Classify Hungarian singer

[Szegedist]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WEEfZRh-EZw/0.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4069/4435553027_3888036bfb_z.jpg?zz=1

http://www.magyartudat.com/wp-content/uploads/petras_janos.png

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/375421_301813313173476_1146104742_n.jpg

[Dengizik]

Karpatia! Awesome singer.

Turanid.

[aherne]

Turanid mostly. Representative for the Turkic tribes ancient Magyars mixed with, but not of ancient Magyars themselves, who were fully White and of Uralic racial type.

[Szegedist]

Turanid mostly. Representative for the Turkic tribes ancient Magyars mixed with, but not of ancient Magyars themselves, who were fully White and of Uralic racial type.

And you have a picture of an ancient Magyar, or are you just assuming?

[aherne]

And you have a picture of an ancient Magyar, or are you just assuming?

There were no mongoloids in Europe (except Samoyeds) previous to Turkic invasions, which started with Huns and ended with Tatars. Previous to that, racial anthropology shows only people of Uralic ("East Baltid") racial type in the homeland of Magyars (probably the forests / steppe-forests of Bashkir highlands).

This video shows the Turanid-Uralic mixture Ancient Magyars at the time they entered Pannonian plains consisted of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jBG37nwVGo

[Pallantides]

This guy could fit in Scandinavia, look like an average 40 year old male.

[Proto-Shaman]

Here you can see his Turanid traits in a better perspective:
http://www.nemzetibulvar.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/petras-molics2-presso.jpg

[RussiaPrussia]

its just his bald head

[oh-nahhh]

Dinarid+Turanid.

[blogen]

Turanid mostly. Representative for the Turkic tribes ancient Magyars mixed with, but not of ancient Magyars themselves, who were fully White and of Uralic racial type.

The ancient Magyars in the West Siberian homeland were almost all Turanids. The 10th century Magyars were mostly Turanids and Pamirids.

[blogen]

Anyway, the singer is Mongolo-Turanid, highly mongolized version of the Turanids.

[aherne]

The ancient Magyars in the West Siberian homeland were almost all Turanids. The 10th century Magyars were mostly Turanids and Pamirids.

Ancient Magyars came from modern Bashkortostan. Racially they had nothing in common with Turkics, who originated from Altai-Sayan region. 10th century Magyars had a Turanid element but they were mostly Hungarian by blood (otherwise chances are high would have spoken a Turkic language).

[InperatoreBT]

Turanid mostly.

[Proto-Shaman]

also classify these guys, please:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112168-classify-Kurdish-man
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112172-classify-another-Kurdish-man
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112217-classify-Kurdish-PKK-fighter

[Proto-Shaman]

Ancient Magyars came from modern Bashkortostan. Racially they had nothing in common with Turkics, who originated from Altai-Sayan region. 10th century Magyars had a Turanid element but they were mostly Hungarian by blood (otherwise chances are high would have spoken a Turkic language).
10th century Magyars were almost Turanid and Pamirid. This is the "Hungarian blood".

[ButlerKing]

Such faces are extremely isolated and rare they do not even represent a minority.

[Dombra]

Turanid with minor Dinarid

Karpathia :D

[blogen]

Ancient Magyars came from modern Bashkortostan. Racially they had nothing in common with Turkics, who originated from Altai-Sayan region. 10th century Magyars had a Turanid element but they were mostly Hungarian by blood (otherwise chances are high would have spoken a Turkic language).

This was the ancient Magyars route:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7633/zzcx.jpg

And they were very common with the Turks, since great part of the Turks were Turanid too. The Turanid is a Protoeuropid (Cromagnoid)+Mongoloid mix. And this was the short anthropological story of the Magyars:

Ugors: Protoeuropids with Uralid elements
proto-Magyars (Cherkaskul culture): Protoeuropids with Turanid elements
ancient Magyars (Sargat culture): mostly Turanids with Protoeuropids
nomad Magyars (Uelgi, Kushnarenkovo, Subbotci cultures): Turanids and Pamirids (Alan and Khwarazmian elements)
10th century Magyars (Honfoglaló culture): Turanids and Pamirids mixed with various Europid elements

[aherne]

This was the ancient Magyars route:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7633/zzcx.jpg

And they were very common with the Turks, since great part of the Turks were Turanid too. The Turanid is a Protoeuropid (Cromagnoid)+Mongoloid mix. And this was the short anthropological story of the Magyars:

Ugors: Protoeuropids with Uralid elements
proto-Magyars (Cherkaskul culture): Protoeuropids with Turanid elements
ancient Magyars (Sargat culture): mostly Turanids with Protoeuropids
nomad Magyars (Uelgi, Kushnarenkovo, Subbotci cultures): Turanids and Pamirids (Alan and Khwarazmian elements)
10th century Magyars (Honfoglaló culture): Turanids and Pamirids mixed with various Europid elements

In simple words: bullshit.


