Cypriots are Middle easterner?

[ButlerKing]

Is common to find Cypriots in U.K, I've always considered them as White like Greek, Spanish, Italian type..... but it seems they are more related with the Syrian Arabs, nothing wrong with it just surprised that their European admixture is so small like 13%.


Auteur(s) / Author(s) BAYSAL E. (1) ; INDRAK K. ; BOZKURT G. ; BERKALP A. ; ARITKAN E. ; OLD J. M.
; IOANNOU P. ; ANGASTINIOTIS M. ; DROUSHIOTOU A. ; YÜREGIR G. T. ; HUISMAN T. H. J. ;
Abstract



We have identified the β-thalassaemia alleles in nearly all known Turkish
Cypriot β-thalassaemia homozygotes and in over 700 Greek Cypriot β-
thalassaemia heterozygotes living on the island of Cyprus. The data
confirmed earlier observations that the IVS-I-100 (G→A) mutation is present
for about 74–80%, while three other alleles [IVS-II-745 (C→G), IVS-I-6 (T→
C), IVS-I-1 (G→A)] occur at frequencies of 5–8%. Nearly identical
percentages were observed for the two Cypriot groups, quite different from
those for β-thalassaemia patients from Greece and Turkey. This suggests
close contacts between the two Cypriot communities during many centuries
without a major recent influence from Greek or Turkish β-thalassaemia
carriers.


Revue / Journal Title British journal of haematology ISSN 0007-1048 CODEN BJHEAL Source / Source 1992, vol. 81, no4, pp. 607-609 (1/4 p.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1390250

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However, this can be problematic for some Cypriots considering the division
of the island and political problems enshrouding it. Which community do we
look to, “in Cyprus there are only ever Greeks or Turks” right? So do we
mean Greek or Turkish Cypriots? Not so, one Medical Doctor and Researcher
Dr. Geoffrey Dean claims: “there is little genetic difference between Greek
and Turkish Cypriots.” Historically, he argues that Ottoman soldiers who
took up residence in Cyprus after the Conquest of 1571 were known to take up to four Greek Christian wives and that intermarriage was more common than people think. Pointing to another blood disease, Dr Dean argues that the fact that the Thalessemia gene is prevalent in 16% of all ‘Greek’ and
‘Turkish’ Cypriots is evidence that their blood group is very similar and
quite different to Greeks and Turks. In fact, Dr Dean says: “They are
Cypriots not Greeks or Turks.”


contrast Syrian genetic make-up
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/imagenbgl6.png/
with Cypriot and see how similar they are.

Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Cyprus : J (43.07% including 6.20% J1), E1b1b (20.00%), R1 (12.30% including 9.2% R1b), F (9.20%), I (7.70%), K (4.60%), A (3.10%).[117] J, K, F and E1b1b

They are do not cluster with Greeks or any other Europeans on the genetic map.


Their closest relatives are Syrians, Druze, Jews and Lebanese.

Recent genetic clustering analyses of ethnic groups are consistent with the close ancestral relationship between the Druze and Cypriots, and also identified similarity to the general Syrian and Lebanese populations, as well as a variety of Jewish lineages (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Iraqi, and Moroccan) (Behar et al 2010).[52]

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/410772/a-gene-map-of-europe/

[Incal]

Most of them are Arabo-Euro mutts.

[Maleficent]

Yes, it's true. Cypriots are technically Levantine.

[Hayalet]

Historically, he argues that Ottoman soldiers who took up residence in Cyprus after the Conquest of 1571 were known to take up to four Greek Christian wives
Nonsense.

[Vojnik]

I have seen both Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots and I have noticed that The Turkish Cypriots look more European then the Greeks.

[Virtuous]

and now Haplogroups count because it's not Malta xD,

oh the hypocrisy.


Most of them are Arabo-Euro mutts.

Levantine is Levantine and Arab is Arab, just sayin'.

[Prince Carlo]

and now Haplogroups count because it's not Malta xD,

Haplogroups are a very small part of DNA. Autosomal Dna is what really matters.

[Virtuous]

Haplogroups are a very small part of DNA. Autosomal Dna is what really matters.

Don't you worry. I found autosomal proof, too. Just don't be a lazy levantine and Czech it out on my blog.

