Classify Julius Caesar

[classifyhere]

Classify every image separately

http://blogs.artinfo.com/secrethistoryofart/files/2012/07/juliuscaesar.jpg

http://www.museumstorecompany.com/images/products/19952.jpg


Also he is mesocephalic or brachycephalic?

[Anglojew]

Looks Germanic to me but hard to tell without pigmentation.

[MarkyMark]

Looks Germanic to me but hard to tell without pigmentation.

Definitely not Germanic, he reminds me of my dad with a nose that straight and long.

I would go with Med with slightly Dinaric(in the nose length), and slightly Armenoid(cheekbones) features.

[classifyhere]

does he look nordid?

i think he does,a little broader face but features like nordid

Also he is mesocephalic or brachycephalic?

[MarkyMark]

does he look nordid?

i think he does,a little broader face but features like nordid

Also he is mesocephalic or brachycephalic?

Maybe, but what you must realize is that his jaw, which makes his face look wide, is especially apparent in people who aren't Nordic such as Jews:
http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Daniel-Day-Lewis.jpg

I also see that type of chin in many Italians in my family. The nose and eyes seem Greco-Roman, and the hair is definitely roman hair.

P.S. I'm not a classifying expert.

[7eleven]

something inbetween Atlantid and Atlanto Mediterranid

[classifyhere]

Maybe, but what you must realize is that his jaw, which makes his face look wide, is especially apparent in people who aren't Nordic such as Jews:
http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Daniel-Day-Lewis.jpg

I also see that type of chin in many Italians in my family. The nose and eyes seem Greco-Roman, and the hair is definitely roman hair.

P.S. I'm not a classifying expert.

jews are a people with various phenotype,the elite jews mainly have armenoid

so don't bring that up again,debate features and phenotype nor religion

Daniel Day-Lewis looks north alantid


is mesocephalic or brachycephalic?


by the way what is medditarenean?

is think Mediterranean is same as nordid just darker

[Anglojew]

jews are a people with various phenotype,the elite jews mainly have armenoid

so don't bring that up again,debate features and phenotype nor religion

Daniel Day-Lewis looks north alantid


is mesocephalic or brachycephalic?


by the way what is medditarenean?

is think Mediterranean is same as nordid just darker


I thin Caesar looks Austrian.

[Peyrol]

I thin Caesar looks Austrian.


does he look nordid?

i think he does,a little broader face but features like nordid




Looks Germanic to me but hard to tell without pigmentation.

Not again these anti-historical bulshits please.

[Peyrol]

Very nordid..


Svetonius: ''...nigris oculis nigrosque crine...''

[Twistedmind]

Do you think they could understand Latin? :D

[Toretto]

Gracile med dinaric CM (alpine)

[Peyrol]

Do you think the could understand Latin? :D

Nigris oculis is very easy to understand even for a foreigner.

[Foxy]

Dinarized med. Probably, considering that once ppl were smaller built, he could have been a dinarized-atlanto med. I see no nordic features actually. And in reality Caesar had black hair and eyes.

[Peyrol]

Typical central italic look even among many modern latials.

[finþaų]

I agree with Perduellio. The bust doesn't look "Germanic" at all, but rather South European.

[Toretto]

pdUPYm06gVc

[Peyrol]

I agree with Perduellio. The bust doesn't look "Germanic" at all, but rather South European.

The hooked nose is very diffused even among modern romans

http://www.panorama.it/images/foto/tiberio-timperi/2298739-1/Tiberio-Timperi_h_partb.jpg

http://poker.coninternet.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/francesco_totti.jpg

http://www.ansa.it/webimages/foto_large/2012/6/20/bea8a0c3aff041eb5334ab39071d9d0f.jpg

http://www.stampalibera.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pietro-taricone-in-una-scena-del-film-il-covo-di-teresa-34332.jpg

[Foxy]

pdUPYm06gVc

Ahaha, this video is too funny. Btw 0:34 looks closer to Michele Santoro. :D

[aherne]

Looks slightly atypical for republican Romans because his features were at home in Southern Italy (which remained largely unaffected by first Italic invasions). Caesar is pure robust Mediterrannean, whereas in Rome, the national type was basically an Italic version of SubNordid, with a strong CroMagnid vibe (a mix of Aryan and aboriginal, which is confirmed by language and culture). Future emperors up to and including Trajan were much better representatives for Italics of that time and all adhered to the national type.

