Whats your political orientation?

[Ariets]

Im hardcore libertarian, anarchocapitalist/anarchomonarchist:cool:.

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There is a thread alike to that in form and content, but with lack of number of options and with nothing serious in it. I choose some of the most popular doctrines, ideas and added small descriptions.

Edit: Mods, would it be possible to show how some other users voted?

[Cato]

Let me sum up my politics with a psalm of praise:

Why do the liberals and conservatives rage, and the people of change and hope imagine a vain thing?

The leaders of both houses of Congress, and President Obongo take counsel together, against God and against his anointed electorate, saying

Let us break their voting bloc, and cast away their constituency from us.

He that sitteth in the heavens, and they that standeth in the voting booth, shall laugh: God the Lord and his anointed electorate shall have them in derision.

Then shall they speak unto them in their wrath, and vex them in their sore electoral displeasure.

Yet have they set their president upon the holy Capital Hill.

- Borrowed and modified from the Psalter 2:1-6, KJV.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=2&v=1&t=KJV

[Mrs Ulf]

I have no idea. I enjoy politics a great deal, but I have no interest in picking a group or label.

It might be dumb, but I see no point in picking a label for politics. Why pick a side when it seems that each group likes to change constantly. I'd rather debate my opinions unlabeled.

I can appreciate those who like to find a place for their views that they fit into. I just don't. Although I'm sure Ulf can find a label for me, and I'm sure I might be classified for one of them. Maybe I don't care to see where I'd fit in. That's the most probable.

[Ulf]

I have no idea. I enjoy politics a great deal, but I have no interest in picking a group or label.

It might be dumb, but I see no point in picking a label for politics. Why pick a side when it seems that each group likes to change constantly. I'd rather debate my opinions unlabeled.

I can appreciate those who like to find a place for their views that they fit into. I just don't. Although I'm sure Ulf can find a label for me, and I'm sure I might be classified for one of them. Maybe I don't care to see where I'd fit in. That's the most probable.

Hippie. My kids aren't allowed to have your political views. ;)

[Mrs Ulf]

Hippie. My kids aren't allowed to have your political views. ;)

We'll see about that. I'm quite sure your views might scare them off. :D

[Ulf]

We'll see about that. I'm quite sure your views might scare them off. :D

Some of my views scare off Neo-Nazis. ;)

[Cato]

I used to be a Republican, then briefly Democrat (why I still wonder), now I'm third party (NY Conservative Party). Now, I'm wondering giving up on politics altogether.

[Laudanum]

Traditional NationalSocialism (no skinhead stuff, I do not consider that to be NS)

[Equinox]

Radical Traditionist.

[Atlas]

Conservative liberalism

[Allenson]

Common Sense, thanks.

[TheWingedHussar]

It's illogical to stick to one orientation, when the environment is currently changing. A centre-right group will come in, everything's hunky dory until too much privatisation and no support for the unemployed leads to disaster. Then a centre left group comes in, everything's hunky dory until they can no longer fund all of the nationalised businesses and healthcare systems and the country's in a mess. It doesn't always happen like that, but your vote should change according to the current situation. If everyone voted the same each time, we'd be in a right mess.

[Vargtand]

Nationalconservative royalist.

[Óttar]

Libertarian + Constitutionalist.

[Loki]

Edit: Mods, would it be possible to show how some other users voted?

Done :)

[Inese]

National ethnic conservatism!! A conservative democracy with strong ethnic and national orientation!! Parties who are against the ethnic system should get banned ---- like the Russian minority parties who infiltrate our nation and want influence!

Hm a other good word can be "Nationaldemocratism"??

[Loki]

Like Mrs. Ulf, I also do not like to be labelled. My political views are mostly an amalgamation of good ideas from many core perspectives.

