Is Feminism a sign of an unhealthy society?

[Æmeric]

I'm not blaming societal ills on feminism ... rather, feminism is the product of an ill society -- not the other way around.



Feminism: 1;Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. 2;The movement organized around this belief.


Do you agree with Loki? Is Feminism a sign of an ill society. Which would mean a healthy society is one without Feminism?We all want a healthy society don't we?:)

[Loki]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.

[Æmeric]

So the belief in the social, political & economic equality of the sexes is reactionary?

Reactionary:Vehemently, often fanatically opposing progress or reform.

[Frigga]

Well, there are different types of feminism. The militant, men hating, Feminazis as they are called I feel are misguided, and dumb for blaming all of their ills on misogynists. The best form of feminism is one that still loves and respects the male gender, but will not stand for inequality. Feminism should not be about hatred, after all, the feminine gender is traditionally more loving and nuturing. And it's not bias, it's hormonal fact.

[The Lawspeaker]

So the belief in the social, political & economic equality of the sexes is reactionary?

Reactionary:Vehemently, often fanatically opposing progress or reform.
Feminism lost it's original meaning and goal a long time ago. Feminism now merely seeks to reverse society and serves the interest of the political left. I can agree with the ideas of gender equality but not with the ideas of the 1970s second wave feminism that broke down the very stability of the family and thus of society but by then that movement was already infiltrated by the left.

[Loki]

Regarding this option:



Loki is only espousing gender equality because he has sex on the brain.


My views on what constitutes fairness and morality are not influenced by a desire to impress women. For that I buy flowers and chocolates. ;)

[Atlas]

This man didn't like Feminists :

http://www.citynews.ca/images/2006-12/dec0606-lepine.jpg

[WinterMoon]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.


This is what I have always believed as well.... feminism is a reaction. I dislike feminism, and the need of women to place themselves in a position that is "equal" to men. Women lost their "equality" the minute they began to push for it.

[Tansy]

Feminism becomes unhealthy when women forgo motherhood and family life for a self-defined professional career. I agree with WinterMoon -- women do not need to compete with men to give themselves value.

[Aemma]

This man didn't like Feminists :

http://www.citynews.ca/images/2006-12/dec0606-lepine.jpg

This person had a grudge that he didn't get into the École Polytechnique and sought to take it out on women thinking that a woman took up a spot that he could have filled. I'm not so sure I would say that the women that were slaughtered on that day were feminists just because they had the ability and wherewithall to apply and get accepted into a male-dominated program though. I mean just because you have the aptitude and ability to study in a male-dominated field DOESN't necessarily make you a feminist. It makes you a person in tune with what your potential is as a human being and acting upon it: I have the aptitude for maths and sciences therefore I will study maths and sciences. Gender shouldn't be a factor in terms of what one studies in life imho.

I would rather say "This man didn't like women" as opposed to feminists.

A most unfortunate part of Canadian history I have to say though. :(

[Manifest Destiny]

It depends on what one means by "feminism".

If you mean that men and women should be treated equally under the law, receive equal pay for equal work, etc., then I'd say feminism is NECESSARY for a healthy society.

If, by "feminism", you are referring to the nutty man-haters who believe all sex is rape, fathers are irrelevant to a child's well-being, etc., then I'd say that a society can't be healthy so long as such views are considered legitimate.

[Aemma]

Feminism becomes unhealthy when women forgo motherhood and family life for a self-defined professional career. I agree with WinterMoon -- women do not need to compete with men to give themselves value.

No you're right Tansy and I agree with both you and Wintermoon to a point; I especially like and agree with your last sentence. HOWEVER, a woman shouldn't deny herself the potential to pursue that which she can pursue intellectually either imo. We have many fine young women here who have or are in the midst of studying in the more traditional male-dominated fields. I think it speaks well of a society when a person is recognised as being able to apply his or her gifts and develop his or her potentiality as a human being with respect to intellectual endeavours as well.

Gone are the days when a woman was herded into the Secretarial stream right after high school. That or Nursing or Education or Social Work. Not that these acitivities are bad or demeaning for they too are important work. But if a woman has the intellectual capacity to study Geological or Mining Engineering, or Robotics or Surveying, why can't, or better, shouldn't she?

And just because a woman does pursue a level of higher education does NOT mean that she will forego motherhood and family life. There are many women who finish off their degrees, get married and stay at home for a while and then go back to work once their children's more formative years have passed. There are also some, who finish raising their families and then seek higher education and then hit the ground running in the workforce. And of course there is everything else in between.

I'm not so sure it is the big "ism" of the feminine that is the problem in and of itself (although human beings love to be able to pin the blame on something tangible so let's give it an ism name) as opposed to ALL OF US needing to reshift some of our core values as a society. I truly think that as a society-- more specifically, the Greater Euro Culture, if I may be permitted to use such a term--we've lost the vision as to what we would like to be and have allowed ourselves to be herded like cattle into a Frenzy of Consumerism that has, well, consumed us all and is a far greater evil in the world. (Yes I fall prey to the pitfalls of isms as well ;))

Cheers Tansy and All!...Aemma :)

[Æmeric]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.If that is so then why hasn't feminism taken hold in places such as Yemen or Afghanistan? It is the countries where women are/were treated the best that feminism & especially radical feminism are the most advanced. And the most radical feminists come from privilege backgrounds. It wasn't the women who were beating the laundry against a rock who lead the women's movement, it was the ones with the comfortable upbringings & who got to go to college who became radicals, e.g. Hillary Clinton, Gloria Steinem, Barbara Boxer, Patricia Schroeder etc....



My views on what constitutes fairness and morality are not influenced by a desire to impress women. For that I buy flowers and chocolates. ;)

:rolleyes2:

[Manifest Destiny]

If that is so then why hasn't feminism taken hold in places such as Yemen or Afghanistan? It is the countries where women are/were treated the best that feminism & especially radical feminism are the most advanced. And the most radical feminists come from privilege backgrounds. It wasn't the women who were beating the laundry against a rock who lead the women's movement, it was the ones with the comfortable upbringings & who got to go to college who became radicals, e.g. Hillary Clinton, Gloria Steinem, Barbara Boxer, Patricia Schroeder etc....

Well, to be fair, people are less likely to be politically active when it will result in being executed.

[ikki]

Feminism: 1;Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. 2;The movement organized around this belief.


Do you agree with Loki? Is Feminism a sign of an ill society. Which would mean a healthy society is one without Feminism?We all want a healthy society don't we?:)

But thats not what feminism is about. That part is no more than a slogan... like islam being the religion of peace..

Today feminists are busy bringing in islam, making sure all the women wear burqas and whining about kindergarden women earning less than welding males.
That being the foundation for women earning 25% less... bs... women usually make more these days from the same job, exactly due to the propaganda. Just like men are stripped of all rights regarding their property or any children at divorces. (goes like this: theres a break.. she finds a new guy and brings him home... he leaves in disgust... and with that forfeits the right to return home or ever seeing the kids again. Hes still expected to keep paying the morgage tho)

[Óttar]

I have to weigh in on this topic. First off, I don't like the word "feminism." If feminism is truly about equality then why does it use such a one-sided term "feminism"? Why not "gender equality"? I am in agreement with Lawspeaker that the first wave of feminists were justified in securing the right to vote, ensuring that they had equal educational opportunities, and equal rights as private citizens.

I think beyond the first wave, women are justified in such things as being against the exaltation of thin, boyish looking women as the standard of beauty. I agree that women should have equality along with equal responsibility.

The problem lies with this shift from "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people" (fair enough) to "Feminism is the radical notion many women have of 'my gender right or wrong.'" "Feminism" has become an organized cabal of social engineering, the hijacking of our educational apparatus, and the erosion of male social forums and networks. I read a book called The Bridge over the Drina for my modern Middle Eastern history course. It talks about the coming of the Austrians into Serbian and Ottoman territory, and the shift from a laid back, traditional agrarian society, to a high-tech, fast-paced, mechanized society with its differing notions of time, perfectionism, micromanagement, social values etc. Under the Ottomans, the men congregated on this bridge where they smoked, conversed, played games, and drank brandy. After the Austrians come in with their 'liberated women', the women are on the bridge, walking about and being loud, and so this traditionally male forum for men to relax and be men together erodes and becomes a thing of the past.

In their rabid obsession with how women are supposedly being constantly wronged by an omniscient, oppressive "patriarchy" whose main objective as a machine is to oppress women, feminists are hypocrites in that they fail to realize that men are just as much subject to oppression, and double-standards. You don't see women out marching for father's rights, or lobbying against circumcision. All you ever see nowadays are these initiatives to aid women. Women's this, women's that; women are strong and independent and yet strangely they are apparently victims. All these initiatives and networks to aid women, to have women create wealth in developing countries, schools for women etc. Are there also not poor men who are missing out on their potential due to poverty and oppression? Why does a man get disqualified merely on account of being a man?

I guess I never thought that my life was worth less than a woman's.

After all, "men have feelings too, but like, who cares?"

Right, sister?

[Loki]

If that is so then why hasn't feminism taken hold in places such as Yemen or Afghanistan? It is the countries where women are/were treated the best that feminism & especially radical feminism are the most advanced.

What Dresden said (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81121&postcount=14). In Yemen and Afghanistan such things would not be allowed at all. Similarly, there aren't many thieves in Saudi Arabia. That doesn't mean people don't want to steal there, just that they would face losing a hand, hence they don't. Bring those Saudis to London, and see how they live out their repressed kleptomaniac fantasies! :D



It is the countries where women are/were treated the best that feminism & especially radical feminism are the most advanced.


Only in recent years have women gained more respect in the West. Half a century ago it was still not that unusual that a husband would give his wife a good beating, and get away with it. Not even Muslim husbands are allowed to do that.

[Beorn]

The end of a society is when the 'ism' becomes the norm.

[Frigga]

You don't see women out marching for father's rights, or lobbying against circumcision

Oh too true, they don't. :( They also like to ignore the fact that though domestic violence is prodomiately male against female, women also abuse men in relationships.

On a slight tangent, a couple of years ago, I had to go to a new OB/GYN. After receiving the take home packet in the mail, I was shocked to find this question in the packet:

Are there any firearms in your home?

The doctor's response to my indignation of being asked such a question, was that she was trying to protect battered women, and that most of the abuse against women occurred in the home. I was bullied into answering her, and I quipped back, "Yes, and a lot of them are mine!" :rolleyes2: Not every household with firearms in it is a ticking timebomb for domestic violence.

[Æmeric]

Well, to be fair, people are less likely to be politically active when it will result in being executed.


What Dresden said (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81121&postcount=14). In Yemen and Afghanistan such things would not be allowed at all. Similarly, there aren't many thieves in Saudi Arabia. That doesn't mean people don't want to steal there, just that they would face losing a hand, hence they don't. Bring those Saudis to London, and see how they live out their repressed kleptomaniac fantasies! :D



Only in recent years have women gained more respect in the West. Half a century ago it was still not that unusual that a husband would give his wife a good beating, and get away with it. Not even Muslim husbands are allowed to do that. The West is the most tolerant in regards to personal liberties, even when the franchise was not granted to women or most men. And having the vote doesn't protect women from abuse. Pakistan had a women prime minster but there are still notorious cases of female abuse in that country. And neither of you addressed the second part of my post:


And the most radical feminists come from privilege backgrounds. It wasn't the women who were beating the laundry against a rock who lead the women's movement, it was the ones with the comfortable upbringings & who got to go to college who became radicals, e.g. Hillary Clinton, Gloria Steinem, Barbara Boxer, Patricia Schroeder etc....


Why is it that the most radical feminists are those who have had the cushiest lives? It's really quite silly to see women who have never wanted & have never suffered abuse ranting about injustices done to women, because of inequality.

[Loki]

Why is it that the most radical feminists are those who have had the cushiest lives? It's really quite silly to see women who have never wanted & have never suffered abuse ranting about injustices done to women, because of inequality.

Probably because those people you mentioned have grown up in liberal-minded political homes (i.e. Democrats). Those kind of people you will also find in strongly capitalist countries. ;)

Money greed > individualism > liberal politics > feminism.

[Æmeric]

Money greed > individualism > liberal politics > feminism.

By your logic I should be a liberal & a feminist.:coffee:

[Loki]

By your logic I should be a liberal & a feminist.:coffee:

:) Not necessarily. It's just that those economic conditions are breeding grounds for individualism, which leads to all sorts of isms.

[Óttar]

Probably because those people you mentioned have grown up in liberal-minded political homes (i.e. Democrats).

More like "those people...have grown up in liberal minded political homes (Communists)."

We should rather call them "champagne socialists." These women are most likely also spoiled brats.

[Æmeric]

Russia was the first Communist nation & the experimental 'lab' of isms for much of the 20th century. They even endorsed radical female equality in the 20s. It was neither wealthy nor liberal before hand. I also don't think they had much individualism either as they were only about a generation removed from feudalism/serfdom.

[Loki]

They even endorsed radical female equality in the 20s.

There's nothing wrong with equality, though. :) In fact it's only right. Aggressive feminism is something else.

[Æmeric]

I'm sure it was aggressive, radical, feminism. Free love, abortion-on-demand, no-fault divorce. Generally anti-family. In the name of female equality.

[Loki]

I'm sure it was aggressive, radical, feminism. Free love, abortion-on-demand, no-fault divorce. Generally anti-family. In the name of female equality.

