Eurogenes K13

[Maleficent]

You're very Jewish.

Off topic; post your own results.

[Anglojew]

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 10.942
2 Romanian @ 12.032
3 Tuscan @ 12.597
4 Serbian @ 13.281
5 Bulgarian @ 13.845
6 French @ 14.893
7 Portuguese @ 15.270
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.183
9 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.429
10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.675
175 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% South_Italian @ 2.123
2 50% Dutch +50% South_Italian @ 2.221
3 50% Danish +50% South_Italian @ 3.272
4 50% Orcadian +50% South_Italian @ 3.548
5 50% Norwegian +50% South_Italian @ 3.591
6 50% Norwegian +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.593
7 50% Dutch +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.657
8 50% South_Italian +50% Swedish @ 3.725
9 50% South_Italian +50% Southeast_English @ 3.772
10 50% Irish +50% South_Italian @ 3.800
15400 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 1.520
2 50% German +25% Lebanese_Muslim +25% North_Italian @ 1.675
3 50% Irish +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 1.700
4 50% Dutch +25% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Tuscan @ 1.827
5 50% South_Italian +25% Dutch +25% German @ 1.888
6 50% Orcadian +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 1.905
7 50% Southwest_English +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 2.065
8 50% Danish +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 2.072
9 50% South_Italian +25% German +25% Norwegian @ 2.085
10 50% South_Italian +25% Danish +25% German @ 2.098
511171 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian + Greek + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.520
2 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + West_Scottish @ 1.568
3 Cyprian + Greek + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.575
4 Cyprian + Greek + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.602
5 Cyprian + Danish + Greek + West_Scottish @ 1.612
6 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + Southwest_English @ 1.614
7 Cyprian + Danish + Greek + Southwest_English @ 1.645
8 German + German + Lebanese_Muslim + North_Italian @ 1.675
9 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + Irish @ 1.700
10 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + Orcadian @ 1.708
11 German + Greek + Irish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.715
12 Cyprian + Danish + Greek + Irish @ 1.723
13 German + Lebanese_Muslim + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.739
14 Cyprian + Greek + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.757
15 German + Irish + Lebanese_Christian + North_Italian @ 1.760
16 German + Lebanese_Muslim + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 1.778
17 Cyprian + German + Irish + Tuscan @ 1.792
18 German + Irish + Lebanese_Muslim + Tuscan @ 1.808
19 Assyrian + Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.822
20 Dutch + Dutch + Lebanese_Muslim + Tuscan @ 1.827

[d3cimat3d]

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[Mortimer]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 17.28
2 West_Med 16.32
3 Baltic 16.28
4 East_Med 15.58
5 West_Asian 15.39
6 South_Asian 13.21
7 Red_Sea 2.72
8 East_Asian 2.08
9 Oceanian 1.15


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 17.072
2 Romanian @ 17.528
3 Greek @ 18.724
4 Serbian @ 20.602
5 Tuscan @ 22.207
6 North_Italian @ 23.820
7 Ashkenazi @ 24.453
8 South_Italian @ 24.867
9 Austrian @ 26.961
10 Hungarian @ 27.163
175 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Italian +50% Tadjik @ 11.252
2 50% Tadjik +50% Tuscan @ 11.795
3 50% North_Italian +50% Pathan @ 12.093
4 50% Bulgarian +50% Tadjik @ 12.703
5 50% Pathan +50% Portuguese @ 12.874
6 50% Burusho +50% North_Italian @ 12.908
7 50% Romanian +50% Tadjik @ 12.920
8 50% Pathan +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 12.986
9 50% Pathan +50% Tuscan @ 13.009
10 50% Spanish_Galicia +50% Turkmen @ 13.037
15400 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Gujarati +25% Tuscan @ 3.303
2 50% Romanian +25% Bangladeshi +25% Greek @ 3.502
3 50% Bulgarian +25% Brahmin_UP +25% Greek @ 3.504
4 50% Bulgarian +25% Kshatriya +25% Tuscan @ 3.560
5 50% Bulgarian +25% Bangladeshi +25% Greek @ 3.668
6 50% Bulgarian +25% Bangladeshi +25% Tuscan @ 3.691
7 50% Greek +25% Bangladeshi +25% Hungarian @ 3.725
8 50% Bulgarian +25% Brahmin_UP +25% Tuscan @ 3.731
9 50% Greek +25% Austrian +25% Bangladeshi @ 3.753
10 50% Romanian +25% Brahmin_UP +25% Greek @ 3.803
797155 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Gujarati + Tuscan @ 3.303
2 Brahmin_UP + Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_West @ 3.374
3 Brahmin_UP + Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 3.417
4 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Greek + Romanian @ 3.471
5 Cyprian + Gujarati + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 3.479
6 Azeri_Jewish + Brahmin_UP + Estonian + Sardinian @ 3.483
7 Bangladeshi + Greek + Romanian + Romanian @ 3.502
8 Brahmin_UP + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Greek @ 3.504
9 Azeri_Jewish + Brahmin_UP + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.519
10 Brahmin_UP + Bulgarian + Greek + Romanian @ 3.544
11 Brahmin_UP + Estonian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.551
12 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Kshatriya + Tuscan @ 3.560
13 Brahmin_UP + Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.571
14 Cyprian + Gujarati + North_Italian + Ukrainian_West @ 3.579
15 Brahmin_UP + Greek + South_Italian + Ukrainian_West @ 3.579
16 Assyrian + Brahmin_UP + Estonian + Sardinian @ 3.608
17 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Greek + Serbian @ 3.616
18 Estonian + Lebanese_Muslim + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.625
19 Brahmin_UP + Greek + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 3.631
20 Azeri_Jewish + Belorussian + Brahmin_UP + Sardinian @ 3.644

can any jewish type ancestry be inferred?

[Anglojew]

can any jewish type ancestry be inferred?

You have Azeri_Jewish but to be honest I don't think this test is very accurate. Look at my results. The K15 (from memory) test seems more accurate.

[Anglojew]

Eurogenes K13 Updated ADMIXTURE Proportions

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.83
2 West_Asian 34.23
3 West_Med 11.96
4 Red_Sea 8.31
5 South_Asian 2.25
6 North_Atlantic 1.72
7 Baltic 1.37
8 Oceanian 0.96
9 Northeast_African 0.26
10 Siberian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 2.55
2 Georgian_Jewish 3.57
3 Azeri_Jewish 4.01
4 Armenian 6.32
5 Lebanese_Muslim 10.62
6 Turkish 11.72
7 Kurdish 12.49
8 Syrian 12.74
9 Iranian 13.72
10 Lebanese_Druze 14.42
11 Cyprian 14.63
12 Lebanese_Christian 14.66
13 Samaritan 16.42
14 Jordanian 16.97
15 Palestinian 18.29
16 Georgian 22.18
17 Bedouin 22.3
18 Sephardic_Jewish 23.16
19 Abhkasian 23.23
20 Kumyk 23.33

Using 2 populations approximation:

1 50% Assyrian +50% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.354
2 50% Assyrian +50% Assyrian @ 2.799
3 50% Assyrian +50% Azeri_Jewish @ 3.050
4 50% Armenian +50% Assyrian @ 3.341
5 50% Azeri_Jewish +50% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.433
6 50% Georgian_Jewish +50% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.031
7 50% Azeri_Jewish +50% Azeri_Jewish @ 4.531
8 50% Armenian +50% Azeri_Jewish @ 4.657
9 50% Armenian +50% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.768
10 50% Kurdish +50% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.895
15400 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.793
2 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.845
3 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.043
4 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.090
5 50% Assyrian +25% Armenian +25% Assyrian @ 2.199
6 50% Assyrian +25% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.250
7 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Abhkasian +25% Armenian @ 2.264
8 50% Armenian +25% Azeri_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.307
9 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Abhkasian +25% Georgian_Jewish @
2.345
10 50% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.354
61558 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 1.793
2 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 1.845
3 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.043
4 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.090
5 Abhkasian + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.122
6 Abhkasian + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.125
7 Armenian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Assyrian @ 2.199
8 Assyrian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.250
9 Abhkasian + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.264
10 Armenian + Armenian + Azeri_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.307
11 Armenian + Azeri_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.312
12 Abhkasian + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.345
13 Assyrian + Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.354
14 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Samaritan @ 2.393
15 Assyrian + Assyrian + Azeri_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.403
16 Armenian + Armenian + Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.436
17 Abhkasian + Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritan @ 2.460
18 Abhkasian + Azeri_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.471
19 Armenian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.493
20 Assyrian + Assyrian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.494

Welcome to the tribe dude.

[Mortimer]

You have Azeri_Jewish but to be honest I don't think this test is very accurate. Look at my results. The K15 (from memory) test seems more accurate.

i also have georgian jewish and lebanese_muslim and greek and italian and spanish like you. i looked at your results yours also says greek and italian and lebanese_muslim

[YeshAtid]

i also have georgian jewish and lebanese_muslim and greek and italian and spanish like you. i looked at your results yours also says greek and italian and lebanese_muslim
It's a substitutes for Levantine

[Mortimer]

It's a substitutes for Levantine

ok. but i think from results there could be jewish, ill leave it open. the results doesnt make it impossible that there is jewish i have similar results to anglo-jew except that he is half northern european and im balkan+southasian

[YeshAtid]

ok. but i think from results there could be jewish, ill leave it open. the results doesnt make it impossible that there is jewish i have similar results to anglo-jew except that he is half northern european and im balkan+southasian

It's likely a mix that appears to be Jewish but isn't .

[Mortimer]

It's likely a mix that appears to be Jewish but isn't .

ok

[Anglojew]

ok. but i think from results there could be jewish, ill leave it open. the results doesnt make it impossible that there is jewish i have similar results to anglo-jew except that he is half northern european and im balkan+southasian

What about the other Eurogenes tests? Some seem more accurate to me.

[Oneeye]

ONEEYE:

North_Atlantic 46.78%
Baltic 23.29%
West_Med 13.14%
West_Asian 7.82%
East_Med 5.64%
Red_Sea 0.48%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.94%
Oceanian 0.87%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Oracle:

1 German 3.57
2 Dutch 4.66
3 Southeast_English 4.8
4 Orcadian 5.84
5 Danish 6.07
6 Irish 6.37
7 Southwest_English 6.51
8 West_Scottish 7.06
9 Norwegian 8.46
10 Swedish 9.21

Oracle 4

1 Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.715
2 Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.751
3 Irish + Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.837
4 Serbian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.873
5 Irish + Serbian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.874

Pct. Calc. Option 2

0 Unable to determine 0.02%
1 German 45.99%
2 West_Scottish 20.33%
3 Southeast_English 10.60%
4 Swedish 7.13%
5 French_Basque 5.98%
6 Lezgin 4.32%
7 Spanish_Aragon 4.20%
8 Mayan 1.01%
9 Chechen 0.41%
10 Turkish 0.01%

Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 German 48.41%
2 West_Scottish 41.28%
3 Tuscan 4.83%
4 Lezgin 2.69%
5 French_Basque 1.53%
6 Mayan 1.26%
7 Bulgarian 0.00%
8 Greek 0.00%
9 Sephardic_Jewish 0.00%
10 South_Italian 0.00%




ONEEYE'S MOTHER:

North_Atlantic 45.09%
Baltic 27.61%
West_Med 11.74%
West_Asian 7.60%
East_Med 4.72%
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.43%
Amerindian 1.57%
Oceanian 0.46%
Northeast_African 0.79%
Sub-Saharan -


Oracle:

1 German @ 3.091
2 Dutch @ 4.358
3 Swedish @ 6.706
4 Norwegian @ 6.864
5 Danish @ 7.446
6 Orcadian @ 7.730
7 Southeast_English @ 7.899
8 Irish @ 8.552
9 West_Scottish @ 9.663
10 Southwest_English @ 9.993

1 German + German + German + Swedish @ 2.158
2 Austrian + German + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.246
3 Austrian + German + Irish + Swedish @ 2.250
4 German + Hungarian + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.259
5 Austrian + German + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.341
6 German + Hungarian + Irish + Swedish @ 2.352
7 Austrian + Dutch + Irish + Swedish @ 2.359
8 German + Hungarian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.362
9 German + Hungarian + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.391
10 Austrian + German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.398


Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 German 62.93%
2 Swedish 23.97%
3 Irish 5.27%
4 Chuvash 2.57%
5 Finnish 1.80%
6 Spanish_Andalucia 1.27%
7 Balkar 1.10%
8 Karitiana 1.08%
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.00%
10 Mari 0.00%

Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 German 68.55%
2 Swedish 26.87%
3 Chechen 2.01%
4 Finnish 1.67%
5 Karitiana 0.87%
6 Bulgarian 0.01%
7 Romanian 0.01%
8 Serbian 0.01%
9 Chuvash 0.00%
10 Balkar 0.00%

[Mortimer]

What about the other Eurogenes tests? Some seem more accurate to me.

on K15 V2 im 50% Ashkenazi Jewish. Aussie said that is most fair for me on 23andme. I dont know.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I just saw how to get my Oracle results My results:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Greenlander 43.78
2 East_Greenlander 49.17
3 Spanish_Extremadura 50.23
4 North_Italian 50.27
5 Portuguese 50.31
6 Romanian 50.31
7 Tuscan 50.36
8 Bulgarian 50.46
9 Spanish_Galicia 50.65
10 Spanish_Murcia 50.67
11 North_Amerindian 51.17
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 51.2
13 Serbian 51.41
14 Greek 51.51
15 Spanish_Andalucia 51.58
16 Spanish_Valencia 51.59
17 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 51.75
18 Spanish_Cataluna 51.76
19 Algerian 51.84
20 French 51.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Spanish_Galicia + 46.2% Mayan @ 10.21
2 53.9% Portuguese + 46.1% Mayan @ 10.23
3 54% Spanish_Extremadura + 46% Mayan @ 10.39
4 53.8% Spanish_Murcia + 46.2% Mayan @ 10.55
5 53.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.5% Mayan @ 10.65
6 55.5% Spanish_Galicia + 44.5% Pima @ 10.71
7 55.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 44.3% Pima @ 10.78
8 55.7% Portuguese + 44.3% Pima @ 10.78
9 54% North_Italian + 46% Mayan @ 10.96
10 53.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 46.7% Mayan @ 11
11 53.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.8% Mayan @ 11.02
12 55.5% Spanish_Murcia + 44.5% Pima @ 11.04
13 55.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 44.8% Pima @ 11.14
14 53.3% Spanish_Valencia + 46.7% Mayan @ 11.21
15 53.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 46.8% Mayan @ 11.3
16 55.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 44.9% Pima @ 11.31
17 53.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 46.9% Mayan @ 11.57
18 55% Spanish_Cataluna + 45% Pima @ 11.57
19 55.7% North_Italian + 44.3% Pima @ 11.59
20 59.9% Spanish_Galicia + 40.1% Karitiana @ 11.62

[Anglojew]

on K15 V2 im 50% Ashkenazi Jewish. Aussie said that is most fair for me on 23andme. I dont know.

Excactly. That was the test I personally found most accurate. I think you're probably 1/4 Jewish in reality but who knows.

[Mortimer]

here is my harappa world it is good for southasians and also my mdlp which is good for eastern euros
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 23.93
2 Caucasian 23.47
3 Mediterranean 21.36
4 Baloch 12.30
5 S-Indian 11.00
6 SW-Asian 5.03
7 Papuan 1.06
8 NE-Asian 0.93
9 American 0.92


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 romanian-b @ 16.790
2 romanian-a @ 17.307
3 tuscan @ 17.879
4 tuscan @ 17.942
5 bulgarian @ 18.122
6 tuscan @ 18.154
7 ashkenazi @ 19.049
8 ashkenazy-jew @ 20.881
9 italian @ 21.192
10 serbian @ 21.943
377 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% romanian-a +50% romanian-b @ 5.004
2 50% romanian-b +50% serbian @ 6.052
3 50% bulgarian +50% romanian-b @ 6.068
4 50% italian +50% romanian-b @ 6.196
5 50% sephardic-jew +50% singapore-indian-d @ 7.585
6 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% singapore-indian-d @ 7.611
7 50% romanian-b +50% tuscan @ 7.613
8 50% romanian-b +50% tuscan @ 7.683
9 50% romanian-b +50% tuscan @ 7.912
10 50% french +50% romanian-b @ 8.200
71253 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% tuscan +25% bengali-brahmin +25% bulgarian @ 1.890
2 50% tuscan +25% brahmin-uttar-pradesh +25% bulgarian @ 1.918
3 50% bulgarian +25% cochin-jew +25% tuscan @ 1.984
4 50% tuscan +25% bengali-brahmin +25% bulgarian @ 1.987
5 50% tuscan +25% bulgarian +25% vaish @ 2.023
6 50% tuscan +25% bihari-muslim +25% bulgarian @ 2.031
7 50% tuscan +25% bihari-muslim +25% bulgarian @ 2.031
8 50% tuscan +25% brahmin-uttar-pradesh +25% bulgarian @ 2.075
9 50% bulgarian +25% cochin-jew +25% tuscan @ 2.076
10 50% romanian-a +25% cochin-jew +25% tuscan @ 2.121
5266372 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.890
2 bulgarian + cochin-jew + romanian-a + tuscan @ 1.915
3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.918
4 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.928
5 bulgarian + cochin-jew + romanian-a + tuscan @ 1.961
6 bulgarian + bulgarian + cochin-jew + tuscan @ 1.984
7 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.987
8 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.987
9 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.020
10 bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan + vaish @ 2.023
11 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.031
12 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.031
13 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.057
14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.075
15 bulgarian + bulgarian + cochin-jew + tuscan @ 2.076
16 bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan + vaish @ 2.077
17 bulgarian + cochin-jew + romanian-a + tuscan @ 2.091
18 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.115
19 cochin-jew + romanian-a + romanian-a + tuscan @ 2.121
20 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.125

could the tuscan be a substitute for jewish? how tuscan, that is italian

mdlp world22
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 27.68
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 26.72
3 West-Asian 18.82
4 Indian 11.57
5 Near_East 9.72
6 Indo-Iranian 1.51
7 East-South-Asian 1.39
8 Samoedic 0.96
9 North-European-Mesolithic 0.89
10 Austronesian 0.75