I have also noticed that my views tended to become more relaxed with age, with a tendency towards socialism and liberalism -- and increasingly against authoritarianism, individual capitalism and economic vanity. Profit is not the be all and end all of everything. There is something very wrong with today's balance of society -- and our priorities are all selfish for the wrong reasons. Goodness, charity, kindness, common sense and genuine cameraderie are all lacking in today's world -- sadly. I despise materialistic people.

[Radojica]

Royalist? :eek! Hehe, i was living in "Tito's communism", "Milosevic socialism(ha!)", now in "democratic society" and i would like to try to be Royalist hehe.I think its somehow the closest to my true, inner orientation, nationalist...

[anonymaus]

Laissez-faire.

[Kempenzoon]

I don't usually go with labels easily. Let's see.

I fully agree with Loki's quote:


My political views are mostly an amalgamation of good ideas from many core perspectives.

As my profile says: green nationalism is probably the best way to name it if you want my politics in a few words, though green nationalism with a flemish background is I guess different from green nationalism with (for example) a Finnish or an American background.

It also depends a bit. When someone asks me for my ideals, I give much more radical answers, then when someone asks me my opinion on an exact real life situation. So I guess I'm very much an idealist, but with a strong sense of reality still.

Talking of reality, I support the breaking down of large countries into smaller cultural and ethnic nation-states: such as Flanders, Britanny, Basque, Frisia, Scotland, Wales, Re-united Ireland, etc. I support more rights to the individual to control his own life and that of his family, through laws such as the castle doctrine which makes people less dependent on gov't enforcers. I also support initiatives to aid self-employed people and small business owners, and punitive initiatives aimed at large corporations and international business. I believe strong ecological initiatives need to be taken to punish polluters and support sustainability.

My "ideal" set of beliefs I won't bring up since I know it'll just remain pipe dreams, and besides, even in right-wing forums I'm considered too radical when I bring those up. :D

[ikki]

anyways.. nationalism and selfdetermination, would be the closest.
But contains those conservative social views and fairly liberal economics. Above all the recognition that a state is horribly inefficcient at doing anything they do.
As a rule everything ends up costing some 2,5 times what it should. And their administrative costs on top plus the usual disempowerment of the citizen.

[Loddfafner]

I don't believe that left vs right correspond any more to real distinctions beyond those of identity on the same level as affiliation with a sports team. As I put in my profile, with a nod to Nietzsche, I am beyond left and right although alcohol tends to bring out my rightwing tendencies while caffeine draws out the lefty in me. If anything, I am leftist by American standards but very rightwing in a European context.

I believe large-scale organizations should be regulated and intertwined enough to keep each other in check but able to maintain high standards for food, medicine, and education, and recognize and solve large-scale problems such as economic crises, mass healthcare, invasive immigration, and global warming. The local and smallscale should be much more autonomous, with more freedom at the expense of safety, allowing for rowdy bars, recreational pharmaceuticals, raunchy sexclubs, extreme websites, and respecting the right of a neighborhood to regulate its own demographic composition.

[Aemma]

Radical Traditionist.

Hi Equinox :)

Though I have some sense as to what this means, could you elaborate your own meaning of this for me pls? :)

Cheers!...Aemma :)

[Svarog]

I voted for communism, I don't care for politics, I am a Serbian nationalist and that's where it ends.

[Loki]

I voted for communism, I don't care for politics, I am a Serbian nationalist and that's where it ends.

Communism is a valid choice. :) Not all communistic implementations are Stalinistic or Maoistic. Not in theory, anyway. The ideology harbours legitimate conceptual ideas.

[Svarog]

Communism is a valid choice. :) Not all communistic implementations are Stalinistic or Maoistic. Not in theory, anyway. The ideology harbours legitimate conceptual ideas.

Exactly, finally someone who get it right :)

[Piparskeggr]

My profile reads "Modern Whig," which is a revival of the early 19th century US political party to which Abraham Lincoln originally belonged.

BUT, I reserve the right to vote my conscience on any and all issues.

