Guess Albion's Y haplogroup

[Albion]

My results are due back at the end of February, what haplogroup do you reckon I'll be?

[Smaug]

J, you Arab!

[Lábaru]

R1b.

[Tropico]

Either R1b or if you're lucky E1b1b1a2. ;)

[Albion]

R1b.

Seems most likely. What subclade?

[safinator]

N1c1

[Jackson]

Statistically, probably R1b-P312 (most likely R1b-L21), or perhaps R1b-U106. Although i'm going to push the boat out and say you might be I1 or I2. Would be cool to be the I2-Isles variety IMO.

Do you know much about your paternal line, where it comes from?

[Damião de Góis]

R1b-L21

http://bsecher.pagesperso-orange.fr/genetique/Haplogroup-R1b-L21.gif

[Albion]

Statistically, probably R1b-P312 (most likely R1b-L21), or perhaps R1b-U106. Although i'm going to push the boat out and say you might be I1 or I2. Would be cool to be the I2-Isles variety IMO.

Do you know much about your paternal line, where it comes from?

Well we've been pretty much in this same part of the world since the 1500s at least (I can't trace it any further), but the surname points to the far south east of England.
I suspect that my paternal side arrived with either the Belgae or Anglo-Saxons.

[Albion]

R1b-L21

http://bsecher.pagesperso-orange.fr/genetique/Haplogroup-R1b-L21.gif

That'd be a cool result if I wasn't British. :D Because I'am it would be boring.

[Jackson]

Well we've been pretty much in this same part of the world since the 1500s at least (I can't trace it any further), but the surname points to the far south east of England.
I suspect that my paternal side arrived with either the Belgae or Anglo-Saxons.

I'm going to go with R1b-U106 then, as an educated guess. Seems they arrived with both, less so with the Belgae, more so with the Anglo-Saxons. :)
R1b-U152 is a fair possibility too i suppose, or I1.

[Damião de Góis]

That'd be a cool result if I wasn't British. :D Because I'am it would be boring.

Yes i understand, i got the most common one for my region too. Some patterns are difficult to avoid :p

[Mans not hot]

ABINO123YOUROCK!!!!

[Atlantic Islander]

You're English and Irish? I'm guessing R1b1b2a1a2f2 or R1b1b2a1a1.

[Twistedmind]

I2a2b :D

[Lábaru]

Seems most likely. What subclade?

North subclade of course.

[Artek]

R1b-U106 or R-L21. The next guess is I1

[Prince Carlo]

I1/I2b.

[Graham]

U106. Like Treffie & Pallantides.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/group.php?groupid=146

[Sunphq]

A1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6293333.stm

[Virtuous]

Alien.

[Graham]

Alien.

Haplogroup Q then?

[Jackson]

A1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6293333.stm

That would be interesting, lol.

[Graham]

Genuinely thought he meant A1, as in the road, for a joke. Never looked at the link.

[Jackson]

Genuinely thought he meant A1, as in the road, for a joke. Never looked at the link.

Haha. :D

[Albion]

A1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6293333.stm

Interesting, but the media sensationalizes these haplogroups that are extremely rare though. Most of the Africans in Britain were apparently sent to Sierra Leone, I guess these ones must have intermarried early or stayed put somehow. It'd be interesting to see what the actual descendants look like now though, they probably have very few non-European features if any.


Haplogroup Q then?

I'm not a Finnic in denial.


That would be interesting, lol.

No it wouldn't.

[Pallantides]

I'm not a Finnic in denial.
:confused:

Finnic people have very low frequencies of Y-DNA Q:
http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-Q%20Eupedia.gif

[Jackson]

No it wouldn't.

Why not? Didn't say you'd have to like it, but it would be interesting. Plus it's not at all likely anyway.

[Pallantides]

Anyway if a Brit come back as Q, I'd take that as a guarantee that he most likely have Viking ancestors... unless you'd rather believe it come from Inuits or Native Americans.:p

[Graham]

Pallantides loves the Q, you'd be his best friend with that.

[Pallantides]

No, I'd just be envious, if he turned out a Q and I'm just an inferior R1b:(

[Jackson]

No, I'd just be envious, if he turned out a Q and I'm just an inferior R1b:(

Looking at Q distribution - I guess you must have Q ancestors somewhere along the line. Although not the same Q being your on y-haplogroup really.