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romania @ 13.754
2 Greek_South @ 14.868
3 Gagauz @ 15.423
4 Greek_North @ 15.573
5 Ashkenazim_V @ 15.682
6 Bulgarian @ 17.343
7 Tatar_Crim @ 17.502
8 Jew_Romania @ 18.544
9 Greek_Center @ 18.837
10 Macedonian @ 19.290
276 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Macedonian +50% Roma @ 4.173
2 50% Bulgarian +50% Roma @ 4.462
3 50% Roma +50% Serbian @ 4.727
4 50% Gagauz +50% Roma @ 4.990
5 50% Montenegrin +50% Roma @ 5.110
6 50% Bosnian +50% Roma @ 5.673
7 50% Roma +50% Romania @ 6.591
8 50% Croatian +50% Roma @ 6.781
9 50% Hungarian +50% Roma @ 7.241
10 50% Austrian +50% Roma @ 7.978
38226 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +25% Greek_Center +25% Jew_India @ 1.656
2 50% Serbian +25% Greek_East +25% Jew_India @ 1.695
3 50% Montenegrin +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Jew_India @ 1.725
4 50% Serbian +25% Greek_South +25% Jew_India @ 1.849
5 50% Serbian +25% Italian-Center +25% Jew_India @ 1.856
6 50% Serbian +25% Jew_India +25% Jew_Romania @ 1.866
7 50% Gagauz +25% Jew_India +25% Swiss @ 1.904
8 50% Montenegrin +25% Greek_South +25% Jew_India @ 1.909
9 50% Italian-Center +25% Jew_India +25% Polish @ 1.963
10 50% Macedonian +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Jew_India @ 1.986
3264784 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_East + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian-West @ 1.458
2 Jew_India + Jew_Romania + Kosovar + Ukrainian-West @ 1.469
3 Greek_East + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian_V @ 1.483
4 Greek_Center + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian-West @ 1.499
5 Greek_Cretan + Jew_India + Provancestralal + Ukrainian-West @ 1.506
6 Greek_Center + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian_V @ 1.514
7 Hungarian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.517
8 Czech + Gagauz + Italian-South + Jew_India @ 1.534
9 Greek_East + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.535
10 Bosnian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Serbian @ 1.541
11 Hungarian + Italian-Center + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.551
12 Croatian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.559
13 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Italian-Center + Jew_India @ 1.564
14 Italian-South + Jew_India + Latvian_V + Provancestralal @ 1.566
15 Jew_India + Jew_Romania + Kosovar + Ukrainian_V @ 1.566
16 Bulgarian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Slovenian @ 1.570
17 Greek_South + Jew_India + Macedonian + Serbian @ 1.571
18 Croatian + Italian-Center + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.578
19 Greek_South + Jew_India + Montenegrin + Serbian @ 1.579
20 Italian-North + Italian-South + Jew_India + Ukrainian-East @ 1.585

i dont know what the greek and italian substitutes, but there is indian type ancestry and either balkan or jewish, it is hard to tell i guess when you are southeuropean with roma because it could be a mix which is similar to jewish, i guess in northern europeans it is easier to tell

[ZephyrousMandaru]

can any jewish type ancestry be inferred?

These tests aren't designed for predicting what your ethnicity is, it's for analyzing your genetic affinities to populations in the database.

[Mortimer]

These tests aren't designed for predicting what your ethnicity is, it's for analyzing your genetic affinities to populations in the database.

how can i know if im jewish?

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Welcome to the tribe dude.

I'm not Jewish, it's just all those populations convey enough genetic similarity to Assyrians, to be used as substitutes for them.

[YeshAtid]

how can i know if im jewish?

Self reflection.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

how can i know if im jewish?

Are most people in your Relative Finder Jewish or partly Jewish? If so, then you probably have Jewish ancestry. If not, then no, all it typifies is similarity.

[Mortimer]

Are most people in your Relative Finder Jewish or partly Jewish? If so, then you probably have Jewish ancestry. If not, then no, all it typifies is similarity.

I dont know what most people in my relatives list are. I have 795 relatives and had maybe contact to 5 people or so

[Maleficent]

fun

http://i42.tinypic.com/mtatlx.pngInteresting. I thought you were Anatolian Turk.

It's a substitutes for Levantine
Spanish and Italian is de facto Southern Euro whereas Lebanese_Muslim and Georgian_Jewish is quite Iranid shifted, so no, they can't be substitutes for Levantine.

These tests aren't designed for predicting what your ethnicity is, it's for analyzing your genetic affinities to populations in the database.
I think it's a combination of both, actually.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

If someone has jewish admixture it don't make you a jewish, sorry. now cry me a river, gua gua

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I think it's a combination of both, actually.

No they're not, because they measure distant relationships between populations.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

on K15 V2 im 50% Ashkenazi Jewish. Aussie said that is most fair for me on 23andme. I dont know.

Post the results? for the 50% Ashkenazi Jewish?

[Stormer99]

No they're not, because they measure distant relationships between populations.

If an ethnicity keeps showing up on every test chances are you just might have it.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

If an ethnicity keeps showing up on every test chances are you just might have it.

No you don't, there are specific tests for that such as IBD tests. Which do measure genetic relatedness, these calculators don't exactly do that. If they did, I'd have people of all those ethnicities in my Relative Finder lists. Which I don't.

[YeshAtid]

Spanish and Italian is de facto Southern Euro whereas Lebanese_Muslim and Georgian_Jewish is quite Iranid shifted, so no, they can't be substitutes for Levantine.

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So they're Southern proxies ?

[Stormer99]

No you don't, there are specific tests for that such as IBD tests. Which do measure genetic relatedness, these calculators don't exactly do that. If they did, I'd have people of all those ethnicities in my Relative Finder lists. Which I don't.
I am talking about if a certain ancestry pops up every single time it means something. However, you can interpret it a multitude of ways. Some things though are just proxies for Caucasus type ancestry such as Georgia Jews or Azerbaijan Jews. When people get this or Armenian or Georgian it means Caucasus type ancestry either recent or ancient. If someone gets Moroccan or Algerian it means some type of Northwest African ancestry.

[Maleficent]

No they're not, because they measure distant relationships between populations.
Well then, for example, do you think these tests are unhelpful for adopted folks?!

Or hypothetically, an American child of Iraqi Arab immigrants takes the test and clusters with Assyrians on every calculator. Would you say he or she is wrong to conclude his or her particular family is descendant of Arabized Assyrians?!

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I am talking about if a certain ancestry pops up every single time it means something. However, you can interpret it a multitude of ways. Some things though are just proxies for Caucasus type ancestry such as Georgia Jews or Azerbaijan Jews. When people get this or Armenian or Georgian it means Caucasus type ancestry either recent or ancient.

Most of it ancient, no it doesn't necessarily indicate Caucasus admixture. It takes disparate parts of each of their genomes, comprising a microcosm of alleles. Then takes those parts, examines your genotype qualitatively and searches for similarities between aspects of those genomes. Whether in part or as a whole. It shows common ancestry.

Armenians aren't 100% Caucasus, they also have Mediterranean, Southwest Asian and Gedrosian admixture. Which is what these Oracles account for. Take my Oracle Reference 3 Harappa Ancestry Project results for example.

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "75.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 24.7% kurd" "1.7331"
[2,] "89.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 10.7% urkarah" "1.934"
[3,] "80.9% Iraqi Mandaean + 19.1% chechens" "1.9985"
[4,] "16.5% lezgins + 83.5% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.0307"
[5,] "88.4% Iraqi Mandaean + 11.6% stalskoe" "2.0654"
[6,] "18.9% adygei + 81.1% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.1009"
[7,] "52.2% Iraqi Mandaean + 47.8% kurds" "2.1568"
[8,] "79.1% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.9% kumyks" "2.2159"
[9,] "42.3% Georgian + 57.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2198"
[10,] "90.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 9.3% Romany" "2.2385"
[11,] "62% Iraqi Mandaean + 38% abhkasians" "2.2416"
[12,] "36% georgians + 64% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2654"
[13,] "77.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 22.7% north-ossetians" "2.2806"
[14,] "79.8% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.2% balkars" "2.2919"
[15,] "5.8% lithuanians + 94.2% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4203"
[16,] "6.2% russian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4369"
[17,] "30% Azeri + 70% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4427"
[18,] "16.7% bedouin + 83.3% kurds" "2.4511"
[19,] "5.3% finnish + 94.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4551"
[20,] "6.2% belorussian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.46"
[21,] "93.6% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.4% mordovians" "2.4697"
[22,] "24.6% palestinian + 75.4% kurds" "2.4796"
[23,] "16.5% saudis + 83.5% kurds" "2.4917"
[24,] "14.3% yemen-jews + 85.7% kurds" "2.5016"
[25,] "6% paniya + 94% armenians" "2.5213"
[26,] "6% malayan + 94% armenians" "2.526"
[27,] "6.3% sahariya + 93.7% armenians" "2.5283"
[28,] "93.5% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.5% ukranians" "2.5528"
[29,] "93.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.3% slovenian" "2.5532"
[30,] "37.9% syrians + 62.1% kurds" "2.564"
[31,] "94% Iraqi Mandaean + 6% n-european" "2.5688"
[32,] "6.2% Dhurwa + 93.8% armenians" "2.5731"
[33,] "6.1% Nihali + 93.9% armenians" "2.5737"
[34,] "6.3% orcadian + 93.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.5801"
[35,] "6.3% satnami + 93.7% armenians" "2.5847"
[36,] "5.9% Pulliyar + 94.1% armenians" "2.5998"
[37,] "6.1% kurumba + 93.9% armenians" "2.5998"
[38,] "6% asur + 94% armenians" "2.6044"
[39,] "6% santhal + 94% armenians" "2.6123"
[40,] "10.2% romanians + 89.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6139"
[41,] "79.6% druze + 20.4% Haryana Jatt" "2.6144"
[42,] "6.4% Gond + 93.6% armenians" "2.617"
[43,] "6.6% utahn-whites + 93.4% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6171"
[44,] "6.4% british + 93.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.619"
[45,] "6.1% Bhunjia + 93.9% armenians" "2.6202"
[46,] "7.4% hungarians + 92.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6269"
[47,] "6% mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6319"
[48,] "6% Mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6413"
[49,] "60% Iraqi Arab + 40% kurd" "2.6417"
[50,] "6% Tamil Vishwakarma + 94% armenians" "2.6556"

I'm not descended from any of these populations, but what Oracle is detecting are the patterns of my genetic substructure matching some percentage, of each of these populations. Now if I was a gullible idiot, and I genuinely thought I was 60% Iraqi Arab and 40% Kurdish. I would be wrong, since Iraqi Arabs and Kurds aren't in my Relative Finder.

[Stormer99]

Most of it ancient, no it doesn't necessarily indicate Caucasus admixture. It takes disparate parts of each of their genomes, comprising a microcosm of alleles. Then takes those parts, examines your genotype qualitatively and searches for similarities between aspects of those genomes. Whether in part or as a whole. It shows common ancestry.

Armenians aren't 100% Caucasus, they also have Mediterranean, Southwest Asian and Gedrosian admixture. Which is what these Oracles account for. Take my Oracle Reference 3 Harappa Ancestry Project results for example.

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "75.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 24.7% kurd" "1.7331"
[2,] "89.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 10.7% urkarah" "1.934"
[3,] "80.9% Iraqi Mandaean + 19.1% chechens" "1.9985"
[4,] "16.5% lezgins + 83.5% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.0307"
[5,] "88.4% Iraqi Mandaean + 11.6% stalskoe" "2.0654"
[6,] "18.9% adygei + 81.1% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.1009"
[7,] "52.2% Iraqi Mandaean + 47.8% kurds" "2.1568"
[8,] "79.1% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.9% kumyks" "2.2159"
[9,] "42.3% Georgian + 57.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2198"
[10,] "90.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 9.3% Romany" "2.2385"
[11,] "62% Iraqi Mandaean + 38% abhkasians" "2.2416"
[12,] "36% georgians + 64% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2654"
[13,] "77.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 22.7% north-ossetians" "2.2806"
[14,] "79.8% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.2% balkars" "2.2919"
[15,] "5.8% lithuanians + 94.2% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4203"
[16,] "6.2% russian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4369"
[17,] "30% Azeri + 70% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4427"
[18,] "16.7% bedouin + 83.3% kurds" "2.4511"
[19,] "5.3% finnish + 94.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4551"
[20,] "6.2% belorussian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.46"
[21,] "93.6% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.4% mordovians" "2.4697"
[22,] "24.6% palestinian + 75.4% kurds" "2.4796"
[23,] "16.5% saudis + 83.5% kurds" "2.4917"
[24,] "14.3% yemen-jews + 85.7% kurds" "2.5016"
[25,] "6% paniya + 94% armenians" "2.5213"
[26,] "6% malayan + 94% armenians" "2.526"
[27,] "6.3% sahariya + 93.7% armenians" "2.5283"
[28,] "93.5% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.5% ukranians" "2.5528"
[29,] "93.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.3% slovenian" "2.5532"
[30,] "37.9% syrians + 62.1% kurds" "2.564"
[31,] "94% Iraqi Mandaean + 6% n-european" "2.5688"
[32,] "6.2% Dhurwa + 93.8% armenians" "2.5731"
[33,] "6.1% Nihali + 93.9% armenians" "2.5737"
[34,] "6.3% orcadian + 93.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.5801"
[35,] "6.3% satnami + 93.7% armenians" "2.5847"
[36,] "5.9% Pulliyar + 94.1% armenians" "2.5998"
[37,] "6.1% kurumba + 93.9% armenians" "2.5998"
[38,] "6% asur + 94% armenians" "2.6044"
[39,] "6% santhal + 94% armenians" "2.6123"
[40,] "10.2% romanians + 89.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6139"
[41,] "79.6% druze + 20.4% Haryana Jatt" "2.6144"
[42,] "6.4% Gond + 93.6% armenians" "2.617"
[43,] "6.6% utahn-whites + 93.4% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6171"
[44,] "6.4% british + 93.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.619"
[45,] "6.1% Bhunjia + 93.9% armenians" "2.6202"
[46,] "7.4% hungarians + 92.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6269"
[47,] "6% mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6319"
[48,] "6% Mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6413"
[49,] "60% Iraqi Arab + 40% kurd" "2.6417"
[50,] "6% Tamil Vishwakarma + 94% armenians" "2.6556"

I'm not descended from any of these populations, but what Oracle is detecting are the patterns of my genetic substructure matching some percentage, of each of these populations. Now if I was a gullible idiot, and I genuinely thought I was 60% Iraqi Arab and 40% Kurdish. I would be wrong, since Iraqi Arabs and Kurds aren't in my Relative Finder.

Although you can conclude you are descended from populations similar to the two. It basically indicates Mesopotamian ancestry which you do have.

[Mortimer]

Post the results? for the 50% Ashkenazi Jewish?

I did already. In the thread for it Eurogenes K15 V2. Why are you against that im Jewish, i dont know if i am but why does it bother you,

[Anglojew]

I'm not Jewish, it's just all those populations convey enough genetic similarity to Assyrians, to be used as substitutes for them.

Computers don't lie.

[Anglojew]

how can i know if im jewish?

I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to Romajew

[Mortimer]

I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to Romajew

no it is not confirmed, 23andme didnt confirmed it. their response left me unsatisfied and without knowledge and confirmation

[Stormer99]

Computers don't lie.

Georgian_Jewish is a proxy for Caucasus type ancestry.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to Romajew

This.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Computers don't lie.

No, but literal interpretations can be faulty and should be cautioned against.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Georgian_Jewish is a proxy for Caucasus type ancestry.

Not entirely, Georgian Jews have Southwest Asian, Mediterranean and other alleles that makeup their ancestry. It isn't just measuring "Caucasus" ancestry. A better candidate for that would be Abkhazians, Georgians (Non-Jews) and Adygei. Georgian Jews cluster quite far away from other Georgians. If they're like the Jew Tats, then they probably origins in Iran or Iraq.

[Anglojew]

No, but literal interpretations can be faulty and should be cautioned against.

I know I was kidding but I think you're a proto-Israelite

[Maleficent]

I know I was kidding but I think you're a proto-Israelite

That's kind of stating the obvious about the ancient origins of the Assyrian people.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I know I was kidding but I think you're a proto-Israelite

I don't even know what that means, because I don't have any Proto-Israelite specimens to compare my genotype with.

[Maleficent]

I don't even know what that means, because I don't have any Proto-Israelite specimens to compare my genotype with.

Not everything needs to be so literal and scientific. Just take something at face-value for once.

[StonyArabia]

Well then, for example, do you think these tests are unhelpful for adopted folks?!

Or hypothetically, an American child of Iraqi Arab immigrants takes the test and clusters with Assyrians on every calculator. Would you say he or she is wrong to conclude his or her particular family is descendant of Arabized Assyrians?!

Yes he or she is probably an Arabized Assyrian. Many Iraqi Arabs in the North are Arabized Assyrians. This can be seen by some Northern Iraqi Arabs who took their test.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Not everything needs to be so literal and scientific. Just take something at face-value for once.

I'm a skeptic, I don't take anything at face value. That's the difference between you and I.

[StonyArabia]

I think the Israelites did originate from the Assyrio-Mandean population. Mandeans who are Babylonians and Abraham was Babylonian. Also Assyrians were brothers to the Babylonians so I think the theory makes sense.

[Maleficent]

I'm a skeptic, I don't take anything at face value. That's the difference between you and I.

No the difference between you and I is that it's not always necessary to be a skeptic. Questioning everything is great, I am a questioner myself. But sometimes you just gotta take things as they are without further inspection becuase they are obviously already correct. Not to mention the fact that I actually have integrity and loyalty in friendships.

[Qorgyle]

Baltic 30.75
North_Atlantic 22.97
West_Med 14.21
East_Med 13.67
Red_Sea 5.23
West_Asian 5.18
Siberian 4.47
South_Asian 2.6
Northeast_African 0.91

Probably my fav eurogenes calculator so far. Also I know somebody probably asked about it but is the red sea supposed to represent some sort of middle east component?