I would say I'm more of a classical era (early Roman) republican with leanings towards tribal/clan structure and local, participative democracy.

[Gooding]

Conservative statism. Like Svarog, I care for my own people far more than I do for politics, but if asked, I think social conservatism mixed with economic socialism (:D) might be our best chance to get out of this economic freefall while also conserving our identity as a people.

[Berrocscir]

I usually go for National Anarchism, but I tend to be influenced by several different currents - Traditionalism, socialism, paleoconsevativism, syndicalism, distributism et al...I just despise liberalism and Internationalist socialism.

[Äike]

Communism is a valid choice. :) Not all communistic implementations are Stalinistic or Maoistic. Not in theory, anyway. The ideology harbours legitimate conceptual ideas.

You cannot place mediocrity on a par with culture and intelligence; consequently communism is impossible.
- Benjamin Perley Poore

Communism, like any other revealed religion, is largely made up of prophecies.
- Henry Louis Mencken

Communism is the corruption of a dream of justice.
- Adlai E. Stevenson

The law cannot equalize men in spite of Nature.
- Luc de Clapier de Vauvanargues

Communism possesses a language which every people can understand. Its elements are hunger, envy, death.
- Heinrich Heine


Communism (Utopianism) is Impossible.

[Ariets]

Communism is a valid choice. :) Not all communistic implementations are Stalinistic or Maoistic. Not in theory, anyway. The ideology harbours legitimate conceptual ideas.Communism in practice and theory is a one big load of crap, thats complete self-slavery without any signs of freedom (economical or personal).

Well, there wasn't also any real communism, as a political system in practice, but some parts were, and things like planned or central planned economics simply doesn't work. In Poland in the times of so-called communist era, we had so-called real socialism by the way.

Other issue is that it kills any signs of individualism for collective thinking, and is just against any laws of nature.:rolleyes:

As as post scriptum, well in Europe and as almost everywhere there are mostly socialist regimes with minimal free market, so blaming capitalism eg. for economical crisis is just a joke.

[anonymaus]

Communism ... is just a joke.

Snipped for brevity. :D

On the other hand, Marx was an excellent writer with a penchant for very beautiful language; overlooking the irony of the product of his own mind being used to prevent the use of others' minds, he greatly advanced political theory and sparked a debate which has carried on in theory and practice for over a century.

He and his works are important and valuable.

[Phlegethon]

Flexible response extremism.

[HawkR]

Nationalism with a touch of NS. All backed up by hate and realism.

[Phlegethon]

Hate is pretty much a one-way road ideology.

[Brännvin]

Hate is a feeling that consumes so much energy to get to spend time with it..


Nationalism with a touch of NS. All backed up by hate and realism.

Why bloody hell would a Norwegian support the NS?

[Osweo]

I struggle between gut feeling traditionalism, and the realistic appreciation that our drastic problems demand seriously radical solutions.



... Oh, dammit! I can't let this lie:

Talking of reality, I support the breaking down of large countries into smaller cultural and ethnic nation-states: such as Flanders, Britanny, Basque, Frisia, Scotland, Wales, Re-united Ireland, etc.
I commend and share the general sentiment, BUT:
Why the glaring hypocrisy here? What if I were to support 'Re-united Belgium'?!? Re-united Spanish Empire a la Duke of Parma etc.?!? Why are the southern Irish allowed to dominate other ethnicities on their island, and the English not? Why are Flemings worthy of self determination, of control over their fate, and Protestant Northern Irish not? Do you simply not realise that Ireland was never united in the pre-British era, or that the Loyalists in the North represent a wholly distinct ethnic group? :rolleyes:

[Óttar]

Why are the southern Irish allowed to dominate other ethnicities on their island, and the English not? Why are Flemings worthy of self determination, of control over their fate, and Protestant Northern Irish not?