My knowledge about that event is not so great, so I'll give you the argument. I'll have to read up on it. :coffee:

[Óttar]

no-fault divorce

No fault divorce!? Divorce proceedings favor females! Why on earth would they espouse no fault divorce, when, according to our gynocratic divorce courts, it's always our fault?!

[Aemma]

In their rabid obsession with how women are supposedly being constantly wronged by an omniscient, oppressive "patriarchy" whose main objective as a machine is to oppress women, feminists are hypocrites in that they fail to realize that men are just as much subject to oppression, and double-standards. You don't see women out marching for father's rights, or lobbying against circumcision. All you ever see nowadays are these initiatives to aid women. Women's this, women's that; women are strong and independent and yet strangely they are apparently victims. All these initiatives and networks to aid women, to have women create wealth in developing countries, schools for women etc. Are there also not poor men who are missing out on their potential due to poverty and oppression? Why does a man get disqualified merely on account of being a man?

You're absolutely right Ottar and my own notion of "feminism"--a term I am not happy with myself actually and DON'T use to describe myself--has much more to do with looking at individuals than it does with making blanket assumptions about people based on gender. As I posted previously, if a woman has a certain aptitude for an activity, she should be able to enjoy pursuing this activity unfettered. And the same goes for a man of course. That was my point in my post.

But to come back to this paragraph of yours, it hits the nail on the head and speaks to a deeper ill. In all the gains that Women-as-a-Collective have made, it also unfortunately created a monster in that men have been dehumanised and devalued. I'll always remember a line from Roseanne (of all shows) when Dan is talking to DJ about something and then Dan (John Goodman) says: "DJ it's been a long time since it's been a good thing to be a white man." Or something to that effect anyway. Telling, even for a show from the what 80's?

I'm not happy with the fact that The Boy Scouts of Canada is now Scouts Canada and is co-ed. I'm not happy with some parents training their boys to sit down to take a pee (!!!...asked why, most parents say, well it keeps the bathroom cleaner!!:rolleyes:). I'm not happy with the fact that one day my son who will have qualifications for some career or line of work somewhere will AUTOMATICALLY not be looked at simply because he has a penis and is of Northern European heritage. I'm not happy with the number of boys being unnecessarily treated with Ritalin for supposed ADD/ADHD. I'm not happy with teachers being so focused on girls' learning that boys' learning and applicable methodologies geared towards boys has been pushed off to the side. I'm not happy that men cannot enjoy their own clubs anymore without it creating a kerfuffle. I'm not happy that boys cannot just be boys.

Please dear gentlemen, don't make assumptions about women that just because they agree with some aspects of feminist thought means that they can't see the forest for the trees neither.

I'm far from happy with the situation of our present society. But it is not only up to mothers of sons to take up the fight. Men have to do it for themselves as well. We all have to fight to redress this.

Cheers Ottar and all!...Aemma:)

[Æmeric]

My knowledge about that event is not so great, so I'll give you the argument. I'll have to read up on it. :coffee:

Odd thing is, in spite of gender equality in the Soviet Union, I'm not aware of any women ever being part of the Communist oligarch. Yes, they did put the first woman in space & let them do jobs that had been considered male, like construction. But the 50 or 100 most powerful people in the USSR (Communit Party Secretary, Head of the KGB, etc...) were always men.:icon1:

[WinterMoon]

No fault divorce!? Divorce proceedings favor females! Why on earth would they espouse no fault divorce, when, according to our gynocratic divorce courts, it's always our fault?!

:rolleyes:

[Sol Invictus]

I don't believe the sexes are at all equal in the ways that most feminists or tomboys think of. I think we were created, like tools of nature, to suit and fulfill certain duties. You wouldn't use a household too-hammer in order to break down a wall. You could, but you know there's another tool that's best suited for things like that and they are bigger and have a better capacity to bring down that wall. So anyone willing to salve themselves a handful of blisters and possibly strained wrist if you have a sledgehammer available! In the same capacity you wouldn't use a sledghammer to nail a common nail into the wall just to hang some pictures because that's just not the way it works.

[WinterMoon]

I don't believe the sexes are at all equal in the ways that most feminists or tomboys think of. I think we were created, like tools of nature, to suit and fulfill certain duties. You wouldn't use a household too-hammer in order to break down a wall. You could, but you know there's another tool that's best suited for things like that and they are bigger and have a better capacity to bring down that wall. So anyone willing to salve themselves a handful of blisters and possibly strained wrist if you have a sledgehammer available! In the same capacity you wouldn't use a sledghammer to nail a common nail into the wall just to hang some pictures because that's just not the way it works.

I agree. Equality is not the same as being literally equal. There is a quote that I like, but I apologize for not having a name to give credit to: "I will be fair, but I will not always be equal." The genders were created different for a reason. Equality doesn't mean that women should fly fighter jets and men should have babies. (Although some women certainly can fly a fighter jet, and I think it would be fun to see some men go through the woes of pregnancy. ;) )

I was talking with a friend one night and he commented about liking to do any things that women don't like to do. I agreed with him. There are many things that I am certainly capable of doing, but I have no problem allowing a man do those things which he enjoys doing. I have absolutely nothing against traditional gender roles. In fact, I embrace them. Unfortunately, in today's society it is not always possible. I am a strong supporter of what Aemma talked about regarding women in education. I also believe that marriage is not for everyone and women who are not married (or divorced, widowed, etc.) need to have a means of supporting themselves and their family..... without resorting to the ancient practice of prostitution.

[Frigga]

I remember a woman that I used to be friends with said that she thought that there shouldn't be the words he and she, and that dressing little girls in dresses was wrong, as there wasn't a difference between men and women! She thought that forcing gender rules on children was a form of abuse! :pound:

[Ariets]

Feminists are not product of society, so I don't agree with him. If its sign of ill society? No, its more like sign of socialist/egalitarist propaganda (just like homosexualism these days), so more like sign of undereducated or not logical thinking person/people.

[Sol Invictus]

I agree. Equality is not the same as being literally equal. There is a quote that I like, but I apologize for not having a name to give credit to: "I will be fair, but I will not always be equal." The genders were created different for a reason. Equality doesn't mean that women should fly fighter jets and men should have babies. (Although some women certainly can fly a fighter jet, and I think it would be fun to see some men go through the woes of pregnancy. ;) )

Exactly. There are tasks that can be done that both sexes, biologically speaking, can do very much exact. We're both humans. But I would like to challenge you, as well as inform myself, as to how many G's (G-Force) a woman can handle as a fighter pilot compared to how much a man can. That would perhaps make for some interesting discussion. But In regards to giving birth, it's obvious men are not capable, even though science is interfering with nature in that they are trying to change that, which is disgusting if you ask me. On the same side, Women are not biologically capable for fertilizing themselves without the source of a man's sperm. That's what I mean but each sex performing it's role that nature has given us.


I was talking with a friend one night and he commented about liking to do any things that women don't like to do. I agreed with him. There are many things that I am certainly capable of doing, but I have no problem allowing a man do those things which he enjoys doing. I have absolutely nothing against traditional gender roles. In fact, I embrace them. Unfortunately, in today's society it is not always possible. I am a strong supporter of what Aemma talked about regarding women in education. I also believe that marriage is not for everyone and women who are not married (or divorced, widowed, etc.) need to have a means of supporting themselves and their family..... without resorting to the ancient practice of prostitution.

That's where I agree that we are equal in that sense. I believe that women, as well as the man, aren't bound to a certain set of tasks that have to be religiously fulfilled or else it goes against nature. The transgender role of going up and picking your son or daughter up in the middle of night because it's crying shouldn't all all be the duty of the woman in the strictest sense. That is course if the baby is hungry, something a man cannot possibly do for himself to help the baby. Both are biologically capable of changing a dirty diaper, whiping a bum, or cooking food for the family, and I don't think that it's sole job of a woman to provide a meal to her husband when he comes home from work. It' sure is a nice gesture, but it sure isn't her absolute requirement if she has no desire to do so.

That woman is feeding and taking care of your kids for the entire day that you are gone for work. You don't think that caring for one or two newborns isn't a full time, paidless form of labour? How about when you come home from work, you go and make her a meal and let her eat while you go and look after the kids for a bit and let her go off to sleep if she wants to.

[Osweo]

Russia was the first Communist nation & the experimental 'lab' of isms for much of the 20th century. They even endorsed radical female equality in the 20s.
Aye, and THEN... 1937... :thumb001:

It was neither wealthy nor liberal before hand. I also don't think they had much individualism either as they were only about a generation removed from feudalism/serfdom.
YOu are thinking of the entire Empire, when you should be thinking about the backgrounds of the Bolsheviks. Lenin's family were very comfortable, newly ennobled, and produced two dangerous revolutionaries. Sasha was hanged for trying to blow up the Tsar. Volodya... Well, we know what became of him. :rolleyes:
THere's much a similar problem today, if you look at who are the idiots who prop up our present self-destructive ideology; young idealists, with parents who drive Bentleys. Swine like our Alastair Darling - posh as anything, yet a Trotskyist, and ruling the fate of millions of people.

My knowledge about that event is not so great, so I'll give you the argument. I'll have to read up on it. :coffee:
Kollontai, etc.

Odd thing is, in spite of gender equality in the Soviet Union, I'm not aware of any women ever being part of the Communist oligarch. Yes, they did put the first woman in space & let them do jobs that had been considered male, like construction. But the 50 or 100 most powerful people in the USSR (Communit Party Secretary, Head of the KGB, etc...) were always men.:icon1:
Thankyou God, for Soso Dzhugashvili. ;)
The history of the USSR is the history of the Russian Empire coming slowly back to consciousness after a hell of a binge session...

[WinterMoon]

I don't think that it's sole job of a woman to provide a meal to her husband when he comes home from work. It' sure is a nice gesture, but it sure isn't her absolute requirement if she has no desire to do so.


Some women find great enjoyment in performing this task. ;)

[Sol Invictus]

Some women find great enjoyment in performing this task. ;)

If you don't mind the little infants pulling at your leg while you do it then all the power to you! By all mean! Coming home to a hot meal after a hard day's work is one of the rare treats of working class men!

[Loddfafner]

I think the mainstream, Betty Friedan version of second-wave (post-suffragette) feminism was a response to the unhealthy development of suburbia in which families that would have been integral parts of actual communities were now more isolated from each other, with men leaving their lonely wives at a remote home.

The more stereotypical and absurd (think Mary Daly) variants of radical feminism were a response to specific tensions among hippies. The more ideological versions were the response of women within the very ideology-driven culture of leftwing organizations.

[Óttar]

:rolleyes:

Yeah? Prove me wrong. Why does alimony still exist if women are supposed to be self succient and equal?

[WinterMoon]

Yeah? Prove me wrong. Why does alimony still exist if women are supposed to be self succient and equal?

1) Not all women get alimony. In my state you would have to be married at least 10 years and the woman would also have to prove there is a need.

2) "Supposed to be self sufficient" is not the same as being self sufficient. Would you say that a woman who was a stay at home mother from the time she left highschool is just as equipped to financially provide for children as a man who spent years in the workforce and possibly has an education? Women who are self sufficient wouldn't get alimony in my state. I can't speak for all states, as I am not an expert in the law of all states.

3) Men are (http://www.theage.com.au/national/divorced-men-cry-poor-but-better-off-than-women-20090707-dbuv.html) often better (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/25/divorce-women-research) off financially (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/08/13/women-more-likely-than-men-to-take-huge-financial-hit-after-expe/) than women (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1556706/Women-worse-off-after-divorce.html)after divorce (http://www.insidedivorce.com/news-features/Do-men-do-better-in-divorce/).

Just for fun, I stuck links to various articles every two words in that last sentence. :)

[Lady L]

Extreme feminism is not my thing - I personally don't see anything wrong with women wanting to be independent and make good career choices for themselves. We all know the men they marry may not be up to par for taking care of them and the family - it may start out with good intentions but shit happens, that's life. Feminism in my view is far from an ill society. Sorry people, scum, child molesters, men murdering their own wives and children, women killing their own children, illegals everywhere, making young girls thinking being skinny and sexy is important at the age of 11, parents who don't teach their children respect, love for their kind, etc etc - is to blame for this ill society. Whether it be man or women- they need to be strong, they need to be able to take care of their families, love their families and teach children right from wrong, and in that we can maybe see a less ill society. :)

[Manifest Destiny]

No fault divorce!? Divorce proceedings favor females! Why on earth would they espouse no fault divorce, when, according to our gynocratic divorce courts, it's always our fault?!

"No-fault" is just the name. That's not actually how it works, though. Kinda like how "low fat" food isn't necessarily healthy.

[Osweo]

Odd thing is, in spite of gender equality in the Soviet Union, I'm not aware of any women ever being part of the Communist oligarch. Yes, they did put the first woman in space & let them do jobs that had been considered male, like construction. But the 50 or 100 most powerful people in the USSR (Communit Party Secretary, Head of the KGB, etc...) were always men.:icon1:

http://www.davno.ru/posters/1950/img/poster-1950a.jpg
"Such women didn't exist, and couldn't have done, in the Bad Old Days!" - J. Stalin


Feminism is fine, as long as Dear Father Stalin is around to keep a loving patriarchal eye on it... :tongue

[anonymaus]

"No-fault" is just the name. That's not actually how it works, though. Kinda like how "low fat" food isn't necessarily healthy.

If a divorce was as bland and boring as low fat food, that would be good for everyone. :D

[Cato]

Radical feminism is a sign of a sick society; feminism itself is not, where women merely want equal political and social rights as men.

