorate our home from top to bottom and even on the outside...but it's all gone rotten...

[askra]

I can't do the Tree because the cats :D

I have the same problem this year with two kittens, they have even chewed the christmas lights that i have bought.
At least this year i will avoid to go in the cellar to search the dusty boxes containing the tree decorations of the last Christmas, and i will not waste my time to unroll Christmas festoons and lights. :D

[Graus]

That may well be, but I could never do it that way because of the safety factor and the fact I have a small child in the home.

To me the lights are prettier. They have to be colored lights though....not just plain white or blue

I understand your safety concerns, especially if one has a small child, poorly trained animals or simply not enough space.

About the second part, most American holiday decorations arent exactly to my liking, to put it nicely. Too much plastic and bright colours for me.

[jerney]

We have a small one this year too as we don't have enough space for a bigger one.

Some ornaments are missing due to a certain cat. I wanted to put a manger under the tree, but knew that wouldn't last more than a day with cats :lol:

http://i46.tinypic.com/53n33t.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2yl7faa.jpg

[Leliana]

Uhm, in Germany and Austria we don't erect and decorate the tree previous to 24th December. :icon_ask: Traditionally either Mom, Dad or grandparents decorate the tree in the daytime and the rest of the family sees the Christmas tree for the first time on Christmas Eve. :) But never earlier! Because the 'Christ Child' decorates the tree and brings the gifts. When the Christkind has left the room through the window, a small bell is ringed and everyone can come to the living room where the Christmas tree with candles, the presents and the set table with the meals are.

[ficuscarica]

Leliana, that´s not true. We always had a tree weeks before Christmas.

[Graham]

Tree goes up on the 13th most of time, in my family anyway.

[Leliana]

Leliana, that´s not true. We always had a tree weeks before Christmas.
Maybe protestant areas are different. But here in Catholic Bavaria and Upper Austria the 'Bescherung' falls together with the first encounter with the decorated tree on Christmas Eve. Going into the living room where the tree stands is a taboo until Christmas Eve, only the one who decorates the tree is allowed to be in there.

[Grenzland]

Uhm, in Germany and Austria we don't erect and decorate the tree previous to 24th December. :icon_ask: Traditionally either Mom, Dad or grandparents decorate the tree in the daytime and the rest of the family sees the Christmas tree for the first time on Christmas Eve. :) But never earlier! Because the 'Christ Child' decorates the tree and brings the gifts. When the Christkind has left the room through the window, a small bell is ringed and everyone can come to the living room where the Christmas tree with candles, the presents and the set table with the meals are.

My sweet childhood comes back! http://www.world-of-smilies.com/wos_engel/engel_30.gif

http://www.world-of-smilies.com/wos_weihnachten/1xmas500.gif

[Graus]

Uhm, in Germany and Austria we don't erect and decorate the tree previous to 24th December. :icon_ask: Traditionally either Mom, Dad or grandparents decorate the tree in the daytime and the rest of the family sees the Christmas tree for the first time on Christmas Eve. :) But never earlier! Because the 'Christ Child' decorates the tree and brings the gifts. When the Christkind has left the room through the window, a small bell is ringed and everyone can come to the living room where the Christmas tree with candles, the presents and the set table with the meals are.

Thats pretty much the same way we used to celebrate Christmas here up in the North but then my mom was raised a Catholic and coming to think of it, most of my friends where already visited by the "Weihnachtsmann" instead of the "Christkind". So maybe our way of celebrating was more southern than I am aware of.

[arcticwolf]

This is a pagan tradition adopted by the christians.

Leave trees in their natural habitat, do not cut them for nothing. There is no place for a tree inside your concrete house.

I hate to agree with you Onur! :p But I must this time! I love trees, and WTF, why can't they buy an artificial tree? Millions of beautiful, majestic cedars, firs, spruces etc are cut for what? Buy a fucking artificial Xmas tree!

Ok I'm ok now! :D

[Svipdag]

As an agnostic, I am unsure of the truth of the Christmas story. However, IF shepherds were watching their flocks by night at the time of His birth, it did not occur in the winter. Shepherds watch their flocks by night during the lambing season, in the Spring.

Why, then, do Christians celebrate the birth of the Christ in the Winter ? Because many cultures already had a holiday at that time which could be adopted and Christianised. Long before the beginnings of Christianity, there had been celebrations of the Winter Solstice, when the Sun returns to the northern latitudes.

In northern Europe, this time was called Yule and was celebrated with feasting, the burning of the Yule log, gift giving, etc. One of the folk customs of the season was to set up a lighted and decorated tree. The Winter Solstice occurs on December 21. .

I celebrate Yule with a feast on December 25, close enough to the Solstice, so that my Christian guests can celebrate the birth of their Saviour while I celebrate Yule. I also have a lighted and decorated artificial tree, thus not wasting a live tree.


"Du grønne glitrende træ god dag. Velkomme du som vi ser så gjerne."