[Pallantides]

I have yet to test my maternal uncles Y-DNA, but i'm scared if that side turn out R1b as well:D

[Jackson]

I have yet to test my maternal uncles Y-DNA, but i'm scared if that side turn out R1b as well:D

He might be the Q hiding in the woodwork. :P

[Albion]

:confused:

Finnic people have very low frequencies of Y-DNA Q:
http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-Q%20Eupedia.gif

I confused it with N1 for a moment there, my mistake. Q would be interesting but would raise a lot of questions. :embarrassed

[Albion]

I got my haplogroup result a few days ago, I just wanted to see what you guys would guess. :D I should have added a poll really. It was a surprise to me, I thought I'd get R1b-L21 myself.
I was originally going for just the 12 marker but upgraded it since everyone says 12 marker alone is crap. My result is R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106, beyond that I don't know anything about it.

R1b-U106 is pretty Germanic though, so probably Anglo-Saxon or Belgae. My aDNA results are due at the end of February, it'll be interesting to see what they look like with the mixture of English and Irish ancestry. I'll probably cluster with Boston. :picard1: ;)

So R1b is quite a boring result, but the subclade is quite interesting.

[Graham]

Guessed right.. :)

[Pallantides]

Welcome to inferiordom, at least R1b-U06 is not as inferior as other R1b subclades though... I mean; I'm one after all :D :D :P

[Albion]

Guessed right.. :)

A part of me wanted to be RS28, a Gaul or Roman. This might actually be a Belgae marker thinking about it, U106 may have spread into formerly Belgic areas with Germanics.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S28.gif

[Jackson]

I got my haplogroup result a few days ago, I just wanted to see what you guys would guess. :D I should have added a poll really. It was a surprise to me, I thought I'd get R1b-L21 myself.
I was originally going for just the 12 marker but upgraded it since everyone says 12 marker alone is crap. My result is R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106, beyond that I don't know anything about it.

R1b-U106 is pretty Germanic though, so probably Anglo-Saxon or Belgae. My aDNA results are due at the end of February, it'll be interesting to see what they look like with the mixture of English and Irish ancestry. I'll probably cluster with Boston. :picard1: ;)

So R1b is quite a boring result, but the subclade is quite interesting.

YES!

It could be R1b-U198, possibly? That is much less common but has an even more Germanic/Anglian distribution than R1b-U106.

[Albion]

Welcome to inferiordom, at least R1b-U06 is not as inferior as other R1b subclades though... I mean; I'm one after all :D :D :P

U106 is for conquerors and invaders, L21 is for Britons. ;)

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif

[Graham]

R1b1a2a1a1a4 is R-L48?

[Jackson]

I got my haplogroup result a few days ago, I just wanted to see what you guys would guess. :D I should have added a poll really. It was a surprise to me, I thought I'd get R1b-L21 myself.
I was originally going for just the 12 marker but upgraded it since everyone says 12 marker alone is crap. My result is R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106, beyond that I don't know anything about it.

R1b-U106 is pretty Germanic though, so probably Anglo-Saxon or Belgae. My aDNA results are due at the end of February, it'll be interesting to see what they look like with the mixture of English and Irish ancestry. I'll probably cluster with Boston. :picard1: ;)

So R1b is quite a boring result, but the subclade is quite interesting.

Yes it will be good to see your autosomal. You should be able to upload it all to GEDmatch and play around with the tools. Will be good to have yet another British Isles person to compare with as well. :)

[Jackson]

U106 is for conquerors and invaders, L21 is for Britons. ;)

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif

Whether it spread with the Belgae or not is an interesting idea. Some say that it seems to have been 'bottled up' east of the Elbe until the time in the centuries before the Germanic ethnogenesis, and then spread westwards and northwards. If this is not the case, it seems likely it was a minority haplogroup among the Belgae, perhaps equivalent how R1b-U152 is a minority group in many R1b-U106 dominated areas. Although R1b-U152 seems to mirror the Belgae best, at least in southern Britain, substantially more common in ex-Belgae areas south of the Thames than anywhere else.

[Albion]

YES!