[Tabiti]

Feminism is often caused by inadequate male behavior, which means something went wrong in society before its "birth". There should be a balance of male/female relations and energies in nature and every "polarization" leads to disbalance, creating homosexualism, feminism, sexism and all negative traits of the nowadays society.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I think that it is vitally important that men and women have their own separate spaces, but feminists only want that for women.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Would you say that a woman who was a stay at home mother from the time she left highschool is just as equipped to financially provide for children as a man who spent years in the workforce and possibly has an education?

That's what 'child support' is for, to financially provide for children. Alimony is paid to able bodied adults, after the marital property is divided, usually in half regardless of which spouse earned the money used to purchase it. We let people profit that much from divorce, and then wonder why families aren't staying together anymore.

A local radio show occasionally does an hour where people can call in and tell their story, a typical situation is a wife cheats on her husband, he catches her and gets divorced, then ends up having to pay alimony to her while she lives with her new boyfriend (not getting married because then the alimony will end).

Also the alimony usually does not get lowered if the guy's income goes down, and if he gets remarried, his new wife's income can be garnished to pay the alimony.

Yes, it does suck to start over with nothing (they actually start over with half the marital assets), but people every day have to do this: people who lose jobs, new college graduates, people who lose a house to a natural disaster, etc.

Don't want to give up the lifestyle? Don't get divorced!

[Loki]

Don't want to give up the lifestyle? Don't get divorced!

It's easy to say that, but some people dislike being abused domestically on a regular basis. Not even a lifestyle is worth it at times.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.

No equality in nature: Man and woman designed to complement not compete--to love & complete one another. Sex-roles vital to survival, motivation & personal fulfillment.
Feminism: The attack on femininity--on woman;--reflecting hatred and loathing for all things female; ultimately an attack on our capacity for happiness, even on life itself.

[Psychonaut]

It's easy to say that, but some people dislike being abused domestically on a regular basis. Not even a lifestyle is worth it at times.

Oh come on, don't set up a straw man. :no no

When I think of alimony, I think of my dad. My mother divorced him because she didn't like that he, as a sailor, was constantly out to sea. So, in addition to paying her child support for my two sisters and I, he payed her alimony. She bled him dry for seventeen years, and it was an absolute disgrace.

[SwordoftheVistula]

It's easy to say that, but some people dislike being abused domestically on a regular basis.

Then they shouldn't marry 'thug' guys. Also the type of guys who beat on their women don't generally have much money for alimony. Alimony goes to middle/upper class ex-wives who usually leave/cheat because they are bored. Again the choice of mate comes into play-they marry guys who are 'go-getter types' with good jobs, then complain about the hours the guy has to work to maintain that lifestyle.

[Frigga]

Then they shouldn't marry 'thug' guys.

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Very often, women who choose thug men are survivors of abuse, but unhealed. Many times they don't think that anything is wrong with themselves, just their bad decisions. Abuse survivors have an aching wound on their souls that is the scar of their trauma. In a vicious cycle, they feel, and truly believe that they do not deserve a good man who treats them well. They will either actively seek bad boys, or not complain when they come knocking. These unfortunate people feel like they earn the men who beat them, rape them, or emotionally abuse them, as they do not think that they deserve anything better. It is Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and they need deep therapy like EMDR to help them get to what is causing the circumstances.

Also, tougher punishments for those who victimize others in relationships of trust. They only serve to further this ugly chain of events.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Very often, women who choose thug men are survivors of abuse, but unhealed. Many times they don't think that anything is wrong with themselves, just their bad decisions. Abuse survivors have an aching wound on their souls that is the scar of their trauma. In a vicious cycle, they feel, and truly believe that they do not deserve a good man who treats them well. They will either actively seek bad boys, or not complain when they come knocking. These unfortunate people feel like they earn the men who beat them, rape them, or emotionally abuse them, as they do not think that they deserve anything better. It is Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and they need deep therapy like EMDR to help them get to what is causing the circumstances.

Also, tougher punishments for those who victimize others in relationships of trust. They only serve to further this ugly chain of events.

OK, so it's some kind of compulsion, but why stick the rest of society with picking up the pieces? Some goes for drug addicts, compulsive gamblers, etc but at least they don't have 'gender rights lobbies' campaigning on their behalf.


To add to this topic, some stories I heard talking with police officers in a city I used to live in:

The city/state had a program which would put up 'domestic violence victims' in hotels. It was not uncommon for the woman, once at the hotel, to ring up the 'abuser' and invite him over to her hotel room for a night of fun.

'Restraining orders' are also frequently abused. One woman would call in every Friday evening 'my ex stalking me outside my house', the cops would go out and arrest him and he would sit in jail the whole weekend until the courts opened on Monday and he could be processed. One Friday afternoon the guy comes down to the police station, introduces himself and sits and waits, and sure enough the phone call comes "this guy is right outside my house blah blah etc." I asked if she was punished in any way for making these false police reports, "nope", although the poor guy did get to stop spending every weekend in jail.

[lei.talk]

Not as Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula
Don't want to give up the lifestyle? Don't get divorced! Don't get married!

[Loki]

Oh come on, don't set up a straw man. :no no

When I think of alimony, I think of my dad. My mother divorced him because she didn't like that he, as a sailor, was constantly out to sea. So, in addition to paying her child support for my two sisters and I, he payed her alimony. She bled him dry for seventeen years, and it was an absolute disgrace.

Well of course, every situation is different and people are different. It's unfortunate to hear about your parents' difficult circumstances.

[WinterMoon]

That's what 'child support' is for, to financially provide for children. Alimony is paid to able bodied adults, after the marital property is divided, usually in half regardless of which spouse earned the money used to purchase it. We let people profit that much from divorce, and then wonder why families aren't staying together anymore.

A local radio show occasionally does an hour where people can call in and tell their story, a typical situation is a wife cheats on her husband, he catches her and gets divorced, then ends up having to pay alimony to her while she lives with her new boyfriend (not getting married because then the alimony will end).

Also the alimony usually does not get lowered if the guy's income goes down, and if he gets remarried, his new wife's income can be garnished to pay the alimony.

Yes, it does suck to start over with nothing (they actually start over with half the marital assets), but people every day have to do this: people who lose jobs, new college graduates, people who lose a house to a natural disaster, etc.

Don't want to give up the lifestyle? Don't get divorced!

Maybe it is like that in your state, but not in mine. If you had read my post you would have known that. ;)

I know the difference between alimony and child support. I think often men do not. I hear men on a continual basis speaking about paying all their money to support their ex-wife, when in reality what they are paying is child support.

Personally, I would like to see statistics that show how many women in each state are reciving alimony. I have never personally known any.

I'd like to reply to more things in this thread, but I don't have the time right now.

[Lady L]

Oh my goodness!!!! It seems around here many of you men members bring up these scenarios where all women are at fault! They cheat! Their bored! :rolleyes: Of course it's true for some married couples. But, is it not also true the husbands find younger women, trophy wives, and or simply get bored with their marriages and cheat!

And, here is a wake up call for you guys, so many of you want your wives to stay home and take care of the family - yet you don't seem to realize for whatever reason a divorce comes up that maybe since the man and wife had agreed to her staying home, after the divorce she does deserve alimony. She gave up her working out of the home for the family, and needs help for herself and the children while she gets on her feet.

There are more men in this world who act as if owing child support is a disgrace. While the single mother busts her ass to take care of their children. Most times it is men who are dead beat dads. So I really don't know what ya'll are complaining about. If you fear some woman will suck you dry for alimony then don't marry the wrong girl. If you fear you will have to actually support your children keep your dick in your pants!!!!!!!!

[Tansy]

I don't think it's fair to make generalizations about the behavior of either sex in marriage or relationships. Both men and women cheat, make poor decisions, let greed get the better of them, etc. The real problem is social liberalism and the way it causes the breakdown of families.

[Bari]

To me it appears that feminism is not just about equal rights for women, but more about getting advantages they find suitable in society. They want minimum amount of women in working places, but they do not want to join the army like men...:rolleyes:

As well the feminiss seem to put this self-realization thing in front of family life/values/marriage to prove what? That women too can be leaders? People got the point now. But continuing to ravage a family structure that is as old as life itself, i don't perceive as healthy or a good thing. This what i call "sex in the city"- mentality is nothing but egoism. Sleeping with a lot of men is not making a woman more free either imo. Women and men are different. We have different tasks in life as to work and responsibility for children. But i doesn't mean we ain't equally worthy as human beings!

[anonymaus]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2436&stc=1&d=1250443960

*ahem*

:runs:

[WinterMoon]

Alimony goes to middle/upper class ex-wives who usually leave/cheat because they are bored. Again the choice of mate comes into play-they marry guys who are 'go-getter types' with good jobs, then complain about the hours the guy has to work to maintain that lifestyle.

Source?





I wonder how come noone mentions that women may also be required to pay alimony. :mmmm:

[whathappen]

Well, think about this:

1960-1980s: Feminism movement. Civil rights movement. Massive increase of wealthfare. Decline of space exploration.

I'd say that that is a pretty sick society.

[Germanicus]

The real reason the Roman Empire retreated to the Eastern Empire is because they were effeminised, and had to many public holidays, and they had weak men ruled by their harder women....:D

[Vargtand]

Feminism is a clear sign of an unhealthy society. how ever what you list as feminism is like listing communism only for what its core principles are and not for the actual shit it has caused.

The same with feminism who hide behind the bandwagon of equality as if that goal would justify any and every means possible. Feminism is an evil if you will that has no place in a society, it is a danger to the very essence of what makes us civilised humans, which is culture as it wishes to trade away and pick and chose behaviours based on a political agenda and not what is actually good for the people.
It is also a power hungry movement which has its goal at accumulating as much power as it can to its leaders, and does so by flirting with their mindless subjects feeding them lies. which can not be questioned because similar if you were to question the church if you question feminism you are a heretic, and one who opposes freedom. one who oppresses women one who protects rape of women murdering of women etc, this is what you are accused of to protect if you argue against feminism, it is a childish we and them, either you are with us or against us movement which is lead by political extremists and supported by the clinical naive

[Lorene]

No, thank feminists of the past, now women have a lot of rights!

[Efim45]

What good is it if women can vote? I personally believe Women's rights has led to an increase in homosexuality. Less women are raising their children properly because they have to go to work.

[GeistFaust]

No, thank feminists of the past women now have a lot of rights!

Why do you invest yourself into so much leftist dogma. You know it is the problem with society and is destroying all semblance of tradition and order. A free woman can be a dangerous woman because the woman's duty is to take care of the children I suppose you advocate for birth control so you can become a liberated woman.

[Karl der Große]

Men are the ones who more advocate birth control since they don't want great responsibilities anymore, too. We prefer liberated women. At least in Germany.

[GeistFaust]

Men are the ones who more advocate birth control since they don't want great responsibilities anymore, too. At least in Germany.

Perhaps they need to man up and take their role on. Its weak men that are not willing to take the responsibility on that are also the cause for such a weak and sissy culture. If Europe wants to defend itself from outside types perhaps it is time that they man up.

[Jägerstaffel]

A free woman can be a dangerous woman because the woman's duty is to take care of the children I suppose you advocate for birth control so you can become a liberated woman.

This is a terrible statement.

[SaxonCeorl]

Perhaps they need to man up and take their role on. Its weak men that are not willing to take the responsibility on that are also the cause for such a weak and sissy culture. If Europe wants to defend itself from outside types perhaps it is time that they man up.

Yeah, I'm all for men acting like real men.

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[Cato]

http://thejournalistachronicle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/scooter.jpg

Dykes on bikes?

[Raskolnikov]

No, thank feminists of the past, now women have a lot of rights!
Like many feminists in the media, I don't think this is a real poster.

[Debaser11]

It's pretty damning how the rise of feminism runs concurrently with the steep decline of the West.

The answer is "yes."

It's not about women having "rights." It's about women deciding they were not going to be bothered to fulfill their gender roles.

[Boudica]

I definitely believe that there should be equality, both men and women have done great things through out time, neither male or female is better, they both serve their purposes in society.

I think that the way women are treated in the Muslim/Islamic religion is wrong, although they seem to do it voluntarily. I think that it is very wrong that in many Muslim/Islamic families they REMOVE a CERTAIN area of an infant female's genitalia so that she will not enjoy sex, I think it's wrong that the man is allowed to be physically abusive towards their "wife" if she is "disobedient", and I think that it's wrong that in a medical emergency the man has the option to refuse the woman's sheet (or whatever the hell it is called) from being lifted in order for paramedics to give the woman oxygen. (a bit off topic but since this is the topic of equality I guess I thought it would be appropriate).

I think that women who pop babies out, and right away stick them in the hands of some one else, instead of playing a large role in taking care of the baby themselves need to reorganize their responsibilities.. A mother (and fathers) involvement is a MUST have in a child's development, especially in their early years. Many people on this thread are saying that a mother should not have a career and should only stay at home and take care of the kids. That is a nice thought, but the average male doesn't make the amount of money in order to provide for an entire family solely, with the average US family making a combined salary of 50 grand, (which means only 25 grand with out the woman) it is hardly possible for a man to solely make ends meet when there is more then one child, and the need to pay for rent, food, utilities, gas, insurance, and other necessities that he and his entire family need. So what happens then?

A woman is a human being, if she wishes to have a career she should be able to, however priorities need to properly be readjusted once a child comes along. I think that it is fine for both man and woman to have careers as long as the child is not being practically neglected and constantly thrown into day cares. I'm no feminist, in fact I don't know why there are still active feminist groups in the US since women now have equal rights in the US.