[Maleficent]

Baltic 30.75
North_Atlantic 22.97
West_Med 14.21
East_Med 13.67
Red_Sea 5.23
West_Asian 5.18
Siberian 4.47
South_Asian 2.6
Northeast_African 0.91

Probably my fav eurogenes calculator so far. Also I know somebody probably asked about it but is the red sea supposed to represent some sort of middle east component?
Red Sea is pretty much Arabian/SouthwestAsian but it's got some NortheastAfrican alleles. This calculator is just too similar to K15 in my opinion, there's no real comparison or difference between the two. Anyway, what's your actual ethnic background?!

[Qorgyle]

Red Sea is pretty much Arabian/SouthwestAsian but it's got some NortheastAfrican alleles. This calculator is just too similar to K15 in my opinion, there's no real comparison or difference between the two. Anyway, what's your actual ethnic background?!
Northern Russian, Ukrainian/Moldovan, Ashkenazi, Volga Tatar, distant Uzbek/Tajiik ancestry to go along with that mess. Most of the time my oracle results are along the lines of 80% russian and 20% Egyptian but this time it got my Ashkenazi ancestry pretty spot on.

[Gaston]

Red Sea is pretty much Arabian/SouthwestAsian but it's got some NortheastAfrican alleles. This calculator is just too similar to K15 in my opinion, there's no real comparison or difference between the two. Anyway, what's your actual ethnic background?!

The Northeast African cluster seems Eurasian-shifted too so it's not a big deal. I don't think the Red_Sea component is less West Eurasian than the East Eurasian-shifted Baltic, North Atlantic and West Asian.

[Stormer99]

Red Sea is pretty much Arabian/SouthwestAsian but it's got some NortheastAfrican alleles. This calculator is just too similar to K15 in my opinion, there's no real comparison or difference between the two. Anyway, what's your actual ethnic background?!

They should add a Northwest African component.

[Maleficent]

Northern Russian, Ukrainian/Moldovan, Ashkenazi, Volga Tatar, distant Uzbek/Tajiik ancestry to go along with that mess. Most of the time my oracle results are along the lines of 80% russian and 20% Egyptian but this time it got my Ashkenazi ancestry pretty spot on.
Interesting mix you've got, so the AJ in you must be about a quarter.

The Northeast African cluster seems Eurasian-shifted too so it's not a big deal.
No surprise there, Horners are Caucasoid-shifted SSAs.

I don't think the Red_Sea component is less West Eurasian than the East Eurasian-shifted Baltic, North Atlantic and West Asian.
Well the Red_Sea component is pretty much the most SSA-shifted of all the 'pure Caucasoid' components.

[Gaston]

Well the Red_Sea component is pretty much the most SSA-shifted of all the 'pure Caucasoid' components.

Sure, I just wanted to clarify that the "Eurasian-ness" of the Northeast African cluster may counterbalance that.

[Maleficent]

They should add a Northwest African component.
That might throw everything off for some people. Why should we cater to those butthurt Octoroon/Quadroons?!:laugh:

Sure, I just wanted to clarify that the "Eurasian-ness" of the Northeast African cluster may counterbalance that.
Makes sense.

[MfA_]

Oracle is updated and PCA option is available..

[Maleficent]

Oracle is updated and PCA option is available..

Awesome! I will check it right now.....

[Maleficent]

PCA is Horrible. Either that or it still needs work. No matter how I set it both my parents are clustering with Papuan. WTF?!

[Mazik]

PCA is Horrible. Either that or it still needs work. No matter how I set it both my parents are clustering with Papuan. WTF?!

Yea same here :eek: tested loads of different settings and I ended up with Papuan, Melaneisan, and other very distant populations to my genetic ancestry.

[Gaita]

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/Mobile%20Uploads/A678F8B2-3D6A-4D4F-832F-194E9EFA37FA_zps4hgkiikc.jpg

[Maleficent]

Yea same here :eek: tested loads of different settings and I ended up with Papuan, auroasiatic (or something) and other very distant populations to my genetic ancestry.

They should have released it after it was finished and fully functional.:picard2:

[MfA_]

PCA is Horrible. Either that or it still needs work. No matter how I set it both my parents are clustering with Papuan. WTF?!

haha same here, I literally tried every possible combinations..

[Gaita]

40577

[Jusarius]

Baltic 48.64%
North_Atlantic 33.12%
Siberian 8.70%
West_Med 4.05%
West_Asian 1.55%
South_Asian 1.52%
Oceanian 1.06%
Amerindian 1.06%
East_Asian 0.25%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Finnish 2.55
2 Finnish 3.06
3 Estonian 6.23
4 Southwest_Finnish 8.23
5 Kargopol_Russian 8.99
6 Belorussian 10.23
7 Lithuanian 10.76
8 Russian 12.27
9 Erzya 12.38
10 Ukrainian_Northeast 13.38
11 Ukrainian 13.8
12 Polish 13.84
13 Ukrainian_West 14.67
14 North_Swedish 16.2
15 Hungarian 21.3
16 Chuvash 21.59
17 Austrian 22.56
18 Swedish 22.8
19 Norwegian 24.37
20 Mari 26.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.8% East_Finnish + 10.2% North_Swedish @ 1.79
2 58% East_Finnish + 42% Finnish @ 1.83
3 81.8% East_Finnish + 18.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.83
4 93.2% East_Finnish + 6.8% Norwegian @ 1.83
5 92.9% East_Finnish + 7.1% Swedish @ 1.87
6 94.7% East_Finnish + 5.3% West_Scottish @ 1.9
7 94.5% East_Finnish + 5.5% Danish @ 1.93
8 94.7% East_Finnish + 5.3% Irish @ 1.93
9 94.6% East_Finnish + 5.4% Orcadian @ 1.93
10 95.3% East_Finnish + 4.7% Southwest_English @ 2.01
11 95.1% East_Finnish + 4.9% Southeast_English @ 2.01
12 94.6% East_Finnish + 5.4% Dutch @ 2.04
13 95.1% East_Finnish + 4.9% German @ 2.16
14 92.4% Finnish + 7.6% Mari @ 2.18
15 96.8% Finnish + 3.2% Selkup @ 2.22
16 97.9% East_Finnish + 2.1% French_Basque @ 2.3
17 96.9% Finnish + 3.1% Ket @ 2.31
18 97.2% East_Finnish + 2.8% French @ 2.36
19 98.2% East_Finnish + 1.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.4
20 98.1% East_Finnish + 1.9% Southwest_French @ 2.42

[MfA_]

Ok I started something like MDS collaboration.. I'll add anyone to the main MDS plot who enters his/her results into the spreadsheet..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndGlMazRoUXptekRSR2VUc2dpdVM0e nc#gid=0

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103004-Post-your-updated-Eurogenes-K13-GEDmatch-results&p=2120192&viewfull=1#post2120192

Edit: fixed

[orangepulp]

Oracle is updated and PCA option is available..

How do I do the PCA, what doI select for the Axis?

[MfA_]

How do I do the PCA, what doI select for the Axis?

i don't know see previous posts..

[orangepulp]

Ok I started something like MDS collaboration.. I'll add anyone to the main MDS plot who enters his/her results into the spreadsheet..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndGlMazRoUXptekRSR2VUc2dpdVM0e nc#gid=0

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103004-Post-your-updated-Eurogenes-K13-GEDmatch-results&p=2120192&viewfull=1#post2120192

Edit: fixed

I added some results to the spreadsheet.

[MfA_]

I added some results to the spreadsheet.

I see, thanks.. Don't spam random individuals though, it would make MDS crowded and hard to see ID's..

[orangepulp]

I see, thanks.. Don't spam random individuals though, it would make MDS crowded and hard to see ID's..

I just entered 4 results and btw, when I entered my results I noticed after a minute that my results and my aunts results changed slightly on its own in the spreadsheet. Why is that?

[MfA_]

I just entered 4 results and btw, when I entered my results I noticed after a minute that my results and my aunts results changed slightly on its own in the spreadsheet. Why is that?

You've entered Oracle 4 results, that is why..

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Red Sea is pretty much Arabian/SouthwestAsian but it's got some NortheastAfrican alleles. This calculator is just too similar to K15 in my opinion, there's no real comparison or difference between the two. Anyway, what's your actual ethnic background?!

Red Sea is not Southwest Asian, it's an entirely different component that's related to Southwest Asian but isn't the same.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

No the difference between you and I is that it's not always necessary to be a skeptic. Questioning everything is great, I am a questioner myself. But sometimes you just gotta take things as they are without further inspection becuase they are obviously already correct. Not to mention the fact that I actually have integrity and loyalty in friendships.

No you don't, and I'm sorry my interrogative temperament bothers you. Passively accepting anything as correct, particularly the results from these tools, is a recipe for disaster. Especially when people regularly fail to interpret their results in context almost all the time. We don't know where these components originated, the labels attached to them are arbitrary, the percentages fluctuate depending on how many Ks you use and the calculators are only as accurate as how many samples are in the data base.

According to David, this calculator will produce more accurate results for Central and South Asians. Questioning everything, especially the results from these calculators IS necessary, if you want a proper understanding of how they operate. But if you want to be a moron, who just accepts everything as it appears, because it "just seems obvious".

You know what also "just seems obvious"? That Papua New Guineans are Black people.

[Mazik]

Who is that Kven in the spreadsheet?

the % on the components seems quite Finnish-like, so it must be a person of Kven heritage? :O Never seen the results of a Kven before.

[Black Wolf]

Who is that Kven in the spreadsheet?

the % on the components seems quite Finnish-like, so it must be a person of Kven heritage? :O

There is a Kven? Interesting.

[Black Wolf]

WTF who is tampering with the spreadsheet?

[Black Wolf]

Wow whoever is doing that is a straight up fucking queer....You can't even let people who are genuinely interested in genetics explore it...Get a life bitch.

[Black Wolf]

MfA_ here are my results again for the spreadsheet.

Population
North_Atlantic 37.20%
Baltic 27.20%
West_Med 11.37%
West_Asian 7.31%
East_Med 9.84%
Red_Sea 1.40%
South_Asian 1.31%
East_Asian 0.40%
Siberian 1.53%
Amerindian 1.17%
Oceanian 1.15%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11%

[Sehnsucht]

Herr Hesselink's updated K13 GEDmatch results

Population
North_Atlantic 47.88%
Baltic 23.60%
West_Med 14.07%
West_Asian 4.59%
East_Med 4.55%
Red_Sea 1.35%
South_Asian 0.91%
East_Asian 1.16%
Siberian 1.11%
Amerindian 0.74%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.17
2 Dutch 3.6
3 Orcadian 4.05
4 German 4.43
5 Danish 4.47
6 Southwest_English 4.62
7 Irish 5.39
8 West_Scottish 5.69
9 Norwegian 7.51
10 Swedish 8.59
11 French 10.13
12 North_Swedish 13.69
13 Austrian 15.09
14 Hungarian 16.24
15 Spanish_Cataluna 17.47
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.57
17 Southwest_French 18.61
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.66
19 Portuguese 19.04
20 Spanish_Cantabria 19.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% Norwegian + 26.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.62
2 86.9% Orcadian + 13.1% North_Italian @ 1.76
3 88.9% Orcadian + 11.1% Tuscan @ 1.76
4 91.8% Orcadian + 8.2% Ashkenazi @ 1.77
5 73.4% Orcadian + 26.6% French @ 1.84
6 91.1% Orcadian + 8.9% Greek @ 1.86
7 71.8% Norwegian + 28.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.86
8 86.7% Dutch + 13.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.87
9 57.8% Norwegian + 42.2% French @ 1.88
10 73.7% Norwegian + 26.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.89
11 70.5% Norwegian + 29.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.9
12 71.1% Danish + 28.9% French @ 1.92
13 92.2% Danish + 7.8% Sardinian @ 1.93
14 92% Orcadian + 8% South_Italian @ 1.93
15 79.3% Southwest_English + 20.7% Hungarian @ 1.93
16 87.4% Dutch + 12.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.94
17 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Kazakh @ 1.94
18 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% Bulgarian @ 1.96
19 75.5% Norwegian + 24.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.97
20 92.7% Orcadian + 7.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.97

[Sehnsucht]

Herr Hesselink's Mother's updated K13 GEDmatch results

Population
North_Atlantic 44.87%
Baltic 23.51%
West_Med 13.35%
West_Asian 8.69%
East_Med 5.63%
Red_Sea 1.06%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12%
Siberian 1.52%
Amerindian 0.24%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German 3.36
2 Dutch 5.65
3 Southeast_English 6.62
4 Orcadian 7.27
5 Danish 7.45
6 Southwest_English 7.97
7 Irish 8.02
8 West_Scottish 8.67
9 Norwegian 9.32
10 Swedish 9.72
11 French 9.8
12 Austrian 12.5
13 Hungarian 13.74
14 North_Swedish 14.11
15 Spanish_Cataluna 17.48
16 Serbian 18.16
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.63
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.73
19 Portuguese 18.79
20 Southwest_French 19.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.9% Dutch + 10.1% Turkish @ 2.22
2 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Romanian @ 2.33
3 71.6% West_Scottish + 28.4% Romanian @ 2.34
4 75.8% Irish + 24.2% Bulgarian @ 2.35
5 74.2% West_Scottish + 25.8% Bulgarian @ 2.38
6 91.5% Dutch + 8.5% Armenian @ 2.39
7 87.1% Southeast_English + 12.9% Nogay @ 2.39
8 87.1% Orcadian + 12.9% Turkish @ 2.42
9 89% Orcadian + 11% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.46
10 91.7% Dutch + 8.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.56
11 91.5% Dutch + 8.5% Azeri_Jewish @ 2.58
12 89% Orcadian + 11% Armenian @ 2.58
13 91.7% Dutch + 8.3% Assyrian @ 2.59
14 88.7% Southeast_English + 11.3% Balkar @ 2.59
15 68.5% West_Scottish + 31.5% Serbian @ 2.6
16 97.1% German + 2.9% Mongolian @ 2.61
17 89.2% Southeast_English + 10.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.62
18 95.2% German + 4.8% Nogay @ 2.62
19 96.5% German + 3.5% Kirgiz @ 2.62
20 92.1% Dutch + 7.9% Abhkasian @ 2.63

My mom appears to be German once again.

[Sehnsucht]

Herr Hesselink's Maternal aunt's updated K13 GEDmatch results


Population
North_Atlantic 45.36%
Baltic 22.95%
West_Med 13.24%
West_Asian 8.89%
East_Med 5.31%
Red_Sea 1.49%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.33%
Siberian 0.83%
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.59%
Sub-Saharan -

# Population (source) Distance
1 German 3.73
2 Dutch 5.65
3 Southeast_English 6.44
4 Orcadian 7.12
5 Danish 7.23
6 Southwest_English 7.53
7 Irish 7.63
8 West_Scottish 8.3
9 Norwegian 9.46
10 French 9.79
11 Swedish 9.91
12 Austrian 13.2
13 Hungarian 14.47
14 North_Swedish 14.62
15 Spanish_Cataluna 17.44
16 Spanish_Galicia 18.57
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.6
18 Serbian 18.73
19 Portuguese 18.74
20 Southwest_French 19.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Orcadian + 10.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.39
2 87.4% Orcadian + 12.6% Turkish @ 2.44
3 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Armenian @ 2.45
4 89.4% Southeast_English + 10.6% North_Ossetian @ 2.51
5 89.1% Southeast_English + 10.9% Balkar @ 2.54
6 90.2% Dutch + 9.8% Turkish @ 2.55
7 77.3% Irish + 22.7% Bulgarian @ 2.55
8 75% Irish + 25% Romanian @ 2.58
9 91.7% Dutch + 8.3% Armenian @ 2.59
10 89.4% Orcadian + 10.6% Georgian @ 2.61
11 82.5% Irish + 17.5% Greek @ 2.62
12 75.7% West_Scottish + 24.3% Bulgarian @ 2.63
13 89.4% Orcadian + 10.6% Assyrian @ 2.63
14 89.9% Orcadian + 10.1% Abhkasian @ 2.64
15 73.2% West_Scottish + 26.8% Romanian @ 2.64
16 89.4% Southeast_English + 10.6% Adygei @ 2.66
17 88.8% Southeast_English + 11.2% Chechen @ 2.68
18 87.5% Orcadian + 12.5% Kumyk @ 2.69
19 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Azeri_Jewish @ 2.7
20 87.8% Southeast_English + 12.2% Nogay @ 2.72

[Jackson]

I'll add mine and my families results to spreadsheet now.

Wow Graham your Dad is very high in North Atlantic. :cool:

Edit: Well i started entering my results and then i got a message saying permissions had changed, and now i can't enter any data.

[MfA_]

I'll add mine and my families results to spreadsheet now.

Wow Graham your Dad is very high in North Atlantic. :cool:

Edit: Well i started entering my results and then i got a message saying permissions had changed, and now i can't enter any data.

I'm sorry.. I have to close, because apparently we have an unevolved ape who alters peoples results..

[Jackson]

I'm sorry.. I have to close, because apparently we have an unevolved ape who alters peoples results..

Ahh i see fair enough. :)

[MfA_]

Well if you guys repost your results in a tab separated format like this, I can add you manually..

Kven 33.73 48 7.06 0 0 1.05 2.14 1.88 5.03 0 0.08 1.03 0

[Graham]

I'm sorry.. I have to close, because apparently we have an unevolved ape who alters peoples results..

Noticed that. lol I bet it's an American. Sneaky lot.

[Black Wolf]

I'm sorry.. I have to close, because apparently we have an unevolved ape who alters peoples results..

Ya he/she is a true loser....Are mine still fine MfA_ because I posted them here for you?

[Graham]

Graham
54.84 23.71 10.83 4.57 3.57 0 0.21 0.35 0.1 0.17 1.29 0.31 0.05
Graham Mum
51.08 25.66 11.7 5.19 3.56 0 1.2 0.0 0.2 0.41 0.09 0.39 0.52
Graham Dad
56.18 20.79 10.8 2.84 6.87 0 0.94 0.45 0 0 0.71 0.06 0.36

[Graham]

I'll add mine and my families results to spreadsheet now.

Wow Graham your Dad is very high in North Atlantic. :cool:

Edit: Well i started entering my results and then i got a message saying permissions had changed, and now i can't enter any data.

Yeah My Dad gets that a lot. His ancestry is 1/2 Cumbrian 1/2 Scottish
Just in case any got deleted. I took a snap shot. Because I don't trust many on this forum to change things.
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/2969/x2rz.png

[MfA_]

Ya he/she is a true loser....Are mine still fine MfA_ because I posted them here for you?