[sammymcgoff]

Noric

[Twistedmind]

Black haired and black eyed? Seriousl doubt.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Keltic-Nordid.

[Smeagol]

Atlanto-Mediterranean + Dinaric, not a typical Italic look.

[Smeagol]

Black haired and black eyed? Seriousl doubt.

According to Suetonius he was black eyed, and pale skinned. No mention of hair colour...

[Ianus]

Dinaromed, typical Italian

[MinervaItalica]

Typical Italian look.

[Iloko]

Pontid-Med w/ slight Dinaridization

[JohnSmith]

Dinaric looking

[JMack]

Dinaro-Med.

Very similar to me, lol.

Most emperors were Dinarics or Dinaro/Dinaricized-Mediterranids. I have examined ALL busts and reached that conclusion.

[Columella]

That bust is postumus like the majority of Caesar bust
Appearance varies.
The Arles bust is apparently contemporary and believed to be Caesar.
http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p511762/12135420394_16d63b6157.jpeg

This individual shows a heart shape face with visible cheeckbones, a delicately arched nose.
Narrow and ripid forehead, broad head.

As our types he seems closer to Alpine. But with high and narrow eyes. However we have no indication of real head shape.

[Columella]

Another bust believed to be a contemporary Caesar shows similarity with above but diffeeences.
Similar are the high, narrow eyes, visible cheeckbones, the balding,the gently arched nose, the broad head.
But The jaw is more delineated an deep and the chin flat. Cheeckbones more prominent. Head low, flat (platicefalic) and long, forehead slightly more sloping. The neck less contracted and more elongated.
This bust is more friendly and intellectual looking.
http://www.human-resonance.org/roman_concrete10.jpg

[Odin]

Dinaro-Med.

[The.Mask]

Looks Tosk albanian.

Dinarid and Atlantid.

[Zephyrus]

Looks Tosk albanian.

Dinarid and Atlantid.Shut your african piehole, zezak.

[Dick]

Another bust believed to be a contemporary Caesar shows similarity with above but diffeeences.
Similar are the high, narrow eyes, visible cheeckbones, the balding,the gently arched nose, the broad head.
But The jaw is more delineated an deep and the chin flat. Cheeckbones more prominent. Head low, flat (platicefalic) and long, forehead slightly more sloping. The neck less contracted and more elongated.
This bust is more friendly and intellectual looking.
http://www.human-resonance.org/roman_concrete10.jpg

Looks like Berlusconi

[Drusilla]

Dinaro-Med.

[MinervaItalica]

"Italian look".

[Pausanias]

Typical med

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bc/f1/af/bcf1afc3241ded564f27ff296a5f4bf3.jpg

[Columella]

^ that is a later portrait artificially colored.
Has the same logic of classifying Christ with a Byzantine mosaic.

[Aodhan]

Dinarid/Gracile med

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

consider romans were dominant R1b

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

The hooked nose is very diffused even among modern romans

http://www.panorama.it/images/foto/tiberio-timperi/2298739-1/Tiberio-Timperi_h_partb.jpg

http://poker.coninternet.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/francesco_totti.jpg

http://www.ansa.it/webimages/foto_large/2012/6/20/bea8a0c3aff041eb5334ab39071d9d0f.jpg

http://www.stampalibera.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pietro-taricone-in-una-scena-del-film-il-covo-di-teresa-34332.jpg

yes , unfortunatelly we have not much information about caesar eyes and skin color , it could help

[Columella]

yes , unfortunatelly we have not much information about caesar eyes and skin color , it could help

That's why is ridiculous classifying people from busts.
I would limit classifying Europeans to the Industrial Age ideally 1830/1850 >
Before people had different habit, lifestyle, nutrition , social positions
Only recently the social classes started forming, urban population grew etc.

[Dick]

consider romans were dominant R1b

For sure.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1e/b8/6f/1eb86faa56a38b809e05dbeefdd2c2cb.jpg

[Voskos]

Looks like a Bosniak or a Dacian.

