Family ties

[alfieb]

Repost of a thread I created on another forum in 2011.



You often hear expressions like "brothers" to refer to an ethnic group you feel a kinship with. Let's explore that here.


1. What is your ethnicity?
2. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your brothers and sisters?
3. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your cousins/kin?




For me,

1. Sicilianu
2. Maltesi, Calabbrìsi, Greci (Maltese, Calabrese, Greeks) [in order of closeness]
3. Taliani, Sardi, Corsi, Spagnoli, Cipriuti, Arbanisi, Rumeni, Lìbbanisi, Assiriani, Armeniani, Tunisìni, Abbràici, Turchi (Italians, Sardinians, Corsicans, Spaniards, Cypriots, Albanians, Romanians, Lebanese, Assyrians, Armenians, Tunisians, Jews, Turks) [in order of closeness]

[Slycooper]

1. Portuguese, Ojibwe, French
2. Spanish, French
3. Italian

[Virtuous]

To whom which we are closest Genetically: Sicilians, Italians, Lebanese.
To whom we are closest Culturally: Sicilians, S.Italians.

[Sikeliot]

For my Sicilian side since it is the one I usually identify with:

Brother and sister groups: Maltese, other southern Italians, and Greeks.

Cousin groups: All other Italians, Sardinians, Cypriots, Lebanese, Assyrians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanians, Albanians, Turks, Tunisians, and Algerians.

[Baldur]

1. swedish
2. none
3. none

[Damião de Góis]

1. Portuguese
2. none
3. Spanish

[Sikeliot]

Oh and in "cousin groups", Jews.

[Smaug]

1)

Well, as most of White New Worlders I am a Eurpean mutt, but I am mostly Scottish+Venetian, so if I have to pick a specific group, it would be that.

2)

-English, Welsh, Irish, French, Italians, Iberians, Dutch, Belgians, Baltics, Scandinavians
-Other White Brazilians
-Other White New Worlders (America, Oceania, Africa)

3)

-Other Caucasian groups of Eurasia
-Other Brazilians
-Othe Latin Americans in general

[AlexandraD]

1. dutch, german, hungarian and japanese

2. austrians, maybe? japanese people discriminate against other east asians (and them in return) so no on there :P

3. no idea :( i feel mostly tied to europe in general, so ...

[Hurrem sultana]

1. dutch, german, hungarian and japanese

2. austrians, maybe? japanese people discriminate against other east asians (and them in return) so no on there :P

3. no idea :( i feel mostly tied to europe in general, so ...

are you japanese?

[Mraz]

1.Bosniak
2.Turks
3.Azeris, Iranians, Pakistanis, Malays, Indonesians.

[Linet]

1.Greece
2. Serbia
3. None
...If i think of anyone else....i will add :chin:
Brother means not the same, but something close so is not enough for some categories :no: .
Cyprus to me is Greece and those of Greek blood are my kin :grouphug: no matter if they are South Italians or in Ukraine...so i still count them as Greece :rose:

[Hurrem sultana]

1.Bosniak
2.Turks
3.Pomaks,Torbesh,Chechen,Circassian,Albanians

[evon]

1 Western Norwegian.

2 Non-Western Norwegians,South and Lule Saami, Icelanders, Faeroese.

3 Swedes, North Saami and to a Lesser degree Danes and Finnish people.

I guess thats about it...But of course we also have historical ties to Scotland, England, and Germany.

[AlexandraD]

are you japanese?

yes :) great grandma was from japan :P

[alfieb]

Danes on the same terms as Finns? You were part of Denmark for like 500 years. :eek:

[evon]

Danes on the same terms as Finns? You were part of Denmark for like 500 years. :eek:

We were ruled from Denmark for about 400 years, damn colonial pigs took away our freedom bit by bit, in the end we were ruled as a colonial province...

Fins and Norwegians have a shared history of being oppressed by the regional super powers, and also by being ruled by Sweden, also many Fins emigrated to Norway during various times in history, both in South and Northern Norway...lastly we gave them allot of aid during their war with Russia, our shared neighbourhood bully :)

[Hurrem sultana]

We were ruled from Denmark for about 400 years, damn colonial pigs took away our freedom bit by bit, in the end we were ruled as a colonial province...

