Partizan and iGENEA

[Partizan]

Well, I was tested with iGENEA's starter combination before, so what I got was my Y-DNA and mt-DNA without subclades. I had Y-DNA I and mt-DNA H, however for a little bit trolling in ABF(not to forget I was 15 years old at that time), I said I have Y-DNA N :)

Those are my Y-DNA STR:

DYS# 393 390 19* 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1
Allele 14 24 17 11 12 13 11 13 11 13

DYS# 392 389-2
Allele 11 29

And mt-DNA HVR differences:

16266T, 16274A, 16519C

Can someone talented at genetics guess my subclade, before I receive 23andme after 4-6 weeks? :p

[Insuperable]

I would say that you do not belong to I Y-dna but to R1a

Do not take me serious since I have no idea:p

[Partizan]

I would say that you do not belong to I Y-dna but to R1a

I would believe it since one Finn guy was turned from I1 to N1c, in a 23andme update.

[Albion]

Sorry, I'm no use at this.

[Smaug]

Cool. Let's find out if you are really a descendant of Genghis Khan :P

[Partizan]

Cool. Let's find out if you are really a descendant of Genghis Khan :P

Not from direct paternal line, it seems. I'd be a C3 guy if it was the case(Genghis being C3 is just a theory though).

I hope I will end with some kind of Central Asian or Siberian I subclade:

http://i49.tinypic.com/5jwpw7.png

[Hoca]

I don't have a creditcard, otherwise I would have bought 23me :/

[Albion]

I don't have a creditcard, otherwise I would have bought 23me :/

Can't you just use a debit card? Anything with Visa or Mastercard on it?

[Pallantides]

Y-DNA haplogroup I... no wonder you looked a bit like Jimmie Åkesson:D
http://data.s-info.se/data_page/1749/images/121117_Jimmy_akesson.jpg

[Partizan]

Y-DNA haplogroup I... no wonder you looked a bit like Jimmie Åkesson:D
http://data.s-info.se/data_page/1749/images/121117_Jimmy_akesson.jpg

My new look a like, Stefan Markowitz, is most likely a I2 guy though:

http://static1.kleinezeitung.at/system/galleries_520x335/upload/2/4/0/2242208/markowitz_apa_726.jpg

[Onur]

I2? when you post your 23&me results, i think Bosnians will adapt you as theirs :)

Bulgarians trying to adapt me and now Bosnians for you :D

[Partizan]

I2? when you post your 23&me results, i think Bosnians will adapt you as theirs :)

Bulgarians trying to adapt me and now Bosnians for you :D

I don't know subclade since iGenea's starter combination is lame and shows without subclade. I just know that I am I-M170 :)

Who knows? Perhaps Scandos will adapt me if I'll have I1 :p

[evon]

Well, I was tested with iGENEA's starter combination before, so what I got was my Y-DNA and mt-DNA without subclades. I had Y-DNA I and mt-DNA H, however for a little bit trolling in ABF(not to forget I was 15 years old at that time), I said I have Y-DNA N :)

Those are my Y-DNA STR:

DYS# 393 390 19* 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1
Allele 14 24 17 11 12 13 11 13 11 13

DYS# 392 389-2
Allele 11 29

And mt-DNA HVR differences:

16266T, 16274A, 16519C

Can someone talented at genetics guess my subclade, before I receive 23andme after 4-6 weeks? :p

iGENEA = Crap interpretation, but the DNA is the same as FTDNA, so no worries there.

I ran your HVR though Mitsosearch (have not used that in years); these are your top matches:

