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bladieblah
01-25-2013, 03:47 PM
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3118/2925373180_6865d45582_o.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hB5jIq3Xgwk/S38F1RP-neI/AAAAAAAAB_k/BWNJBcYf7gs/s1600/mustafa-kemal-ataturk.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UtMuq30_Xgg/TI6TH_QsUBI/AAAAAAAAADc/Jffmo5RkBfk/s1600/Kemal+Ataturk+CIV340.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ulqKCOKHL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img371/1448/ata668am.jpg

http://www.totalwar-turkiye.com/wp-content/uploads/ataturk01.jpg

Despite his light hair and eyes, he looks pretty Turkish to me, his facial features/bone structure/eye shape are pretty typical of many Turkish people I have known.

aherne
01-25-2013, 07:30 PM
Pigmentation aside, he looks Anatolian, but he can easily pass in Balkans (especially Greece).

Hurrem sultana
01-25-2013, 07:31 PM
He cant pass in Bosnia for sure,but he does have a "croatian look" to me in the last pic


might sound weird,i have seen many croatian men in his age look like that

Azalea
01-25-2013, 07:33 PM
He can not pass in Bosnia? Interesting.

Hurrem sultana
01-25-2013, 07:34 PM
He can not pass in Bosnia? Interesting.

not that he is dark or something,his facial features are not common at all

Azalea
01-25-2013, 07:35 PM
Hmmkey.

OT: He could have passed for Dutch.

Onur
01-25-2013, 11:04 PM
Pigmentation aside, he looks Anatolian, but he can easily pass in Balkans (especially Greece).
You should rephrase that sentence with "Turkish" because Ataturk`s ancestors had no relation with Anatolia. They were from Kocacik village, Debre-Macedonia and they were living there for centuries. There is no such a thing as "Anatolian" ethnic group either.

But yes, ignore his blondism, Ataturk`s facial features are typical Turkish. He is alpine too, which is the most common phenotype among Turkish people. He is a typical Balkan Turk as you can find many Balkan Turks looks like him. My father and almost all the men in my family looks like him too.

aherne
01-26-2013, 07:21 AM
You should rephrase that sentence with "Turkish" because Ataturk`s ancestors had no relation with Anatolia. They were from Kocacik village, Debre-Macedonia and they were living there for centuries.

In which case, if he had no relation to Anatolia, you prove others' point he's just a Turkicized local:) But he looked neither Bulgarian, nor Albanian (that place's locals). Very untypical for any of these. If anything, outside Turkish, he looked Greek...

And Turks are a great mixture of elements: according to genetics 80% of their ancestry is native Anatolian, 5% European and 15% Turkish. This guy is simply Anatolian, descendant of Turkish colonists sent to Macedonia to Islamize and "stabilize" the region.

Sisak
01-26-2013, 07:38 AM
He cant pass in Bosnia for sure,but he does have a "croatian look" to me in the last pic


might sound weird,i have seen many croatian men in his age look like that

Yes, he can pass as Croatian. He looks similar to my father in old ages.

aherne
01-26-2013, 07:48 AM
His parents:
http://www.renkliweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ataturk-zubeyde-hanim.jpg
Mother is Alpine with slight Turanid vibe. Father is Alpine mixed with something else.

His sister (Alpine mixed with a bit of Turanid):
http://www.postaciniz.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atakizka.png

Just normal Turks. They can pass as typical brunet Romanians.

Kevork
01-26-2013, 07:51 AM
He looks Greek.

Onur
01-26-2013, 10:57 AM
In which case, if he had no relation to Anatolia, you prove others' point he's just a Turkicized local:)
Maybe you forgot but Turks had an empire `till 1922, effectively ruling in 3 different continents, millions of km2 territories, including your Romania. So, Turkish people doesn't automatically become "turkicized locals" if they are living outside of current borders of the Turkish republic.