I can manage yours, but please if you want to add your parents do it as I stated :)

[Jackson]

Yeah My Dad gets that a lot. His ancestry is 1/2 Cumbrian 1/2 Scottish
Just in case any got deleted. I took a snap shot. Because I don't trust many on this forum to change things.
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/2969/x2rz.png

That's a good idea.
He looks like a very northwestern British person, while my Grandmother is equally low in Baltic but is more shifted to the western Mediterranean and less to the Atlantic, so more typical of the far south-west instead i guess, both good examples of western Brits i would think. Would be interesting to see some Welsh samples, i think my Grandmother would be quite close to them.

[Jackson]

Jackson 45.3 24.24 12.62 5.63 7.06 1.98 1.37 0 0 0.5 0.74 0 0.56
Jackson Dad 48.8 24.83 12.85 3.39 6.09 1.93 0.86 0.49 0 0.76 0 0 0
Jackson Grandfather 49.5 25.86 10.92 4.47 7.21 0.08 1.02 0 0.87 0 0 0.07 0
Jackson Grandmother 51.52 21.56 15.26 6.25 1.59 1.78 0 1.59 0 0.22 0.22 0 0
Jackson Mother 42.77 24.43 14.55 8.96 6.15 0 1.73 0 0 0 0.78 0 0.63
Jackson Aunt 45.59 23.25 16.53 6.1 4.73 0 2.12 0 0.15 0.95 0.46 0 0.12

[Black Wolf]

My father's for MfA_ spreadsheet.

Population
North_Atlantic 23.61%
Baltic 28.02%
West_Med 12.33%
West_Asian 7.76%
East_Med 19.95%
Red_Sea 0.95%
South_Asian 1.34%
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.37%
Amerindian 1.82%
Oceanian 0.48%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

[Black Wolf]

My mother's.

Population
North_Atlantic 50.80%
Baltic 23.51%
West_Med 13.86%
West_Asian 7.84%
East_Med 0.53%
Red_Sea 0.21%
South_Asian 0.96%
East_Asian 0.30%
Siberian 0.51%
Amerindian 0.67%
Oceanian 0.58%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.23%

[Black Wolf]

My paternal grandfather's.

Population
North_Atlantic 17.11%
Baltic 6.85%
West_Med 19.35%
West_Asian 16.13%
East_Med 34.86%
Red_Sea 4.31%
South_Asian 0.23%
East_Asian 0.30%
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.06%
Northeast_African 0.79%
Sub-Saharan -

[Black Wolf]

My brother's.

Population
North_Atlantic 36.53%
Baltic 25.20%
West_Med 12.98%
West_Asian 8.16%
East_Med 10.25%
Red_Sea 1.76%
South_Asian 0.24%
East_Asian 0.65%
Siberian 1.86%
Amerindian 1.62%
Oceanian 0.22%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.52%

[Black Wolf]

My aunt's (mother's sister).


Population
North_Atlantic 51.71%
Baltic 23.32%
West_Med 11.45%
West_Asian 7.11%
East_Med 3.32%
Red_Sea 0.82%
South_Asian 0.19%
East_Asian 0.46%
Siberian 0.36%
Amerindian 0.28%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.98%

[Atlantic Islander]

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.05
2 West_Med 25.41
3 East_Med 14.77
4 Baltic 9.65
5 Red_Sea 3.62
6 West_Asian 1.92
7 Northeast_African 1.32
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 0.8
10 Oceanian 0.61
11 Amerindian 0.47
12 East_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Murcia 1.58
2 Portuguese 2.43
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 2.7
4 Spanish_Extremadura 2.83
5 Spanish_Valencia 3.58
6 Spanish_Cataluna 3.99
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4.02
8 Spanish_Galicia 4.12
9 Spanish_Andalucia 4.49
10 Spanish_Cantabria 5.92
11 Spanish_Aragon 6.18
12 Southwest_French 8.46
13 North_Italian 9.89
14 French 10.41
15 Tuscan 15.38
16 French_Basque 18.28
17 Southeast_English 20.59
18 Southwest_English 20.95
19 German 21.23
20 Serbian 22.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Spanish_Murcia + 30.1% Portuguese @ 1.32
2 99.5% Spanish_Murcia + 0.5% Papuan @ 1.43
3 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Mandenka @ 1.44
4 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Yoruban @ 1.44
5 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 1.45
6 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 1.45
7 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.46
8 98.9% Spanish_Murcia + 1.1% Saudi @ 1.46
9 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Luhya @ 1.46
10 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.47
11 99% Spanish_Murcia + 1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.48
12 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.48
13 98.5% Spanish_Murcia + 1.5% Algerian @ 1.49
14 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% San @ 1.49
15 98.9% Spanish_Murcia + 1.1% Egyptian @ 1.49
16 98.6% Spanish_Murcia + 1.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.5
17 99.5% Spanish_Murcia + 0.5% NAN_Melanesian @ 1.5
18 98.9% Spanish_Murcia + 1.1% East_Finnish @ 1.51
19 99% Spanish_Murcia + 1% Bedouin @ 1.51
20 98.8% Spanish_Murcia + 1.2% Finnish @ 1.51

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.813
3 Portuguese @ 3.353
4 Spanish_Valencia @ 3.510
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.523
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.098
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.187
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 4.913
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.986
10 Spanish_Aragon @ 6.382
179 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
2 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.934
3 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.205
4 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.358
5 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.373
6 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.494
7 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.546
8 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.580
9 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.624
10 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.660
16110 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.784
2 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.899
3 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
4 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.918
5 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.934
6 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.934
7 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.951
8 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.952
9 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.997
10 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.999
498798 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.784
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.899
3 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.918
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.934
6 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.951
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.952
8 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.997
9 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.999
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.008
11 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.009
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.062
13 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.080
14 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.084
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.092
16 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.096
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.101
18 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.105
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.120
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.138
2128994 iterations.

Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 Spanish_Murcia 92.05%
2 French 4.99%
3 Portuguese 1.37%
4 Saudi 0.71%
5 Mandenka 0.35%
6 Papuan 0.28%
7 Algerian 0.25%
8 Mozabite_Berber 0.00%
9 East_Finnish 0.00%
10 Moroccan 0.00%

Pct. Calc. Option 2
1 Spanish_Murcia 83.68%
2 Spanish_Aragon 7.74%
3 Southwest_Finnish 2.87%
4 Saudi 2.47%
5 Portuguese 1.86%
6 Mandenka 0.54%
7 North_Swedish 0.33%
8 Algerian 0.21%
9 Papuan 0.19%
10 Mozabite_Berber 0.11%

[Damião de Góis]

You can add me as well:

PT2 38.48 11.15 25.02 4.28 13.96 2.18 0.37 0 0 0 1.08 1.62 1.87

[Atlantic Islander]

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2i6m9o1.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/4lohw5.jpg

Wow, you actually got Portuguese first. I didn't this time. :mad:

[Black Wolf]

My great uncle's (maternal grandmother's brother).


Population
North_Atlantic 51.80%
Baltic 19.42%
West_Med 12.52%
West_Asian 5.01%
East_Med 4.45%
Red_Sea 3.77%
South_Asian 1.84%
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17%
Amerindian 0.78%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.26%

[Aila]

Well if you guys repost your results in a tab separated format like this, I can add you manually..

Kven 33.73 48 7.06 0 0 1.05 2.14 1.88 5.03 0 0.08 1.03 0



Aila 29.95 48.79 3.3 5.25 0 1.55 0 0 8.46 1.87 0 0 0.81

[MfA_]

My father's for MfA_ spreadsheet.

Population
North_Atlantic 23.61%
Baltic 28.02%
West_Med 12.33%
West_Asian 7.76%
East_Med 19.95%
Red_Sea 0.95%
South_Asian 1.34%
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.37%
Amerindian 1.82%
Oceanian 0.48%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

show some mercy dude, tab separated :/

[Oneeye]

Could I and my mother be added to that?

Oneeye: 46.78% 23.29% 13.14% 7.82% 5.64% 0.48% 0 0 0 1.94% 0.87% 0 0


Oneeye's Mother: 45.09% 27.61% 11.74% 7.60% 4.72% 0 0 0 0.43% 1.57% 0.46% 0.79% 0

[Gaita]

MfA_, can you add me as well

Gaita, 37.72 13.06 24.50 0.27 14.41 4.97 0 1.69 0.26 0.86 0.35 0.16 1.75

[Sehnsucht]

Can you please add me and my relatives to the spreadsheet as well? Thanks

Herr Hesselink: 47.88% 23.60% 14.07% 4.59% 4.55% 1.35% 0.91% 1.16% 1.11% 0.74% 0% 0% 0%

Herr Hesselink's mother: 44.87% 23.51% 13.35% 8.69% 5.63% 1.06% 0% 1.12% 1.52% 0.24% 0% 0% 0%

Herr Hesselink's aunt:45.36% 22.95% 13.24% 8.89% 5.31% 1.49% 0% 1.33% 0.83% 0% 0% 0.59% 0%

Herr Hesselink's grandmother: 48.62% 21.09% 13.42% 10.29% 2.82% 1.11% 0% 1.00% 0.68% 0% 0% 0.50% 0.46%

[Sea Warrior]

Hi MfA,

I had added my mother, grandmother, my wife, a few friends, and myself to the spreadsheet before it was locked. Do I need to post the results again or am I good to go?

Thanks in advance.

Sea Warrior

[Gaita]

MfA_, can you add my maternal uncle as well.
Thank you

gaita's uncle: 39.40 10.12 26.21 2.22 13.90 5.20 0.09 0 0.10 0.20 0.19 0.86 1.51

[Anglojew]

I think the Israelites did originate from the Assyrio-Mandean population. Mandeans who are Babylonians and Abraham was Babylonian. Also Assyrians were brothers to the Babylonians so I think the theory makes sense.

Mandeans were Judeans who followed John the Baptist but yes, Israelites originated in Northern Iraq.

[MfA_]

Hi MfA,

I had added my mother, grandmother, my wife, a few friends, and myself to the spreadsheet before it was locked. Do I need to post the results again or am I good to go?

Thanks in advance.

Sea Warrior

I'm afraid you need to repost here, I had to close to anonymous because of constant trolling..

[Sea Warrior]

I hope this works, as far as the formatting is concerned. If not please let me know.

Sea Warrior 48.81 23.99 13.69 4.35 5.06 2.48 0 0 0.92 0.44 0 0 0.25
Gorilla 44.41 22.19 16.26 9.32 4.76 0 1.95 0 0.16 0 0 0.31 0.58
Bubbles 39.16 29.21 13.72 7.58 6.53 0.71 1.21 0 0.2 0.94 0.74 0 0
SW Mother 43.52 25.54 12.29 6.25 7.12 2.82 0.99 0 0.59 0.47 0.41 0 0
SW Grandmother 48.08 23.5 14.8 8.66 2.74 0.36 0.36 0 0.71 0 0 0 0.76
Blondie 46.04 26.79 12.08 6.45 3.71 1.22 1.17 0 0 1.55 0.38 0 0.61

[Aila]

Is this correct Jaxman or did I mess it up?

Jaxman Father 23.61 28.02 12.33 7.76 19.95 0.95 1.34 0 3.37 1.82 0.48 0 0.36
Jaxman Mother 50.8 23.51 13.86 7.84 0.53 0.21 0.96 0.3 0.51 0.67 0.58 0 0.23
Jaxman Grandfather 17.11 6.85 19.35 16.13 34.86 4.31 0.23 0.3 0 0 0.06 0.79 0
Jaxman Brother 36.53 25.2 12.98 8.16 10.25 1.76 0.24 0.65 1.86 1.62 0.22 0 0.52
Jaxman Aunt 51.71 23.32 11.45 7.11 3.32 0.82 0.19 0.46 0.36 0.28 0 0 0.98
Jaxman Greatuncle 51.8 19.42 12.52 5.01 4.45 3.77 1.84 0 0.17 0.78 0 0 0.26

[Atlantic Islander]

An Azorean RF match:

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.63
2 Baltic 20.07
3 West_Med 19.21
4 East_Med 10.6
5 West_Asian 3.43
6 Red_Sea 3.31
7 South_Asian 1.39
8 Sub-Saharan 1.24
9 Northeast_African 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.32
11 Siberian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.03
2 Spanish_Galicia 9.74
3 Spanish_Cataluna 9.77
4 Portuguese 10
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.57
6 German 10.98
7 Spanish_Extremadura 11.96
8 Spanish_Murcia 12.09
9 Spanish_Cantabria 12.17
10 Spanish_Valencia 12.24
11 Southeast_English 12.43
12 Southwest_French 12.47
13 Austrian 12.8
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.95
15 Dutch 13.18
16 Southwest_English 13.63
17 Hungarian 14.17
18 Spanish_Andalucia 14.24
19 North_Italian 14.33
20 Orcadian 14.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 36.5% North_Swedish @ 2.27
2 67.7% Portuguese + 32.3% North_Swedish @ 2.28
3 88.6% French + 11.4% Ukrainian_West @ 2.65
4 68.5% Spanish_Galicia + 31.5% North_Swedish @ 2.66
5 90.5% French + 9.5% Russian @ 2.66
6 68.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 31.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.67
7 89.1% French + 10.9% Ukrainian @ 2.67
8 72.5% Portuguese + 27.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.68
9 91% French + 9% Belorussian @ 2.74
10 83.2% French + 16.8% Serbian @ 2.76
11 92.3% French + 7.7% Erzya @ 2.77
12 88.6% French + 11.4% Polish @ 2.78
13 82.7% French + 17.3% Hungarian @ 2.78
14 91% French + 9% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 2.79
15 91.7% French + 8.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.81
16 81.3% French + 18.7% Austrian @ 2.83
17 92.3% French + 7.7% Lithuanian @ 2.84
18 53.3% Spanish_Galicia + 46.7% German @ 2.94
19 55.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 44.9% Austrian @ 2.97
20 92.4% French + 7.6% East_Finnish @ 3.01

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 4.309
2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.925
3 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.020
4 Portuguese @ 11.406
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.926
6 German @ 12.269
7 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.547
8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 13.554
9 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.675
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 13.712
179 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.349
2 50% German +50% Portuguese @ 3.513
3 50% Austrian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.657
4 50% Dutch +50% North_Italian @ 3.704
5 50% Hungarian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.781
6 50% North_Italian +50% Norwegian @ 3.881
7 50% Austrian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.899
8 50% Austrian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.900
9 50% German +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.949
10 50% North_Italian +50% Swedish @ 4.129
16110 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Hungarian +25% Southeast_English @ 1.852
2 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Austrian +25% Southeast_English @ 1.859
3 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Austrian +25% Dutch @ 1.960
4 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Austrian +25% Danish @ 1.984
5 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Danish +25% Hungarian @ 2.066
6 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Austrian +25% German @ 2.139
7 50% Portuguese +25% Austrian +25% Dutch @ 2.171
8 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Austrian +25% Orcadian @ 2.171
9 50% Spanish_Galicia +25% Dutch +25% Hungarian @ 2.184
10 50% French +25% Austrian +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.191
434584 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Hungarian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.852
2 Austrian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.859
3 Austrian + Dutch + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.940
4 Austrian + Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.960
5 Hungarian + Portuguese + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.978
6 Austrian + Danish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.984
7 Austrian + Portuguese + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.013
8 Austrian + Danish + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.023
9 Austrian + Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.053
10 Austrian + Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.059
11 Danish + Hungarian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.066
12 Danish + Hungarian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.071
13 Danish + Hungarian + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.077
14 Austrian + Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.080
15 Austrian + Danish + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.095
16 Austrian + Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.112
17 Dutch + Hungarian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.116
18 Dutch + Hungarian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.138
19 Austrian + German + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.139
20 Dutch + Hungarian + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.140
1774888 iterations.

Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 French 63.93%
2 Spanish_Galicia 18.23%
3 Belorussian 12.44%
4 Portuguese 3.25%
5 Algerian 1.49%
6 Mandenka 0.66%
7 Moroccan 0.00%
8 Erzya 0.00%
9 Mbuti_Pygmy 0.00%
10 Mozabite_Berber 0.00%

Pct. Calc. Option 2
0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 French 58.65%
2 Southwest_English 8.42%
3 Erzya 7.43%
4 Belorussian 5.87%
5 Moroccan 5.10%
6 French_Basque 4.15%
7 Algerian 4.14%
8 Sardinian 3.47%
9 Spanish_Galicia 2.75%
10 Mbuti_Pygmy 0.00%

[Maleficent]

MfA, my M84 bro, please add me and my parents to your spreadsheet. I have in tab format:

FaerieQueene: 26.89 7.16 14.44 11.92 27.12 7.64 1.45 0 0 0.76 0.39 1.59 0.60
FQ Dad: 4.78 0 13.50 16.87 46.53 14.63 0.77 0 0 0 0.08 2.84 0
FQ Maw: 45.66 23.10 12.56 7.56 7.41 0.71 0.84 0 0 1.05 0.47 0.63 0

^^The spreadsheet requires Admixture Proportions, correct?!