Fins and Norwegians have a shared history of being oppressed by the regional super powers, and also by being ruled by Sweden, also many Fins emigrated to Norway during various times in history, both in South and Northern Norway...lastly we gave them allot of aid during their war with Russia, our shared neighbourhood bully :)

so this is the reason you guys hate Sweden ? you feel inferior compared to them

[Methmatician]

1. Bosniaks
2. Bosniaks
3. Bosniaks

[SkyBurn]

1) Ashkenazi Jewish
2) Ummmmm
3) Aborigines?

[aimar]

portuguese
none
none

[BiałaZemsta]

Polish, Ukrainian
All West and East Slavs
South Slavs (except for Bosnia)

[alfieb]

Polish, Ukrainian
All West and East Slavs
South Slavs (except for Bosnia)

What about Bosnian Catholics?

[evon]

so this is the reason you guys hate Sweden ? you feel inferior compared to them

No, we dont have any feelings of inferiority (We have had Swedes and Danes immigrate to Norway for a long time now, so why should we feel inferior to them?), and we dont hate them, those feelings belong to history, same with Denmark of course, but we recognise their colonialism (Denmark was by far the biggest of the two with South Asian, African and Caribbean possessions).

[alfieb]

Worse than that, they had Estonia as a colony. :puke

I believe that's the origin of the Dannebrog, but I could be wrong.

[Lithium]

I am Bulgarian, I feel related mostly to South Slavs, then East and West Slavs. I am somewhat related to the rest of Europeans (especially other peoples from the Balkans)

[Albion]

Repost of a thread I created on another forum in 2011.



You often hear expressions like "brothers" to refer to an ethnic group you feel a kinship with. Let's explore that here.


1. What is your ethnicity?
2. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your brothers and sisters?
3. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your cousins/kin?




1. English
2. British Islanders (English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Cornish, Northern Irish, Manx) + Colonial British (Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians and Americans of British descent or at least mostly).
3. Germanics + North French.

[Queen B]

1.Greek
2.Italians, Cypriots
3.None

[Twistedmind]

What about Bosnian Catholics?

They are Croats (15%). Bosnian Orthodox are Serbs (36%)

[Szegedist]

Repost of a thread I created on another forum in 2011.



You often hear expressions like "brothers" to refer to an ethnic group you feel a kinship with. Let's explore that here.


1. What is your ethnicity?
2. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your brothers and sisters?
3. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your cousins/kin?



1) Hungarian
2) Poles
3) Turanic people (Turks, Uyghurs, etc, however these have a possibility to move to number 2, depending on how the future turns out)

[Jackson]

Similar to what Albion said.

1) English
2) British Isles & Colonial English speaking world (USA, parts of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc)
3) Other Germanic speaking countries with whom we have history. The Dutch are probably the closest of these though. It's funny as well that during the holiday period the entirety of the Netherlands must empty itself and go to mountainous or hilly areas in Europe and the British Isles. Literally during these times, as soon as you start getting to elevated areas you start seeing lots of Dutch cars. xD

In reality some of these cross the borders between the two, and i'd also include a fourth category as well and include France, although it could partially be included in the third category - Brittany and Normandy in particular.

[bladieblah]

This is a very interesting question.

1. I am a quarter Swedish, a quarter Spanish, a quarter Moroccan (but Berber Moroccan) and a quarter north Indian (but the Guyanese type who moved to the west Indies) so I am extremely mixed.
2. I was born in Sweden but raised in England, so I can still speak Swedish fluently without an accent and I am very close to my grandmother (who is a Swede) and to the Swedish part of my family. In terms of other Swedish people I am not related to, I don't really feel that close to them to be honest, I like them but we don't look anything alike so I wouldn't really view them as my 'brothers'. I might get stick for this but I will be honest, I do feel an affinity if I hear a person has Moroccan/middle eastern/Berber in them too, even though I don't have contact with that side of my family. And I think they probably feel a bit of an affinity towards me too because we are of a similar background. As for the Indian/Guyanese side, when I hear someone is Indian/Guyanese I feel like I can relate to them too, though I do not look Indian.
3. Maybe my Spanish side, because my father is the one who is half Spanish, so I don't have contact with him or my family, so I don't know that much about that part of my heritage or which part of Spain his mother originates from.

[Lemon Kush]

1. Bulgarian
2. Americans
3. Other South Slavs (Croats, Serbs, Macedonians, Slovenians, etc....)

[Vesuvian Sky]

1. Magna-Grecian (s. Italian)
2. Greeks, and all other Italians and associated Islands, Maltese
3. Macedonians (they have Hellenic background and more of a Balkan-Med. category...I share genetic traits with them and felt very comfortable when I visited there)

[Albion]

Similar to what Albion said.