[Debaser11]

I definitely believe that there should be equality, both men and women have done great things through out time, neither male or female is better, they both serve their purposes in society.

If what you are proposing by "equality" is that men and women should be treated the same in every respect and not operate according to their natural gender niches in order to better serve society as a whole, then what you are advocating is irrational.

This has nothing to do with saying one gender is better than the other. It's the feminists who sink to that slummy level of ad hominem against men to make their "points."


I think that the way women are treated in the Muslim/Islamic religion is wrong, although they seem to do it voluntarily. I think that it is very wrong that in many Muslim/Islamic families they REMOVE a CERTAIN area of an infant female's genitalia so that she will not enjoy sex, I think it's wrong that the man is allowed to be physically abusive towards their "wife" if she is "disobedient", and I think that it's wrong that in a medical emergency the man has the option to refuse the woman's sheet (or whatever the hell it is called) from being lifted in order for paramedics to give the woman oxygen. (a bit off topic but since this is the topic of equality I guess I thought it would be appropriate).

Absolutely right. But at the same time, I understand why the Islamic world wants nothing to do with the West, particularly in regards to the West's present day understanding of gender in society.


I think that women who pop babies out, and right away stick them in the hands of some one else, instead of playing a large role in taking care of the baby themselves need to reorganize their responsibilities.. A mother (and fathers) involvement is a MUST have in a child's development, especially in their early years. Many people on this thread are saying that a mother should not have a career and should only stay at home and take care of the kids.

That sounds about right, ideally. I'm not for making it illegal for a woman to have a career. But a women who has given her community five upstanding citizens has done more for her culture and done more to perpetuate her people's transcendent nature than any career woman.


That is a nice thought, but the average male doesn't make the amount of money in order to provide for an entire family solely,

This problem is also in part due to feminism. Extra bodies in the labor market depress wages. And since women have gotten the right to vote, they have typically supported liberal policies that are permissive towards immigration which tend to drive down wages even further.


with the average US family making a combined salary of 50 grand, (which means only 25 grand with out the woman) it is hardly possible for a man to solely make ends meet when there is more then one child, and the need to pay for rent, food, utilities, gas, insurance, and other necessities that he and his entire family need. So what happens then?

Things didn't get this way on their own.


A woman is a human being,

The anti-racists and the feminist side always say things like this.

"A black person is a human being. They are the same as whites."

"A woman is a human being. They should be allowed to do the same things as men."

"A criminal is a human being. They should be given a second chance."

I mean, of course a woman is human being. I think all of us on each side of the argument had already deduced that before the discussion began. It doesn't tell me anything about a man or a woman's place, though.


if she wishes to have a career she should be able to, however priorities need to properly be readjusted once a child comes along. I think that it is fine for both man and woman to have careers as long as the child is not being practically neglected

It's always optimal for the child to have a stay-at-home mother.


and constantly thrown into day cares. I'm no feminist, in fact I don't know why there are still active feminist groups in the US since women now have equal rights in the US.

I'm not trying to pick on you. But a lot of women who say they aren't feminist sound very feminist. I think that's how left/feminized our culture is. People who think they are on the right really are not.

[Aces High]

I think feminism is one of the by products of an unhealthy society,and in this stagnent rockpool of a multi cultural pc society we live in there are worse life forms floating around than feminists.
I compare it to a rockpool because in it float life forms that wouldnt be able to survive in the open sea of a healthy society.

[Psychonaut]

This is a terrible statement.

TA's misogyny crew grows by the day. :tsk:

[The Journeyman]

The gender roles are very confused nowadays. A lot of girls AND guys don't seem to know what they want from each other anymore. Whether that has something to do with our industrialized society and/or social change, I'm not sure.

This girl makes some good points:
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[Boudica]

Debaser-

Lol. All i'm going to do is click the thank you button on your post because it was very entertaining, I am quite amused :rolleyes:. In return I'm going to advise you to watch Alien Vs Predator, there is a scene that I think will really get your rocks off :D It's when you see the "momma" alien tied up in a large room and her only purpose is to lay her infinite amount of alien eggs. http://suvudu.com/files/2010/10/Alien-Queen.jpg
She looks to be about your type. Who knows if you're lucky she may lay your seed, since i'm assuming you have no baby maker your self. With the views of women you have I can't imagine what kind of HUMAN woman would want to have your seed growing in their stomach.

[antonio]

TA's misogyny crew grows by the day. :tsk:

Maybe it would take a little of misoginy to fight against rampant feminazism, so evident at countries like Spain and sectors like public service.

An yes, Feminazism (not good-will Feminism) is maybe the biggest of the signs of a decrepit occidental society.

[Debaser11]

Debaser-

Lol. All i'm going to do is click the thank you button on your post because it was very entertaining, I am quite amused :rolleyes:. In return I'm going to advise you to watch Alien Vs Predator, there is a scene that I think will really get your rocks off :D It's when you see the "momma" alien tied up in a large room and her only purpose is to lay her infinite amount of alien eggs. http://suvudu.com/files/2010/10/Alien-Queen.jpg
She looks to be about your type. Who knows if you're lucky she may lay your seed, since i'm assuming you have no baby maker your self. With the views of women you have I can't imagine what kind of HUMAN woman would want to have your seed growing in their stomach.

I gave you too much credit.

I'm not demeaning women. You are.

You're the one demeaning motherhood by implying that if that's all women do (give birth and raise children as opposed to being a career woman) that their life is somehow meaningless when in fact it's arguably the most important job in the world. You're now the one comparing the task of a human mother to that of an alien spawning thoughtlessly. Sounds like the state brainwashing has done a number on you.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[antonio]

I strongly recognize it was necesary to take away some Macho character from Men, but modern Societies (drived by Leftist educated crap) are clearly not trashing out that excess but instead transfering it to women by means of a repulsive social engineering process for God knows why. :mad:

[Wyn]

I strongly recognize it was necesary to take away some Macho character from Men

Pft. Looks like they got to you, mate. ;)

[Heimmacht]

Too many hormones in here! *awaaaay!!*
Men and women are different, but have equal worth (especially in relationships, or it won't work)
Also we have different tasks within the family, either we embrace it or destroy the future for our children.

PS;(and I know what I'm talking about since I had a 'mother' who blamed her kids each day that she didn't have the opportunity to get drunk and sing in bands till 5 in the morning anymore.(she still got drunk though)

[antonio]

Pft. Looks like they got to you, mate. ;)

It's obvious I'm Spanish and work into public service. So Ive first-hand knowledge that was going on, in fact I would say I'm quite a victim of it if not were for it would sound not resentful but too much Feminine. :D

[antonio]

Too many hormones in here! *awaaaay!!*

Take it as an inofensive escape valve.:D

[Boudica]

I gave you too much credit.

I'm not demeaning women. You are.

You're the one demeaning motherhood by implying that if that's all women do (give birth and raise children as opposed to being a career woman) that their life is somehow meaningless when in fact it's arguably the most important job in the world. You're now the one comparing the task of a human mother to that of an alien spawning thoughtlessly. Sounds like the state brainwashing has done a number on you.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I never once said that, this is the second time that you have some how warped what I have said into a meaning that suits your little argument.. Raising children is an important job, it takes a strong woman to correctly raise children in the type of society we live in today, raising a child is a job in it's self. In your previous statements you claimed that a main reason muslims/islamics "don't want anything to do with the west" is because of women equality, you then practically blamed the problems in the work force/economy AND immigration on women, and you made the ignorant generalization that all women are liberals, which is why they shouldn't vote or some bull shit.. Are women the new jews or something? :D As to what I said about the alien stuff, you have made it clear that the only purpose women should serve is to breed, and raise children, thats it. You have made it clear that you do not think that women should have equality in society, or even have voting rights. This is why I made the alien comparison, because you are practically saying that women are just breeding tools and nothing more. I should be ashamed of my self? Tsk, tsk.. I sure should. Naughty me, I stepped out of the kitchen and stood up for my self, because in the future while I will be a mother who cares for my children, I will also be a mother who brings home an income to help support my family.

edit: O'h and by the way, you act like men want to be the only one bringing in income in a marriage? Thats a joke. Today it's almost frowned upon for a woman to be a "stay at home mom", they are mocked, and called leeches (by men too, not just your beloved fem bots). A lot of men won't even enter a relationship with a woman that does not have a career, because he does not want to have to support her. Where are these magical wealthy men that will whisk women away to their palaces and treat them as baby making queens? You may have misunderstood my point(s), either that or I wasn't clear enough. I THINK THAT A WOMAN WHO RAISES CHILDREN IS A STRONG WOMAN, IT IS A JOB IN IT'S SELF, I DON'T THINK THAT A WOMAN HAS TO HAVE A CAREER, I THINK THAT FAMILY SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST, AND IF SHE IS NOT ABLE TO WORK AND SPEND THE PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME RAISING HER CHILDREN THEN SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE A CAREER.

[Debaser11]

I never once said that,

I highlighted in your post what I was responding to.


this is the second time that you have some how warped what I have said into a meaning that suits your little argument.. Raising children is an important job, it takes a strong woman to correctly raise children in the type of society we live in today, raising a child is a job in it's self. In your previous statements you claimed that a main reason muslims/islamics "don't want anything to do with the west" is because of women equality,

The way most Western women behave today should frighten any sane civilization that has an interest in perpetuating itself.


you then practically blamed the problems in the work force/economy on women,

I placed some of the blame on feminism, which is a political movement, not all women. You're too defensive to even think straight. You also know what I'm saying about women flooding the job market and driving down wages is true. Your only response is to get upset at me for pointing out this obvious truth.


and you made the ignorant generalization that all women are liberals,

Where did I say that all women are liberals? I explained that as a group, they largely support liberal platforms.

You're just like those anti-racists who get mad at honest people who make a point about race.

"Black men are more likely to rape."

"What an ignorant statement! Not all black men rape!!"

You project the same type of obnoxious defensiveness.


which is why they shouldn't vote or some bull shit..

The truth hurts. Tell me that things haven't gotten worse since women have been given the right to vote.


To what I said about the alien stuff, you have made it clear that the only purpose women should serve is to breed, and raise children, thats it.

No, I haven't. I said that the greatest gift a woman can give to your community is children who are raised properly. I think that's enough. That doesn't mean they can't be lawyers or business women. But I think the mother is far superior.

You're the one who keeps demeaning motherhood with vernacular like "the only purpose" and "to breed" and "that's it" as if there is nothing important and sacred about motherhood. If you agree with me that motherhood is important and indeed the most important role in terms of nurturing a culture, why do you insist that speaking about the role of a mother with such a patronizing tone?


You have made it clear that you do not think that women should have equality in society,

No, I don't. Nor do I think men should receive child custody with 90% favorablility in divorce court rulings like women do nor should they collect palimony/alimony from a woman the way women regularly do from men. It goes both ways. But a feminist like you can't possibly see that.


or even have voting rights.

Well, women do have a terrible voting record in terms of supporting policies that favor preserving cultural norms. You can stamp your feet about it all you want. I'm just pointing out the harsh truth of the matter.


is why I made the alien comparison,

And effectively demeaned the very essence of what it is to be a woman by making such a comparison. That's still lost on you, it seems.


because you are practically saying that women are just breeding tools and nothing more.

You keep saying that, not me. I think a mother is much more than a "breeding tool." The role of mothers has a cosmic significance. They provide the biological and spiritual nurturement for a society. How you equate this role with a "breeding tool" is beyond me. I guess motherhood isn't sacred to you like it is to me.


I should be ashamed of my self? Tsk, tsk.. I sure should. Perhaps your mother that raised you would be ashamed to see that her son thinks nothing more of her then a breeding tool.

Where did I say that that was how I thought of my mother? My mother was a stay at home house wife who worked night and day to raise four children. It is according to your logic, not mine, that she'd be just some "breeding tool." That she was just sitting at home and spawning out of control like that hideous alien in the picture you posted. I, on the other hand, because I value human motherhood and separate it from a simple function observed in the animal kingdom, am able to appreciate the eternal value of her toil and sacrifice. I defend her from the likes of you. You may be a female like my mother. But the way you talk, you two are hardly on the same team. Your words totally dishonor the efforts of traditional women.

[Fortis in Arduis]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/howard-brown-g.jpg

Hi. :wave

[Boudica]

I highlighted in your post what I was responding to.



The way most Western women behave today should frighten any sane civilization that has an interest in perpetuating itself.



I put some of the blame on feminism, which is a political movement, not all women. You're too defensive to even think straight. You also have know what I'm saying about women flooding the job market and driving down wages is true. Your only response is to get upset at me.



Where did I say that all women are liberals? I explained that as a group, they largely support liberal platforms.

You're just like those anti-racists who get mad at honest people who make a point about race.

"Black men are more likely to rape."

"What an ignorant statement! Not all black men rape!!"

You project the same type of obnoxious defensiveness.



The truth hurts. Tell me that things haven't gotten worse sense women have gotten the right to vote.



No, I haven't. I said that the greatest gift a woman can give to your community is children. I think that's enough. That doesn't mean they can't be lawyers or business women. But I think the mother is far superior.

You're the one who keeps demeaning motherhood with vernacular like "the only purpose" and "to breed" and "that's it" as if there is nothing important and sacred about motherhood. If you agree with me that motherhood is important and indeed the most important role in terms of nurturing a culture, why do you insist that speaking about the role of a mother with such a patronizing tone?