[Thrax]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.75
2 North_Atlantic 20.34
3 West_Med 18.57
4 West_Asian 15.30
5 Baltic 15.20
6 Red_Sea 1.85


--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 5.562
2 Ashkenazi @ 11.479
3 Tuscan @ 12.911
4 Bulgarian @ 12.953
5 South_Italian @ 12.986
6 Romanian @ 15.396
7 Sephardic_Jewish @ 18.095
8 North_Italian @ 18.627
9 Serbian @ 20.222
10 Cyprian @ 24.252
179 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% South_Italian @ 4.717
2 50% Austrian +50% Cyprian @ 4.969
3 50% Cyprian +50% Serbian @ 5.409
4 50% Romanian +50% South_Italian @ 5.452
5 50% Bulgarian +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.499
6 50% Greek +50% Greek @ 5.562
7 50% Romanian +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.571
8 50% Cyprian +50% Hungarian @ 5.573
9 50% Ashkenazi +50% Bulgarian @ 5.763
10 50% Bulgarian +50% Greek @ 6.160
16110 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tuscan @ 3.749
2 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% North_Italian @ 3.751
3 50% Greek +25% Austrian +25% Cyprian @ 3.758
4 50% Cyprian +25% Bulgarian +25% German @ 3.875
5 50% Greek +25% Cyprian +25% Hungarian @ 3.977
6 50% Romanian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tuscan @ 4.111
7 50% Cyprian +25% German +25% Romanian @ 4.153
8 50% Greek +25% Ashkenazi +25% Romanian @ 4.184
9 50% Cyprian +25% Bulgarian +25% Southeast_English @ 4.197
10 50% Cyprian +25% Bulgarian +25% Dutch @ 4.214
573463 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 3.749
2 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian @ 3.751
3 Austrian + Cyprian + Greek + Greek @ 3.758
4 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Tuscan @ 3.830
5 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Cyprian + German @ 3.875
6 Cyprian + Greek + Greek + Hungarian @ 3.977
7 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Romanian + Tuscan @ 4.111
8 Cyprian + Cyprian + German + Romanian @ 4.153
9 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian + Romanian @ 4.181
10 Ashkenazi + Greek + Greek + Romanian @ 4.184
11 Greek + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian + Serbian @ 4.186
12 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Southeast_English @ 4.197
13 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Dutch @ 4.214
14 Austrian + Greek + Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.217
15 Greek + Hungarian + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 4.228
16 Austrian + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 4.234
17 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Tuscan @ 4.267
18 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Greek + Greek @ 4.298
19 Greek + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian + Romanian @ 4.321
20 Austrian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + South_Italian @ 4.336

[Thrax]

If you want to add me:
20.07 15.01 18.33 15.10 28.37 1.82 0 0.41 0 0.15 0.70 0 0

[MfA_]

I've just added rest of the crew
@Hevo bring it on

[Aila]

I've just added rest of the crew

Thank you very much Mfa_!
Please note -Jaxman Brother has 1.62 Amerindian (not 0.22)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103004-Post-your-updated-Eurogenes-K13-GEDmatch-results&p=2124212&viewfull=1#post2124212

[MfA_]

Thank you very much Mfa_!
Please note -Jaxman Brother has 1.62 Amerindian (not 0.22)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103004-Post-your-updated-Eurogenes-K13-GEDmatch-results&p=2124212&viewfull=1#post2124212

Thanks for the correction Aila.. I've just tested and preliminarily map looks good.. I'll also post zoomed versions for overrepresented sections, NW Euro and Iberia mostly..

[Graham]

Thanks for the correction Aila.. I've just tested and preliminarily map looks good.. I'll post zoomed version for some crowded of overrepresented sections, NW Euro and Iberia mostly..

Can you do me a favour. Make sure the names don't completely overlap. :P Those maps do my head in. lol

[MfA_]

Can you do me a favour. Make sure the names don't completely overlap. :P Those maps do my head in. lol

It won't lol

http://abload.de/img/desktop_2013_11_24_14u8ecd.png

[Graham]

That is a tease. lol

[Jackson]

It won't lol

http://abload.de/img/desktop_2013_11_24_14u8ecd.png

My eyesight is getting worse and worse!

[Graham]

Btw I am not surprised that My mum shows as more North Sea and my dad is Atlantic. It makes sense.

[orangepulp]

I'm sorry.. I have to close, because apparently we have an unevolved ape who alters peoples results..
I knew it, thats why the first time I added my results I saw a change. My results are correct now but before I fixed it I noticed my West Asian was decreased and added to African. I never really score African but it was added to more than 1%. Wonder who did that?

[Equilibrium]

@MfA: Could you add me, too, please? :cool:
Equilibrium 3.55 3.57 15.29 36.35 29.27 1.75 2.80 2.98 2.64 0.78 1.04 0.00 0.00


The EUtest still delivers the most precise Oracle results for me.

Admixture Proportions (sorted)

1 West_Asian 36,35%
2 East_Med 29,27%
3 West_Med 15,29%_______: 80,91%
4 Baltic 3,57%
5 North_Atlantic 3,55%
6 East_Asian 2,98%
7 South_Asian 2,80%
8 Siberian 2,64%
9 Red_Sea 1,75%
10 Oceanian 1,04%___________: 99,24%
11 Amerindian 0,78%__________: 100%
12 Northeast_African 0,00%
13 Sub-Saharan 0,00%

Single Population Sharing:

1 Turkish 7,55
2 Armenian 7,98
3 Georgian_Jewish 10,66
4 Kurdish 11,24
5 Azeri_Jewish 11,94
6 Assyrian 12,35
7 Iranian 14
8 Kumyk 15,63
9 Georgian 16,27
10 Abhkasian 17,44
11 Balkar 17,46
12 Lebanese_Muslim 17,64
13 Adygei 17,64
14 Turkmen 18,86
15 Cyprian 19,22
16 Syrian 19,49
17 North_Ossetian 19,77
18 Chechen 22,48
19 Lebanese_Druze 23,09
20 Lebanese_Christian 23,38

Mixed Mode Populations Sharing:

1 79,10% Armenian + 20,90% Nogay 4,39
2 89,50% Armenian + 10,50% Kazakh 5,04
3 87,10% Armenian + 12,90% Uygur 5,1
4 86,10% Armenian + 13,90% Uzbeki 5,18
5 52,60% Abhkasian + 47,40% Cyprian 5,2
6 87,20% Armenian + 12,80% Hazara 5,22
7 89,90% Armenian + 10,10% Kirgiz 5,22
8 75,40% Turkish + 24,60% Abhkasian 5,27
9 90,50% Armenian + 9,50% Shors 5,27
10 90,90% Armenian + 9,10% Hakas 5,28
11 91,50% Armenian + 8,50% Altaian 5,44
12 90,30% Armenian + 9,70% Chuvash 5,48
13 90,80% Armenian + 9,20% Mari 5,52
14 92% Armenian + 8% Mongolian 5,55
15 52,90% Turkish + 47,10% Armenian 5,6
16 59,80% Abhkasian + 40,20% Sephardic_Jewish 5,63
17 75,40% Turkish + 24,60% Georgian 5,68
18 92,70% Armenian + 7,30% Tuvinian 5,68
19 74,70% Armenian + 25,30% Balkar 5,69
20 54,60% Georgian + 45,40% Cyprian 5,71

[orangepulp]

Well since everyone else is adding their family members do you think you can add my grandparents too,MFA?

Grandpa

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 41.98
2 East_Med 31.70
3 West_Med 10.32
4 North_Atlantic 4.95
5 South_Asian 4.71
6 Red_Sea 3.88
7 Baltic 1.25
8 Amerindian 1.21

Grandma:

1 West_Asian 38.61
2 East_Med 31.34
3 West_Med 15.68
4 Red_Sea 3.87
5 North_Atlantic 3.86
6 Baltic 2.94
7 Siberian 2.70
8 Oceanian 1.00

[MfA_]

Well since everyone else is adding their family members do you think you can add my grandparents too,MFA?


I can, no worries.. Just try using same format like others:


Equilibrium 3.55 3.57 15.29 36.35 29.27 1.75 2.80 2.98 2.64 0.78 1.04 0.00 0.00

[orangepulp]

orangepulp granny

3.82 2.91 15.54 38.27 31.06 3.84 0.89 0.00 2.67 0.00 0.99 0.00 0.00

orangepulp grandpa

5.01 1.32 10.15 41.63 31.66 3.96 4.60 0.21 0.00 1.23 0.00 0.24 0.00

Does it make a difference if the oracle 4 results are entered instead of the original one? Because for me and my aunt's results I added the oracle 4 results unintentionally. Should I change it with the original one? or maybe it doesn't matter much because the difference is very slight.

[MfA_]

orangepulp granny

3.82 2.91 15.54 38.27 31.06 3.84 0.89 0.00 2.67 0.00 0.99 0.00 0.00

orangepulp grandpa

5.01 1.32 10.15 41.63 31.66 3.96 4.60 0.21 0.00 1.23 0.00 0.24 0.00

Does it make a difference if the oracle 4 results are entered instead of the original one? Because for me and my aunt's results I added the oracle 4 results unintentionally. Should I change it with the original one? or maybe it doesn't matter much because the difference is very slight.

You should add normal versions not Oracle 4, PCA/MDS exaggerates the smallest differences by its nature..

[orangepulp]

You should add normal versions not Oracle 4, PCA/MDS exaggerates the smallest differences by its nature..

Then can you please edit my entry.
Thanks.

Me:

4.62 4.48 11.10 37.25 30.97 3.24 1.90 1.63 4.15 0.00 0.43 0.09 0.13


My aunt:

4.32 0.43 13.09 41.02 31.12 4.55 3.82 0.00 0.77 0.45 0.44 0.00 0.00

[Black Wolf]

So do we have maps and dendograms to look at now MfA_?...Thanks a bunch again man! Truly a great service you are doing for us DNA junkies ! :D

[MfA_]

So do we have maps and dendograms to look at now MfA_?...Thanks a bunch again man! Truly a great service you are doing for us DNA junkies ! :D
Thanks bro, I'll probably release at midnight.. Don't want to update constantly and waiting for more people to join.. There is currently noone from Balkan islands :/

[Atlantic Islander]

MfA_ can I still be added? Or are you finished?
My Azorean RF match would be an interesting addition. I'm only half Azorean, so it'd be neat to have a regular Azorean in there.

Just in case you are still adding people:

Me (PT9)
40.05 9.65 25.41 1.92 14.77 3.62 0.00 0.10 0.80 0.47 0.61 1.32 1.29
Azorean RF match
39.63 20.07 19.21 3.43 10.60 3.31 1.39 0.00 0.15 0.00 0.32 0.64 1.24

[Graham]

Too late. Meh. :P

Kidding.

[MfA_]

MfA_ can I still be added? Or are you finished?
My Azorean RF match would be an interesting addition. I'm only half Azorean, so it'd be neat to have a regular Azorean in there.

Just in case you are still adding people:

Me (PT9)
40.05 9.65 25.41 1.92 14.77 3.62 0.00 0.10 0.80 0.47 0.61 1.32 1.29
Azorean RF match
39.63 20.07 19.21 3.43 10.60 3.31 1.39 0.00 0.15 0.00 0.32 0.64 1.24

What I meant by midnight, is 4 hours left.. So now or never lol

[Elms]

I don't know if you are still adding, but here's mine just in case:

1.25 1.07 9.14 38.39 38.79 7.66 2.56 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.23 0.90 0.00

[Black Wolf]

Now to the really important question. What do you all think about the origins of the different components? Like which populations do you think they originated in? It would be nice to know.

[Graham]

Atlantic is probably in line with the Long barrow people, who put up the Megaliths, like Stonehenge.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Celtic_Europe.gifhttp://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif

[MfA_]

So do we have maps and dendograms to look at now MfA_?
I'm not sure about Dendrograms; Complete linkage excels at macro clusters (like nw european-ne european etc.) but it fails at micro clusters (like East Finnish - South Finnish etc). Single linkage is the opposite of that is better at micros, worse at macros.. So I'll stick with MDS this time..

BTW I added an Albanian reference group consists of 9 individuals..

[Black Wolf]

Atlantic is probably in line with the Long barrow people, who put up the Megaliths, like Stonehenge.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Celtic_Europe.gifhttp://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif

I see that the North_Atlantic component is very high all over Western and Northwestern Europe. French Basques and Irish seem to have the most of it.

[Graham]

The thing I always notice is how close the Danes or Dutch are to the Brit Isles in Atlantic. Would have expected a larger difference.

[Black Wolf]

Scots, French Basques and Irish seem to have the largest amounts of the North_Atlantic component. All West Europeans and even Scandinavians have a lot of it though on the whole.

[WOOHP]

The thing I always notice is how close the Danes or Dutch are to the Brit Isles in Atlantic. Would have expected a larger difference.

Only a sample of 4-5 Danes(one who is part British even).

EDIT: Hevo, there are 6 Dutchmen in the sample.

[Graham]

Only a sample of 4-5 Danes(one who is part British even).



Ok, that explains it. West Scotland is like 5 people also.

S.West, S.East England & Orkney have loads of samples.

[MfA_]

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_theapricity_case4.png
5672x5672 (http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_theapricity_2hjsfy.png)

Regional

http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_nwa_43csq8.png
http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_nwe_n4s9b.png
http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_iberia_3hhsfc.png

[Jackson]

Thanks for that Mfa.
Seems interesting, my mother clearly has a strong pull towards western Asia (looks like Georgian/Turkish, like in many of the Oracles) while it's less pronounced in my Aunt and quite pronounced in me considering i am one generation on. So my mother is between Germany and France and with a pull towards West Asia (again this fits well with the Oracle). My Grandmother is closest to Southwest English but with a a strong pull to the south-west, pretty similar to Graham's Dad, but i guess a south-western version instead.:P My Grandfather is just north of the Dutch average (he comes out Danish in the oracle, so makes sense i guess), and my Dad is closer to his father than his mother, and closest to SE English (good approximation for actual ancestry). It's interesting how mine, SeaWarrior and Herr Hesselink's mother's seem to have formed a group in central-north Europe lol. And i'm in the middle but closest to my aunt and mother, makes sense.

[Black Wolf]

Very interesting thanks MfA_! My brother and I are closest to Austrians on the map which is in line with our Oracle results. Our mixed European ancestry makes us look that way genetically. My father's position also makes sense. My mother looks very Irish while my aunt seems to have more of a pull towards England. My great uncle seems to look English on the map.

[Elms]

I was too late! :sad:

[Oneeye]

What is my name covering up on that plot? German? And who is Blondie?

[Aila]

What is my name covering up on that plot? German?

German.
Look under "Regional" Spoiler! - below the main plot picture.

[sonofthedutch]

Here we go!!!!!!

1 North_Atlantic 53.80
2 Baltic 20.84
3 West_Med 13.08
4 West_Asian 6.91
5 East_Med 4.31
6 Sub-Saharan 1.05

[Qorgyle]

Could you add me to the table as well MfA?

21.97 30.05 14.21 6.18 14.67 5.93 2.6 0 3.47 0 0 0.91 0

In my first post in the thread i got some of the numbers wrong because I was posting it from my phone since my laptops keyboard went to hell. These results be accurate now.

[Alessio]

Oracle-4

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.26
2 West_Med 18.4
3 East_Med 16.48
4 Baltic 12.54
5 West_Asian 11.6
6 Red_Sea 2.52
7 Siberian 0.82
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Northeast_African 0.13

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 10.967
2 French @ 11.644
3 Portuguese @ 12.142
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.481
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 12.781
6 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.165
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.632
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 13.645
9 Spanish_Valencia @ 14.091
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.277
179 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Italian +50% West_Scottish @ 3.972
2 50% South_Italian +50% Southwest_English @ 4.114
3 50% Irish +50% South_Italian @ 4.230
4 50% Orcadian +50% South_Italian @ 4.803
5 50% South_Italian +50% Southeast_English @ 5.140
6 50% Danish +50% South_Italian @ 5.317
7 50% Greek +50% Southwest_English @ 6.066
8 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% West_Scottish @ 6.148
9 50% Irish +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.185
10 50% Dutch +50% South_Italian @ 6.247
16110 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Assyrian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.278
2 50% Southwest_English +25% Assyrian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.289
3 50% Southwest_English +25% Assyrian +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.305
4 50% Southwest_English +25% Assyrian +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.423
5 50% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Azeri_Jewish +25% West_Scottish @ 3.490
6 50% Southeast_English +25% Armenian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.507
7 50% Southwest_English +25% Assyrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.527
8 50% Southeast_English +25% Azeri_Jewish +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.535
9 50% Southwest_English +25% Assyrian +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.553
10 50% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Azeri_Jewish +25% Irish @ 3.648
650651 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.170
2 Azeri_Jewish + French + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.253
3 Azeri_Jewish + French + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 3.267
4 Assyrian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.278
5 Assyrian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.289
6 Assyrian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.305
7 Assyrian + French + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 3.314
8 Azeri_Jewish + French + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.352
9 Azeri_Jewish + French + Irish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.403
10 Assyrian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.405
11 Assyrian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.423
12 Azeri_Jewish + French + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.434
13 Armenian + French + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 3.467
14 Assyrian + French + Irish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.477
15 Azeri_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 3.490
16 Azeri_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 3.500
17 Assyrian + French + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.503
18 Armenian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.507
19 Armenian + French + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.507
20 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Southeast_English @ 3.526

Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.26
2 West_Med 18.4
3 East_Med 16.48
4 Baltic 12.54
5 West_Asian 11.6
6 Red_Sea 2.52
7 Siberian 0.82
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Northeast_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 9.61
2 French 10.17
3 Portuguese 10.72
4 Spanish_Cataluna 11.09
5 Spanish_Extremadura 11.36
6 Spanish_Murcia 11.62
7 Spanish_Galicia 12.01
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.07
9 Spanish_Valencia 12.54
10 Spanish_Andalucia 12.73
11 Tuscan 12.74
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.25
13 Spanish_Cantabria 14.69
14 Romanian 15.52
15 Spanish_Aragon 15.69
16 Serbian 16.1
17 Southwest_French 16.18
18 Bulgarian 17.2
19 German 17.87
20 Austrian 18.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.4% Southwest_English + 46.6% South_Italian @ 3.13
2 51.1% West_Scottish + 48.9% South_Italian @ 3.24
3 81.6% French + 18.4% Armenian @ 3.27
4 51.4% Irish + 48.6% South_Italian @ 3.49
5 81.3% French + 18.7% Azeri_Jewish @ 3.5
6 81.9% French + 18.1% Assyrian @ 3.63
7 64.5% Southwest_English + 35.5% Cyprian @ 3.7
8 82.1% French + 17.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.75
9 52.1% Orcadian + 47.9% South_Italian @ 3.81
10 54.8% Southeast_English + 45.2% South_Italian @ 3.81
11 58% Southwest_English + 42% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.88
12 78.5% French + 21.5% Turkish @ 3.94
13 56% Irish + 44% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.27
14 80.6% French + 19.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.27
15 64.7% Tuscan + 35.3% West_Scottish @ 4.28
16 55.8% West_Scottish + 44.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.29
17 64.5% Tuscan + 35.5% Irish @ 4.29
18 82.2% French + 17.8% Kurdish @ 4.31
19 80.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 19.9% Lezgin @ 4.34
20 82.1% French + 17.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.36

[Thrax]

A shame we don't have more greek results, I would like to see where other greek people cluster. I seem to be more balkan than italian oriented.

