Please classify this person

[bbrown]

Hello.
I am quite new to the topic of racial classification so could you please help me classify this person (unfortunately, that's the only usable photo I have of him). He's about 172 cm and quite stocky in build. And he's brachy- or mesocephalic insofar as I can say.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5537/pic01tkl.jpg

Thanx.

[Guapo]

I say "Anglo-Saxon", a more robust Nordic.

[Beorn]

His last name wouldn't be 'Gott', would it?

[bbrown]

His last name wouldn't be 'Gott', would it?
Uh, Gott? Warum? :) Well, no. In fact, it's one of my remote cousins from--well, I won't name the country. Just was wondering what's his type because I have a hard time distinguishing between them...

[Beorn]

Uh, Gott? Warum?

Why? Because if he had bright blonde hair, he would of the right build and phenotype to be considered some kind of "Germanic" breed which is very prevelant around the South to South-East.

(Mind you, even without the hair, he still is :D)

[bbrown]

Why? Because if he had bright blonde hair, he would of the right build and phenotype to be considered some kind of "Germanic" breed which is very prevelant around the South to South-East.
(Mind you, even without the hair, he still is :D)

As far as I can remember, his hair is light brown. When he has it, that is.
Which of the Germanic types comes to your mind, by the way?

[Beorn]

Which of the Germanic types comes to your mind, by the way?

If it isn't a KN then I'm lost and floundering in the mire when it comes to classifications, but I would say some kind of Trønder with mixture.

[bbrown]

Anyone else?

[Germanicus]

It would help even better to post a picture of a side view of his head, then we would all have a better chance classify this person.:)

[bbrown]

It would help even better to post a picture of a side view of his head, then we would all have a better chance classify this person.:)

As I said that's the only photo I have :(

[bbrown]

It would help even better to post a picture of a side view of his head, then we would all have a better chance classify this person.:)

In fact, I do have a side view photo of him though of low quality.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7872/pic02h.jpg

Don't know if that can help. And, by the way, his nose was broken when he was a child. Otherwise, it should be more or less straight, I guess.

[bbrown]

Any more ideas? Would you classify him as having some of the Cro-Magnoid traits?

[Vulpix]

Is it really the same person? He looks very different.

[bbrown]

Is it really the same person? He looks very different.
It is the same person. Though the second photograph was probably taken several years before the first one. And I admit that lighting and overall quality are not of the best. But it's the only side view I have.
Concerning Cro-Magnoid traits, if you base your opinion on the first photograph, would you say he has them?

[Vulpix]

His front and profile look like they belong to two different people :confused:.

Asthenic jaw and chin and highly sloped forehead... interesting specimen, I'm not too sure what to make of him.

[Jarl]

In fact, I do have a side view photo of him though of low quality.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7872/pic02h.jpg

Don't know if that can help. And, by the way, his nose was broken when he was a child. Otherwise, it should be more or less straight, I guess.

Overall he seems Germanic. His head has to be very long. At least thats my impression after seeing the side photo. Balding, orthognathic profile, zygomatic bones not overly pronounced, long face, and sloping forehead - looks like a rather North-Western phenotype to me.

[bbrown]

His front and profile look like they belong to two different people

Indeed, very confusing. That's why I was so perplexed as to how to classify him in the first place. :confused:


Overall he seems Germanic. His head has to be very long. At least thats my impression after seeing the side photo. Balding, orthognathic profile, zygomatic bones not overly pronounced, long face, and sloping forehead - looks like a rather North-Western phenotype to me.

Your comparison with Charles XII seems most interesting.

[Jarl]

Your comparison with Charles XII seems most interesting.

Haha! But not intentional! That's my sig pic ;) Sticking to typological terms he'd be classified as some sort of Nordic mix, depending on his indices and the typological school.

[bbrown]

Haha! But not intentional! That's my sig pic ;)
Interesting coincidence. ;) Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mazepa2.JPG Some resemblance here. Not his other portraits though.

[Brännvin]

Yes, interesting coincidence!

Karl XII's mummified skull and the so-called death mask

http://www.karlxii.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/lik21.jpg

http://www.karlxii.se/2008/07/28/kung-karl-ar-dod-lange-leve-ny-vetenskap/

[Jarl]

Indeed! Karl XII looks somewhat similar to that fellow on that "Mazepa painting". Particularly the forehead and the hairline resembles that of your friend's. I generally find sloping foreheads and receded hairline more common among the Germanic branch. Also that particular, tonsure-leaving, type of balding seems more common among Western and Northern Europeans.

[bbrown]

Here's a more up-to-date side-view picture of my cousin that I asked him to take. It's somewhat different from the other one I had posted. He doesn't seem as "long-headed."

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2530/pic03u.jpg

[Freomæg]

I know very little about specific taxonomy, but he looks at home anywhere from Britain to Scandinavia to the Slavic lands. Mostly British though.

[Goidelic]

British Isles Bruenn with a hint of Keltic Nordic.

[bbrown]

Thanx everyone for your attempts at classification. I guess the person in question is not the easiest one to be classified.

[Heimmacht]

A robust Dinarid type just like my dad is, though your cousin has somewhat of a reduced chin.