Results. (http://www.mitosearch.org/search_results.asp?freeentry=true&HVR2_Tested=false&HVR1_Location_1=226&HVR1_ChgAddDel_1=&HVR1_Base_1=T&HVR1_Location_2=274&HVR1_ChgAddDel_2=&HVR1_Base_2=A&HVR1_Location_3=519&HVR1_ChgAddDel_3=&HVR1_Base_3=C&HVR1_Location_4=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_4=&HVR1_Base_4=&HVR1_Location_5=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_5=&HVR1_Base_5=&HVR1_Location_6=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_6=&HVR1_Base_6=&HVR1_Location_7=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_7=&HVR1_Base_7=&HVR1_Location_8=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_8=&HVR1_Base_8=&HVR1_Location_9=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_9=&HVR1_Base_9=&HVR1_Location_10=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_10=&HVR1_Base_10=&HVR1_Location_11=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_11=&HVR1_Base_11=&HVR1_Location_12=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_12=&HVR1_Base_12=&HVR1_Location_13=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_13=&HVR1_Base_13=&HVR1_Location_14=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_14=&HVR1_Base_14=&HVR1_Location_15=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_15=&HVR1_Base_15=&HVR2_Location_1=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_1=&HVR2_Base_1=&HVR2_Location_2=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_2=&HVR2_Base_2=&HVR2_Location_3=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_3=&HVR2_Base_3=&HVR2_Location_4=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_4=&HVR2_Base_4=&HVR2_Location_5=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_5=&HVR2_Base_5=&HVR2_Location_6=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_6=&HVR2_Base_6=&HVR2_Location_7=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_7=&HVR2_Base_7=&HVR2_Location_8=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_8=&HVR2_Base_8=&HVR2_Location_9=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_9=&HVR2_Base_9=&HVR2_Location_10=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_10=&HVR2_Base_10=&HVR2_Location_11=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_11=&HVR2_Base_11=&HVR2_Location_12=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_12=&HVR2_Base_12=&HVR2_Location_13=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_13=&HVR2_Base_13=&HVR2_Location_14=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_14=&HVR2_Base_14=&HVR2_Location_15=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_15=&HVR2_Base_15=&comparison_type=Standard)

I also ran your YDNA via Whit's predictor, and these are your results:

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6050/screensho.jpg

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5a/hapest5.htm

But perhaps you should try other predictors too, though last i used these years ago, this was the best...

But STR values are so yesterday in terms of determining YDNA linage...

I2a is Balkan YDNA last i checked, so no Asian YDNA linage for you, but it will be interesting to see which sub-branch you are and if you want to test more STR values i would do it via FTDNA, you might find some very close relatives if you go down that road:)...

[Gospodine]

I2? when you post your 23&me results, i think Bosnians will rightfully reclaim a long lost brother :)

Fixed :thumb001:

[Partizan]

iGENEA = Crap interpretation, but the DNA is the same as FTDNA, so no worries there.

I ran your HVR though Mitsosearch (have not used that in years); these are your top matches:

Results. (http://www.mitosearch.org/search_results.asp?freeentry=true&HVR2_Tested=false&HVR1_Location_1=226&HVR1_ChgAddDel_1=&HVR1_Base_1=T&HVR1_Location_2=274&HVR1_ChgAddDel_2=&HVR1_Base_2=A&HVR1_Location_3=519&HVR1_ChgAddDel_3=&HVR1_Base_3=C&HVR1_Location_4=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_4=&HVR1_Base_4=&HVR1_Location_5=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_5=&HVR1_Base_5=&HVR1_Location_6=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_6=&HVR1_Base_6=&HVR1_Location_7=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_7=&HVR1_Base_7=&HVR1_Location_8=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_8=&HVR1_Base_8=&HVR1_Location_9=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_9=&HVR1_Base_9=&HVR1_Location_10=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_10=&HVR1_Base_10=&HVR1_Location_11=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_11=&HVR1_Base_11=&HVR1_Location_12=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_12=&HVR1_Base_12=&HVR1_Location_13=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_13=&HVR1_Base_13=&HVR1_Location_14=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_14=&HVR1_Base_14=&HVR1_Location_15=&HVR1_ChgAddDel_15=&HVR1_Base_15=&HVR2_Location_1=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_1=&HVR2_Base_1=&HVR2_Location_2=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_2=&HVR2_Base_2=&HVR2_Location_3=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_3=&HVR2_Base_3=&HVR2_Location_4=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_4=&HVR2_Base_4=&HVR2_Location_5=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_5=&HVR2_Base_5=&HVR2_Location_6=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_6=&HVR2_Base_6=&HVR2_Location_7=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_7=&HVR2_Base_7=&HVR2_Location_8=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_8=&HVR2_Base_8=&HVR2_Location_9=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_9=&HVR2_Base_9=&HVR2_Location_10=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_10=&HVR2_Base_10=&HVR2_Location_11=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_11=&HVR2_Base_11=&HVR2_Location_12=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_12=&HVR2_Base_12=&HVR2_Location_13=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_13=&HVR2_Base_13=&HVR2_Location_14=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_14=&HVR2_Base_14=&HVR2_Location_15=&HVR2_ChgAddDel_15=&HVR2_Base_15=&comparison_type=Standard)

I also ran your YDNA via Whit's predictor, and these are your results:

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6050/screensho.jpg

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5a/hapest5.htm

But perhaps you should try other predictors too, though last i used these years ago, this was the best...

But STR values are so yesterday in terms of determining YDNA linage...

I2a is Balkan YDNA last i checked, so no Asian YDNA linage for you, but it will be interesting to see which sub-branch you are and if you want to test more STR values i would do it via FTDNA, you might find some very close relatives if you go down that road:)...