[Graham]

Tried lining up some averages together on MFA's map

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/8523/dplo.png

[Graham]

Btw noticed the Azores next to France, away from the Iberians.

[Alessio]

Hahaha your results are better for me than my own :p


Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 10.942
2 Romanian @ 12.032
3 Tuscan @ 12.597
4 Serbian @ 13.281
5 Bulgarian @ 13.845
6 French @ 14.893
7 Portuguese @ 15.270
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.183
9 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.429
10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.675
175 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% South_Italian @ 2.123
2 50% Dutch +50% South_Italian @ 2.221
3 50% Danish +50% South_Italian @ 3.272
4 50% Orcadian +50% South_Italian @ 3.548
5 50% Norwegian +50% South_Italian @ 3.591
6 50% Norwegian +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.593
7 50% Dutch +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.657
8 50% South_Italian +50% Swedish @ 3.725
9 50% South_Italian +50% Southeast_English @ 3.772
10 50% Irish +50% South_Italian @ 3.800
15400 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 1.520
2 50% German +25% Lebanese_Muslim +25% North_Italian @ 1.675
3 50% Irish +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 1.700
4 50% Dutch +25% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Tuscan @ 1.827
5 50% South_Italian +25% Dutch +25% German @ 1.888
6 50% Orcadian +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 1.905
7 50% Southwest_English +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 2.065
8 50% Danish +25% Cyprian +25% Greek @ 2.072
9 50% South_Italian +25% German +25% Norwegian @ 2.085
10 50% South_Italian +25% Danish +25% German @ 2.098
511171 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian + Greek + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.520
2 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + West_Scottish @ 1.568
3 Cyprian + Greek + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.575
4 Cyprian + Greek + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.602
5 Cyprian + Danish + Greek + West_Scottish @ 1.612
6 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + Southwest_English @ 1.614
7 Cyprian + Danish + Greek + Southwest_English @ 1.645
8 German + German + Lebanese_Muslim + North_Italian @ 1.675
9 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + Irish @ 1.700
10 Cyprian + Greek + Irish + Orcadian @ 1.708
11 German + Greek + Irish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.715
12 Cyprian + Danish + Greek + Irish @ 1.723
13 German + Lebanese_Muslim + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.739
14 Cyprian + Greek + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.757
15 German + Irish + Lebanese_Christian + North_Italian @ 1.760
16 German + Lebanese_Muslim + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 1.778
17 Cyprian + German + Irish + Tuscan @ 1.792
18 German + Irish + Lebanese_Muslim + Tuscan @ 1.808
19 Assyrian + Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.822
20 Dutch + Dutch + Lebanese_Muslim + Tuscan @ 1.827

[Black Wolf]

How do people like this run? I know that Polako wants feedback about it. How do you like it compared to other calculators?

[Alessio]

I've read that crazy theorie on Imninalu that Rroma Gyspies are Indian Jews originally..I don't believe it though


here is my harappa world it is good for southasians and also my mdlp which is good for eastern euros
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 23.93
2 Caucasian 23.47
3 Mediterranean 21.36
4 Baloch 12.30
5 S-Indian 11.00
6 SW-Asian 5.03
7 Papuan 1.06
8 NE-Asian 0.93
9 American 0.92


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 romanian-b @ 16.790
2 romanian-a @ 17.307
3 tuscan @ 17.879
4 tuscan @ 17.942
5 bulgarian @ 18.122
6 tuscan @ 18.154
7 ashkenazi @ 19.049
8 ashkenazy-jew @ 20.881
9 italian @ 21.192
10 serbian @ 21.943
377 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% romanian-a +50% romanian-b @ 5.004
2 50% romanian-b +50% serbian @ 6.052
3 50% bulgarian +50% romanian-b @ 6.068
4 50% italian +50% romanian-b @ 6.196
5 50% sephardic-jew +50% singapore-indian-d @ 7.585
6 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% singapore-indian-d @ 7.611
7 50% romanian-b +50% tuscan @ 7.613
8 50% romanian-b +50% tuscan @ 7.683
9 50% romanian-b +50% tuscan @ 7.912
10 50% french +50% romanian-b @ 8.200
71253 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% tuscan +25% bengali-brahmin +25% bulgarian @ 1.890
2 50% tuscan +25% brahmin-uttar-pradesh +25% bulgarian @ 1.918
3 50% bulgarian +25% cochin-jew +25% tuscan @ 1.984
4 50% tuscan +25% bengali-brahmin +25% bulgarian @ 1.987
5 50% tuscan +25% bulgarian +25% vaish @ 2.023
6 50% tuscan +25% bihari-muslim +25% bulgarian @ 2.031
7 50% tuscan +25% bihari-muslim +25% bulgarian @ 2.031
8 50% tuscan +25% brahmin-uttar-pradesh +25% bulgarian @ 2.075
9 50% bulgarian +25% cochin-jew +25% tuscan @ 2.076
10 50% romanian-a +25% cochin-jew +25% tuscan @ 2.121
5266372 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.890
2 bulgarian + cochin-jew + romanian-a + tuscan @ 1.915
3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.918
4 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.928
5 bulgarian + cochin-jew + romanian-a + tuscan @ 1.961
6 bulgarian + bulgarian + cochin-jew + tuscan @ 1.984
7 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.987
8 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 1.987
9 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.020
10 bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan + vaish @ 2.023
11 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.031
12 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.031
13 bengali-brahmin + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.057
14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.075
15 bulgarian + bulgarian + cochin-jew + tuscan @ 2.076
16 bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan + vaish @ 2.077
17 bulgarian + cochin-jew + romanian-a + tuscan @ 2.091
18 bihari-muslim + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.115
19 cochin-jew + romanian-a + romanian-a + tuscan @ 2.121
20 brahmin-uttar-pradesh + bulgarian + tuscan + tuscan @ 2.125

could the tuscan be a substitute for jewish? how tuscan, that is italian

mdlp world22
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 27.68
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 26.72
3 West-Asian 18.82
4 Indian 11.57
5 Near_East 9.72
6 Indo-Iranian 1.51
7 East-South-Asian 1.39
8 Samoedic 0.96
9 North-European-Mesolithic 0.89
10 Austronesian 0.75


--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romania @ 13.754
2 Greek_South @ 14.868
3 Gagauz @ 15.423
4 Greek_North @ 15.573
5 Ashkenazim_V @ 15.682
6 Bulgarian @ 17.343
7 Tatar_Crim @ 17.502
8 Jew_Romania @ 18.544
9 Greek_Center @ 18.837
10 Macedonian @ 19.290
276 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Macedonian +50% Roma @ 4.173
2 50% Bulgarian +50% Roma @ 4.462
3 50% Roma +50% Serbian @ 4.727
4 50% Gagauz +50% Roma @ 4.990
5 50% Montenegrin +50% Roma @ 5.110
6 50% Bosnian +50% Roma @ 5.673
7 50% Roma +50% Romania @ 6.591
8 50% Croatian +50% Roma @ 6.781
9 50% Hungarian +50% Roma @ 7.241
10 50% Austrian +50% Roma @ 7.978
38226 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +25% Greek_Center +25% Jew_India @ 1.656
2 50% Serbian +25% Greek_East +25% Jew_India @ 1.695
3 50% Montenegrin +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Jew_India @ 1.725
4 50% Serbian +25% Greek_South +25% Jew_India @ 1.849
5 50% Serbian +25% Italian-Center +25% Jew_India @ 1.856
6 50% Serbian +25% Jew_India +25% Jew_Romania @ 1.866
7 50% Gagauz +25% Jew_India +25% Swiss @ 1.904
8 50% Montenegrin +25% Greek_South +25% Jew_India @ 1.909
9 50% Italian-Center +25% Jew_India +25% Polish @ 1.963
10 50% Macedonian +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Jew_India @ 1.986
3264784 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_East + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian-West @ 1.458
2 Jew_India + Jew_Romania + Kosovar + Ukrainian-West @ 1.469
3 Greek_East + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian_V @ 1.483
4 Greek_Center + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian-West @ 1.499
5 Greek_Cretan + Jew_India + Provancestralal + Ukrainian-West @ 1.506
6 Greek_Center + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian_V @ 1.514
7 Hungarian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.517
8 Czech + Gagauz + Italian-South + Jew_India @ 1.534
9 Greek_East + Italian-North + Jew_India + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.535
10 Bosnian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Serbian @ 1.541
11 Hungarian + Italian-Center + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.551
12 Croatian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.559
13 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Italian-Center + Jew_India @ 1.564
14 Italian-South + Jew_India + Latvian_V + Provancestralal @ 1.566
15 Jew_India + Jew_Romania + Kosovar + Ukrainian_V @ 1.566
16 Bulgarian + Italian-South + Jew_India + Slovenian @ 1.570
17 Greek_South + Jew_India + Macedonian + Serbian @ 1.571
18 Croatian + Italian-Center + Jew_India + Macedonian @ 1.578
19 Greek_South + Jew_India + Montenegrin + Serbian @ 1.579
20 Italian-North + Italian-South + Jew_India + Ukrainian-East @ 1.585

i dont know what the greek and italian substitutes, but there is indian type ancestry and either balkan or jewish, it is hard to tell i guess when you are southeuropean with roma because it could be a mix which is similar to jewish, i guess in northern europeans it is easier to tell

[HellLander87]

In the previous version I was taking too much spanish_extremadura+spanish_castillan...which was annoying. now i think it's fixed for my case

[Alessio]

Why don't you try FTDNA's family finder ??

no it is not confirmed, 23andme didnt confirmed it. their response left me unsatisfied and without knowledge and confirmation

[Jackson]

How do people like this run? I know that Polako wants feedback about it. How do you like it compared to other calculators?

Allowing for overlaps between close populations and peculiarities in parts of my own family, it seems very accurate. EUtest was only more accurate because the group he used for the English was different (rather than SE English and SW English - I assume an intermediary between SE English and Cornish). I guess the 'English' group on EUtest better fit my family, but as these groups are all from my population group, i guess we are just towards the extremities of the group rather than in the core close to the average.

[Graham]

It is very alike to K15. From a British Perspective, which I can only give.

We have it split by West Atlantic & East North Sea, and nearly now South with the English.

The English pull closer to the Germans than the Orcadians, who pull closer to the Scandos.

In that respect it is good.

[Jackson]

It is very alike to K15. From a British Perspective, which I can only give.

We have it split by West Atlantic & East North Sea, and nearly now South with the English.

The English pull closer to the Germans than the Orcadians, who pull closer to the Scandos.

In that respect it is good.

It would still be interesting to see where the individual members of each group plot too, then one could allocate an area of normal distribution around the average and see the overlap. For example while i know my mother is definitely outside the normal range, i don't know about other family members. So if say a lot of the Brits actually plotted where my Grandfather or Aunt did, it would be easier to understand whether this is just due to variation within a group or not.

[Black Wolf]

It would still be interesting to see where the individual members of each group plot too, then one could allocate an area of normal distribution around the average and see the overlap. For example while i know my mother is definitely outside the normal range, i don't know about other family members. So if say a lot of the Brits actually plotted where my Grandfather or Aunt did, it would be easier to understand whether this is just due to variation within a group or not.

I see that my great uncle falls fairly close to one of your relatives on the plot Jackson.

[Jackson]

I see that my great uncle falls fairly close to one of your relatives on the plot Jackson.

Yeah he falls pretty close to my Grandmother :). A bit more to the south and east though. Her ancestry is 1/2 from Cheshire, 1/4 from London and 1/8 each from Devon and Hertfordshire, if i remember correctly.

[Graham]

I like the look of that when you split East & West England.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8549/sbm6.png

[Black Wolf]

Yeah he falls pretty close to my Grandmother :). A bit more to the south and east though. Her ancestry is 1/2 from Cheshire, 1/4 from London and 1/8 each from Devon and Hertfordshire, if i remember correctly.

My great uncle here is my maternal grandmother's brother. He was born and raised in Northern Ireland and is from a Protestant family. Most of his ancestry is probably mixed Scottish and English origins mainly before they arrived in Ireland.

[Black Wolf]

I like the look of that when you split East & West England.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8549/sbm6.png

So does my great uncle here fall in far Southeast England then?

[Graham]

Fuck knows. what's his ancestry. You know as much as I. :P

Looking at French. I'd like see how a Frenchman of the North West or of Brittany, would place with SW England. Maybe in between like your greatuncle.

His closest on chart, is Jackson's Gran. Who's ancestry heads towards the SW England. Like the chart.

[Jackson]

I like the look of that when you split East & West England.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8549/sbm6.png

That is interesting, looks a lot clearer when you highlight them. Like you say it seems as much of a south/north split as an east/west one. It's interesting that my father landed where he did, seems he takes after his mother in everything but his genetics lol. I think my aunt (father's sister) might end up pretty much exactly on Southeast English, or between SE and SW. I was thinking about asking my grandfather's sister if she wanted to take part too, that would be quite interesting.

[Jackson]

So does my great uncle here fall in far Southeast England then?

Probably not far from where many Belgians would land, thinking about it? South of Britain, north of France, but not as east as Germany or the Netherlands. I would have thought they would form a group a bit south of the English groups that adjoins onto the yellow group.

[Black Wolf]

Probably not far from where many Belgians would land, thinking about it? South of Britain, north of France, but not as east as Germany or the Netherlands. I would have thought they would form a group a bit south of the English groups that adjoins onto the yellow group.

Interesting.

[Jackson]

Interesting.

That's just a personal observation, i might be wrong. But Belgians tend to be a bit south of England and west of Germany and the Netherlands, although if i remember correctly a few end up in with the Dutch, Flemish i would guess.

[Black Wolf]

Fuck knows. what's his ancestry. You know as much as I. :P

Looking at French. I'd like see how a Frenchman of the North West or of Brittany, would place with SW England. Maybe in between like your greatuncle.

His closest on chart, is Jackson's Gran. Who's ancestry heads towards the SW England. Like the chart.

I mentioned it a few posts back to Jackson. He is from Northern Ireland from a Protestant family. Most of his ancestors probably came from both Scotland and England before they arrived in Ireland. We also know of one Huguenot line.

[Graham]

Belgians would end up between the Dutch & French. Not complicated. :P

[Kazimiera]

North_Atlantic 39.23%
Baltic 31.34%
-----------------------------------
West_Med 10.61%
-----------------------------------
West_Asian 6.15%
East_Med 4.48%
Sub-Saharan 2.60%
Amerindian 1.37%
Oceanian 1.32%
-----------------------------------
South_Asian 0.93%
East_Asian 0.82%
Northeast_African 0.70%
Siberian 0.46%
------------------------------------
Red_Sea -


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German @ 8.885
2 North_Swedish @ 9.494
3 Swedish @ 9.673
4 Austrian @ 9.965
5 Hungarian @ 10.353
6 Dutch @ 10.669
7 Norwegian @ 11.170
8 Danish @ 13.798
9 Polish @ 14.204
10 Orcadian @ 14.232


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Swedish @ 3.309
2 50% Orcadian +50% Polish @ 3.626
3 50% Irish +50% Polish @ 3.651
4 50% Ukrainian_West +50% West_Scottish @ 3.661
5 50% Danish +50% Polish @ 3.676
6 50% Austrian +50% Swedish @ 3.690
7 50% Danish +50% Ukrainian_West @ 3.711
8 50% Irish +50% Ukrainian_West @ 3.757
9 50% Polish +50% Southeast_English @ 3.758
10 50% Hungarian +50% Norwegian @ 3.772
16110 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Hungarian +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.199
2 50% German +25% Swedish +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.264
3 50% Irish +25% Hungarian +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.264
4 50% Norwegian +25% Austrian +25% Ukrainian_West @ 3.281
5 50% Swedish +25% French +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.286
6 50% Orcadian +25% Austrian +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.288
7 50% German +25% Russian +25% Swedish @ 3.305
8 50% Hungarian +25% Swedish +25% Swedish @ 3.309
9 50% Swedish +25% Hungarian +25% Hungarian @ 3.309
10 50% Danish +25% Hungarian +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.346
369256 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Hungarian + Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian_West @ 3.128
2 Hungarian + Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian @ 3.145
3 Hungarian + Swedish + Ukrainian_West + West_Scottish @ 3.164
4 Hungarian + Irish + Polish + Swedish @ 3.165
5 Austrian + Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian @ 3.166
6 Austrian + Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian_West @ 3.177
7 Austrian + Southwest_English + Swedish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.178
8 Hungarian + Irish + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.178
9 Hungarian + Swedish + Ukrainian + West_Scottish @ 3.181
10 Hungarian + Orcadian + Swedish + Ukrainian_West @ 3.182
11 Danish + Hungarian + Swedish + Ukrainian_West @ 3.183
12 Hungarian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.189
13 Austrian + Danish + Swedish + Ukrainian_West @ 3.195
14 Austrian + Orcadian + Swedish + Ukrainian_West @ 3.198
15 Hungarian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.199
16 Hungarian + Orcadian + Polish + Swedish @ 3.200
17 Austrian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.202
18 Danish + Hungarian + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.210
19 Austrian + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Northeast + West_Scottish @ 3.211
20 Austrian + Irish + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.216

[noricum]

MfA! Why oh why did you forgett about me? MfA!?

34.35 34.42 13.15 3.82 10.84 1.40 1.43 0.00 0.39 0.00 0.11 0.10 0.00

Oh MfA...

[Alessio]

Me too...:mad:


I was too late! :sad:

[Jackson]

Mfa is it possible to also make a Dendrogram for this? Would also be very interesting.

[Maleficent]

What ethnicity would you guys guess my mom based on the plot?!

[Atlantic Islander]

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[JQP4545]

How do people like this run? I know that Polako wants feedback about it. How do you like it compared to other calculators?

Best one for me so far.

[JQP4545]

Why is the South Asian component so high on this?

