Male vs. Female suicide rates in England

[Cynewald]

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With the advent of feminsm in the 1960s (notice it was stable before that), looks law began (mediocre women having insane standards, only wanting the best looking guys) and ugly/average incel (involuntary celibate) guys have been quietly removing themself from the gene pool due to the inability to get a desirable female and the knowledge thay are genetic undesirables to society. The advent of internet porn and more men going abroad to find a wife in the early 21st century has reduced the male suicide rate a little bit, but my bet is it's on the way up since this graph was produced in 2006.

Love how it increases, its worse than ever for a man on the dating scene.

[The Alchemist]

So many people have lost their souls....plz don't follow them. Me too i was at that point for long time, but now i've found myself, and i can never lose it again...

[Leon_C]

haha I think I might be one of when I am around 60, I don't really want to get married nor have kids so it's not too much of a problem, 60 years is a good amount of time to live I think + I don't want to live to see the UK become a complete shithole if I can help it.

[Mistel]

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With the advent of feminsm in the 1960s (notice it was stable before that), looks law began (mediocre women having insane standards, only wanting the best looking guys) and ugly/average incel (involuntary celibate) guys have been quietly removing themself from the gene pool due to the inability to get a desirable female and the knowledge thay are genetic undesirables to society. The advent of internet porn and more men going abroad to find a wife in the early 21st century has reduced the male suicide rate a little bit, but my bet is it's on the way up since this graph was produced in 2006.

Love how it increases, its worse than ever for a man on the dating scene.

What makes you think mediocre women have very high standards and only want good-looking men? I don't think that is really the case.

[Mistel]

Have you ever thought that maybe it is the men that have too high standards and that that is why they are alone and depressed?

[Leon_C]

^ Nope.

[Graham]

The UK economy declined post-WWII & then the start of the welfare state. Lots of buildings demolished for high rise council estates. Declining industries, mines shut-down for office jobs. Higher male unemployment. Severe inflation, strikes and union power. Maggie Thatcher.

Higher intake of alcohol & hard drugs..

Plenty of reasons.

[Cynewald]

Have you ever thought that maybe it is the men that have too high standards and that that is why they are alone and depressed?

Not at all. I know lots of average looking men that just want average looking girls, but can't get them because average looking girls are holding out for tall handsome men (the hypergamous nature of females).

[Äike]

Male suicide raters are higher all over the world, everywhere. Because the life of women is easier while men have to have a good job, feed their family etc (a lot of responsibilities). Men have to work their way up, while a random uneducated poor woman could just seduce a rich man and live a good life, just by offering sex.

[Mistel]

Not at all. I know lots of average looking men that just want average looking girls, but can't get them because average looking girls are holding out for tall handsome men (hypergamy).

But I don't think it's true. I know average men that want girls who are out of their league and refuse average looking girls. I think it works both ways. Looks are more important to men in finding a partner in general.

[Cynewald]

But I don't think it's true. I know average men that want girls who are out of their league and refuse average looking girls. I think it works both ways. Looks are more important to men in finding a partner in general.

Either your definition of average females is skewered (i.e. they are fat or something...which makes them below average) or the 'hot' girls in your country/community are basically average looking.

[Kazimiera]

Unemployment due to global recession. Retrenchments. Debt. In addition that males have higher suicide rates in general.

Yes. It MUST be the dating scene. How can it not be? I mean, being rejected by a pretty girl is so much worse than losing your income and your home.

[Graham]

Women don't have to face war trauma. Can imagine a few British men would have been demoralised on the front lines. In that way it's easier for women. War Conscription.

[Smaug]

It's because most of engineers are male, and engineers are dead inside :(

[Kazimiera]

Also remember that your graph shows suicide rates by gender and not by age.

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Look at the rates for mid 40's. Male menopause, getting older. And look at the spike after 70.

Although suicides in the 20-35 age group cannot be discounted, the rates for the mid-40's and 65+ is much higher.

Did grandpa knock himself off at the age of 70 because he couldn't get laid by a hot chick whose standards were too high? No, chances are grandpa was depressed for reasons such as being alone after his wife died, was chronically ill and didn't want to be shoved off to a nursing home.

[Mistel]

Either your definition of average females is skewered (i.e. they are fat or something...which makes them below average) or the 'hot' girls in your country/community are basically average looking.

I live in Milan. There are lots of good-looking girls here. I hope you are not one of those average guys, Cynewald :/

[Graham]

Young men are more likely to have mental problems, like schizophrenia.