Emergence from the Ugric speakers[edit]

The Hungarian language is traditionally classified in a Ugric branch of the Uralic languages,[1][3][4] though the Ugric similarities may be due to an areal influence that also included Samoyedic.[5] The Uralic languages may have separated sometime around 4000 to 2000 BC.[3][4]
Climate changes around 1300 BC resulted in the northward expansion of the steppes which compelled several groups within the proto-Ugric people to turn to the nomadic lifestyle.[3][4][6] This change was strengthened by the several proto-Iranian groups living south of them who had been practicing pastoral nomadism and whose influence on the proto-Ugric people can be proven by several loanwords[7] in their languages.[3][4][8] The formation of the Hungarian language occurred around this time (between 1000 BC and 500 BC) and can be localized to the southern regions of the Ural Mountains.[1]
Following a further climate change around 800 BC that caused the expansion of the taiga, the nomadic proto-Ugric groups (probably the ancestors of the Magyars) had to move southward; thus they separated from the ancestors of the Khanty and Mansi peoples.[1][3]
The Hungarian Urheimat[edit]
The Hungarian Urheimat (Hungarian: magyar őshaza) is the theoretical original homeland of the Magyars. The term urheimat comes from linguistics and tends to be reserved for discussion about language origin. As applied to national origin, it refers to the area where ancestors of the Magyars formed an ethnic unity, speaking a language ancestral to Hungarian, and practising Nomadic pastoralism. There is a consensus that the Hungarian urheimat in this ethnogenetic sense must have been located somewhere in the steppe zone south of the Ural Mountains.[1][3]
One view[9] states that the Magyar Urheimat is the same as the Ugric language group's urheimat on the western side of the Ural Mountains.[10] The territory of Yugra tends to be identified as the Ob-Ugric languages urheimat and not the earlier Ugric period; and thus the western side of the Urals in the vicinity of the Kama river is considered to be the Ugric language urheimat.[11] It is believed that the Magyars emerged from this western Ural Urheimat, based upon early language influence from Permic peoples.[10] Herodotus in the 5th century BC probably depicted the ancestors of Hungarians when mentioning the Yugra people living west of the Urals.[12]
Another view claims that the urheimat is roughly the same area as Yugra to the east of the Ural Mountains, where the Khanty and Mansi peoples live today. The time when the proto-Magyars moved westwards from the regions east of the Ural Mountains and settled down in Bashkiria (around the region where the Kama River joins the Volga) is still under debate.[4] Their movement may have been caused by new migrations of peoples in the 4th century AD, but it may have also connected to the appearance of a new archaeological culture (Kushnarenkovo culture) in the region in the 6th century AD.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_prehistory#Formation_of_the_Magyar_peopl e

The problem is the other argument has little linguistic, racial and historical backing. Magyars were the original inhabitants of Bashkortostan that got under late strong Turkic influence (as Bashkir Tatars today, their features became a mix of Uralic, Turanid and Aryan). This is supported by ample evidence, INCLUDING semi-contemporary evidence:

Basándose en documentos escritos en el siglo XII y XIII que mencionan Ungaria maior o Ungaria magna, autores modernos usan el nombre Magna Hungaria (literalmente “Vieja” o “Gran Hungría”) cuando se referieren al territorio donde los ancestros de los magiares solían vivir.1 16 En 1235, Julianus localizó esta tierra directamente al este de la capital de la Bulgaria del Volga.1

http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Hungaria

[blogen]

In simple words: bullshit.

These are the last Hungarian, Russian and Ukrainian scientific results and standpoints about the Hungarian history and prehistory in the Eurasian steppe. And currently a Hungarian archaeological expedition researches the Uelgi culture for example. (http://www.hungarianarchaeology.hu/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/eng_turk_12Ny_0827.pdf)


The problem is the other argument has little linguistic, racial and historical backing. Magyars were the original inhabitants of Bashkortostan that got under late strong Turkic influence (as Bashkir Tatars today, their features became a mix of Uralic, Turanid and Aryan). This is supported by ample evidence, INCLUDING semi-contemporary evidence:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Hungaria

Magna Hungaria = Kushnarenkovo culture. A short episode in the Hungarian history. The Hungarian ethnogenesis happened in Western Siberia and we know this since fifty years already, since the Soviet archaeologists excavated the prehistory and paleoanthropology of Western Siberia. So your ignorance is your problem.

[Stears]

There were no mongoloids in Europe (except Samoyeds) previous to Turkic invasions, which started with Huns and ended with Tatars. Previous to that, racial anthropology shows only people of Uralic ("East Baltid") racial type in the homeland of Magyars (probably the forests / steppe-forests of Bashkir highlands).

This video shows the Turanid-Uralic mixture Ancient Magyars at the time they entered Pannonian plains consisted of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jBG37nwVGo

many of them are gypsy and cuman. They are not related to ethnic Hungarians.

[Smeagol]

Dinarized Turanid.

[Hungarian_master]

Mostly Turanid with some Dinarid influence.