[JQP4545]

Population
North_Atlantic 37.81%
Baltic 21.65%
West_Med 15.88%
West_Asian 7.58%
East_Med 13.80%
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.69%
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.35%
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.25%
Northeast_African 0.62%
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Greek + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.526
2 Bulgarian + Danish + Danish + Tuscan @ 2.667
3 Bulgarian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.769
4 Ashkenazi + Austrian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.776
5 German + Serbian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.799
6 Bulgarian + Danish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.799
7 Danish + Romanian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.807
8 Ashkenazi + Austrian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.808
9 Greek + Hungarian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.833
10 Bulgarian + Danish + German + North_Italian @ 2.860
11 Norwegian + Romanian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.865
12 Danish + Danish + Romanian + Tuscan @ 2.875
13 Bulgarian + Danish + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 2.886
14 Danish + German + Romanian + Tuscan @ 2.886
15 Austrian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.898
16 Danish + German + Serbian + Tuscan @ 2.913
17 Bulgarian + Danish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.927
18 Bulgarian + Danish + Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.944
19 Hungarian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.950
20 Danish + Dutch + Romanian + Tuscan @ 2.951

[Maleficent]

Why is the South Asian component so high on this?

A better question would be: Why do I get way more South Asian than my parents, and we don't even have any known South Asian ancestry?!

[7eleven]

A better question would be: Why do I get way more South Asian than my parents, and we don't even have any known South Asian ancestry?!

Maybe your dad had a little fun with an indian woman and then boom you came out.

[StonyArabia]

A better question would be: Why do I get way more South Asian than my parents, and we don't even have any known South Asian ancestry?!

How much more?

[Black Wolf]

A better question would be: Why do I get way more South Asian than my parents, and we don't even have any known South Asian ancestry?!

Could it be that both of your parents results combined to give you more?

[Maleficent]

Maybe your dad had a little fun with an indian woman and then boom you came out.
That would mean my mom is Indian; and my mom also gets more South Asian than my dad, dipshit.
How much more?

FQ

Population
North_Atlantic 26.89%
Baltic 7.16%
West_Med 14.44%
West_Asian 11.92%
East_Med 27.12%
Red_Sea 7.64%
South_Asian 1.45%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.76%
Oceanian 0.39%
Northeast_African 1.59%
Sub-Saharan 0.60%

FQ Dad

Population
North_Atlantic 4.78%
Baltic -
West_Med 13.50%
West_Asian 16.87%
East_Med 46.53%
Red_Sea 14.63%
South_Asian 0.77%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.08%
Northeast_African 2.84%
Sub-Saharan -

FQ Maw

Population
North_Atlantic 45.66%
Baltic 23.10%
West_Med 12.56%
West_Asian 7.56%
East_Med 7.41%
Red_Sea 0.71%
South_Asian 0.84%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.05%
Oceanian 0.47%
Northeast_African 0.63%
Sub-Saharan -

^^It's pretty much a similar situation on almost every calculator.......:....

[StonyArabia]

^ probably noise I would say then based on this.

[Black Wolf]

That would mean my mom is Indian; and my mom also gets more South Asian than my dad, dipshit.

FQ

Population
North_Atlantic 26.89%
Baltic 7.16%
West_Med 14.44%
West_Asian 11.92%
East_Med 27.12%
Red_Sea 7.64%
South_Asian 1.45%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.76%
Oceanian 0.39%
Northeast_African 1.59%
Sub-Saharan 0.60%

FQ Dad

Population
North_Atlantic 4.78%
Baltic -
West_Med 13.50%
West_Asian 16.87%
East_Med 46.53%
Red_Sea 14.63%
South_Asian 0.77%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.08%
Northeast_African 2.84%
Sub-Saharan -

FQ Maw

Population
North_Atlantic 45.66%
Baltic 23.10%
West_Med 12.56%
West_Asian 7.56%
East_Med 7.41%
Red_Sea 0.71%
South_Asian 0.84%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.05%
Oceanian 0.47%
Northeast_African 0.63%
Sub-Saharan -

^^It's pretty much a similar situation on almost every calculator.......:....

Looks pretty noisy. I would not worry about it.

[Maleficent]

^ probably noise I would say then based on this.

Looks pretty noisy. I would not worry about it.
No ancient Veddoid connections in ancient Arabia for my dad?! :(

Or maybe since U2e diverged from South Asian U2i 50kya it is left over in my mom?!:confused:

:P:P:P:P:P

[Black Wolf]

No ancient Veddoid connections in ancient Arabia for my dad?! :(

Or maybe since U2e diverged from South Asian U2i 50kya it is left over in my mom?!:confused:

:P:P:P:P:P

:lol: :P

[Qorgyle]

I got 2.6 south asian as well which is pretty weird, but it might have something to do with my central asian ancestry.

[Patches]

Eurogenes K13(Chromosome View):
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/23megen_zpsfcf96b23.png (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/PureEvil91/media/23megen_zpsfcf96b23.png.html)

(My results, repost):
1 North_Atlantic 49.13
2 Baltic 23.1
3 West_Med 13.42
4 East_Med 5.87
5 West_Asian 4.56
6 South_Asian 1.8
7 Sub-Saharan 1.27
8 Amerindian 0.56
9 Siberian 0.29

Decided to add a PCA:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/pca1_zps991722f0.gif (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/PureEvil91/media/pca1_zps991722f0.gif.html)

[Sizzo]

Spaniard in denial?

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.76
2 West_Med 26.6
3 East_Med 22.17
4 Baltic 8.6
5 West_Asian 6.04
6 South_Asian 0.38
7 Red_Sea 0.26
8 East_Asian 0.19
9 Oceanian 0.01


# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.74
2 Spanish_Andalucia 8.36
3 Spanish_Valencia 8.69
4 Spanish_Murcia 8.89
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.03
6 Tuscan 9.39
7 Portuguese 9.44
8 Spanish_Cataluna 10.17
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.54
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.75
11 Spanish_Galicia 11.2
12 Spanish_Aragon 12.39
13 Spanish_Cantabria 12.8
14 Southwest_French 14.59
15 French 15.74
16 Greek 19.99
17 Romanian 20.16
18 Bulgarian 20.7
19 South_Italian 21
20 Serbian 21.69

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hrpf7d.png

[Maleficent]

Spaniard in denial?
No surprise there. Northern Italians and Iberians are very genetically close to each other. :)

[ZephyrousMandaru]

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_423864.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_423864.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_869bb6.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_a59ef9.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_fb8277.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_7c4f84.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_5b9de8.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_219912.gif

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M160929_af4b6a.gif

[MfA_]

I'm tired of explaining that South Asian like ancestry of West and North Eurasians is ANI, not ASI but hey i'll quote Davidski..


ASI ancestry among the Indian samples in this study is represented by the South Asian, Oceanian and East Asian components. But these three components make up 90-100% of the genetic structure of the Indians. This leaves almost no room for ANI, unless a large part of the South Asian component shared by the Indian samples is in fact ANI.

What this suggests is that the Mal'ta South Asian component is 100% ANI, of the same type that is seen in West Asia and Europe today. This makes sense considering that archeologically the Mal'ta site shows links to European sites where ASI was unlikely to have been present before the Ice Age, and where it's not present today.

The Mal'ta population had archeological and genetic ties with people who were the ancestors of present day Europeans and West Asians, and they passed on their South Asian-like and Oceanian-like admixture to them. So if this is ASI, it's not the same ASI as in South Asia today.

South Asians are more drifted than West Asians and Europeans, so some of the ancestry they share with these groups gets lumped into a South Asian-specific cluster which has nothing to do with the component we know as Ancestral South Asian (ASI).

[Sizzo]

No surprise there. Northern Italians and Iberians are very genetically close to each other. :)

Are North Italians closer to Tuscans or Iberians?

[Gaston]

I'm tired of explaining that South Asian like ancestry of West and North Eurasians is ANI, not ASI but hey i'll quote Davidski..

Sure but this goes for all components.

But ANI, as its close cousin "West Asian", isn't purely West Eurasian though:

Do you think then that the West_Med, East_Med and West_Asian components are composed of majority Neolithic alleles?

West Med and East Med should be purely Neolithic, but West Asian is heavily mixed, and probably has a lot of that Eurasian mammoth-steppe influence that came out South Asian in the study of the Mal'ta genome.

[MfA_]

Sure but this goes for all components.

But ANI, as its close cousin "West Asian", isn't purely West Eurasian though:

''South Asia'' label here is South Asia according to todays admixures, not same as the Mal'ta boy's era. Mal'ta boy's ''South Asia'' mixed with ASI people at neolithic, which wasn't South Asia before that time, it is some sort of Central Asian. And we know that Central Asia was part of West Eurasian continuum until Bronze age.

Jackson here's the dendogram at macro settings.. I don't think it is solid for everyone, some may fall into a sister micro clade..
http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_macroe9x79.png

[Black Wolf]

''South Asia'' label here is South Asia according to todays admixures, not same as the Mal'ta boy's era. Mal'ta boy's ''South Asia'' mixed with ASI people at neolithic, which wasn't South Asia before that time, it is some sort of Central Asian. And we know that Central Asia was part of West Eurasian continuum until Bronze age.

Jackson here's the dendogram at macro settings.. I don't think it is solid for everyone, some may fall into a sister micro clade..
http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_macroe9x79.png

Do you know what the ancestry of the individual called Bubbles is? I am right next to him/her on the dendogram. I am closer to that person there than I am to my own brother.

[MfA_]

Do you know what the ancestry of the individual called Bubbles is? I am right next to him/her on the dendogram. I am closer to that person there than I am to my own brother.

I don't know who Bubbles, Gorilla, Blondie are, SeaWarrior send them to me.. Somesort of Euro mutts from US I guess..

[Black Wolf]

I don't know who Bubbles, Gorilla, Blondie are, SeaWarrior send them to me.. Somesort of Euro mutts from US I guess..

Either way my results again seem to make me land somewhere in Central Europe.

[Maleficent]

Are North Italians closer to Tuscans or Iberians?

Probably Tuscans.

[JQP4545]

Maybe your dad had a little fun with an indian woman and then boom you came out.

I think its the Gedrosia component.

[Thrax]

''South Asia'' label here is South Asia according to todays admixures, not same as the Mal'ta boy's era. Mal'ta boy's ''South Asia'' mixed with ASI people at neolithic, which wasn't South Asia before that time, it is some sort of Central Asian. And we know that Central Asia was part of West Eurasian continuum until Bronze age.

Jackson here's the dendogram at macro settings.. I don't think it is solid for everyone, some may fall into a sister micro clade..
http://abload.de/img/k13_mfa_macroe9x79.png

Does this mean I'm closer to albanian than to greek?

[HellLander87]

Does this mean I'm closer to albanian than to greek?
Paschalisb this Greek sample is probably not very representative of the Greeks from our regions so we appear closer to albanians. have you posted results here? mine are at start I think somewhere.I am full thessalian.

[Thrax]

I've posted mine too. I'm part Thessalian by the way.

[MfA_]

Does this mean I'm closer to albanian than to greek?

I am not sure, you are probably one of those who thrown away to sister branch Albanian, because of Bulgarian is further away and you are still a bit Northern compared to Greek sample.. If there would be a Makedonian sample maybe you would have been in that clade.. What i see on the MDS plot you are drifted to Balkan with slight pull to Anatolia..

This is Albanian average(n=9)
22,62 North Atlantic
16,29 Baltic
21,34 West Med
11,77 West Asian
23,71 East Med
3,02 Red Sea
0,03 South Asian
0,63 East Asian
0,18 Siberian
0,08 Amerindian
0,32 Oceanian
0,01 Northeast African
0,00 Sub-Saharan

[Sea Warrior]

I don't know who Bubbles, Gorilla, Blondie are, SeaWarrior send them to me.. Somesort of Euro mutts from US I guess..

Can you tell that I let them pick their own nicknames...? LOL!

Anyway, here is their known ancestry:

Bubbles - Overwhelmingly German with a large portion coming from former Prussia and some from Austria/Bohemia. Pretty much always has German as a first match, but shows a bit of a pull east of Germany

Gorilla - Known ancestry is English, Irish, German and French. Some possible unkown ancestry provides a pull towards the Caucasus

Blondie - Known ancestry is English, Irish, and German. Not much is known regarding ancestral origins

Sea Warrior's Grandmother - Mostly of English ancestry with some Scottish. Possibly a small amount of Continental European ancestry.

Sea Warrior's Mother - Mostly West German and Austrian with some Swedish and French ancestry.

Hope this helps.

Sea Warrior

[Gaita]

Are North Italians closer to Tuscans or Iberians?

In your case you are closer to many Spaniards before Tuscans.

[Gaita]

Spaniard in denial?

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.76
2 West_Med 26.6
3 East_Med 22.17
4 Baltic 8.6
5 West_Asian 6.04
6 South_Asian 0.38
7 Red_Sea 0.26
8 East_Asian 0.19
9 Oceanian 0.01


# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.74
2 Spanish_Andalucia 8.36
3 Spanish_Valencia 8.69
4 Spanish_Murcia 8.89
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.03
6 Tuscan 9.39
7 Portuguese 9.44
8 Spanish_Cataluna 10.17
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.54
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.75
11 Spanish_Galicia 11.2
12 Spanish_Aragon 12.39
13 Spanish_Cantabria 12.8
14 Southwest_French 14.59
15 French 15.74
16 Greek 19.99
17 Romanian 20.16
18 Bulgarian 20.7
19 South_Italian 21
20 Serbian 21.69

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hrpf7d.png

Here are my results you can compare.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/Mobile%20Uploads/A678F8B2-3D6A-4D4F-832F-194E9EFA37FA_zps4hgkiikc.jpg

[Black Wolf]

Can you tell that I let them pick their own nicknames...? LOL!

Anyway, here is their known ancestry:

Bubbles - Overwhelmingly German with a large portion coming from former Prussia and some from Austria/Bohemia. Pretty much always has German as a first match, but shows a bit of a pull east of Germany

Gorilla - Known ancestry is English, Irish, German and French. Some possible unkown ancestry provides a pull towards the Caucasus

Blondie - Known ancestry is English, Irish, and German. Not much is known regarding ancestral origins

Sea Warrior's Grandmother - Mostly of English ancestry with some Scottish. Possibly a small amount of Continental European ancestry.

Sea Warrior's Mother - Mostly West German and Austrian with some Swedish and French ancestry.

Hope this helps.

Sea Warrior

Thanks Sea Warrior! As you probably read above already I am right next to Bubbles on the dendogram.

[Dreger22310]

My mother (NW Brittany) : her closest populations are those from the british Isles.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.34
2 Baltic 22.26
3 West_Med 13.53
4 West_Asian 7.6
5 East_Med. 2.41
6 South_Asian 2.11
7 Amerindian 1.23
8 Sub-Saharan 0.5
9 Oceanian 0.03


# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.16
2 Orcadian 3.61
3 Southwest_English 3.71
4 West_Scottish 3.72
5 Southeast_English 3.97
6 Danish 4.21
7 Dutch 4.82
8 German 6.46
9 Norwegian 7.8
10 Swedish 9.35
11 French 12.33
12 North_Swedish 15.54
13 Austrian 17.82
14 Hungarian 19.01
15 Spanish_Cataluna 19.19
16 Southwest_French 20.22
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.46
18 Spanish_Cantabria 20.66
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.71
20 Portuguese 21.07



My results (eurogenes FR18) NW Brittany, closer to germanic peoples.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.64
2 Baltic 23.28
3 West_Med 15.5
4 West_Asian 8.29
5 East_Med 3.21
6 South_Asan 2.08
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Northeast_African 0.63


# Population (source) Distance
1 German 4.54
2 Dutch 5.22
3 Southeast_English 5.98
4 Orcadian 6.61
5 Southwest_English 6.69
6 Irish 6.94
7 Danish 7.1
8 West_Scottish 7.79
9 Norwegian 9.06
10 Swedish 10.01
11 French 10.06
12 Austrian 14.15
13 North_Swedish 15
14 Hungarian 15.31
15 Spanish_Cataluna 17.21
16 Southwest_French 18.22
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.35
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.49
19 Spanish_Cantabria 18.74
20 Portuguese 18.77

[Übermensch]

Population
North_Atlantic 20.55%
Baltic 7.61%
West_Med 21.38%
West_Asian 14.64%
East_Med 27.04%
Red_Sea 6.56%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.88%
Northeast_African 0.55%
Sub-Saharan 0.78%


Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 South_Italian 47.91%
2 Sephardic_Jewish 15.84%
3 Finnish 9.06%
4 French_Basque 6.30%
5 North_Ossetian 5.49%
6 Georgian 4.45%
7 Moroccan 3.90%
8 Mozabite_Berber 3.30%
9 Algerian 2.65%
10 Spanish_Andalucia 1.08%


Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 South_Italian 65.93%
2 Bulgarian 10.42%
3 French_Basque 10.09%
4 Chechen 5.46%
5 Saudi 4.01%
6 Greek 3.80%
7 Papuan 0.29%
8 Finnish 0.00%
9 Romanian 0.00%
10 Serbian 0.00%

[drogin]

My known ancestries: ~25% Finnish, ~75% Northern-Norwegian

North_Atlantic 41.04
Baltic 33.44
West_Med 8.97
East_Med 5.01
Siberian 3.39
West_Asian 3.38
Red_Sea 1.42
Amerindian 1.32
South_Asian 0.99
Oceanian 0.81
Northeast_African 0.22

88.7% North_Swedish + 11.3% Ashkenazi @ 1.35
90.1% North_Swedish + 9.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.6
91.4% North_Swedish + 8.6% Cyprian @ 1.7
89.4% North_Swedish + 10.6% South_Italian @ 1.71
92.1% North_Swedish + 7.9% Samaritan @ 1.72
88% North_Swedish + 12% Greek @ 1.74
92.3% North_Swedish + 7.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.82
81.5% North_Swedish + 18.5% Romanian @ 1.89
86.6% North_Swedish + 13.4% Tuscan @ 1.92
83.4% North_Swedish + 16.6% Bulgarian @ 1.95
92% North_Swedish + 8% Palestinian @ 1.99
78.3% North_Swedish + 21.7% Serbian @ 2


Could the Serbian, Bulgarian, Greek, Italian thing be the reason why I got haplogroup J2b2?
Any scandinavians here with similar results?