[Prince Carlo]

^ Yeah 5 STRs... I guess it makes sense that Germans are closer to Spaniards than to Slovenians.

[Virtuous]

^ Yeah 5 STRs... I guess it makes sense that Germans are closer to Spaniards than to Slovenians.

Hahah, you're an asshole. Are you accusing me that we're cherrypicking people? It's time for you to give me proof that South Italians are more European than us, and don't come with me with this Campanian bullshit. S.Italians are in fact more Levantine than us. Stop trying to take away (due to your strong inferiority complex) what is rightfully ours, which is our European identity.

[Prince Carlo]

Hahah, you're an asshole. Are you accusing me that we're cherrypicking people? It's time for you to give me proof that South Italians are more European than us, and don't come with me with this Campanian bullshit. S.Italians are in fact more Levantine than us. Stop trying to take away (due to your strong inferiority complex) what is rightfully ours, which is our European identity.

ROFL-LMAO??? First of all South Italians are not homogeneus, so stop you with that shit. Campanians are closer to Tuscans than to Sicilians actually according to a recent published peer reviewed study, so STFU. Second what does make you think that you cluster more northern than us, when you are not even connected with mainland Europe?

[Virtuous]

ROFL-LMAO??? First of all South Italians are not homogeneus, so stop you with that shit. Campanians are closer to Tuscans than to Sicilians actually according to a recent published peer reviewed study, so STFU. Second what does make you think that you cluster more northern than us, when you are not even connected with mainland Europe?



I don't give a damn about who's homogenous or not, if Maltese people were homogenous we'd be all Neolithic people. I doubt any Southern Euro (Mediterranean) country is homogenous, anyway.


Y-Dna haplogroups were found at the following frequencies in Calabria : J2 (38.60%), R1 (33.40%), E1b1b (15.80%), G (10.50%), I (1.75%)


Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Malta : R1 (35.55% including 32.2% R1b), J (28.90% including 7.80% J1), I (12.20%), E (11.10% including 8.9% E1b1b), F (6.70%), K (4.40%), P (1.10%)

Just for a comparison ^.


also, Italy overall:

R1b 49%, R1a 2.5%, l1 2.5%, l2a 3%, l2b 1%, J 20%, T 4%, G 7%, E3b 11%.

I'm sorry, due to the high J2 percentage in Italy, Italy is no more European. Please do not come up with separatist bullshit, now (specially because you're S.Italian and you'd be dishonouring yourself :D).

[Incal]

Levantine is Levantine and Arab is Arab, just sayin'.

OK then. Levanto-euro mutts.

[Scholarios]

What's "Middle Eastern"?

You mean a person of Mediterranean phenotype living in the Middle East?

Well, Cyprus is Europe.

[Gospodine]

A lot of Greek Cypriots have recent Christian Lebanese ancestry; i.e. Marcos Baghdatis, Sarbel Michael.

In the 13th century the Maronite community on Cyprus was about 50,000 strong. They speak their own variety of Arabic: Cypriot Maronite Arabic.

[Prince Carlo]

also, Italy overall:

R1b 49%, R1a 2.5%, l1 2.5%, l2a 3%, l2b 1%, J 20%, T 4%, G 7%, E3b 11%.

I'm sorry, due to the high J2 percentage in Italy, Italy is no more European. Please do not come up with separatist bullshit, now (specially because you're S.Italian and you'd be dishonouring yourself :D).

Calabrians are bottlenecked so their haplogroups frequencies do not correlate with their autosomal Dna. The same is true for Maltese people. I am sorry to disappoint you, but Sicilians are more MENA shifted than us and there is no way in this dimension that you cluster more northern than Sicilians. That's that.

[Virtuous]

Calabrians are bottlenecked so their haplogroups frequencies do not correlate with their autosomal Dna. The same is true for Maltese people. I am sorry to disappoint you, but Sicilians are more MENA shifted than us and there is no way in this dimension that you cluster more northern than Sicilians. That's that.

Autosomal DNA proof is there, it is your decision if you want to believe it or not.

[Prince Carlo]

There is no way I gonna take seriously a study with only 5 STRs.