1) English
2) British Isles & Colonial English speaking world (USA, parts of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc)
3) Other Germanic speaking countries with whom we have history. The Dutch are probably the closest of these though. It's funny as well that during the holiday period the entirety of the Netherlands must empty itself and go to mountainous or hilly areas in Europe and the British Isles. Literally during these times, as soon as you start getting to elevated areas you start seeing lots of Dutch cars. xD

In reality some of these cross the borders between the two, and i'd also include a fourth category as well and include France, although it could partially be included in the third category - Brittany and Normandy in particular.

There's a bit of a Dutch minority around here. They seem to be retired Dutch with quite a bit of money (Middle class-ish) and they buy up nice rural properties, usually something mock-Tudor. Maybe house prices are more expensive in NL. I've found them to be very nice though.

[Dengizik]

1) Turk
2) other Turkic peoples
3) Hungarians, Bosniaks

[Azalea]

1. Turks (and the rest of the Turkics)
2. Bosniaks
3. West Asian peoples

[Tarja]

1. Scottish.
2. Other Brits.
3. Colonial English speakers, Germanics. Countries we have significant history with.

[Veneda]

1. Polish
2. All Slavs + Hungarians
3. All Slavs

[Corvus]

1. Lower Austrians+Carinthians
2. other Austrians+Germans+Czechs
3. other Slavs except Russians+Hungarians+Italians+Romanians (yes honestly)

[Szegedist]

1. Lower Austrians+Carinthians
2. other Austrians+Germans+Czechs
3. other Slavs except Russians+Hungarians+Italians+Romanians (yes honestly)

I don't understand what you mean by no 3, other Slavs except Russians+Hungarians+Italians+Romanians? Since when are Hungarians, Romanians and Italians Slavs?

[alfieb]

I don't understand what you mean by no 3, other Slavs except Russians+Hungarians+Italians+Romanians? Since when are Hungarians, Romanians and Italians Slavs?

You misread.

"Other Slavs except Russians" is one part. The rest unrelated.

[Corvus]

I don't understand what you mean by no 3, other Slavs except Russians+Hungarians+Italians+Romanians? Since when are Hungarians, Romanians and Italians Slavs?

They are all seperate ofc, but we share a common history and have similar mentality, I would divide further, but only 3 categories are possible so this remains so.
+=and

[Il Principe]

My "family ties", on a genetic level, would probably be:

1) Swedes and other Scandinavians
2) Germanics as a whole
3) Western Europeans

[Partizan]

1.Turkish from Anatolia, Southern Caucasus and Balkans.

2.Other Turkic people, Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyzes, Tatars, Turkmens, Chuvashes, Gagauzes etc.

3.Hungarians.

[Pallantides]

1. Eastern Norwegian
2. rest of the Norwegians and Western/Central Swedes
3. South Swedes, North Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Finns and Saami

[Accountant]

1. Finn (1 German grandparent)
2. Estonians (the retarded little brother who gets constantly bullied :D)
3. Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Germans, Saami people

[evon]

1. Eastern Norwegian
2. rest of the Norwegians and Western/Central Swedes
3. South Swedes, North Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Finns and Saami

You feel that close to Sweden :eek: Must be an Eastern thing, i usually kid by calling you guys back-up swedes though...

[Mans not hot]

1. Polish
2. Belarusians and Ukrainians
3. Slovaks, Czechs and East Germans

[Twistedmind]

1) Serbs
2) Other Slavs and other Orthodox peoples. (cough Bulgarians included, they are both :D)
3) Ehm none. :D

[Sultan Suleiman]

1.Bosniak
2.Other south Slavic tribes
3.Greater Slavic family.

[Illancha]

I am Chechen.

I think it's fair to say that every Chechen will agree that Ingush, Kisti and Batsi are our brothers. We refer to this group as Waynakh (often transliterated as Vainakh; literally means 'our people'). Ethnically speaking we are descended from the same ancestors, languages are mutually intelligible (with a trained ear) and almost non-existent differences culturally.

As for cousins, I feel comfortable calling Circassians, Georgians and some Dagestanis my cousins. Although there is no ethnic connection between us.

Going further still, I would call Ossetians, Azeris and Armenians my second cousins, perhaps even some Cossacks. Same again, there is no ethnic connection here either and I do admit that's really stretching it.