[Black Wolf]

My known ancestries: ~25% Finnish, ~75% Northern-Norwegian

North_Atlantic 41.04
Baltic 33.44
West_Med 8.97
East_Med 5.01
Siberian 3.39
West_Asian 3.38
Red_Sea 1.42
Amerindian 1.32
South_Asian 0.99
Oceanian 0.81
Northeast_African 0.22

88.7% North_Swedish + 11.3% Ashkenazi @ 1.35
90.1% North_Swedish + 9.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.6
91.4% North_Swedish + 8.6% Cyprian @ 1.7
89.4% North_Swedish + 10.6% South_Italian @ 1.71
92.1% North_Swedish + 7.9% Samaritan @ 1.72
88% North_Swedish + 12% Greek @ 1.74
92.3% North_Swedish + 7.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.82
81.5% North_Swedish + 18.5% Romanian @ 1.89
86.6% North_Swedish + 13.4% Tuscan @ 1.92
83.4% North_Swedish + 16.6% Bulgarian @ 1.95
92% North_Swedish + 8% Palestinian @ 1.99
78.3% North_Swedish + 21.7% Serbian @ 2


Could the Serbian, Bulgarian, Greek, Italian thing be the reason why I got haplogroup J2b2?
Any scandinavians here with similar results?

Looks like you certainly have a bit of a small Southeastern pull.

[Equilibrium]

My known ancestries: ~25% Finnish, ~75% Northern-Norwegian

Cool, another J2b2 carrier. You are the first one I met here and the second one I met in total. We are a rare bunch. Wouldn't have expected somebody from Scandinavia, though.



Could the Serbian, Bulgarian, Greek, Italian thing be the reason why I got haplogroup J2b2?

It is the other way around, your paternal line, J2b2, would be the reason for your elevated East_Med and Red_Sea admixture. Either it's quite recent (one paternal ancestor a couple of generations ago). Or it's old and the region your paternal line comes from must have been settled by people from somewhere much more south-eastern originally, resulting in elevated amounts of East_Med and Red_Sea admixture in the region.

[Gaita]

Population
North_Atlantic 20.55%
Baltic 7.61%
West_Med 21.38%
West_Asian 14.64%
East_Med 27.04%
Red_Sea 6.56%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.88%
Northeast_African 0.55%
Sub-Saharan 0.78%


Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 South_Italian 47.91%
2 Sephardic_Jewish 15.84%
3 Finnish 9.06%
4 French_Basque 6.30%
5 North_Ossetian 5.49%
6 Georgian 4.45%
7 Moroccan 3.90%
8 Mozabite_Berber 3.30%
9 Algerian 2.65%
10 Spanish_Andalucia 1.08%


Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 South_Italian 65.93%
2 Bulgarian 10.42%
3 French_Basque 10.09%
4 Chechen 5.46%
5 Saudi 4.01%
6 Greek 3.80%
7 Papuan 0.29%
8 Finnish 0.00%
9 Romanian 0.00%
10 Serbian 0.00%

Very nice results......your results showcase, quite nicely, why South Italians plot where they do.

Your phenotype compliments your results nicely as well.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/77D0451E-AA59-49F3-85FB-103DD05F58F8_zpsfrewp0ns.jpg

[Thor2009]

Seems to be pretty accurate; my known ancestry is from the British Isles (~70%), Ireland (~5%), and Germany (~25%).
The Oracle, like usual, is giving silly results, though. Spanish? Hungarian? Serbian?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.96
2 Baltic 23.55
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 4.29
5 West_Asian 4.23
6 Red_Sea 1.45
7 Sub-Saharan 1.18
8 Siberian 0.54
9 South_Asian 0.22
10 East_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.12
2 Southwest_English 3.71
3 Dutch 4.28
4 Orcadian 4.32
5 Danish 5.17
6 Irish 5.47
7 German 5.6
8 West_Scottish 5.62
9 Norwegian 8.22
10 Swedish 9.34
11 French 10.15
12 North_Swedish 14.72
13 Austrian 16.13
14 Spanish_Cataluna 17.03
15 Hungarian 17.37
16 Southwest_French 17.84
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.12
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.29
19 Spanish_Cantabria 18.41
20 Portuguese 18.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Orcadian + 17.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.05
2 83.8% Southwest_English + 16.2% Austrian @ 2.06
3 84.8% Southwest_English + 15.2% Hungarian @ 2.06
4 86.7% Dutch + 13.3% French_Basque @ 2.07
5 87.7% Southwest_English + 12.3% Serbian @ 2.08
6 84.5% Dutch + 15.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.08
7 92.6% Orcadian + 7.4% Sardinian @ 2.15
8 72% Norwegian + 28% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.19
9 83.4% Orcadian + 16.6% Portuguese @ 2.2
10 82.9% Orcadian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.23
11 84.6% Orcadian + 15.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.23
12 72.9% Orcadian + 27.1% French @ 2.26
13 83.3% Orcadian + 16.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.27
14 89.5% Southwest_English + 10.5% Romanian @ 2.28
15 83.5% Dutch + 16.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.28
16 82.2% Orcadian + 17.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.29
17 69.3% Swedish + 30.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.3
18 82.9% Orcadian + 17.1% Southwest_French @ 2.31
19 79.3% Danish + 20.7% Southwest_French @ 2.31
20 90.6% Southwest_English + 9.4% Bulgarian @ 2.31

[Gaita]

^oracle doesn't tell you what your ethnicity is, all it does is give you the best possibilities based on your results.

[Thor2009]

^oracle doesn't tell you what your ethnicity is, all it does is give you the best possibilities based on your results.

Still, the "best possibilities" in this case don't seem very likely.
The best Oracle I've seen is EUTest V2, and even it did something like 99% English.

I'm not quite sure how Oracle works, but to me, it seems like a useful feature would be if you could manually set which groups are used in the calculations, so that it gives more reasonable results, instead of trying to fit someone who is pred. NW Euro with Bulgarians and Serbians.

[Gaita]

Still, the "best possibilities" in this case don't seem very likely.
The best Oracle I've seen is EUTest V2, and even it did something like 99% English.

I'm not quite sure how Oracle works, but to me, it seems like a useful feature would be if you could manually set which groups are used in the calculations, so that it gives more reasonable results, instead of trying to fit someone who is pred. NW Euro with Bulgarians and Serbians.

Btw the Spanish results aren't silly, because your results have the same components as the Iberian results. It's just that the numbers vary abit percentage wise on each component.

Mine for example:
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/2ECF87B8-C8D4-4E1A-9A17-03C9BF5E1827_zpsnuwmqrb1.png

[Atlantic Islander]

Btw the Spanish results aren't silly, because your results have the same components as the Iberian results. It's just that the numbers vary abit percentage wise on each component.

Mine for example:
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/2ECF87B8-C8D4-4E1A-9A17-03C9BF5E1827_zpsnuwmqrb1.png

Another one that gets Portuguese first, and you're Galician! :mad:

[Black Wolf]

Another one that gets Portuguese first, and you're Galician! :mad:

It's rather obvious now that Spaniard and Portuguese are very similar overall genetically. The differences must be very subtle. Nothing to be upset about Islander.

[Atlantic Islander]

It's rather obvious now that Spaniard and Portuguese are very similar overall genetically. The differences must be very subtle. Nothing to be upset about Islander.

Yeah, but I get Murcia.

[Black Wolf]

Yeah, but I get Murcia.

Hmmm that is rather far from Portugal but it probably just relates to the fact like I mentioned above that all Iberians are very similar to each other genetically.

[Gaita]

Another one that gets Portuguese first, and you're Galician! :mad:

Yeah, but to Jaxman's point, the Iberian results are all pretty similar.

[Jackson]

Still, the "best possibilities" in this case don't seem very likely.
The best Oracle I've seen is EUTest V2, and even it did something like 99% English.

I'm not quite sure how Oracle works, but to me, it seems like a useful feature would be if you could manually set which groups are used in the calculations, so that it gives more reasonable results, instead of trying to fit someone who is pred. NW Euro with Bulgarians and Serbians.

Just imagine a line drawn between the two results, so draw a line from Orkney to Galicia for example and make a mark 17% or so of the way along, and it'll give you some idea. Or between southwest England and Austria.

[Atlantic Islander]

Yeah, but to Jaxman's point, the Iberian results are all pretty similar.

Well I'm not actually upset, :P, I'm still closer to Portuguese than you or Alex Delarge are:

Me
1 Spanish_Murcia 1.58
2 Portuguese 2.43

Alex
1 Portuguese 2.47
2 Spanish_Extremadura 3.4

You
1 Portuguese 3.82
2 Spanish_Galicia 4.07

[Thor2009]

Just imagine a line drawn between the two results, so draw a line from Orkney to Galicia for example and make a mark 17% or so of the way along, and it'll give you some idea. Or between southwest England and Austria.

In that case, the results make a bit more sense.

Drawing a line between Orkney and Galicia, and marking 17% puts me right in the middle of Scotland.
Most of the Orcadian + something else results also put me in Scotland or Northern England.

The other results place me somewhere around Northern France, near Normandy.

[Argang]

Yeah, but to Jaxman's point, the Iberian results are all pretty similar.

That's true.

Spanish_Murcia averages in K13 are 40.15 9.33 26.12 2.21 14.57 2.92 0.21 0.88 0.67 0.60 0.11 1.44 0.78
Portuguese averages are 38.54 11.51 25.32 2.43 13.90 3.63 0.42 0.14 0.25 0.44 0.67 1.72 1.04

The total combined difference is something like 8,76.

For Southeast English vs Southwest English it's 8,53 and Finnish vs East Finnish it's 10,97, so differences between Iberians are in line with those between different parts of a single country. Spanish Basques might stand out if they are similar to the French ones.

[drogin]

Thor, you can also see it this way:
You say about 75% English/Irish and 25% German.

The oracle gets the English component right, but happens to make your second component lower, but adjusts by putting it further to the south/east.

I don't think 83.8% Southwest_English + 16.2% Austrian, are too different in terms of admixture result of 75% English + 25% German

[drogin]

When I look at the spreadsheet for K13:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQVXowbmw1Q2dDNDg/edit


Turkmen got ~10% Siberian.
Yakut got 74% Siberian.
Uygur got 20% Siberian.

Turks/Turkey got 3.6%.
Eastern-Finns, got 8.6%.

Sooo... Finns are actually more Turkic than Turks? :D

[Argang]

Pima have 5,18% Siberian and North Amerindians 21,97%.

If Siberian is Turkic marker, looks like North America was first colonized by ancient Turks.:icon_yes:

[drogin]

Actually in a sense, it was.
I think the most common theory about the origin of the native americans, is that they came from Siberian asians, aka Turkic people.

[Argang]

Actually in a sense, it was.
I think the most common theory about the origin of the native americans, is that they came from Siberian asians, aka Turkic people.

We can assume all Turkics have Siberian admixture, but frankly I've never heard of all Siberian admixture being Turkic. Looks like Pan-Turanism just got on a whole new level.:laugh:

[Gaston]

Actually in a sense, it was.
I think the most common theory about the origin of the native americans, is that they came from Siberian asians, aka Turkic people.

Turkic languages are very young and their proto-Altaic ancestor diverged around 10,000 years ago from other Eurasiatic languages such as Uralic and Indo-European for instance (see Pagel et al). All much younger than the initial colonisation of the Americas so Native Americans aren't closely related to Turks neither by ancestry nor linguistically (except maybe some North Americans.

[drogin]

Well depends how you define Turkic. I do realize the most correct definition is probably a Turkic language speaker. But if that's the case then I and another Norwegian can move to Turkey, and have a 100% Norwegian kid which speaks Turkish as his mother tongue, and our kid would be Turkic by definition. Which sounds a bit wrong to my ear, as Turkic also applies a sense of ethnic origin to me, personally.

And the Turkic language and the origin of the Turks, are Altaic/Siberian. Everyone else is just Turkified local populations...meaning Turks for instance, are mostly just Turkified Greeks.

[Stanley]

For reference, my known ancestry is: ~47% Irish, ~28% Colonial American, 12.5% Swedish, 12.5% Luxemburgian


Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 47.17
2 Baltic 24.77
3 West_Med 15.53
4 West_Asian 7.7
5 Amerindian 1.96
6 East_Med 1.36
7 South_Asian 0.64
8 Northeast_African 0.61
9 Siberian 0.26


Single Population Sharing:

1 Dutch 4.27
2 German 5.3
3 Orcadian 5.43
4 Irish 5.62
5 Southeast_English 5.8
6 Southwest_English 6.02
7 Danish 6.35
8 West_Scottish 6.63
9 Norwegian 7.47
10 Swedish 8.59
11 French 12.06
12 North_Swedish 13.89
13 Austrian 15.43
14 Hungarian 16.4
15 Spanish_Cataluna 19
16 Southwest_French 19.39
17 Spanish_Galicia 20.14
18 Spanish_Cantabria 20.16
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.17
20 Portuguese 20.63


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1) 91.7% Dutch + 8.3% French_Basque @ 3.57
2) 89.6% Dutch + 10.4% Southwest_French @ 3.65
3) 95.7% Dutch + 4.3% Sardinian @ 3.7
4) 85.2% Irish + 14.8% Romanian @ 3.7
5) 86.7% Irish + 13.3% Bulgarian @ 3.71
6) 83.1% Southwest_English + 16.9% Ukrainian_West @ 3.72
7) 90.5% Dutch + 9.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.73
8) 83.6% Irish + 16.4% Serbian @ 3.76
9) 92.2% Dutch + 7.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.78
10) 87.8% Southwest_English + 12.2% Erzya @ 3.79
11) 91.6% Dutch + 8.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.79
12) 83.7% Southwest_English + 16.3% Ukrainian @ 3.8
13) 92.1% Dutch + 7.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.82
14) 98.3% Dutch + 1.7% Mayan @ 3.83
15) 85.9% Southwest_English + 14.1% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.84
16) 85.6% Southwest_English + 14.4% Russian @ 3.84
17) 79.6% Irish + 20.4% Hungarian @ 3.87
18) 96.6% Dutch + 3.4% Balkar @ 3.87
19) 98.4% Dutch + 1.6% Pima @ 3.87
20) 92.4% Dutch + 7.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.87



4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 2 populations approximation:
1) 50% German +50% Irish @ 4.496
2) 50% German +50% Southwest_English @ 4.598
3) 50% Dutch +50% Dutch @ 4.678
4) 50% Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 4.718
5) 50% Dutch +50% Irish @ 4.789
6) 50% German +50% Orcadian @ 4.866
7) 50% German +50% West_Scottish @ 4.883
8) 50% Dutch +50% Orcadian @ 4.951
9) 50% Dutch +50% German @ 5.125
10) 50% Dutch +50% Southeast_English @ 5.135


Using 3 populations approximation:
1) 50% Irish +25% French_Basque +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.223
2) 50% Swedish +25% Irish +25% Southwest_French @ 4.250
3) 50% West_Scottish +25% French_Basque +25% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.331
4) 50% Norwegian +25% Irish +25% Southwest_French @ 4.392
5) 50% Dutch +25% German +25% Southwest_English @ 4.392
6) 50% Dutch +25% Dutch +25% Southwest_English @ 4.431
7) 50% German +25% Irish +25% Southwest_English @ 4.439
8) 50% Irish +25% Hungarian +25% Southwest_English @ 4.473
9) 50% Irish +25% Austrian +25% Southwest_English @ 4.478
10) 50% Dutch +25% German +25% Irish @ 4.481


Using 4 populations approximation:
1) French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.223
2) Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish + Swedish @ 4.250
3) French_Basque + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast + West_Scottish @ 4.261
4) Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.278
5) French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.331
6) Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.392
7) Dutch + Dutch + German + Southwest_English @ 4.392
8) Dutch + German + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.417
9) Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Southwest_English @ 4.431
10) German + German + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.439
11) Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.473
12) Austrian + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.478
13) Dutch + Dutch + German + Irish @ 4.481
14) Southwest_French + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.484
15) German + German + Irish + Irish @ 4.496
16) Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + Swedish @ 4.513
17) Dutch + German + Irish + Irish @ 4.519
18) Hungarian + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.531
19) Dutch + German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.533
20) Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.536

[SSlava]

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 48.27
2 North_Atlantic 25.81
3 West_Med 11.7
4 West_Asian 5.42
5 East_Med 3.87
6 Red_Sea 1.43
7 East_Asian 1.3
8 Siberian 1.29
9 Oceanian 0.82
10 Amerindian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian 2.91
2 Ukrainian_Northeast 5.12
3 Ukrainian 5.16
4 Belorussian 5.42
5 Ukrainian_West 6.36
6 Polish 7.53
7 Lithuanian 7.69
8 Kargopol_Russian 7.86
9 Estonian 9.38
10 Erzya 9.61
11 East_Finnish 11.89
12 Finnish 11.91
13 Southwest_Finnish 13.78
14 Hungarian 16.87
15 Austrian 18.29
16 North_Swedish 20.11
17 Serbian 21.76
18 Chuvash 24.28
19 Swedish 25.13
20 Romanian 25.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.3% Russian + 13.7% Lithuanian @ 2.67
2 82.9% Russian + 17.1% Belorussian @ 2.74
3 95.8% Russian + 4.2% Estonian @ 2.88
4 99.8% Russian + 0.2% Dai @ 2.9
5 99.9% Russian + 0.1% Papuan @ 2.91
6 99.9% Russian + 0.1% Vietnamese @ 2.91
7 99.9% Russian + 0.1% NAN_Melanesian @ 2.91
8 99.2% Russian + 0.8% Ukrainian @ 2.91
9 100% Russian + 0% Cambodian @ 2.91
10 100% Russian + 0% Malay @ 2.91
11 100% Russian + 0% Abhkasian @ 2.91
12 100% Russian + 0% Adygei @ 2.91
13 100% Russian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.91
14 100% Russian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.91
15 100% Russian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.91
16 100% Russian + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 2.91
17 100% Russian + 0% Algerian @ 2.91
18 100% Russian + 0% Altaian @ 2.91
19 100% Russian + 0% Armenian @ 2.91
20 100% Russian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 2.91

[JQP4545]

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% German + 26.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.58
2 61.5% Danish + 38.5% Greek @ 2.81
3 64.7% Southeast_English + 35.3% Greek @ 2.89
4 67.8% Dutch + 32.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.89
5 70.7% German + 29.3% Greek @ 2.89

[JQP4545]

My mom's:


Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 Southeast_English 82.01%
2 Sardinian 6.79%
3 Bulgarian 4.98%
4 Greek 3.76%
5 Kalash 2.41%
6 Turkmen 0.02%
7 Turkish 0.01%
8 Romanian 0.01%
9 Ashkenazi 0.01%
10 Samaritan 0.00%

Must be a gypsy ancestor as she has no known Kalash or Bulgarian.