It could be R1b-U198, possibly? That is much less common but has an even more Germanic/Anglian distribution than R1b-U106.

I don't know, according to the Eupedia page on R1b it looks separate.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6982/captureezfy.png

[Jackson]

I don't know, according to the Eupedia page on R1b it looks separate.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6982/captureezfy.png

I think you are right. I think i confused it's position on the tree, but U198 mirrors U106, and has a tighter distribution.

I think i read some things about your subclade on another forum, i'll have a look for it.

Edit: Graham is right indeed, it is L48+.

[Jackson]

This might be interesting for you. I guess you will have to get used to windmills and a distinct lack of hills for the most part. ;)

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[Albion]

I think you are right. I think i confused it's position on the tree, but U198 mirrors U106, and has a tighter distribution.

I think i read some things about your subclade on another forum, i'll have a look for it.

Edit: Graham is right indeed, it is L48+.

I don't really understand the naming conventions, because it has a 4 on the end it's L48+ instead of U106? :confused:

[Jackson]

I don't really understand the naming conventions, because it has a 4 on the end it's L48+ instead of U106? :confused:

I think it's another major group just slightly on from R1b-U106, otherwise you would be R1b-U106* i believe. It's been a while since i've followed information on it though, so i'm not sure entirely. Now that more people are testing i think a lot less people just get assigned to plain R1b-U106 i think, as lots are in smaller groups with further mutations. The same with R1b-L21.

So it's R1b-U106, but a group within R1b-U106, i think.

[Graham]

From what I've seen so far, it's mainly linked to Frisia.

[Annihilus]

nvm, I see you got your results already. Congratz!

[Ibericus]

you have about 60-70% chance of being R1b, and 14% of I1 but you never know

[Albion]

From what I've seen so far, it's mainly linked to Frisia.

Ah, Albion the Frisian. I like that. :D

[Jackson]

Ah, Albion the Frisian. I like that. :D

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[Atlantic Islander]

I got my haplogroup result a few days ago, I just wanted to see what you guys would guess. :D I should have added a poll really. It was a surprise to me, I thought I'd get R1b-L21 myself.
I was originally going for just the 12 marker but upgraded it since everyone says 12 marker alone is crap. My result is R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106, beyond that I don't know anything about it.

R1b-U106 is pretty Germanic though, so probably Anglo-Saxon or Belgae. My aDNA results are due at the end of February, it'll be interesting to see what they look like with the mixture of English and Irish ancestry. I'll probably cluster with Boston. :picard1: ;)

So R1b is quite a boring result, but the subclade is quite interesting.

Blast, I was off by an a4. :D

[Albion]

The distribution is interesting, especially in Europe and also the apparent absence from Australia and NZ. :confused:

World:

http://a.yfrog.com/img832/3989/sexactmatchesmapworld.png
Very NW Euro

Europe:

http://a.yfrog.com/img5/4380/sexactmatchesmapeurope.png
Germanic with a few outliers. Mainly British Isles and Low Countries. The outlier in Azores may be from Flemish migration to there.

North America:

http://a.yfrog.com/img819/5329/sexactmatchesmapna.png
Old stock Americans? :confused: None from predominantly English Utah, very strange indeed. Maybe my subclade is rare.

There were no exact matches with my surname (it's a locational surname, so I guess it's not too surprising).

[Graham]

Wales looks a bit empty on that map. Could be the lack of people from there.

[Bridie]

The distribution is interesting, especially in Europe and also the apparent absence from Australia and NZ. :confused:



I guess there weren't many Anglo-Saxon descendants amongst the convicts. :P

[Albion]

Wales looks a bit empty on that map. Could be the lack of people from there.

Lack of Germanics.


I guess there weren't many Anglo-Saxon descendants amongst the convicts. :P

Good point. Still doesn't explain Utah and NZ though, strange distribution in the new world.

[Graham]

Aussies have better things to do, than DNA tests.

Like Barbecues, surfing & visiting Uluru for daily prayers.

[Albion]

Aussies have better things to do, than DNA tests.

Like Barbecues, surfing & visiting Uluru for daily prayers.

Probably more to do with only getting about three potential results - Irish, English or Hiberno-English. :D

[Bridie]

Good point. Still doesn't explain Utah and NZ though, strange distribution in the new world.