Anti- non billy boy Irishism (I don't know what other term to use because, apparently, the Prods are conveniently entitled to being both "Irish" and not Irish at the same time :rolleyes2:) is the product of chauvinism, and an unapologetic identification with the aggressor. Why is it on this board, the Northern Irish are always justified and can do no wrong? If they're going to beat a lambeg and make a big song and dance about their forceful opportunistic displacement of their Catholic neighbors, why is it that you Billy boys cannot agree at least that the Prods should confine that primitive incendiary jingoist sh**t to their own damned neighborhood?

Ireland was not united in the "pre-British era", but the tribes did share binding, common cultural traits.

[Osweo]

Anti- non billy boy Irishism (I don't know what other term to use because, apparently, the Prods are conveniently entitled to being both "Irish" and not Irish at the same time :rolleyes2:) is the product of chauvinism, and an unapologetic identification with the aggressor.
I am the proud bearer of a 'non billy boy Irish' surname, in intimate contact with 'nbbI' kin in Tipperary and elsewhere and yet I favour continued partition. Oh, sorry, doesn't that fit your simple little fantasy world? I cannot be chauvinist against a good 3/8 of my own blood and bone. I don't identify with 17th Century warlords either. I just look at the present situation; ethnic incompatibilities, and reject a one-state solution. Got it yet?

Why is it on this board, the Northern Irish are always justified and can do no wrong?
The Board has no major position on it, it's just that the opinions of many of its members are unpalatable to you. You thus over-react and see red. :rolleyes:

If they're going to beat a lambeg and make a big song and dance about their forceful opportunistic displacement of their Catholic neighbors, why is it that you Billy boys cannot agree at least that the Prods should confine that primitive incendiary jingoist sh**t to their own damned neighborhood?
Maybe they should. When did I ever go into detail on the routes of Orange Marches?!? :confused:

Ireland was not united in the "pre-British era", but the tribes did share binding, common cultural traits.
And now they don't. Welcome to the 21st Century, Ottar. :(

[Óttar]

Ottar: Ireland was not united in the "pre-British era", but the tribes did share binding, common cultural traits.

Os: And now they don't. Welcome to the 21st Century, Ottar.

You use the argument that Ireland was never unified politically to justify the oppression of the indigenous Irish. I wonder if you would be so sympathetic in a similar scenario wherein (in a hypothetical 350 year ago past) the Irish forceably displace English and Lowland Scots, and establish an Irish colony in Britain... You would be saying that this enclave was historically British territory. You too would resort to 'anachronistic' thinking.

There is however the realistic alternative of Protestant and Catholic living amicably in an Ireland free of any and all forms of British administration.

[Vulpix]

anti EU, anti taxes, anti big government, pro guns, etc.

[Brännvin]

Monarchism and Folkhemmet

[Osweo]

You use the argument that Ireland was never unified politically to justify the oppression of the indigenous Irish.
I do not. I merely corrected our Flemish friend's sloppy use of the prefix 'RE-'. 'Re-unification' is a powerful propaganda word, implying a heroic restoration of something once violently torn apart, which in this situation is simplistic bullshit.

I wonder if you would be so sympathetic in a similar scenario wherein (in a hypothetical 350 year ago past) the Irish forceably displace English and Lowland Scots, and establish an Irish colony in Britain... You would be saying that this enclave was historically British territory. You too would resort to 'anachronistic' thinking.
What have such fantasies got to do with anything whatsoever? REAL PEOPLE live in the Six Counties, who DO NOT WANT to join the Republic. End of story. They just want to live their lives in peace, not subject to the rule of those who have differing moral outlooks, look down on their culture, or even wish for their full expulsion and extinction. :rolleyes:

(((Your little illustration DID in fact happen, but in the 9th Century, with Galloway and Cumberland and so on. :p)))

There is however the realistic alternative of Protestant and Catholic living amicably in an Ireland free of any and all forms of British administration.
There is NOT. Why? Because after unification, there'd be such GLOATING and TRIUMPHALISM on the part of certain sections of Catholic society, that it would be unbearable. The terrorists would look upon it as THEIR victory, and rub it in people's faces, and worse. Unification is thwarted by BAD BLOOD, stirred up by endless terrorism.