No, I don't. Nor do I think men should receive child custody with 90% favorablility in divorce court rulings nor should they collect palimony/alimony from a woman the way women regularly do from men. It goes both ways. But a feminist like you can't possibly see that.



Well, women do have a terrible voting record in terms of supporting policies that favor preserving cultural norms. You can stamp your feet about it all you want. I'm just pointing out the harsh truth of the matter.



And effectively demeaned the very essence of what it is to be a woman by making such a comparison. That's still lost on you, it seems.



You keep saying that, not me. I think a mother is much more than a "breeding tool." The role of mothers has a cosmic significance. They provide the biological and spiritual nurturement for a society. How you equate this role with a "breeding tool" is beyond me. I guess motherhood isn't sacred to you like it is to me.



Where did I say that that was how I thought of my mother? My mother was a stay at home house wife who worked night and day to raise four children. It is according to your logic, not mine, that she'd be just some "breeding tool." That she was just sitting at home and spawning out of control like that hideous alien in the picture you posted. I, on the other hand, because I value human motherhood and separate it from a simple function observed in the animal kingdom, am able to appreciate the eternal value of her toil and sacrifice. I defend her from the likes of you. You may be a female like my mother. But the way you talk, you two are hardly on the same team. Your words totally dishonor the efforts of traditional women.

I'm done with this "argument", I barely read anything that you said. If the definition of a feminist is a woman that believes there is more to a woman then just breeding, and that she can also do other things with her life, then I guess I'm a feminist. Thank you SO very much for clarifying that for me, I was not aware of that until now. Since I am a feminist, you sir are an internet feminist topic troll.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rqH4fUbko2U/TS3fflBSfGI/AAAAAAAASvw/DGYxNzhwMkM/s1600/troll.jpg
I wish you the best of luck.

[Debaser11]

I barely read anything that you said.

lol

Maybe that's the problem with you. You don't "listen" to other people.


If the definition of a feminist is a woman that believes there is more to a woman then just breeding,

You keep equating a mother with a "breeder."

Newsflash: A woman who raises children in the noble tradition of Western mothers is not a "breeder"!

I repeat: You should be ashamed of yourself.


and that she can also do other things with her life,

She can. But most of it seems pretty frivolous. I think most careers in the modern age are pretty frivolous.


[then I guess I'm a feminist.

You most certainly are.


[Thank you SO very much for clarifying that for me, I was not aware of that until now. Since I am a feminist, you sir are an internet feminist topic troll.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rqH4fUbko2U/TS3fflBSfGI/AAAAAAAASvw/DGYxNzhwMkM/s1600/troll.jpg
I wish you the best of luck.


Uh, thanks. lol

[Boudica]

http://flowers-show.com/images/2009/09/uae-roses-heart.jpg

[Psychonaut]

This is almost as funny as the creepy-guys-fantasize-about-controlling-their-daughters thread. Once again, single dudes just happen to be the experts on issues surrounding women, marriage and child rearing! :popcorn:

[GeistFaust]

TA's misogyny crew grows by the day. :tsk:

There was nothing mysogynist about my post I was just being a realist. Women that are left unchecked are just as bad as men with no regulations. Women and Men are not equal because nature does not create entities to be equal to each other but inequal. On the other hand Women and Men deserve equal dignity and the only way to preserve this dignity is preserve and maintain the traditional roles that women and men have held in society. Once you try reversing the role that woman ought to play in society than you are playing a dangerous game that could end up us having us confused as to who should do what. Women deserve freedom but the freedom that women need is a different freedom per se than the freedom a man needs to experience. A woman's freedom exist only in so far as she is not a member of society although there can be exceptions. A man's freedom exist in so far as he is able to progress as a social being and work his way up the ladder in society.

[Psychonaut]

There was nothing mysogynist about my post I was just being a realist.

I don't think I've ever met a woman who would treat the notion that she should not be free and should not be allowed to use birth control as anything other than misogyny.

[GeistFaust]

I don't think I've ever met a woman who would treat the notion that she should not be free and should not be allowed to use birth control as anything other than misogyny.

That is their perspective that is advocated by leftist dogma. Leftist Dogma has a way of twisting alot of things upside down. It should be fairly apparent women and men should and ought to have different roles in society because women and men are completely different in every single regard. Women have a different way of perceiving the world, a different instinct, and a different way with spirituallly connecting with the world than men.

[Psychonaut]

That is their perspective that is advocated by leftist dogma. Leftist Dogma has a way of twisting alot of things upside down. It should be fairly apparent women and men should and ought to have different roles in society because women and men are completely different in every single regard. Women have a different way of perceiving the world, a different instinct, and a different way with spirituallly connecting with the world than men.

Of course! Why didn't I realize it before! It's only leftist propaganda that has led the Western woman to look in horror upon the enslaved women of the Middle East. How could I have been so blind?

Seriously though, for the advocating of female slavery I hereby designate you as an official: Creepy Guy™

[Curtis24]

Feminism is a historical phenonmenon related to a glut of prosperity. When a society becomes rich, it can afford to let its women enter the workforce. Ironically, feminism then creates conditions in which men become demotivated to work, because having a job is no longer enough to ensure a woman's sexual loyalty, and material conditions eventually deteriorate. As the society then loses money, women lose their rights... its cyclical.

The only difference between this cycle and past ones is that in the past, only the upper classes were effected. But this one will play itself out, just as past cycles did.

[GeistFaust]

Of course! Why didn't I realize it before! It's only leftist propaganda that has led the Western woman to look in horror upon the enslaved women of the Middle East. How could I have been so blind?

Seriously though, for the advocating of female slavery I hereby designate you as an official: Creepy Guy™


Yes well good sir you are blowing my post out of proportion and making it seem that I am advocating for abuse of woman in the Middle East. I think you either misinterpreted that I was trying to point out the differences between men and women or you wanted to twist what I was trying to get at to demonize me. This is a tactic employed in a conversation by leftist to avoid the truth and than to try to emphasize a radical point that just blows the opponents point out of proportion. Women's brains even operate differently than men. I am tired of a gender neutral society and it is time that we return to the tradition and classical role of women in Western society.

[bulgarian88]

I don't mind feminism as long as they don't hate on males. Most of them sort of do hate on males. I think that we need to shake off the old-world mentality, e.g. "Cooking and looking after the children is for women, working/the army is for men!". Feminism is a sexist word, as it implies female, it should be 'Humanism'. I think this person has the right questions:

"If women would like it, let's switch our roles - men will stay at home cooking and looking after the kids and women will bring the money home, go on war, etc.
That's too extreme, but if a woman is better at her career than her husband, why should she stay at home? If a man is better at cooking and cleaning the house than his wife why should he not do it, just because he's male? And if they go on a date why should he hold the elevator door, open the door for her and pay the bill in the restaurant? Why should a male offer his place in public transport to a female? Is he inferior to her or her slave? And why should a female look after children and cook if she hates it, is she a slave?"

I think everyone should do what they like and we shouldn't have specified roles, e.g. if the husband is better in cooking and likes it, he should do it and if the wife is better at profession, or would like going to the army she should do it.

[Psychonaut]

Yes well good sir you are blowing my post out of proportion and making it seem that I am advocating for abuse of woman in the Middle East.

I'm sorry, perhaps you meant something else by saying that they oughtn't be free.


Women's brains even operate differently than men. I am tired of a gender neutral society and it is time that we return to the tradition and classical role of women in Western society.

And what, pray tell does sexual dimorphism or your tiredness have to do with a woman's right to buy birth control?

[GeistFaust]

I don't mind feminism as long as they don't hate on males. However, I think that we need to shake off the old-world mentality, e.g. "Cooking and looking after the children is for women, working/the army is for men!". I think this person has the right questions:

"If women would like it, let's switch our roles - men will stay at home cooking and looking after the kids and women will bring the money home, go on war, etc.
That's too extreme, but if a woman is better at her career than her husband, why should she stay at home? If a man is better at cooking and cleaning the house than his wife why should he not do it, just because he's male? And if a they go on a date why should he hold the elevator door, open the door for her and pay the bill in the restaurant? Why should a male offer his place in public transport to a female? Is he inferior to her or her slave? And why should a female look after children and cook if she hates it, is she a slave?"

I think everyone should do what they like and we shouldn't have specified roles, e.g. if the one part of a family is better in cooking and likes it, he/she should do it.


If a woman hates to rear children and care for them in the house there is something wrong with her. There is also something wrong with her if she does not want to be subordinate to her husband. Unfortunately the environment has been altered so much by birth control and contraceptives getting into the water system that we are seeing the gene pool become corrupted by the increase of homosexuals and sexually confused people. They have all become to blinded by their desire to be liberated and have the freedom to choose they have enslaved humanity to their chaotic sensibility and feelings. Its time that the real men stand up get their lassos out and control this situation before it sends all to hell in a handbasket.

[bulgarian88]

"If a woman hates to rear children and care for them in the house there is something wrong with her. "
What if she doesn't like children at all? Would you stop loving her because of that?
P.S. I edited my post from 06:29 PM

[Curtis24]

Of course! Why didn't I realize it before! It's only leftist propaganda that has led the Western woman to look in horror upon the enslaved women of the Middle East. How could I have been so blind?

Seriously though, for the advocating of female slavery I hereby designate you as an official: Creepy Guy™

I don't want female slavery, but at the same time, I don't think a woman should be allowed to sue her ex-husband for half his property! Modern feminism goes beyond simply allowing women freedom.

[GeistFaust]

I'm sorry, perhaps you meant something else by saying that they oughtn't be free.

They ought not be free in the way man is free they should though be able to connect with men's ways of freedom but not be able to experience a man's way of being free although there might be exceptions.

And what, pray tell does sexual dimorphism or your tiredness have to do with a woman's right to buy birth control?

A woman should not buy birth control because it goes against what the natural order has predisposed her to do that is to produce children for the next generation and to care for them. Once she goes on birth control she has lost her own identity and although she thinks she may have freed herself from the burden of children she has only enslaved herself to her own egotistical selfishness. I don't think a real man would find that attractive most men today though are to feminized to realize that women who do not want to reproduce and care for children are really just playing a dangerous subconscious game with them that could get them caught in a whole load of a mess.

[bulgarian88]

I wouldn't mind marrying a woman that has a higher salary than me! But most men will. I guess that is what makes most females (esp. feminists) frustrated. It 'fuels' their hatred for men, which is stupid because there are guys like me who wouldn't mind that.

[GeistFaust]

"If a woman hates to rear children and care for them in the house there is something wrong with her. "
What if she doesn't like children at all? Would you stop loving her because of that?
P.S. I edited my post from 06:29 PM

I do not know of many women out there that I have met who do not like children. Perhaps that does not apply to your experience with woman but I think perhaps this society has bred women to be a bunch of negative influences. I do not think I can name many noble women in the course of history because noblest woman is one who is a non historical factor.

[GeistFaust]

I wouldn't mind marrying a woman that has a higher salary than me! But most men will. I guess that is what makes most females (esp. feminists) frustrated.

I would never marry a business minded woman at all much less one who is making more than me. It is not because I am jealous but simply that this woman does not know her place in society and is trying to pretend to be someone she ought not to be. :thumb001:

[bulgarian88]

Women say they like children, but some of them do it because society wants them to like them. Society induces them into liking children. I've spoken to many females on the Internet and they admit not liking children/preferring pets, but they say they wouldn't admit it in real life because they are afraid they will be bashed for that by society.

[GeistFaust]

Women say they like children, but some of them do it because society wants them to like them. Society induces them into liking children. I've spoken to many females on the Internet and they admit not liking children/preferring pets, but they say they wouldn't admit it in real life because they are afraid they will be bashed for that by society.

Although this might be possible in some cases I believe it is the exception rather than the norm. Society does not force women to do anything society is just mean to keep women in check and to regulate their actions and movements within society. Society gives women order and structure and once you take the man who is supporting away from the woman she would immediately perish and sink. Women are so dependent on society and its laws and this is the way nature has made it to be so that man can rule and judge women appropriately.

[bulgarian88]

GeistFaust, so I suppose you think males should like the prospect of going to war then? Die for people you don't know, instead of being with your wife and kids and protecting only them?

[Wyn]

Can't wait for Brynhild to see Geist's posts. The server's bandwidth's going to take a beating.

[Psychonaut]

I don't think a woman should be allowed to sue her ex-husband for half his property! Modern feminism goes beyond simply allowing women freedom.

I've not claimed that everything connected to contemporary feminism is good. Indeed, much of it is not so great. However, I've never come close to considering women's emancipation or suffrage to seriously be ills.


A woman should not buy birth control because it goes against what the natural order has predisposed her to do that is to produce children for the next generation and to care for them.

Moore's naturalistic fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy) might be of interest to you. The naturality of a state of affairs is not, in itself, a valid justification for its continuance.


Once she goes on birth control she has lost her own identity and although she thinks she may have freed herself from the burden of children she has only enslaved herself to her own egotistical selfishness.

So, the fact that birth control allows a woman to choose to get pregnant only when she is in a beneficial set of circumstances to do so makes her selfish and egotistical? If anything, I'd say that a woman who waits until she and her husband can afford to have children are less selfish than those who do not use birth control, and hoist the financial responsibilities of their children onto the state.

[GeistFaust]

GeistFaust, so I suppose you think males should like the prospect of going to war then? Die for people you don't know, instead of being with your wife and kids and protecting only them?