Thanks :) As far as I know I2 exists in Iran too? Because I have a well documented line of paternal line and traces back to Eastern Caspian Sea coast it seems. Also except that, my paternal line is from Caucasus(NE Turkey and parts of Georgia).

I will try 23andme as I said, my sample is under analysis :)

[evon]

Thanks :) As far as I know I2 exists in Iran too? Because I have a well documented line of paternal line and traces back to Eastern Caspian Sea coast it seems. Also except that, my paternal line is from Caucasus(NE Turkey and parts of Georgia).

I will try 23andme as I said, my sample is under analysis :)

I think its far more likely to be a direct Balkan linked linage (Turkey is so close and paper trails are too easily corruptible, just look at Orangepupls Armenian and my own Roma ancestry, we never knew about it), either way its origin is Balkan.

Maybe those found in Iran is linked to the Hellenic period? that would be pretty cool to check out...

[Gospodine]

Thanks :) As far as I know I2 exists in Iran too?

It does actually in a concentrated little bubble around Tehran if I remember correctly. No idea about the origin of that but I remember that very well.

[Partizan]

I think its far more likely to be a direct Balkan linked linage (Turkey is so close and paper trails are too easily corruptible, just look at Orangepupls Armenian and my own Roma ancestry, we never knew about it), either way its origin is Balkan.

Maybe those found in Iran is linked to the Hellenic period? that would be pretty cool to check out...

Well, my paternal side is from this city:

http://img1.loadtr.com/b-394809-Artvin_harita.jpg

Artvin does not have any Balkan refugees and what we know is that, our family(direct paternal line) migrated from today's Georgia. You're right, there are always surprises but I guess my I2(based on the chart you posted), must be from ancient times...

About Iran, I guess it must be about rather ancient migrations since Alexander's army consisted mostly E3b and J2 carriers most likely.

[MfA_]

I2a1
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I2a.gif

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#I2

[evon]

Well, my paternal side is from this city:

http://img1.loadtr.com/b-394809-Artvin_harita.jpg

Artvin does not have any Balkan refugees and what we know is that, our family(direct paternal line) migrated from today's Georgia. You're right, there are always surprises but I guess my I2(based on the chart you posted), must be from ancient times...

About Iran, I guess it must be about rather ancient migrations since Alexander's army consisted mostly E3b and J2 carriers most likely.

Yes it can be connected to any period of course, the most likely is either something obscure and related to trade, but could also be Hellenic, not talking about Alexander, but post-Alexander when Hellenic peoples migrated east and settled all over the place inside the borders of the former Alexanders empire.. But the longest period in which Balkan peoples came to Anatolia is ofcourse The Byzantium and Ottoman eras, if you leave out the ancient Greek settlements that is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Greek_Colonization.png


eitherway, 23andme will clear things up..

[Twistedmind]

I am not aware of high ratio of I2a among Greeks. Afaik good part of I2 among Greeks is of Armenian origin (that from Crete).

[evon]

I am not aware of high ratio of I2a among Greeks. Afaik good part of I2 among Greeks is of Armenian origin (that from Crete).

Hellenic peoples were not always ethnic Greek in the modern way, it was a way of life, not a biological thing.. Even many Jews and other ethnic groups became Hellenic during that era...

[Twistedmind]

Hellenic peoples were not always ethnic Greek in the modern way, it was a way of life, not a biological thing.. Even many Jews and other ethnic groups became Hellenic during that era...

Ah I misunderstood you. Yes I am aware of Hellenism as cultural identity :)

[evon]

Ah I misunderstood you. Yes I am aware of Hellenism as cultural identity :)

Its one of my favourite eras in History, exceptionally good art, a common trading language (Greek) and the spread of ideas unparalleled before. They must have felt the whole world was at their finger tips..

[Twistedmind]

Its one of my favourite eras in History, exceptionally good art, a common trading language (Greek) and the spread of ideas unparalleled before. They must have felt the whole world was at their finger tips..

Yep, Stoicism and Cosmopolitanism, translation of Old Testament in Greek. Archimedes, Ptolomy, Math, indeed impressive exchange of ideas between East and West.
Lot of wars tough.
Partizan sorry for offtopic.

[Partizan]

Yep, Stoicism and Cosmopolitanism, translation of Old Testament in Greek. Archimedes, Ptolomy, Math, indid impressive exchange of ideas between East and West.
Lot of wars tough.
Partizan sorry for offtopic.

