Medieval Bosnia

[Hurrem sultana]

Here we post pictures,texts anything about Bosnia from middle ages

Stecci are old bogomil tombstones that you can find all over Bosnia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Stecak_Radimlja.jpg


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPIGfFG6ZP3iUuEVbDCJ3pe8-BtbV38-JA0EEcvYqQ4RVIdFEC-g

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRt96elMcz7u2MFpgW2GkemccjMoic_V hvYr3P1okOWkYliOocZWA

[Hurrem sultana]

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/76945988.jpg

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1157/1352628612_924c1da942_z.jpg

Early islamic graves(nisani) are found at same places with stecci,like here:

http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/16755865.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Sarajevo_Stecci_3.JPG

[Methmatician]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4980
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4979
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4976
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4977
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4978
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4974
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4973
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4972
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4966
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=4959

[Mraz]

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[archangel]

these stones look cool

[Hurrem sultana]

Turbe to last bosnian princess,she converted to islam together with her brother Ahmed pasa Hercegovic Kosaca

http://www.bosona.ba/img/turbe2.jpg

[Cokolino]

Turbe to last bosnian princess,she converted to islam together with her brother Ahmed pasa Hercegovic Kosaca

http://www.bosona.ba/img/turbe2.jpg

I heard it was located in Skopje, Macedonia? Because of this convertion, her mother Katarina wrote in her last will, the kingdom of Bosnia is rightfully theirs if her children convert back to Christianity. If not, the kingdom is signed over to the Pope. Some say, that is why the triangle in our flag is vatican-yellow ;)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fvmQihxcvs

[Hurrem sultana]

Queen Katarinas son,daughter and her brother converted to islam.Her son was Isa beg Kraljevic,he was one of the most important men in the ottoman empire,later on his son married sultans daughter.So bosniak royal family offsprings converted to islam and continued to be a important part of Bosnia

The vatican thing is ,well Vatican took care of her,the fact is she gave away her children to her brother and she knew he will convert to islam.She accepted it because most of the ruling class of Bosnia converted,but of course she could not tell it openly while in Vatican.

The turbe is Macedonia yes,some bosniaks want it back to Bosnia,i hope they will get it

[Cokolino]

Queen Katarinas son,daughter and her brother converted to islam.Her son was Isa beg Kraljevic,he was one of the most important men in the ottoman empire,later on his son married sultans daughter.So bosniak royal family offsprings converted to islam and continued to be a important part of Bosnia

The vatican thing is ,well Vatican took care of her,the fact is she gave away her children to her brother and she knew he will convert to islam.She accepted it because most of the ruling class of Bosnia converted,but of course she could not tell it openly while in Vatican.

The turbe is Macedonia yes,some bosniaks want it back to Bosnia,i hope they will get it

Back to Jajce, the royal tombs there? I remember there was an attempt to retrieve Queen Katarina back from Rome, an initiative at least. But, there was of course no political consensus. So nothing happened, again. I would also like to get back the charter (povelja) of Ban Kulin back home from St.Petersburg, it is after all the earliest document where Bosnia is mentioned as a sovereign state (and Dubrovnik too). There was a request fowarded to the Russians, but they refused even to lend it for a temporary exhibition...So I doubt that the turbe is going anywhere, according to past experiences.

The main priority should be to get our national museum functioning again, and perhaps get more sites onto the UNESCO world heritage list, it should open up for funding and better expertise. Jajce, Pocitelj, Stolac, Bascarsija and so on...

Here is a interesting video from Jajce, our medieval capital, with bosnian language and english subtitles;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbMR-_1XVTc

[Scholarios]

thanks for the extremely cool, very interesting non-political history post. it's refreshing.

[Sisak]

"Stečci" from Dalmatinska Zagora (region in Croatia)

http://i38.tinypic.com/33tj7d1.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/5nlmqt.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/jra236.gif
http://i38.tinypic.com/5cylhu.jpg

Different groups of tombstones, which may find themselves in one area, are a reflection of several local workshops or master blacksmith, as they called themselves in the descriptions.Only 34 blacksmith names are known : from Bogdan, Braje, DragiSa through Grubač, which in the second half of the 15th century was the most sought after and most active, thus the best carver, Mihalj Bjelopčelanina Pribila, Milutin Kablovic to the last detected blacksmith Jurina, to whom attributed to "the most beautiful and richest decorated sljemenaci of Dalmatian type around Imotskogi fields in northwestern Bosnia" (A. Milosevic).

