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SwordoftheVistula
08-08-2009, 08:25 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090807/lf_nm_life/us_cuba_crisis_toiletpaper_1

Cuba, in the grip of a serious economic crisis, is running short of toilet paper and may not get sufficient supplies until the end of the year, officials with state-run companies said on Friday.

Officials said they were lowering the prices of 24 basic goods to help Cubans get through the difficulties provoked in part by the global financial crisis and three destructive hurricanes that struck the island last year.

Cuba's financial reserves have been depleted by increased spending for imports and reduced export income, which has forced the communist-led government to take extraordinary measures to keep the economy afloat.

"The corporation has taken all the steps so that at the end of the year there will be an important importation of toilet paper," an official with state conglomerate Cimex said on state-run Radio Rebelde.

The shipment will enable the state-run company "to supply this demand that today is presenting problems," he said.

Cuba both imports toilet paper and produces its own, but does not currently have enough raw materials to make it, he said.

One of the measures taken to address the cash crunch is a 20 percent cut in imports, which in recent days has become evident in the reduction of goods in state-run stores.

Cuba imports about 60 percent of its food.

Despite the shortages, prices will be cut between 5 percent and 27 percent for some food, drugs and personal hygiene products, officials said.

A visit to a store in Havana's Vedado neighborhood on Friday found that prices had dropped for mayonnaise, barbecue sauce and canned squid.

One customer, who gave his name only as Pedro, complained that "it doesn't look like prices have been lowered for the fundamental products" such as cooking oil.

Cubans receive a subsidized food ration from the government each month that they say meets their needs for about two weeks.

President Raul Castro told the National Assembly last week that the government had cut its spending budget for the second time this year and has been renegotiating its debt and payments with foreign providers.

Castro, who replaced his ailing older brother Fidel Castro as president last year, also has complained that Cuba's productivity is too low.

He has taken various steps to boost output, including putting more state-owned land in private hands and pushing for salaries to be based on productivity.

Creeping Death
08-08-2009, 08:53 PM
This story doesnt add up right, why Toilet paper? It is the most easiest item to manufacture and supply. Sounds like another American propaganda dig at Cuba, the goverment is introducing austerity measures (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i8PYkKokYjPHrqmBbQqWN5xEBCUA) due to deterioating economic situation but that is no different than America.

SwordoftheVistula
08-08-2009, 09:10 PM
why Toilet paper? It is the most easiest item to manufacture and supply.

Apparently not for socialist countries

Loki
08-08-2009, 09:13 PM
Apparently not for socialist countries

Sweden doesn't seem to have a shortage of toilet paper.

The Lawspeaker
08-08-2009, 09:21 PM
That's what I call a shitty regime if people don't even get the means of wiping their ass LOL.

Ĉmeric
08-08-2009, 10:53 PM
Maybe they are not capable of manufacturing an adequate supple of toilet paper but at least they provide free healthcare for all.

Loddfafner
08-08-2009, 10:57 PM
Do they even use toilet paper? Isn't Cuba one of those countries that still used old newspapers, large leaves, or the collected works of Lenin?

Loki
08-08-2009, 10:59 PM
Maybe they are not capable of manufacturing an adequate supple of toilet paper but at least they provide free healthcare for all.

So do some European countries, yet they have enough toilet paper. Hence analogy invalid.

Bari
08-08-2009, 11:04 PM
But still they have good doctors, right?:rolleyes:

SwordoftheVistula
08-09-2009, 07:33 AM
Sweden doesn't seem to have a shortage of toilet paper.

Sweden and Norway are the most socialist countries in 'the west' (Germanic & Celtic countries of Europe plus US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand), but on the world scale all the Germanic countries rank as far more capitalist than the rest of the world. Cuba, on the other hand, is 'more socialist' than only North Korea and Zimbabwe.


http://www.heritage.org/Index/Ranking.aspx

Loki
08-09-2009, 07:55 AM
Sweden and Norway are the most socialist countries in 'the west' (Germanic & Celtic countries of Europe plus US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand), but on the world scale all the Germanic countries rank as far more capitalist than the rest of the world. Cuba, on the other hand, is 'more socialist' than only North Korea and Zimbabwe.


http://www.heritage.org/Index/Ranking.aspx

Perhaps there is your answer then. This ranking index has nothing to do with socialism, it is an "economic freedom index". We're talking apples & pears. In Cuba, economic freedom is virtually non-existent.

I know that in America, "socialism" if often perceived as a swearword -- unfairly so. Socialism is not the same as communism. I watched the election commentary on Fox, etc, last year, and a big thing was made of the "s-word". These people often have little insight into moderate socialistic systems that we have operating in some European countries -- quite often very successfully.

Karaten
08-09-2009, 11:15 AM
Cuba will smell slightly worse, no big deal.

SwordoftheVistula
08-09-2009, 12:09 PM
This ranking index has nothing to do with socialism, it is an "economic freedom index". We're talking apples & pears. In Cuba, economic freedom is virtually non-existent.

It's the same thing, really. The organization which publishes the study is a pro-capitalist organization which uses 'economic freedom' as a euphemism for 'capitalism'. According to its methedology, countries are ranked on the level at which government interferes with or inhibits economic/business/corporate activity:

http://www.heritage.org/Index/PDF/Index09_Methodology.pdf

Assuming we are talking about socialism in the pure economic sense and not 'cultural marxism', one would assume that socialism is the opposite of capitalism and therefore the countries which receive a low ranking on the 'capitalism index' are 'more socialist'. The countries on the extreme ends certainly confirm this, with famously capitalist enclaves Hong Kong and Singapore scoring as the most 'economically free' followed by various other former British colonies (Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, US, and Canada in that order) and avowedly communist North Korea leading the opposite end of the spectrum by a mile followed by pro-socialist led Zimbabwe and openly communist Cuba.

Going back to your 'loan shark' example; North Korea, Cuba, and Zimbabwe almost certainly have much stricter controls on interest rates and lending practices than Hong Kong or Singapore.