No problem, it just causes more attention to my topic and keeps it hot :D

[kvarc]

Partizan our indo-europian brother :D

[Partizan]

Partizan our indo-europian brother :D

It seems I am rather Cro-Magnon/Native Euro than Indo-European :p

Proto-IE haplogroup seems to be R1.

[Onur]

Partizan our indo-europian brother :D
See Partizan, i told you that you will draw Balkanite forces of internet to yourself :D

Partizan, if you wanna get away from Balkanites, then you better photoshop your 23&me screenshots and say that you have Q y-dna, akin to Genghis Khan and you have relative matches from Mongolia and Siberian Yakuts :p

[evon]

Though i would post this linked from here since you belong to I and all:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70475

[Chuck Norris]

Well, my paternal side is from this city:

http://img1.loadtr.com/b-394809-Artvin_harita.jpg

Artvin does not have any Balkan refugees and what we know is that, our family(direct paternal line) migrated from today's Georgia. You're right, there are always surprises but I guess my I2(based on the chart you posted), must be from ancient times...

About Iran, I guess it must be about rather ancient migrations since Alexander's army consisted mostly E3b and J2 carriers most likely.

I highly doubt you have Georgian ancestry as that region has historically been Armenian. The area under the black sea usually was populated by Greeks or Armenians. Most likely Armenian since it is on the eastern end. You most likely have Hemshin Armenian ancestry:

Hemshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemshin_peoples)

[Dacul]

I2a1
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I2a.gif

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#I2

Lol that map is a big shame!
You do not see,they did not put any I2A1 in Scandinavia and Finland,as a very weird thing I2A1 is stopping being present where is the border between Finland and Russia!
:picard2:
If you check familytreedna you will see that I2A1 is found in Scandinavia also,but at low percentages.
:rofl:

[ALL]

I highly doubt you have Georgian ancestry as that region has historically been Armenian. The area under the black sea usually was populated by Greeks or Armenians. Most likely Armenian since it is on the eastern end. You most likely have Hemshin Armenian ancestry:

Hemshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemshin_peoples)

Very good:thumb001:
I just ran Partizan's numbers in a trial test run, even though he has only 12 str's it is somewhat similar to this last name really needs a few more markers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Kharatyan

User ID Last Name Origin Haplogroup Tested With Markers Compared Genetic Distance
Y27DR partizan Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA - -
3WMAJ Schmeltzer Germany I (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 2
9HDBK Kharatyan Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 2
SNMCU Nelson Ahus, Sweden I2a (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 3

[Partizan]

I highly doubt you have Georgian ancestry as that region has historically been Armenian. The area under the black sea usually was populated by Greeks or Armenians. Most likely Armenian since it is on the eastern end. You most likely have Hemshin Armenian ancestry:

Hemshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemshin_peoples)

The problem is, I am not originally from Artvin either. My paternal side migrated to Artvin from Georgia in 19.th century. We're Meskhetian Turks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks).


Very good:thumb001:
I just ran Partizan's numbers in a trial test run, even though he has only 12 str's it is somewhat similar to this last name really needs a few more markers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Kharatyan

User ID Last Name Origin Haplogroup Tested With Markers Compared Genetic Distance
Y27DR partizan Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA - -
3WMAJ Schmeltzer Germany I (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 2
9HDBK Kharatyan Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 2
SNMCU Nelson Ahus, Sweden I2a (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 3

Thanks :)

[ALL]

Thanks :)

If you can update to 25 or 37 markers for best results, or find out more information about your snps.

[Partizan]

If you can update to 25 or 37 markers for best results, or find out more information about your snps.

Actually the all data I have is what I posted. That is what iGenea's starter combination gave.

[Chuck Norris]

The problem is, I am not originally from Artvin either. My paternal side migrated to Artvin from Georgia in 19.th century. We're Meskhetian Turks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks).



Thanks :)

:picard2:

Have you seen a Meskhetian Turk? Honestly? Denial is strong in this one. That is fine. You are a "Meskhetian Turk".

Now, it begs the question, what is a "Meskhetian Turk"? What would then be the difference between a "Meskhetian Turk" versus say a Tartar? This is all monkey business to escape the truth.

[Partizan]

:picard2:

Have you seen a Meskhetian Turk? Honestly? Denial is strong in this one. That is fine. You are a "Meskhetian Turk".

Now, it begs the question, what is a "Meskhetian Turk"? What would then be the difference between a "Meskhetian Turk" versus say a Tartar? This is all monkey business to escape the truth.

You know my roots better than me? Yeah, I've seen and have been seeing many Meskhetian Turks, my dad, my grandpa, my aunt, my cousins... :p