If anything, outside Turkish, he looked Greek...
We can even claim that he looks German, Austrian, Hungarian, Russian, but the last thing he can be is Greek.

If there are Greeks who looks like Ataturk, then that means they are not Greeks but hellenized ones.



And Turks are a great mixture of elements: according to genetics 80% of their ancestry is native Anatolian, 5% European and 15% Turkish. This guy is simply Anatolian, descendant of Turkish colonists sent to Macedonia to Islamize and "stabilize" the region.
About 33% of total population of Turkey are from Balkans. If we exclude 15 million Kurds, then we can say that about half of Turks in Turkey have roots from Balkans.

They gone there in very early times, like late 14th century, 15th century. They were mostly pure Turkmens back then, without any "local Anatolian" mixture.

They migrated to Anatolia between 1850-1923. So, these people cannot possibly have the so-called "80% native Anatolian ancestry". This is bullshit.

Hurrem sultana
01-26-2013, 11:05 AM
http://www.renkliweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ataturk-zubeyde-hanim.jpg

My grandmother looked like she

aherne
01-26-2013, 03:52 PM
Maybe you forgot but Turks had an empire `till 1922, effectively ruling in 3 different continents, millions of km2 territories, including your Romania. So, Turkish people doesn't automatically become "turkicized locals" if they are living outside of current borders of the Turkish republic.


We can even claim that he looks German, Austrian, Hungarian, Russian, but the last thing he can be is Greek.

If there are Greeks who looks like Ataturk, then that means they are not Greeks but hellenized ones.



About 33% of total population of Turkey are from Balkans. If we exclude 15 million Kurds, then we can say that about half of Turks in Turkey have roots from Balkans.

They gone there in very early times, like late 14th century, 15th century. They were mostly pure Turkmens back then, without any "local Anatolian" mixture.

They migrated to Anatolia between 1850-1923. So, these people cannot possibly have the so-called "80% native Anatolian ancestry". This is bullshit.

You gotta be kidding.
1. If you check estimates over Ottoman statistics, Turks were a minority in Balkans everywhere except the Black Sea regions.
2. Resettlement affected largely Muslim population of modern Greece, which was about half-Greek (from Crete), half-Turk (from Macedonia).
Not even 5% of Turks can be of European origin and that shows in their phenotype.

Colonists to Balkans came from Anatolia and were already heavily mixed. Even if we accept your date, it's a time span of hundreds of years since they were already in Anatolia and mixing with Greek-speaking natives. By that time, Turanid was reduced to an influence, as it is today.

Here is the genetic composition of Turkish people, which even by a first glance shows how mixed they are:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png

Ianus
11-01-2013, 08:34 PM
Alpine

Mikula
11-01-2013, 10:23 PM
I have a heretic question:
Do you think that my maternal grandpa (pure Czech from Moravia) looked like him, a bit?
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Smeagol
11-01-2013, 10:34 PM
Turanid/Alpinid with Taurid, and Baltid influences.

MfA_
11-10-2013, 12:08 AM
http://abload.de/img/bq5nyn5cmaaejt0i2b6d.jpg

Sisak
11-10-2013, 05:59 PM
He cant pass in Bosnia for sure,but he does have a "croatian look" to me in the last pic


might sound weird,i have seen many croatian men in his age look like that

I agree, basically, that he has a Croatian look (for example, Croatian actor Ivo Gregurevic looks very similar). Such phenotypes can be found in Croatia, but as atypical, because the average Croatian phenotype does not exist, we have different phenotypes.

teodor11
11-29-2016, 04:32 PM
Slavic mix Turanid/Anatolid

Karlangas
11-29-2016, 04:49 PM
Turanid + Balkans Borreby

Newsboy
11-29-2016, 06:25 PM
Looks Balkan

Amud
11-29-2016, 06:26 PM
Some sort of Nordic-UP-Mongoloid type. Looks Eastern European or Finnish, even Scandinavian.