[Percivalle]

Looks like Berlusconi

So Alpine.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

For sure.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1e/b8/6f/1eb86faa56a38b809e05dbeefdd2c2cb.jpg

yes ...i see you got the map from eupedia ...

this text came from there too :-p

The Bronze Age was brought to Europe by the Proto-Indo-Europeans, who migrated from the North Caucasus and the Pontic Steppe to the Balkans (from circa 6,000 years ago), then went up the Danube and invaded Central and Western Europe (from 4,500 years ago). Italic-speakers, an Indo-European branch, are thought to have crossed the Alps and invaded the Italian peninsula around 3,200 years ago, establishing the Villanova culture and bringing with them primarily R1b-U152 lineages and replacing or displacing a large part of the indigenous people. The Neolithic inhabitants of Italy sought refuge in the Apeninne mountains and in Sardinia. Nowadays, the highest concentration of haplogroup G2a and J1 outside the Middle East are found in the Apeninnes, Calabria, Sicily and Sardinia.


Distribution map of Y-DNA haplogroup R1b-U152 (S28) in Italy compared to the location of colonies founded by the ancient Romans
Italic tribes conquered the whole peninsula, but settled most heavily in northern and central-west Italy, especially in the Po Valley and Tuscany, but also in Umbria and the Latium, who both owe their names to Italic tribes (the Umbrians and the Latins). In all logic, the ancient Romans, from the original founders of Rome to the patricians of the Roman Republic, should have been essentially R1b-U152 people, with a minority of G2a-L140 (L13, L1264 and Z1816 subclades) and J2a1-L70 (PF5456 and Z2177 subclades). Those G2a and J2a1 lineages would have been assimilated either in the Steppe or in Southeast Europe before the Proto-Italics reached the Alps. Based on modern frequencies in northern and central Italy, each would have been 5 to 10x less common than R1b-U152. Intermarriages with their Etruscan and Greek neighbours would have gradually brought other paternal lineages to the Roman gene pool, including other G2a and J2 subclades, but also haplogroups such as E1b1b and T1a (see below).

An additional clue that the inhabitants of the Roman Republic still belonged predominantly to R1b-U152 comes from the modern population in the cities they founded. It is remarkable that most of the cities founded during the Roman Republic by Roman colonists in northern Italy (Alba, Aosta, Asti, Bologna, Brescia, Casale Monferrato, Cremona, Ferrara, Forlì, Ivrea, Lodi, Massa, Milan, Modena, Monza, Parma, Pavia, Piacenza, Pistoia, Pollenzo, Reggio Emilia, Rimini, Sarzana, Torino, Tortona) are located in the areas with the highest incidence of R1b-U152 (and lowest incidence of E1b1b and J2) today. Only a handful of Roman colonies were set up in north-east Italy (Aquileia, Belluno, Pordenone, Vicenza), four in the Marches (Ancona, Macerata, Pesaro and Senigallia), and not a single one in the modern region of Liguria.

Naturally U152 was already present in northern Italy before the Roman period. But if the Roman colonists had not been predominantly U152, its frequency would have been diluted by the newcomers. What we observe is the reverse; the frequency of U152 has been amplified around Roman colonies.

R1b-U152 has also been found a low frequencies (1 to 10%) almost everywhere within the boundaries of the Roman Empire, even in regions where no other R1b-U152 people (e.g. Hallstatt/La Tène Celts) ever settled, such as Sardinia and North Africa. On the other hand, not all U152 in southern Italy may be of Italic or direct Roman origin. Some of it may be attributed to the Normans (those of Gallo-Roman rather than Viking descent) and Swabian Germans during the Middle Ages, especially in Sicily. It is still difficult at present to differentiate the Celtic vs Italic origin of the various U152 subclades. Z56 appears to be the most Italic or Roman subclade, and particularly its Z72 clade. It is rare outside Italy and has a distribution focused on central Italy. Nevertheless other branches may also be Italic, including a few L2 subclades

[Sacrificed Ram]

Nordocromagnoid.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b0/ce/58/b0ce58dd857fd763c6d610d5f962a520.jpg

[RenaRyuguu]

idk super cool