[AlexandraD]

rising debt, unemployment, rising rates of drug use (heroin and opiate use doubling in a rapid period), prescription of addictive psychoactive drugs doubling, tripling, quadrupling, etc (stimulants like the amphetamine class for ADHD, opiates such as oxycodone, every single known anti-depressant, etc). rising rates of depression and mental health disorders...

you could pick one of these things and make a case for the higher suicide rate. i think you are underestimating men if you think it is simply the dating scene that is causing this :confused:

[Cynewald]

I live in Milan. There are lots of good-looking girls here. I hope you are not one of those average guys, Cynewald :/

I have average looks. Check my profile page.

[Cynewald]

Young men are more likely to have mental problems, like schizophrenia.

And why do you think that is? One of the main reasons has to be women problems and lack of intamcy during a period where mens sex drives/libido is at its strongest. Women in their teens and 20's are getting far more sex than men in that age group. Only Hot men in this age group seem to get it well.

Ugly/average men in this age group relaize they need money and status to even get a sniff at an average looking female. Money and status isn't established until 30's or middle age even. This alone can force many men to top themselves.

[Mary]

And why do you think that is? One of the main reasons has to be women problems and lack of intamcy during a period where mens sex drives/libido is at its strongest. Women in their teens and 20's are getting far more sex than men in that age group. Only Hot men in this age group seem to get it well.

Ugly/average men in this age group relaize they need money and status to even get a sniff at an average looking female. Money and status isn't established until 30's or middle age even. This alone can force many men to top themselves.

Who would they be sleeping with?

[Leon_C]

^ The 20% of "Alpha" males who have sex with many women.

[American_Hispanist]

lol. cynewald.

[Cynewald]

Who would they be sleeping with?

yep the 20% that have male model good looks or those with raw masculinity.

[Grenzland]

I think this statistic is worthless to prove anything related to dating.

There are to much other factors.

[American_Hispanist]

cynewald needs to go to Russia. :D

[Grenzland]

cynewald needs to go to Russia. :D

Why do you think you can buy yourself a girlfriend in Russia?

[Absinthe]

LOL @ the expression "dating scene". :no000000: Sounds an awful lot like teenager slang.

[Grenzland]

yep the 20% that have male model good looks or those with raw masculinity.

So 20% of men get 99% of women?

Damn, why am I not handsome and masculine enough? :D

[American_Hispanist]

Why do you think you can buy yourself a girlfriend in Russia?

Not exactly buy but rather him leaving his country and seeing new girls.

[Mary]

yep the 20% that have male model good looks or those with raw masculinity.

First of all women are not attracted to good looks, men are. You seem to assume that since men like good looks in women then women must like good looks in men. Looks is probably the least important factor in men for a woman.

Second of all, those men can't possibly sleep with all of those women. An attractive man in his early twenties is going to sleep with tops two women on a regular basis. Why is this? Because a) he's going to be taken and b) after he's had sex with his girlfriend he won't have a lot of time or energy left for other girls. He might be able to do one more girl in best case. You're probably projecting what you would do if you were one of these attractive guys that you speak of.

[Mary]

So why don't attractive men sleep around with lots of women?

Assume that the population is distributed like this,



10% Hot

|

80% Average

|

10% Ugly


Human mating is assortative this means that people pair in the following way,



Attractive men - Hot women (top 10%)

Average men - Average women (average 80%)

Ugly men - Ugly women (ugly 10%)



Why is this? Because of similar personality traits,

* Attractive men and hot women have high risk taking
* Ugly men and ugly women have low risk taking

Hence an attractive man (high risk taking) is not going to be attracted to an average or ugly woman (average to low risk taking). And a hot woman (high risk taking) is not going to be attracted to average or ugly men (average to low risk taking).

Why is this? Because there is an evolutionary advantage to mating with people with similar personality traits because this reinforces those traits in the offspring. High risk takers breed high risk taking offspring. And low risk takers breed low risk taking offspring. This makes sense because they are both evolutionary survival strategies. If two people mate across the boundaries (attractive man with ugly woman or hot woman with ugly man) then the evolutionary advantage (high risk strategy and low risk strategy respectively) is lost for both of them.

Q&A,

"I am butthurt that hot women only go with attractive men. I think that hot women should go with losers."

You wouldn't get anything out of it evolutionarily. It's like mixing two different dog breeds.

"I'm a loser and I'm willing to risk it."

A hot woman isn't. It's more beneficial for her to mate with an attractive man. So it's never going to happen for you.

"But what if I'm average and want an average girl?"

Evolutionarily you're better off with an ugly woman because average doesn't give you anything.

"I don't want to accept this."

You're the one who's going to lose out.