I was joking, silly! :p

I would say that Graham must be right... not many Aussies nor Kiwis are included in these results.

It is true to say though, regarding colonialism in both Australia and New Zealand; the Irish, Welsh, Cornish and Scottish were over-represented when compared with the English. I'm not sure how much of an impact this could have though.

(Btw, most people don't know, but New Zealand received its fair share on British convicts too : http://www.penguin.com.au/products/9780143567646/convicts-new-zealands-hidden-criminal-past Degenerate bastards!!! :D )

[Partizan]

J2. No trolling, I just think you might be an interesting result of mixture during Roman era. After Loki ending up as a He3bollah(Thanks Manolo! :D), I may except everything...

BTW, any guesses here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69806)?

[Albion]

J2. No trolling, I just think you might be an interesting result of mixture during Roman era. After Loki ending up as a He3bollah(Thanks Manolo! :D), I may except everything...

BTW, any guesses here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69806)?

Haha, you wish. I've already posted my result after a few people had guessed. Turns out I'm R1b L48 - a type associated with the Low countries and England.
I haven't got my aDNA back yet, there may be a few surprises in that. My uber-Germanic subclade is going to be offset by lots of Celtic aDNA I expect.


I got my haplogroup result a few days ago, I just wanted to see what you guys would guess. :D I should have added a poll really. It was a surprise to me, I thought I'd get R1b-L21 myself.
I was originally going for just the 12 marker but upgraded it since everyone says 12 marker alone is crap. My result is R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106, beyond that I don't know anything about it.

R1b-U106 is pretty Germanic though, so probably Anglo-Saxon or Belgae. My aDNA results are due at the end of February, it'll be interesting to see what they look like with the mixture of English and Irish ancestry. I'll probably cluster with Boston. :picard1: ;)

So R1b is quite a boring result, but the subclade is quite interesting.

[Albion]

I was joking, silly! :p

I would say that Graham must be right... not many Aussies nor Kiwis are included in these results.

It is true to say though, regarding colonialism in both Australia and New Zealand; the Irish, Welsh, Cornish and Scottish were over-represented when compared with the English. I'm not sure how much of an impact this could have though.

(Btw, most people don't know, but New Zealand received its fair share on British convicts too : http://www.penguin.com.au/products/9780143567646/convicts-new-zealands-hidden-criminal-past Degenerate bastards!!! :D )

I think the English must still have made up around 40% though. My subclade seems to be rare even in England and the Low Countries (it's less than 5% of the population), so that might be why.

[Jackson]

Haha, you wish. I've already posted my result after a few people had guessed. Turns out I'm R1b L48 - a type associated with the Low countries and England.
I haven't got my aDNA back yet, there may be a few surprises in that. My uber-Germanic subclade is going to be offset by lots of Celtic aDNA I expect.

Although these are your results - i can't wait. :D

[Jackson]

Btw did you order mtdna, or just y dna and autosomal?

[Albion]

Btw did you order mtdna, or just y dna and autosomal?

Y-DNA + aDNA.

[Bridie]

I think the English must still have made up around 40% though. .

True. :)

[Graham]

Be sure to put your autosomal through gedmatch, when you get the chance. :)
http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/a-upload1.php

http://gedmatch.com/

[Germanicus]

I'm willing to bet you find some exotic DNA...prepare yourself for a shock old bean!!!!

[Albion]

I'm willing to bet you find some exotic DNA...prepare yourself for a shock old bean!!!!

I hope not, although it seems almost everyone has a tiny bit of non-European admixture judging by aDNA results posted by most members on here. Generally its negligible though.

[Jackson]

I hope not, although it seems almost everyone has a tiny bit of non-European admixture judging by aDNA results posted by most members on here. Generally its negligible though.

Yeah, if it's something that looks very small it isn't always real. I mean the error in the GEDmatch tests is somewhat high - The best i've seen them do is about within 5% of someone's actual ancestry - It's important to look at all the components and of course the averages as well.

But be ready for surprises though (even though you may not get any). I was pretty sure before that i had a bit foreign ancestry on my father's side, but it turned out to be from my mother's side instead.