I would only go to war if I felt like the cause was worth fighting for. If going to war meant preserving and protecting the community and the traditions from outside foreigners who would like to destroy every semblance of social order I would blissfully go off to preserve the Volk. My duty of protecting my wife and kids would also mean that I would have to preserve the traditions and the community within which they existed. Men should give women a strong and positive identity and if not for them women would be lost and wandering in a meaningless void.

[Boudica]

http://christophercacciatore.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/misogyny.jpg

[GeistFaust]

I've not claimed that everything connected to contemporary feminism is good. Indeed, much of it is not so great. However, I've never come close to considering women's emancipation or suffrage to seriously be ills.



Moore's naturalistic fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy) might be of interest to you. The naturality of a state of affairs is not, in itself, a valid justification for its continuance.


This might be possible but we should not base whether a state of affairs is valid or not based on a common perspective. I think tradition should be preserved because if you maintain morality within the framework of that tradition its continuance can never be fallacious or not valid.

So, the fact that birth control allows a woman to choose to get pregnant only when she is in a beneficial set of circumstances to do so makes her selfish and egotistical? If anything, I'd say that a woman who waits until she and her husband can afford to have children are less selfish than those who do not use birth control, and hoist the financial responsibilities of their children onto the state.

Yes I never said have 10 or 15 babies when the a family can not financially support it. Rather their should be some regulations unfortunately those regulations on reproduction have been over utilized to the point where we have people who put no regulations on regulating the generation of a new generation. Its because you have couples who would prefer to spend their time going on vacations to Greece, buying luxury cars, and buying a nice house instead of sacrificing part of their desires and wants towards producing a good group of individuals for the generations to come.

[Boudica]

Society gives women order and structure and once you take the man who is supporting away from the woman she would immediately perish and sink.

Wow, lol. Just wow.

[bulgarian88]

My duty of protecting my wife and kids would also mean that I would have to preserve the traditions and the community within which they existed.
What if you're wife is a foreigner and her fellow-countrymen want to crush your country? And what if she hates your community and wants it to become like her home country? :) Which side would you take?

[GeistFaust]

http://christophercacciatore.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/misogyny.jpg

We know woman can be useful heck they can be more useful than most men. They can do better than men at certain things but this does not justify them taking on social roles. Instead they should devote their talents to preserving the family unit and the house. This is more or less a propaganda poster that was used by early feminist and unfortunately we have been so indoctrinated by feminism that we have lost all semblance of order. This means we have lost the order that the natural has given us and replaced it with an unnatural order that we have artificially constructed.

[alexandra]

so?

[Peasant]

We know woman can be useful heck they can be more useful than most men. They can do better than men at certain things but this does not justify them taking on social roles. Instead they should devote their talents to preserving the family unit and the house. This is more or less a propaganda poster that was used by early feminist and unfortunately we have been so indoctrinated by feminism that we have lost all semblance of order. This means we have lost the order that the natural has given us and replaced it with an unnatural order that we have artificially constructed.

:laugh:

[GeistFaust]

What if you're wife is a foreigner and her fellow-countrymen want to crush your country? And what if she hates your community and wants it to become like her home country? :) Which side would you take?

I would either make her convert or let her be an example for those who want desert such a noble cause as preserving the community. My people should be her people and the people I associate myself with will be the people she will associate herself with. So hypothetically this might be a nice question but actually I would never put myself in such a situation. I would never betray my Nation's cause for the whims and sensibility of a woman.

[GeistFaust]

Wow, lol. Just wow.

Unfortunately most modern feminist would not understand where I am coming from first because they do not understand what it means to socially construct something unless its a tea party or some sort of country club event. It would be good to note that woman just don't understand how much they need men to support them, lay down the rules, and construct structures and boundaries so as to keep them safe and preserve them. Men construct boundaries for women because they truly care for them even if they don't understand why it is necessary.

[bulgarian88]

@GeistFaust
"I would either make her convert"
But what if she tries to convert you instead? :p

P.S. Don't get me wrong I hate most feminists as much as you do, it's just that I don't wont to be forced to give my seat to a woman or pay the whole bill, and I like cooking! We are equal for God's sake! I would give my seat only to pregnant women, children and old people! If she's a healthy young female I wouldn't, because she wouldn't do the same if we had our roles reversed! If I was standing and she was on the seat in the bus, she wouldn't give her place to me, would she?

[GeistFaust]

"I would either make her convert"
But what if she tries to convert you instead? :p

Than I will tell her no and if she tries to insist anymore its off to the stake to burned. I would probably not go that far but I would put her on house arrest for plotting against the good affair of the state. :thumb001:

[Peasant]

Than I will tell her no and if she tries to insist anymore its off to the stake to burned. I would probably not go that far but I would put her on house arrest for plotting against the good affair of the state. :thumb001:

Jesus christ, future wife murderer here.

[GeistFaust]

@GeistFaust
"I would either make her convert"
But what if she tries to convert you instead? :p

P.S. Don't get me wrong I hate most feminist as much as you do, it's just that I don't wont to be forced to give my seat to a woman or pay the whole bill, and I like cooking! We are equal for God's sake!

We are not as equal as you would like to think. And it is impossible to even think up the reasons for why we are not equal. The inequality between men and woman is predispoed by nature and biological conditions. Unfortunately the modern age has ignored this natural conditions and have tried to reverse the unity of nature and corrupt man's external nature and inverting him into a sissified pussy. This is the truth and if you want to ignore it than you might want to have a look around you as you see all of these men who seem to lack manliness.

[GeistFaust]

Jesus christ, future wife murderer here.

I was not being that serious I was merely playing the game that Bulgarian wanted me to play.

[bulgarian88]

I think women shouldn't be expected to like children and cooking and men shouldn't be expected to pay the full bill or give their place to females, except they are elderly or physically challenged in some way. I like reciprocity.

P.S. "that Bulgarian " Now, don't be rude! I know that Bulgarians are known abroad as wife-beaters, but I'm not like that!

[Peasant]

Are women on average smarter than men? I can't for the life of me remember where I heard that.

[bulgarian88]

No gender is smarter than the other. Case closed.

[GeistFaust]

I think women shouldn't be expected to like children and cooking and men shouldn't be expected to pay the full bill or give their place to females, except they are elderly or physically challenged in some way. I like reciprocity.

I mean if a guy likes to cook that is fine but a man who stays home with his children while his wife goes to work is only creating a dysfunctional family unit. Unfortunately the leftist pc indoctrinated society of today would tell you that reversing roles is good for society because it makes it more dynamic and diverse when it actually corrupts it and makes it less viable. I am just saying role reversing tradition is playing a dangerous game with humanity as a whole.

[GeistFaust]

Are women on average smarter than men? I can't for the life of me remember where I heard that.

Woman might be smarter than men in general but I think woman use a different kind of intelligence than man. Its more of an emotional intelligence which does not take analytics and thinking seriously. Now men are needed to give an analytical and thought invoked side to a woman's emotionally inclined intelligence so as to check it and keep it in order.

[bulgarian88]

Role reversal is not that bad. It can be quite good, actually. However, male-bashing, which is what most feminists do is disgusting and should be frowned upon, the way female-bashing is (or should be).

[Boudica]

"Any college teacher (at least in the social sciences and life sciences) who has ever paid attention to their own stats know that women do better than men in college classes.
There are all kinds of post hoc explanations given for this like "Girls get better grades because professors are men, nod nod wink wink" and so on. What a load of crap. Women are smarter than men on average, among the smartest people there is no emperical evidence that women are underrepresented, and among the dumbest people in the world .... well, those are mostly guys.
The reasons are obvious and straight forward. The hormones that give some men an evolutionary advantage over some other men also make you stoopid. Any questions? Ask a girl, she'll explain it to you.
And now, finally (or shall I say, "once again") there's proof:

Female students are ahead of men in almost every measure of UK university achievement, according to a report from higher education researchers.
A Higher Education Policy Institute report shows that women are more likely to get places in the top universities and go on to get better grades.
Women also outnumber men in high status subjects, such as law and medicine."

Yes if it weren't for the big strong man women would just fall! We would all just die! We can't think for ourselves, all we can do is "make country clubs"..? How sad.. It seems like you people need to go back to the primitive days as hunters and gatherers, either that or convert to fucking islam.

[Wyn]

This is actually quite an entertaining debate, all jokes aside.

I agree with a lot of what Debaser says, overall. And before Psy hits me with summa dis:


This is almost as funny as the creepy-guys-fantasize-about-controlling-their-daughters thread. Once again, single dudes just happen to be the experts on issues surrounding women, marriage and child rearing! :popcorn:

I've been with Mrs. Wyn for going on half a decade.

Anyway, I think some of you are treating Geist like some kind of tyrannical enslaver of the female sex. He's pretty lax, in a way. In some places, they steal their wives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_kidnapping). Between 1302 and 1913, there are dozens of recorded instances of men in England selling their wives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_selling_%28English_custom%29). Go easy on the guy. Though I admit that this (joke, I'm assuming!) was in very poor taste...


Than I will tell her no and if she tries to insist anymore its off to the stake to burned. I would probably not go that far but I would put her on house arrest for plotting against the good affair of the state. :thumb001:

:shrug:

[Ushtari]

Yes, feminists are dangerous.

[bulgarian88]

@brsgirl10, since when doing better at college means you are smarter/more intelligent?! Being good at school/university doesn't necessary mean that you're gonna be good in practice! Being a geeky nerd knowing all the theory has little to do with being good practically. Just shows you that females don't care if they are nerdy. But it is like that because male nerds and geeks are regarded in a negative light by society, unlike female nerds/geeks. When a female is nerdy, it is considered cooler. That's why male nerds usually aren't popular, while female nerds date joks/cool guys. I think bookish female nerds are just as pathetic as male ones.

P.S. Einstein did poorly at school.

[Karl der Große]

Yes, feminists are dangerous.

Sounds like it comes from a pussified boy who can't handle women and think they are too intimidating for his weak personality. :laugh:

[GeistFaust]

"Any college teacher (at least in the social sciences and life sciences) who has ever paid attention to their own stats know that women do better than men in college classes.
There are all kinds of post hoc explanations given for this like "Girls get better grades because professors are men, nod nod wink wink" and so on. What a load of crap. Women are smarter than men on average, among the smartest people there is no emperical evidence that women are underrepresented, and among the dumbest people in the world .... well, those are mostly guys.
The reasons are obvious and straight forward. The hormones that give some men an evolutionary advantage over some other men also make you stoopid. Any questions? Ask a girl, she'll explain it to you.
And now, finally (or shall I say, "once again") there's proof:

Female students are ahead of men in almost every measure of UK university achievement, according to a report from higher education researchers.
A Higher Education Policy Institute report shows that women are more likely to get places in the top universities and go on to get better grades.
Women also outnumber men in high status subjects, such as law and medicine."

Yes if it weren't for the big strong man women would just fall! We would all just die! We can't think for ourselves, all we can do is "make country clubs"..? How sad.. It seems like you people need to go back to the primitive days as hunters and gatherers, either that or convert to fucking islam.


Oh please this is just pc nonsense. The whole dumb male presentation is nothing more than to weaken the white male and make him powerless to the feminist. The Homer Simpsons and Peter Griffins of the world do need to wake up or else they would be fit to be thrown into a concentration camp for being so out of shape. The whole hormones make women smarter than men is completely bs. Estrogen makes you more inclined to perceive things based on emotions rather than analyzing a situation before jumping to a one sided conclusion. Testosterone is just a more well developed hormone that is found in the male. Estrogen is an undeveloped hormone that is bound to make the woman more instinctive, spiritual, and emotional that the men. Also the reason why so many girls are doing better than boys in schools is because women get selectively chosen over men for scholarships. Women by nature do not have as much variance in intelligence between themselves as men do empirically speaking. Men are more likely to have specimens that are much dumber than the even the dumbest women but they are also bound to produce more geniuses than woman. I would even wager that the female race has produced few if any geniuses in human history. The majority of great thinkers, scientist, and inventors were men after all.

[GeistFaust]

Sounds like it comes from a pussified boy who can't handle women and think they are too intimidating for his weak personality. :laugh:

Now women are not that intimidating their are a few ways to put them in place. Its called acting like a man. A few slaps accross the face should show them who is in charge.

[Peasant]

. Also the reason why so many girls are doing better than boys in schools is because women get selectively chosen over men for scholarships.

I thought scholarships are gained by academic excellence?;)

[Ushtari]

Sounds like it comes from a pussified boy who can't handle women and think they are too intimidating for his weak personality. :laugh:
I wrote about these creatures here:

1. Women are not programmed to care about race when they want to procreate, that due to biological mechanisms of genetic diversity, ie to prevent inbreeding and so on.

2. Feminists are not worth talking to since they are extremely limited by their female ovaries and has only the ability to talk about personal things about either themselves or the counterpart and do a psychoanalysis of him instead of touching the subject matter. This is linked to the female instinct to find out how a guy works in depth and if he is a potential partner. Women is not interested in issues since they do not have the intellectual capacity, ie they lack the broad remit which we men historically have had and therefore did not need to have the developed brain. Seeing things as a whole, talk about an entire ethnic group or to look at things with logic is also foreign for women who instead believe that eventual personal shortcomings on the counterpart in the discussion is more relevant to highlight.

[Karl der Große]

I wrote about these creatures here:

I went into a state of ecstasy reading this. Are you posting from some sanatorium or prison?

It looks live in some parallel reality of those that I live daily.