Your mates want to FORCE people into something they don't want, rather than trying to persuade them. Though our dear Foley ever seeks to link your enemies with 'multiculturalism', your pals in the paramilitaries are more similar to those who push mass immigration AGAINST the wishes of the population. "This is my idea of utopia, why don't you like it? How irrational! I'm going to FORCE you to like it!"

[Brännvin]

anti EU, anti taxes, anti big government, pro guns, etc.

Arghh.. so neo-liberal!

Except for the EU such ideology(anti taxes, anti big government) are very conducive to the multiculturalism..

[Kempenzoon]

What if I were to support 'Re-united Belgium'?!? Why are Flemings worthy of self determination, of control over their fate, and Protestant Northern Irish not?

Comparing Belgium to any other country, the UK would actually be much closer than Ireland. Both are systems where native ethnicities are treated badly by multicultural scum running a centralised government.

And why the protestant northern irish do not deserve self-determination *points down*


that the Loyalists in the North represent a wholly distinct ethnic group?

They represent as much an ethnic group in Ireland as Moroccans living in Belgium represent a wholly distinct ethnic group here. Or more related to your homeland, protestants belong as much in Belfast as Pakis belong in Westminster.

[Osweo]

Comparing Belgium to any other country, the UK would actually be much closer than Ireland. Both are systems where native ethnicities are treated badly by multicultural scum running a centralised government.
And you wish the same fate on the Irish? Why can't you understand that your pipe-dream is the creation of yet another multiethnic non-nation-state? Or do you propose evicting every Protestant?

And why the protestant northern irish do not deserve self-determination *points down*

They represent as much an ethnic group in Ireland as Moroccans living in Belgium represent a wholly distinct ethnic group here. Or more related to your homeland, protestants belong as much in Belfast as Pakis belong in Westminster.
You are SO wrong. :( Moroccans have been in Belgie for about two generations, during which time they've bummed off state benefits, commited all sorts of crimes, and in general made a nuisance of themselves.

The Northern Irish have been in their homeland for around four centuries, during which time they have even contributed heroes to the anti-British cause! By this, I mean to point out how they have been an integral part of the history of the island of Ireland, and are not mere third world welfare parasites.

They have farmed the land there for ... who knows, twenty generations, even. They are PART of the scenery, up in Antrim, Derry and the other Ulster counties. They founded towns, set up world-standard industry, developed a unique culture, not found in the Britain their ancestors left. Belfast would NOT be the great city it is today without the Protestants, for they BUILT that city. You cannot compare that with Indians in England.

PLEASE, look beyond the fashionable pro-IRA propaganda that you'll find in the media, informed by the 'victim-society' ideology that automatically casts some groups as villains and others as saints. This is a far more complex issue than you seeem to realise.

[Vulpix]

Arghh.. so neo-liberal!

Except for the EU such ideology(anti taxes, anti big government) are very conducive to the multiculturalism..

Why?

[Barreldriver]

Meritocracy.

[Brännvin]

Why?

What is wrong with a healthy national government and taxes?

What you are defending is a radical neoliberalism or am I wrong? For what matter the neoliberal ideology plays a central role as promoter of multiculturalism on now days, where neoliberalism and globalization are considered to be related to one another.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Except for the EU such ideology(anti taxes, anti big government) are very conducive to the multiculturalism..

Since the immigrant population would get by splendidly without social welfare programs, 'anti-hate-crime' police units, and a disarmed population to prey on :cool:

[Brännvin]

Since the immigrant population would get by splendidly without social welfare programs, 'anti-hate-crime' police units, and a disarmed population to prey on :cool:

Really?