[Atlantic Islander]

The distribution is interesting, especially in Europe and also the apparent absence from Australia and NZ. :confused:



Europe:

http://a.yfrog.com/img5/4380/sexactmatchesmapeurope.png
Germanic with a few outliers. Mainly British Isles and Low Countries. The outlier in Azores may be from Flemish migration to there.



Yes, ftDNA's Azores project has 5 confirmed R1b1a2a1a1a4 participants.

[Germanicus]

I hope not, although it seems almost everyone has a tiny bit of non-European admixture judging by aDNA results posted by most members on here. Generally its negligible though.

Seriously....you look foreign. :picard1:

[Albion]

Seriously....you look foreign. :picard1:

How would you know what I look like?

[Graham]

Don't think you look foreign, you're very West Coast. You could pass in Glasgow, as a local.

[Germanicus]

How would you know what I look like?

I saw your picture once and thought you looked an odd looking out of the ordinary Brit bloke.:picard1:

[Bridie]

Show us your pic, Frisian!!! :shakefist


:p

[Graham]

How much of your ancestry is Northern Irish?

[Albion]

I saw your picture once and thought you looked an odd looking out of the ordinary Brit bloke.:picard1:

I used a dark filter. People said it made me look wog, when I took it off suddenly I wasn't. ;)
There are much native English much more woggy than me anyway, I work with a few.


Show us your pic, Frisian!!! :shakefist


:p


I don't have any at the moment, I'll post one tomorrow.

[Insuperable]

Lets guess Albion's aDna:p

[Albion]

How much of your ancestry is Northern Irish?

Not much, about 12.5%. The rest is Southern Irish, about another 12.3% + some further back on the paternal side but it'll be negligible now. Irish is mostly from the maternal side.

[Albion]

Lets guess Albion's aDna:p

I think it'll cluster with Ireland, I'd prefer low countries like my subclade really. Irish is a bit boring, it's only fun if you're an American.

[Germanicus]

Lets guess Albion's aDna:p


He will end up showing he has a wealth of dinarid and Norid in him.:picard1:

[Graham]

He will end up showing he has a wealth of dinarid and Norid in him.:picard1:

Keltic-Nordid trait that.

[Germanicus]

Keltic-Nordid trait that.


Shhhhh you are spoiling my fun ya Irish bugger!!! :)

[Albion]

He will end up showing he has a wealth of dinarid and Norid in him.:picard1:

I have relatives in Austria where Norid is common. They moved there though and are a bunch of Borrebies, they're Anglo-Irish (mother's side).


Shhhhh you are spoiling my fun ya Irish bugger!!! :)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n6BMiwovG_4/UIAPTrtO4HI/AAAAAAAAHKE/yvqGGHJ3TwE/s1600/i-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

I personally think this guy that Pallantides posted looks a bit like me. The brown hair, brown eyes and messy hair remind me of myself.



Magnus Hovdal Moan
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00863/Magnus_Moan_863710i.jpg

[Insuperable]

He will end up showing he has a wealth of dinarid and .......


Yes, I can already see what will be written in his 23andme Ancestry Composition tool: 70% Norid and 30% Dinarid aproaching pseudo Keltic range:picard1::D

edit: Albion is a Ftdna customer. I forgot.

[Albion]

Yes, I can already see what will be written in his 23andme Ancestry Composition tool: 70% Norid and 30% Dinarid aproaching pseudo Keltic range:picard1::D

edit: Albion is a Ftdna customer. I forgot.

Yeah, they'll probably have something similar though. I'll put my result in Eurogenes and DIY Dodecad.

[Jackson]

Yeah don't take their population finder too seriously though, they'll put you as Orcadian + Middle Eastern 100% Guarantee.

aDNA....I reckon you'll be English with a slight pull to the west, like my grandmother. But we'll see.

[Graham]

If your aDNA isn't as British as mine, don't worry. I'm the most British.

Rule Britannia.

[Jackson]

If your aDNA isn't as British as mine, don't worry. I'm the most British.

Rule Britannia.

Nominated Apricity King of the British. aka 'Bretwalda Graham' Maybe Albion could be an Advisor or some other key position of some kind if he is also as British as you? :D

[Graham]

When you expecting the aDNA results Albion?

[Albion]

When you expecting the aDNA results Albion?

Last week of February. FTDNA are very slow.

[Graham]

jeezo!!