[Boudica]

@brsgirl10, since when doing better at college means you are smarter/more intelligent?! Being good at school/university doesn't necessary mean that you're gonna be good in practice! Being a geeky nerd knowing all the theory has little to do with being good practically. Just shows you that females don't care if they are nerdy. But it is like that because male nerds and geeks are regarded in a negative light by society, unlike female nerds/geeks. When a female is nerdy, it is considered cooler. I think bookish female nerds are just as pathetic as male ones.

P.S. Einstein did poorly at school.

I was only quoting something from a scientific research blog. I think that both sex's are equal, not one is smarter then the other. I quoted this because it was quite insulting when geist said women would fall if it weren't for men, and all they can do is "make country clubs" or some bull shit. I think neither man or woman are better, they can both do the same amount of things. I believe in EQUALITY. And yes, being good in the subject that you are studying at a university which correlates to the career you are going to undertake is usually a good sign that you will be good at that career.. :rolleyes: "Just shows you that females don't care about being nerdy"? Na na boo boo. Are you 5?

[GeistFaust]

I thought scholarships are gained by academic excellence?;)

Not into today's leftist culture there are illegitimate black people that get scholarships to go to college for free while smart Asian guys and White guys get shafted.

[bulgarian88]

I wonder why Bulgarian females married to foreigners outnumber Bulgarian males married to foreign females? For example, many Bulgarian men come back from abroad looking for a Bulgarian bride as if there are no females in the USA. Is it the same in other countries? Are males more conservative considering marriage?

[Peasant]

People of lower intelligence mock academic pursuit due to their own insecurity, or inability to understand it.


Not into today's leftist culture there are illegitimate black people that get scholarships to go to college for free while smart Asian guys and White guys get shafted.

Is this in the US with that affirmative action stuff? I don't think it works like that here.

[Boudica]

I'm done arguing with men who obviously, as Karl said, are pussified boys who can't handle women and think they are too intimidating for his weak personality, you fucking morons can live in the past, who knows in the future maybe they will invent a time machine and you can be taken back to the time of hunters and gatherers, but in the mean time I suggest you "men" convert to Islam, the women there will be perfect to passify your little man syndrome. Such hatred towards women, is it the the lack of pussy or just the lack of intelligence that causes that?

[GeistFaust]

I wonder why Bulgarian females married to foreigners outnumber Bulgarian males married to foreign females? For example, many Bulgarian men come back from abroad looking for a Bulgarian bride as if there are no females in the USA. Is it the same in other countries? Are males more conservative considering marriage?

Its because women do not care which seed they pass down to their children all they care is for the creation of a new generation without even taking into consideration who they mate with. That is why we need strong and nationalistic men that will be willing to keep their women straight so as to preserve their national identity. That is why women need to men to straighten them out and guide them to do what they ought to do.

[Psychonaut]

...their should be some regulations unfortunately those regulations on reproduction have been over utilized to the point where we have people who put no regulations on regulating the generation of a new generation. Its because you have couples who would prefer to spend their time going on vacations to Greece, buying luxury cars, and buying a nice house instead of sacrificing part of their desires and wants towards producing a good group of individuals for the generations to come.

I've never, in real life (only creepy internet people), met reasonable people who seriously advocate governmental restrictions on reproduction. Arbiters of who should be allowed and/or mandated to have how many children seem to only exist in China and on internet fora.


Now women are not that intimidating their are a few ways to put them in place. Its called acting like a man. A few slaps accross the face should show them who is in charge.

You have hereby been upgraded to: Super Creep™

[bulgarian88]

"And yes, being good in the subject that you are studying at a university which correlates to the career you are going to undertake is usually a good sign that you will be good at that career.."
Well, I don't know about your country, but most female university students around me either rely on their good looks (most university professors here are male) or cheating during exams to get better grades. One of my close friends (a female) slept with one of our professors and she got a 6 (out of 6), which equals 'A'. If you are male you cannot cheat here, because you are suspected and teachers always look at you, which is a proof of double standards.

[GeistFaust]

I'm done arguing with men who obviously, as Karl said, are pussified boys who can't handle women and think they are too intimidating for his weak personality, you fucking morons can live in the past, who knows in the future maybe they will invent a time machine and you can be taken back to the time of hunters and gatherers, but in the mean time I suggest you "men" convert to Islam, the women there will be perfect to passify your little man syndrome. Such hatreds towards women, is that the lack of pussy or just the lack of intelligence?

You just sold your soul down the river. Its not that we can not handle women its quite the opposite women can not handle a real man especially in today's society where so many women desire to be liberated and free. You are inverting this whole topic inside out its the men who let women get too much power in society that have the weak personalities. Its because men like this who are willing to let themselves be bullied by woman that are not true men but just pawns for the feminist like alot of the male politicians that actually allowed feminism to rear its ugly head. I don't hate women because of lack of pussy the only thing woman think about during sex is how they will manipulate and control the relationship by using the man as a means to get their child.

[Boudica]

"And yes, being good in the subject that you are studying at a university which correlates to the career you are going to undertake is usually a good sign that you will be good at that career.."
Well, I don't know about your country, but most female university students around me either rely on their good looks (most university professors here are male) or cheating during exams to get better grades. One of my close friends (a female) slept with one of our professors and she got a 6 (out of 6), which equals 'A'. If you are male you cannot cheat here, because you are suspected and teachers always look at you, which is a proof of double standards.

Lol, pathetic attempt to start an argument. But to make you happy YES women only do good in college because they blow their professors. Lol, hilarious..

[alexandra]

this thread is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

[GeistFaust]

I've never, in real life (only creepy internet people), met reasonable people who seriously advocate governmental restrictions on reproduction. Arbiters of who should be allowed and/or mandated to have how many children seem to only exist in China and on internet fora.

I never said the government should get involved only that the state should regulate marriages and try to select marriages based on what will most likely produce good children. I think that rich and wealthy people who are well off should be allowed to have less restrictions on how much they reproduce. Meanwhile poor gutter rats should have more restrictions on how many children they reproduce.

You have hereby been upgraded to: Super Creep™

[Boudica]

. I don't hate women because of lack of pussy the only thing woman think about during sex is how they will manipulate and control the relationship by using the man as a means to get their child.

LOL

ok, ok I can't stop laughing, i'm going to have a heart attack or something, I can't read this anymore, looool.

[GeistFaust]

Lol, pathetic attempt to start an argument. But to make you happy YES women only do good in college because they blow their professors. Lol, hilarious..

One thing I know is women never produce any geniuses. Only the male gender has been known to produce geniuses. This is due to possessing an appitude in brain chemistry that women lack in large part because they have too much estrogen to think things thoroughly and analytically.

[alexandra]

geistfaust, share the fucking sugar cubes.

[Psychonaut]

I never said the government should get involved only that the state should regulate marriages and try to select marriages based on what will most likely produce good children.

LOL, are you retarded? Your authoritarian wet dream would give more power to the state over regulating marriage and reproduction than currently exists in any nation. That is "not getting involved" how exactly? :D

You, sir, have leveled up and been promoted to: Mega Creep™

[bulgarian88]

Lol, pathetic attempt to start an argument. But to make you happy YES women only do good in college because they blow their professors. Lol, hilarious..

A pathetic attempt to sound funny. I wonder if you are so strong of a woman, would you ever go to war in the name of your country? I doubt it. Would you let your husband do the cooking if he's better at it than you? I doubt it. Because you are insecure. You want to be the one who does the chores and the cooking, you want to be the one who 'choses the furniture and curtains'. And if there is a war in your country you wouldn't go out and fight, you would run and hide away. We don't need week, male-bashing females, they belong to a bygone era.

[GeistFaust]

Another thing talking about pussy women were mostly undesired in most circumstances not too long ago until they came out with hygiene material and other means to make them more presentable during intercourse.

[Psychonaut]

One thing I know is women never produce any geniuses. Only the male gender has been known to produce geniuses. This is due to possessing an appitude in brain chemistry that women lack in large part because they have too much estrogen to think things thoroughly and analytically.

Quoted for insecurity, idiocy and general creepiness.

But, congradulations, you've leveled up YET AGAIN to: Ultra Creep™

[Peasant]

A pathetic attempt to sound funny. I wonder if you are so strong of a woman, would you ever go to war in the name of your country? I doubt it. Would you let your husband do the cooking if he's better at it than you? I doubt it. Because you are insecure. You want to be the one who does the chores and the cooking, you want to be the one who 'choses the furniture and curtains'. And if there is a war in your country you wouldn't go out and fight, you would run and hide away. We don't need week, male-bashing females, they belong to a bygone era.

Where did she 'male bash'? I've been doing that more than her.

[Boudica]

A pathetic attempt to sound funny. I wonder if you are so strong of a woman, would you ever go to war in the name of your country? I doubt it. Would you let your husband do the cooking if he's better at it than you? I doubt it. Because you are insecure. You want to be the one who does the chores and the cooking, you want to be the one who 'choses the furniture and curtains'. And if there is a war in your country you wouldn't go out and fight, you would run and hide away. We don't need week, male-bashing females, they belong to a bygone era.

You know so much about me :/ you broke me down, are you god?! HOW DO YOU KNOW MY MIND MAN?! That is exactly the point I was trying to make across, and my EXACT mentality.. (sarcasm, just in case the retard doesn't understand)

[Psychonaut]

Another thing talking about pussy women were mostly undesired in most circumstances not too long ago until they came out with hygiene material and other means to make them more presentable during intercourse.

Amazing! You've leveled up again: Mondo Creep™

[GeistFaust]

LOL, are you retarded? Your authoritarian wet dream would give more power to the state over regulating marriage and reproduction than currently exists in any nation. That is "not getting involved" how exactly? :D

You, sir, have leveled up and been promoted to: Mega Creep™


Yes well it would save the state alot of money if gutter rats and welfare types were not allowed to reproduce as much as say a middle or upper class family. It would save the state money and plus it would save the middle and upper class meaningless taxes to the state for all the money they have to spend on gutter rats producing 15 children who all live in a dysfunctional family that are related to each other because they were born out of wedlock by the same drug addicted father who is now in jail. The state should be checked though to the extent that perhaps a gutter rat can produce every once and a while but that if they produce more than the required norm they will be fined severely.

[Peasant]

Maybe I'm a wuss because I wouldn't mind choosing the furniture and curtains?

[la bombe]

Another thing talking about pussy women were mostly undesired in most circumstances not too long ago until they came out with hygiene material and other means to make them more presentable during intercourse.

Are you gay?

[Boudica]

Another thing talking about pussy women were mostly undesired in most circumstances not too long ago until they came out with hygiene material and other means to make them more presentable during intercourse.

Lol are you a RETARD? Through out history women have been the most desirable creatures on this planet, please to god shut up before you make your self look even more repulsive.

edit: I never knew that women were "undesired" unless it is behind the eyes of a gay man, are you gay?

[GeistFaust]

Are you gay?

No I am not saying that I am attracted by the "fair sex." Although they are not as asthetically pleasing as most men who are blinded by their sexual impulse would lead you to believe. Men keep things in perspective for the most part while women blow their own looks and men's as well out of proportion.

[bulgarian88]

Well, I think if people were not divided into two genders, they wouldn't be negative, they would be closer to each other. They wouldn't be male-bashing female pricks, or males, bashing women. There wouldn't be no feminism and no feminazis. I guess the reason people hurt the feelings of others and hate the opposite gender is because no male is complete without a female, and no female is complete without a male. People were once two-gendered (or no-gendered) beings, but they were divided into males and females. It's a legend, but I think it holds true. Otherwise why are people such opposite sex-bashing pricks? I have yet to see a female that doesn't bash males and a male that doesn't bash females.

[GeistFaust]

Lol are you a RETARD? Through out history women have been the most desirable creatures on this planet, please to god shut up before you make your self look even more repulsive.

edit: I never knew that women were "undesired" unless it is behind the eyes of a gay man, are you gay?

You are just being a bot for psychonaut. Only recent modern means has made woman more presentable or attractive sometimes in a natural way. I suppose if you are a proponent of naturalism women who lacked hygiene in begone times would have made for attractive specimens according to the laws of nature.

[Jägerstaffel]

Now women are not that intimidating their are a few ways to put them in place. Its called acting like a man. A few slaps accross the face should show them who is in charge.

Well, that's just amazing.

[GeistFaust]

Well, I think if people were not divided into two genders, they wouldn't be negative, they would be closer to each other. They wouldn't be male-bashing female pricks, or males, bashing women. There wouldn't be no feminism and no feminazis. I guess the reason people hurt the feelings of others and hate the opposite gender is because no male is complete without a female, and no female is complete without a male. People were once two-gendered (or no-gendered) beings, but they were divided into males and females. It's a legend, but I think it holds true. Otherwise why are people such opposite sex-bashing pricks? I have yet to see a female that doesn't bash males and a male that doesn't bash females.

This thread is a good indicator that men and woman get along with each other. Woman misunderstand themselves and men while men tend to have some semblance of understanding about themselves and women. This is why overall women in history have gotten on quite splendidly other than what most modern feminist would want you to believe.

[Boudica]

No I am not saying that I am attracted by the "fair sex." Although they are not as asthetically pleasing as most men who are blinded by their sexual impulse would lead you to believe. Men keep things in perspective for the most part while women blow their own looks and men's as well out of proportion.
HAHAH

[la bombe]

No I am not saying that I am attracted by the "fair sex." Although they are not as asthetically pleasing as most men who are blinded by their sexual impulse would lead you to believe. Men keep things in perspective for the most part while women blow their own looks and men's as well out of proportion.