[Anglojew]

http://images.suite101.com/1137494_com_chanukiah0.jpg

[Mortimer]

my Christmas message
FUME41AhzOE

[Hurrem sultana]

In bosnia we call it new years tree,,communism turned everything into secular tradition for both christians and myslims,,even santa is called grandpa frost and comes on new year

[Methmatician]

In bosnia we call it new years tree,,communism turned everything into secular tradition for both christians and myslims,,even santa is called grandpa frost and comes on new year

Djed Mraz as a Santa Claus figure is a Christian creation. Before reforms from the Russian Orthodox Church Djed Mraz was a malevolent child kidnapper. AFAIK, Communists only changed Djed Mraz in the Soviet Union where they changed his red suit to a Blue one and he carries a staff.

[Hurrem sultana]

He is associated with new year only,,Christians have sjed bozicnjak but he is not popular like djed mraz :D

[Methmatician]

He is associated with new year only,,Christians have sjed bozicnjak but he is not popular like djed mraz :D

Yes I know. But it was the Orthodox Church that made him celebrated on new years and they were the ones who made him give out presents. Djed Bozicnjak is what Croatian called Djed Mraz because they viewed Djed Mraz as a Serbian communist figure during the Yugoslav Wars.

[Hurrem sultana]

I know christians kids here get 2 presents,christmas ftom djed bozicnjak and on new years eve from djed mra

[Methmatician]

I know christians kids here get 2 presents,christmas ftom djed bozicnjak and on new years eve from djed mra

Never knew Serbs had Djed Bozicnjak.

[Hurrem sultana]

i am talking about croats,but serbs have their own too...but their christmas is in january

[dralos]

IM the swarthy anti-christ:D

[Peyrol]

The Christmas Tree isn't ''an ancient chrtistian tradition'', because took popularity only after Queen Victoria's marriage with Prince Albert Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, who imported this tradition from Germany.

[Mortimer]

IM the swarthy anti-christ:D

why the "anti-Christ"?:rolleyes::D

[dralos]

why the "anti-Christ"?:rolleyes::D
bcs you're a wog so you're muslim,simple logic:thumb001:

[Corvus]

Maybe protestant areas are different. But here in Catholic Bavaria and Upper Austria the 'Bescherung' falls together with the first encounter with the decorated tree on Christmas Eve. Going into the living room where the tree stands is a taboo until Christmas Eve, only the one who decorates the tree is allowed to be in there.

We never ever have a Christmas tree before the 24th of December.
It gets decorated during the day according to tradition.

[Leliana]

We never ever have a Christmas tree before the 24th of December.
It gets decorated during the day according to tradition.
Yep, the same tradition here. Must be something exclusively Austrian and Bavarian when the other German regions have different traditions.

[Mortimer]

bcs you're a wog so you're muslim,simple logic:thumb001:

so you want to Claim me for your Islam?

[dralos]

so you want to Claim me for your Islam?
yes because you make muslim girls horny while taking shower:D

[Mortimer]

yes because you make muslim girls horny while taking shower:D

you are gay

[dralos]

you are gay
i'm blind bcs of you:(

[poiuytrewq0987]

No Christmas tree for me this year. Maybe next year when I am more settled. :)

[Grenzland]

Yep, the same tradition here. Must be something exclusively Austrian and Bavarian when the other German regions have different traditions.

If it's not Bavarian,
it's not really Aryan!


- Grenzland, about 2012


:D

[Grenzland]

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/15582_457041021026998_1186096087_n.jpg

:)

[Leliana]

Wirklich schön Grenzland, der Baum hat die richtige Form, also keine nackerten Stellen, und wurde traditionell geschmückt. :) Ich würd vielleicht noch ein paar Bienenwachskerzchen an die Zweige hängen, aber das ist Geschmackssache.

[Grenzland]

Wirklich schön Grenzland, der Baum hat die richtige Form, also keine nackerten Stellen, und wurde traditionell geschmückt. :) Ich würd vielleicht noch ein paar Bienenwachskerzchen an die Zweige hängen, aber das ist Geschmackssache.

Das ist ja nicht direkt meiner sondern der unserer Burschenschaft. Deshalb auch schon jetzt geschmückt. ;)

Da einige meiner Bundesbrüder Hunde haben und die dann auch mitnehmen waren uns echte Kerzen zu gefährlich. Aber ich finde sie auch schöner. :)

Ich geb das Lob mal an mich und das restliche Schmückpersonal weiter. :D

[Allenson]

I always go with a balsam fir as they grow native in my area.

I haven't taken a picture since I put it up and decorated it but here it is being dragged back to the house from yonder woodlands. :cool:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5089/5263870768_2eec86f37d.jpg

[Lena]

my bad...

[Arūnas]

https://i.postimg.cc/PrYC55mS/IMG-20211220-164333-kopia.jpg

[Blondie]

Christbaum of Budapest:

https://s.24.hu/app/uploads/2021/11/karifa-e1637317644136-2048x1152.jpg

[Arūnas]

ok, the other (private) one
https://i.postimg.cc/3Jjs9PtZ/IMG-20211226-123955-kopia.jpg

[travv]

https://i.postimg.cc/PrYC55mS/IMG-20211220-164333-kopia.jpg

What's the name of that store? Can't read.

[Arūnas]

What's the name of that store? Can't read.

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