[Hurrem sultana]

Kraljica Elizabeta Bosnjacka(Bośniaczka)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qVYJ6_8uhk

[sido]

Bosnian dynasti Kotroman-by Enver Imamovic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSgGm3xif60

[Sisak]

Povelja Kulina bana -Charter of Kulin ban, 1189. issued, the first written Bosnian document, a trade agreement between Bosnia and the republic of Dubrovnik
http://i35.tinypic.com/14uw66f.jpg
The original copy is in the Academy of Arts and Sciences in St. Petersburg, Russia, was taken in the early 19th century.

U hrvatskim skolama se uci da je ta povelja bila prijevara? da li je isto i kod vas?

[Sisak]

I fount this pictures and informations on this facebook page, it is really interesting page with a lot of informations:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Traditional-Croatian-Tattoo/222413247770680

Ancient Stečci from Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia, notice svastika symbols:
http://i41.tinypic.com/3176wcy.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jjtwmh.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/mije40.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2r4j2if.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/j9n0hz.jpg

Motive of spiral found on stečci, it is preslavic symbol of death and resurrection:
http://i39.tinypic.com/ibz5ap.jpg

Illyrian symbols- again swastika:
http://i42.tinypic.com/qsmamc.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/70c5xw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/2r74wfl.jpg


Development of swastikas in region of Slavonia, Croatia, 16, 17. century, traditional eggs:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2wejuwj.jpg

[kvarc]

Povelja Kulina bana -Charter of Kulin ban, 1189. issued, the first written Bosnian document, a trade agreement between Bosnia and the republic of Dubrovnik
http://i35.tinypic.com/14uw66f.jpg
The original copy is in the Academy of Arts and Sciences in St. Petersburg, Russia, was taken in the early 19th century.

U hrvatskim skolama se uci da je ta povelja bila prijevara? da li je isto i kod vas?

niko zivi ne uci to kao prevaru.... valjda zato sto se pominju Srbi kao stanovnici Bosne. pa ste ga zato proglasili za prevaru :D

[Sisak]

To se uci da je prijevara jer su kao htjeli "preveslati" Dubrovcane. Ljudi nisu toliko ludi da bi pricali kojekakve budalastine, npr. profesori. Kakve oni imaju veze s time, hoce oni nesta zaraditi na tome?

[CrystalMaiden]

niko zivi ne uci to kao prevaru.... valjda zato sto se pominju Srbi kao stanovnici Bosne. pa ste ga zato proglasili za prevaru :D

Pročitaj povelju :lol:

[CrystalMaiden]

To se uci da je prijevara jer su kao htjeli "preveslati" Dubrovcane. Ljudi nisu toliko ludi da bi pricali kojekakve budalastine, npr. profesori. Kakve oni imaju veze s time, hoce oni nesta zaraditi na tome?


To je istina, Kulin je bio malo šupkast sa svim "nepovraćenim" investicijama i dugovima :p

[kvarc]

izvinjavam se, pobrkao sam ovu povelju sa poveljenom Meteja Ninoslava, gde svoje podanike naziva Srbima a dubrovacke Vlasima :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I fount this pictures and informations on this facebook page, it is really interesting page with a lot of informations:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Traditional-Croatian-Tattoo/222413247770680

Ancient Stečci from Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia, notice svastika symbols:
http://i41.tinypic.com/3176wcy.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jjtwmh.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/mije40.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2r4j2if.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/j9n0hz.jpg

Motive of spiral found on stečci, it is preslavic symbol of death and resurrection:
http://i39.tinypic.com/ibz5ap.jpg

Illyrian symbols- again swastika:
http://i42.tinypic.com/qsmamc.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/70c5xw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/2r74wfl.jpg


Development of swastikas in region of Slavonia, Croatia, 16, 17. century, traditional eggs:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2wejuwj.jpg

Those are from ancient period, long before sllavs came in.

Swastika symbol was very much spread in balkans esp. the western part.

[Sisak]

Villager were making eggs with the same symbols, and Bosnian Croats were tattooed with the same symbols. I do not believe that a farmer know what the Illyrians were. Besides, such similar circles exist on the tombstones and crosses of the ancient Celtic symbols. Ask members Catrau.