Wait, so you're gay right? That's all I'm getting from your posts.

[bulgarian88]

Bashing like the one going on in this topic makes me love animals more than people! Will you guys stop hating on the opposite sex, if all males were to get their testicles and p*nises removed and the females got their t*ts removed and v*aginas half sealed? Or you'll be just as negative and insulting? This thread should be closed and all gender-related threads, too.

[Psychonaut]

You are just being a bot for psychonaut. Only recent modern means has made woman more presentable or attractive sometimes in a natural way. I suppose if you are a proponent of naturalism women who lacked hygiene in begone times would have made for attractive specimens according to the laws of nature.

[/sarcasm] Yeah, dude. You're totally right! Women have always been nasty, disgusting, stupid creatures that would revert into throwing their own poop at each other if it hadn't've been for the strong, guiding hand of the menfolk. That must be why manly men have always preferred buggery for recreation and only resorted to breeding with the nasty gender for the necessities of procreation. You're a genius! [/sarcasm]

Seriously though, upgraded again: Über Creep™

[GeistFaust]

Wait, so you're gay right? That's all I'm getting from your posts.

No you misunderstand what I am saying you need to understand that first off. I am probably one of the healthiest homosexuals out there. I am just being demonized by radical feminist for being homosexual when I am actually being quite the opposite so don't take my post out of context please.

[Jägerstaffel]

Thread delivers.

[Nglund]

Why can't we live together?:whoo:

[Peasant]

No you misunderstand what I am saying you need to understand that first off. I am probably one of the healthiest homosexuals out there. I am just being demonized by radical feminist for being homosexual when I am actually being quite the opposite so don't take my post out of context please.

:laugh2: So are you gay or not? Or are you saying your not gay but you do a bit of bumming with the lads? I don't get it?

[Wyn]

Now women are not that intimidating their are a few ways to put them in place. Its called acting like a man. A few slaps accross the face should show them who is in charge.

Alright, I rather regret defending this bloke now. :D

[Boudica]

You are just being a bot for psychonaut. Only recent modern means has made woman more presentable or attractive sometimes in a natural way. I suppose if you are a proponent of naturalism women who lacked hygiene in begone times would have made for attractive specimens according to the laws of nature.

A bot for psychonaut, that has a ring to it, doesn't it? Your hilarious, you should have your own comedy gig, however your audience would turn into a pool of little men with 0 confidence, and 0 balls, and they wouldn't be laughing, they would be rubbing them selves to your idiotic claims which stroke their inferiority complex.

[GeistFaust]

[/sarcasm] Yeah, dude. You're totally right! Women have always been nasty, disgusting, stupid creatures that would revert into throwing their own poop at each other if it hadn't've been for the strong, guiding hand of the menfolk. That must be why manly men have always preferred buggery for recreation and only resorted to breeding with the nasty gender for the necessities of procreation. You're a genius! [/sarcasm]

Seriously though, upgraded again: Über Creep™

Excuse me is that the only tone you can express in a response. Women do have an inclination towards beauty in the forms of art primarily but their creative spontaneous impulses sometimes lead them astray and that is why good men need to lead them in the right direction. Even if that means employing the carrot in front of a donkey scheme to keep them distracted and in line. Manly men attracted women not the other way around. Women wanted their hearts won by men who were true to tradition and to protecting the well being of the community as a whole.

[Jägerstaffel]

You go ahead and try to lead women, GeistFaust. Tell me how that works out.

[GeistFaust]

A bot for psychonaut, that has a ring to it, doesn't it? Your hilarious, you should have your own comedy gig, however your audience would turn into a pool of little men with 0 confidence, and 0 balls, and they wouldn't be laughing, they would be rubbing them selves to your idiotic claims which stroke their inferiority complex.

Ah and its like the feminist who is trying to claim that women have been suppressed and have more than it takes than men is the one with the inferiority complex. Don't project your inferiority complex on to me. I am just being a rational realist.

[GeistFaust]

:laugh2: So are you gay or not? Or are you saying your not gay but you do a bit of bumming with the lads? I don't get it?

I am 100% Hetrosexual and I do not need to prove it I am just presenting things in a way that would make you feminist want to make me appear to be a homosexual when I am being a real man. Its part of the feminist agenda to make men homosexuals. I am very against their mission to feminize their men with reverse psychology.

[bulgarian88]

This thread and especially the opinions of brsgirl10, GeistFaust (and especially those leftists opposing him) and Peasant prove that humans are the most pathetic creature wandering the Earth. I'm sorry if you feel insulted, but thats the truth. Animals don't divide into genders and races. They are united and they love and care for each other. How could you be so negative about genders? Yep, I like animals more more than humans! Oh and kittens and puppies are cute and sweet, and not nasty, unlike child infants.

[Psychonaut]

Excuse me is that the only tone you can express in a response.

Yes, I am only capable of responding to retardism with mocking and disparagement. And you...

http://arch.413chan.net/full_retard-%28n1291603489035%29.jpg

[GeistFaust]

You go ahead and try to lead women, GeistFaust. Tell me how that works out.

You lead women by good example first by acting upon things in an upright and mora fashion. Secondly by preserving the communities and traditions which personify you and her. And thirdly by making sure that you will be her safeguard in a time of trouble and that you will be willing to rescue her or even sacrifice yourself for her to defend her freedoms like a true and chivalrous knightly charachter.

[alexandra]

Its part of the feminist agenda to make men homosexuals. .

[GeistFaust]

Yes, I am only capable of responding to retardism with mocking and disparagement. And you...

http://arch.413chan.net/full_retard-%28n1291603489035%29.jpg

Yes and all you can do is call up other people names when you are insecure about yourself. If you call your responses as being sarcastic or mocking you must truly not understand that you can not be taken seriously. I am not taking you seriously because doing so is only giving you the edge over me.

[Jägerstaffel]

And thirdly by making sure that you will be her safeguard in a time of trouble and that you will be willing to rescue her or even sacrifice yourself for her to defend her freedoms like a true and chivalrous knightly charachter.

And controlling her every move.

[GeistFaust]

And controlling her every move.

Not necessarily a true man lets a woman's spirit run freely in so far as that spirit does not interfere with the man's duty to her and the community.

[bulgarian88]

This topic should be
http://www.fastcompany.com/files/imagecache/bucket_image/files/next-54-etho-Closed-2.jpg
Just a suggestion.
I cannot stand male-bashing. Not even female-bashing.
If you're gonna bash people, bash both sexes!
It's feminism and machismo that make me think that
http://images4.cpcache.com/product/121555344v10_150x150_Front.jpg

[Curtis24]

A gender argument got nasty. Who would have thought...

[bulgarian88]

Gender-related stuff always get nasty. It's because most males and most females are both insecure.

[Psychonaut]

Yes and all you can do is call up other people names when you are insecure about yourself. If you call your responses as being sarcastic or mocking you must truly not understand that you can not be taken seriously. I am not taking you seriously because doing so is only giving you the edge over me.

http://emotibot.net/pix/1084.jpg

[Boudica]

My point is that MEN and WOMEN are equal. I have not bashed either sex, I have only stood up for mine.

[bulgarian88]

My point is that MEN and WOMEN are equal. I have not bashed either sex, I have only stood up for mine.

'stood up for mine'? Lol, talk about us-vs-them mentality. I hate that mentality in people when it comes to genders. You shouldn't consider your gender when posting here. I think GeistFaust is also to blame. When thinking and talking/writing/giving opinion on something one should disregard/ignore his/her gender.

[Peasant]

I did but then I was told I was pathetic by you.

[Boudica]

'stood up for mine'? Lol, talk about us-vs-them mentality. I hate that mentality in people when it comes to genders. You shouldn't consider your gender when posting here. I think GeistFaust is also to blame. When thinking and talking/writing/giving opinion on something one should disregard/ignore his/her gender.

That'll be all troll, that'll be all.

[Jägerstaffel]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100105003424/uncyclopedia/images/7/74/Wtf-pics-drug-leprechaun.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2368/2169050955_8834aa0d41.jpg

[bulgarian88]

But you didn't do it right. You were just bashing your own gender. I have yet to see a female do that.

[Peasant]

I said I was but really I meant I brought up the 'are women more intelligent than men on average?' thing. Which isn't.

Admittedly I was doing it just to be a dick. :D

[Boudica]

But you didn't do it right. You were just bashing your own gender. I have yet to see a female do that.

http://youtu.be/FMEe7JqBgvg

for you.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1P3b7R6vzJw/S9CtAXr2ieI/AAAAAAAACQo/w6rnreZFpCE/s1600/blow_a_kiss_by_ailenni.jpg

[bulgarian88]

@brsgirl10 you are internally insecure, but don't worry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QCZ_bv9aLc

[Jägerstaffel]

Countdown to thread closure.

[The Lawspeaker]

GeistFaust will probably never have a girlfriend.

[Sahson]

"Any college teacher (at least in the social sciences and life sciences) who has ever paid attention to their own stats know that women do better than men in college classes.
There are all kinds of post hoc explanations given for this like "Girls get better grades because professors are men, nod nod wink wink" and so on. What a load of crap. Women are smarter than men on average, among the smartest people there is no emperical evidence that women are underrepresented, and among the dumbest people in the world .... well, those are mostly guys.
The reasons are obvious and straight forward. The hormones that give some men an evolutionary advantage over some other men also make you stoopid. Any questions? Ask a girl, she'll explain it to you.
And now, finally (or shall I say, "once again") there's proof:

Female students are ahead of men in almost every measure of UK university achievement, according to a report from higher education researchers.
A Higher Education Policy Institute report shows that women are more likely to get places in the top universities and go on to get better grades.
Women also outnumber men in high status subjects, such as law and medicine."

Yes if it weren't for the big strong man women would just fall! We would all just die! We can't think for ourselves, all we can do is "make country clubs"..? How sad.. It seems like you people need to go back to the primitive days as hunters and gatherers, either that or convert to fucking islam.

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[Anarch]

*begins necromancy spell*

I am opposed to the equality of the sexes. Equality implies being identical. Women and men are not identical. I do, however, support the dignity of women - assuming they can maintain it. I point to the whorishness of many women/girls as a counterexample of those who cannot. Respect is something that must be earned, it is not an entitlement. A girl who gains the reputation of spreading her legs after a dozen beers and has ten abortions under her belt then screams to be treated with respect is something to be laughed at derisively.

Which is not to say men in general shouldn't pull their act together. What should the relationship between the sexes resemble? The culture of the Germans as depicted in Tacitus' Germania. A world in which neither feminism nor the ridiculous 'men's rights' movement exists.

*concludes necromancy spell*

[Bobby Martnen]

Feminism is a social disease.

[Papastratosels26]

Feminism is a social disease.This

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[renaissance12]

Women and men are different.. Feminism is wrong when its goal is to convince that women and men are equal..

[Moje ime]

Women and men are different.. Feminism is wrong when its goal is to convince that women and men are equal..

That is true. Men have penis women have vagina. :thumb001:

[Armenian Bishop]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.

I agree, and that's basically what happened. So many people here are too young. A husband would leave the nuclear family to date and marry the younger secretary; meanwhile, the wife at home got blindsided and found out too late.

[renaissance12]

That is true. Men have penis women have vagina. :thumb001:

and menstruation... During the menstruation many women are histerical

[Moje ime]

and menstruation... During the menstruation many women are histerical

Many men even without menstruation.

[renaissance12]

Many men even without menstruation.

Gay men ?

[Moje ime]

I agree, and that's basically what happened. So many people here are too young. A husband would leave the nuclear family to date and marry the younger secretary; meanwhile, the wife at home got blindsided and found out too late.

Most patriarchal societies like Muslim ones allow having many women. Wrong treating of women from the beginning.

But those societies have no feminism.

Are they a healthy ones?

[Moje ime]

Gay men ?

Every man who becomes aggressive easily. You have many examples on this forum as well.

[Jackson78]

Every man who becomes aggressive easily. You have many examples on this forum as well.

Let's make politically correct babies darling. ;)

[Armenian Bishop]

Let's make politically correct babies darling. ;)


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[Bogdan]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.

I’m in agreeance. I’m aware there are different forms of feminism but the majority of them are about abandoning natural roles and fighting the opposite sex, which is not natural.

[Bogdan]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.

I’m in agreeance. I’m aware there are different forms of feminism but the majority of them are about abandoning natural roles and fighting the opposite sex, which is not natural. What separates the sexes is our different reproductive roles. I don’t believe in harsh gender roles apart from this, but I prefer feminine women and think it is more natural that way.

[Bogdan]

If men had treated women more fairly and with respect in the first place, feminism would probably never have taken root in any significant form. That is my point. :) Feminism can be regarded as reactionary.

I’m in agreeance. I’m aware there are different forms of feminism but the majority of them are about abandoning natural roles and fighting the opposite sex, which is not natural. What separates the sexes is our different reproductive roles. I don’t believe in harsh gender roles apart from this, but I prefer feminine women and think it is more natural that way.

[Bogdan]

Crap. Just realized when it said there was an error I accidentally reposted my message several times. Someone should delete all my posts on this thread but my last post .

[Peterski]

That is true. Men have penis women have vagina. :thumb001:

All women also suffer from a quite serious genetic condition known as diplosomy of X chromosome.

Instead of having one copy of X chromosome (as is normal), they have two. And they are missing Y.

Due to this, a woman is more genetically diistinct from a man, than a Negro man is from an Asian man.