Neoliberalim > globalization > transnationalism (aka EU) > immigration (aka cheap labor), it has as consequence the total annihilation of the welfare state; whose result is the indoctrination to the ideology of multiculturalism (social engineering that will sustain the existence of that system neoliberal).

In fact, undeniably neoliberalism and globalization are considered to be related to one another that is so evident.

I have no idea to the U.S reality, country which I do not know ( and I don't want comment about it) but in relation virtually to all the nations of Western Europe since the 70's and especially after the 90's those facts have played a big role in all decline in that we are witnessing.

[Brännvin]

Since the immigrant population would get by splendidly without social welfare programs, 'anti-hate-crime' police units, and a disarmed population to prey on :cool:

I do not know where disarmed population have to do with my critical for the post of Fjällräv. :cool:

I only questioned why would she support policies such anti government and anti taxes?

[Cato]

I took this test:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html?fbqt=74825&ref=mf

My results were:

The Political Spectrum Quiz
is a center-right social authoritarian. is also a neo-con and culturally conservative. 's scores (from 0 to 10):
Economic issues:+1.12 right
Social issues:+5.03 authoritarian
Foreign policy:+7 neo-con
Cultural identification:+7.45 conservative

Neocon hahaha. :)

[Ariets]

I took this test:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html?fbqt=74825&ref=mf

My results were:

The Political Spectrum Quiz
is a center-right social authoritarian. is also a neo-con and culturally conservative. 's scores (from 0 to 10):
Economic issues:+1.12 right
Social issues:+5.03 authoritarian
Foreign policy:+7 neo-con
Cultural identification:+7.45 conservative

Neocon hahaha. :)Not bad.

<table><tbody><tr><td style="width: 300px; padding-right: 20px; vertical-align: top;">Compass:
You are a far-right social libertarian.
Right: 8.55, Libertarian: 5.99
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[Loki]

I took this test:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html?fbqt=74825&ref=mf

My results were:

The Political Spectrum Quiz
is a center-right social authoritarian. is also a neo-con and culturally conservative. 's scores (from 0 to 10):
Economic issues:+1.12 right
Social issues:+5.03 authoritarian
Foreign policy:+7 neo-con
Cultural identification:+7.45 conservative

Neocon hahaha. :)

This test is similar:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5097

[The Lawspeaker]

I too took the test and posted it on my Facebook:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/grid/20x28.gif

Tristan is a centrist social libertarian. He is also a foreign policy centrist and somewhat culturally conservative. Tristan's scores (from 0 to 10):


Economic issues:+0.06 right
Social issues:+4.21 libertarian
Foreign policy:+0.57 non-interventionalist
Cultural identification:+1.69 conservative

[Jägerstaffel]

If I had to choose, I'd probably lean more towards liberal democrat than anything else. Give me my rights, no matter what I want to do, as long as it doesn't infringe upon your rights.

Although, truthfully, I think what any country needs is a strong and just King. People can't rule themselves effectively, but one man can. So Enlightened Despotism is my real orientation.

[Piparskeggr]

I came up as about 1/3 of the way onto the right-wing, but 1/10 the way into being libertarian. I scoped as conservative both on foreign policy and cultural concerns.

Pip

[Lulletje Rozewater]

anti EU, anti taxes, anti big government, pro guns, etc.
:thumb001::thumb001::thumb001:
And pro sex, pro child birth,pro LAT,pro sperm control(only a few strong ones should procreate,pro Nova Scotia.
Anti kaffir,anti-marriage,anti one women concept,anti condom, anti Germanic,anti Anglo-anti Irish,anti Italian,anti French Fries


Pro Boer

:D:D:D:D:D:cool::cool::cool::cool:

[Liffrea]

I wouldn't describe myself in any political sense, I believe in Faith, Folk and Family, I believe in what's best for England, for the European Folk and for the world in general. I think a man, or women for that matter, should have a clear idea about who they are and what they stand for, don't be restricted by labels or party politics.