[Virtuous]

There is no way I gonna take seriously a study with only 5 STRs.

The study doesn't say that 5 STR's were made, it says that 5 STR's were picked from the several ones that have been made used to make a comparison.

Stop playing dumb.

[Prince Carlo]

The study doesn't say that 5STR's were made, it says that 5 STR's were picked from the several ones that have been made used to make a comparison.

Stop playing dumb.


Phylogenic tree from analysis of 5 STRs between different populations

There is no contradiction in that. Picked or used are synonymous in this context.

[Virtuous]

There is no contradiction in that. Picked or used are synonymous in this context.

Is it because you say so? Of course it contradicts that you say, it clearly does actually :). It says that 5 STR's were picked from the many. Who would make a research based only on 5 STR's? It is mentioned that several ones have been made, I don't think that 5 means several ones.

One has to be really dumb to believe so.

[Scholarios]

I have seen both Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots and I have noticed that The Turkish Cypriots look more European then the Greeks.

I noticed the opposite, honestly.

But then again, Turkish Cypriots are recent colonists (1980's) from various parts of Anatolia and Thrace, so it might make sense.

Greek Cypriots look Greek for the most part, though there is a Maronite population on the island as well.

http://www.peace-cyprus.org/Festival/costumes.gif

http://hollywood.greekreporter.com/files/2008/04/george-headshot-colour1.jpg

http://mylondondiary.co.uk/2005/07/16/050716_n697.jpg

http://www.jurgita.com/images_new/models/F/other/w422xh450/katerina-melis-201913-171257.jpg

http://imgmt3.starnow.com/85/651885_3524618.jpg

http://www.simpraxis.com/images/p1_stelios-zenieris.jpg

http://christodoulides.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/me-thess-nov11.jpg

http://www.jurgita.com/images_new/models/M/portfolio-fashion/w422xh450/giorgos-solomou-246755-451150.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZhsEFoELYqc/TQbPNtAonhI/AAAAAAAAAlk/UMEgkzdLGp4/s1600/Ada-Nicodemou-12.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3zCpa6WV2z4/SpZP1pMT68I/AAAAAAAAKDQ/1BccvFOYV30/s320/cyprus.jpg


http://imgmt0.starnow.com/24/1281724_1605565.jpg

http://tv.akado.ru/images/data/akadotv/picture/imgbig/404705/Tonia_Buxton_DSC00775_5MBc.jpg

http://www.win7wallpapers.com/walls/miss_cyprus-normal.jpg

Now it's possible that your definition of European is someone who looks like a Ukranian and possesses the cultural characteristics of Danes or Swiss. In that case, Greek Cypriots are not Europeans. But otherwise, they are classical Europeans and defenders or European culture and civilization.

[Prince Carlo]

One has to be really dumb to believe so.

You are arguing semantics. This is typical of people who lack arguments.

[Virtuous]

You are arguing semantics. This is typical of people who lack arguments.

Joseph Capelli is back to strike hours after losing an argument because of no proof or valid points. Bravo.

[Ibericus]

Cypriots on genetic plots are halfway between levantines and Sicilians/Greeks, and close to Sephardic Jews

[Prince Carlo]

Joseph Capelli is back to strike hours after losing an argument because of no proof or valid points. Bravo.

I've a job unlike you. BTW you have not proven anything.

[Virtuous]

I've a job unlike you. BTW you have not proven anything.

I'm a student, plus your grammar makes me believe that you've no education. Neither you have proven anything by the way. I got facts, what do you have?

Neither balls, nor brains. Typical terrone.

[Prince Carlo]

^LoL keep dreaming bro.

[Sikeliot]

as far as the Maltese discussion, Maltese people are going to cluster identically with western Sicilians (Palermo, Agrigento, etc) because that's where they originally come from.. the only exception is the ones clustering more northern due to recent British ancestry.

Anyway, I don't consider Cypriots to be European since they do not genetically cluster in Europe.

[Scholarios]

as far as the Maltese discussion, Maltese people are going to cluster identically with western Sicilians (Palermo, Agrigento, etc) because that's where they originally come from.. the only exception is the ones clustering more northern due to recent British ancestry.

Anyway, I don't consider Cypriots to be European since they do not genetically cluster in Europe.