[Anglojew]

1. My English-side

2. Dutch, Danish

3. Germans, French, Irish, Scottish, Swedes, Norwegians, Bretons

1. My Jewish-side

2. Kurds, Samaritans, Palestinians

3. Greeks, Lebanese, Syrians, Italians

[Albion]

1. Eastern Norwegian
2. rest of the Norwegians and Western/Central Swedes
3. South Swedes, North Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Finns and Saami

Why divide the Swedish? Are the southerners really that different from northerners? It looks quite homogeneous to an outsider like me. What are you basing it on? Svear Vs Geats + Danes or the Swedish colonization of "Lappland" and ensuing "pioneer spirit"?

[Jackson]

Why divide the Swedish? Are the southerners really that different from northerners? It looks quite homogeneous to an outsider like me. What are you basing it on? Svear Vs Geats + Danes or the Swedish colonization of "Lappland" and ensuing "pioneer spirit"?

Genetically the southerners and northerners seem somewhat distinct from each other.

Apologies for answering as it is not addressed at me, impulse.

[alfieb]

Tell a Scanian that he's no different from someone from Bothnia.

[Pallantides]

Culturally us East Norwegians are closer to West/Central Swedes than other regions, we have had much contact with them through out history, from border shifting to trade and immigration.

[Hurrem sultana]

Tell a Scanian that he's no different from someone from Bothnia.

I dont see anything like that,i live in Scania.Maybe among older people,but young people are just "swedes"

[Sikeliot]

From my Portuguese side I feel close to all Portuguese speakers, the Spanish, and the rest of Atlantic Europe.

[alfieb]

I dont see anything like that,i live in Scania.Maybe among older people,but young people are just "swedes"

Really? On ABF, I remember there talking to a few Scanians who said that a lot of people our age still identify as Danes or Scanians alone and do not see themselves as Swedes.

[Hurrem sultana]

Really? On ABF, I remember there talking to a few Scanians who said that a lot of people our age still identify as Danes or Scanians alone and do not see themselves as Swedes.

Never met anyone that identified as danish

scanian you can be together with swedish

[Pallantides]

Maybe the regionalism is still stronger here in Norway compared to Sweden.

[bella1407]

Russian,Polish,Ukrainian
East Slavs and Serbs
Balkan people(except Muslims)

[Baldur]

Never met anyone that identified as danish

scanian you can be together with swedish

I know a few scanians who rather would be under danish rule then swedish.
Also many swedes calls us danish or north german specially during sportmatches where you more often see the scanian flag then the swedish one down here. But ofcourse its not the same regional patriotism as seen in Catalonya in Spain.
http://www.mff.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/~/media/MFF_2012/GAMLA_FORMATET/Bilder%202009/Matchbilder/2009-07-20_MFF-HBK/Klacken.ashx?w=518&h=260&as=1

[alfieb]

But Barça fans in Spain who wave the flag of Catalunya are likely secessionist. What are your brethren?

[Baldur]

But Barça fans in Spain who wave the flag of Catalunya are likely secessionist. What are your brethren?

I didnt mean the fans of Barca i meant the people of Catalonya many of them actually do want to become a real independent country, in Scania almost nobody wants that because there is no reason for it as we are as swedish as every else in Sweden. It's just something to be extra proud about that we are not like everyone else.

[amerinese]

1. White Americans from The South
2. Other Anglo-Americans
3. Asians (East, South, or Central) who speak English

[Albion]

Genetically the southerners and northerners seem somewhat distinct from each other.

Apologies for answering as it is not addressed at me, impulse.

In real life people don't divide themselves based on genetics.


Tell a Scanian that he's no different from someone from Bothnia.

That's because Scania was originally Danish.

[Ants]

1. Estonian

2. Baltic Finns

3. -

[Jackson]

In real life people don't divide themselves based on genetics.



Yes i know. It just seemed like relevant information that happened to be in the front of my mind, so i posted it. :P

[StonyArabia]

1. What is your ethnicity?

Circassian/Syrian Desert Bedouin.


2. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your brothers and sisters?

Chechens, Bosnians, Tatars, and Anatolian Turks, as well most of Southern Semitic people



3. What groups do you feel comfortable referring to as your cousins/kin?

North Africans

[Mazik]

1. North Swede with some Saami.

2. South/Central Swedes, Norwegians.
3. Finns, Danes.

[Tico4]

1. Costs Rican/Cuban
2. Puerto Rican, Venezuelan
3. All other Spanish speaking countries