They do cluster with Greek islanders though.

[Sikeliot]

They do cluster with Greek islanders though.

I've seen Greeks take up a large space on PCA plots which starts near Tuscans and ends near Anatolian Turks. Cypriots are usually off to the side toward the Levant.

[kabeiros]

I've seen Greeks take up a large space on PCA plots which starts near Tuscans and ends near Anatolian Turks. Cypriots are usually off to the side toward the Levant.
Can you post a PCA plot for us to see?

[Linet]

I dont care what anyone thinks...Cypriots are Greeks :love0031:

[Onur]

They do cluster with Greek islanders though.
because Greek islanders are middle-eastern Levant types too.

In fact, Cypriots are Greek islanders too (ofc excl. Turkish Cypriots), it`s an island afterall

[rashka]

A Cypriot friend once told us that they are more like Arabs (in appearance).

[Scholarios]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UCP5T1pduGU/TzpBa9QbK3I/AAAAAAAAEe4/_uWuqnnb1zQ/s1600/1_2.png

[Maleficent]

A Cypriot friend once told us that they are more like Arabs (in appearance).

They probably meant Arabs as in Levantines.

[Onur]

They probably meant Arabs as in Levantines.
Ofc they meant levantines, southern meds.

When people calls Cypriots as middle-easterners, they don't think about Saudi gulf Arabians.

[Prince Carlo]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UCP5T1pduGU/TzpBa9QbK3I/AAAAAAAAEe4/_uWuqnnb1zQ/s1600/1_2.png

It's funny but I can see the internal divisions of Greeks. A personal edit for blind people.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6093/52238215.jpg

[Linet]

What i see is that Greeks are alone :lol:...when the others are one on top of the other :laugh:

[Graus]

What i see is that Greeks are alone :lol:...when the others are one on top of the other :laugh:

Sounds like the story of Cynewalds life...

[Linet]

Sounds like the story of Cynewalds life...

But at least we enjoy it.... :smokin:

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/raccoon/singer-raccoon-emoticon.gif?1302774078

[Ianus]

They have Levantine influences

[daedal1]

They have Levantine influences

Not just 'levantine influences', they are basically greek-speaking levantines.

[Kenshiro]

Is common to find Cypriots in U.K, I've always considered them as White like Greek, Spanish, Italian type..... but it seems they are more related with the Syrian Arabs, nothing wrong with it just surprised that their European admixture is so small like 13%.


Auteur(s) / Author(s) BAYSAL E. (1) ; INDRAK K. ; BOZKURT G. ; BERKALP A. ; ARITKAN E. ; OLD J. M.
; IOANNOU P. ; ANGASTINIOTIS M. ; DROUSHIOTOU A. ; YÜREGIR G. T. ; HUISMAN T. H. J. ;
Abstract




Revue / Journal Title British journal of haematology ISSN 0007-1048 CODEN BJHEAL Source / Source 1992, vol. 81, no4, pp. 607-609 (1/4 p.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1390250

Quote:




contrast Syrian genetic make-up
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/imagenbgl6.png/
with Cypriot and see how similar they are.

Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Cyprus : J (43.07% including 6.20% J1), E1b1b (20.00%), R1 (12.30% including 9.2% R1b), F (9.20%), I (7.70%), K (4.60%), A (3.10%).[117] J, K, F and E1b1b

They are do not cluster with Greeks or any other Europeans on the genetic map.


Their closest relatives are Syrians, Druze, Jews and Lebanese.

Recent genetic clustering analyses of ethnic groups are consistent with the close ancestral relationship between the Druze and Cypriots, and also identified similarity to the general Syrian and Lebanese populations, as well as a variety of Jewish lineages (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Iraqi, and Moroccan) (Behar et al 2010).[52]

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/410772/a-gene-map-of-europe/

Between, they can be modelable like a mix between Ancient Greeks and Phoenicians, in the perfect line of the Eastern mediterraneans, basically i consider them East mediterranean people, they can be modelable also like 56% Lebanese Christian Greek orthodox and 44% Calabria-Campania, they can't be totally Levantine for the Greeks part and not totally European for the Phoenician part, probably Philistines at one point in their history, were more similar to Cypriots