The Offspring Of Two Different Caucasians Sub-Groups Is Not "Mixed-Race" By Definition

[Anglojew]

There seems to be some confusion here about what constitutes racial mixing. Some people have called the offspring of a European and a Semite "mixed-race," but they aren't mixed-race as they are both of the Caucasian race being only "mixed-subrace."

According to Coon the original (before European colonisation of the South Pacific and Americas) racial distribution looked like this;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

The confusion might come because many modern people labeled as Arabs (but in reality any number of ethnic groupings from Aramaic to Berber) have much sub-Saharan "Black" admixture (as well as Turkic and Mongolian) due to both migrations and slavery (of around 20% in the case of Yemini Arabs) so today's Middle-Easterners are no longer "white" unlike their more pure Caucasian cousins like the most Druze and many Syrians, Kurds and Jews.

A helpful map of the region (excluding some Caucasians like Indids) is this one where we can see that today's Middle-East and Spain belong to a similar subrace;

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

So, please don't confuse the offspring of two different Caucasian branches as being mixed-race although the situation of interbreeding with darker-skinned Middle Easterners, Indians, Georgians, Armenians and Spaniards might lead you to this conclusion because the offspring might no longer be "white" i.e. Fair-Skinned they will still remain Caucasian.

*It was pointed out below that the East Africa section is unreliable as Somalis and so forth aren't Caucasian but for the purposes of the thread this map will do.

[archangel]

lol i loved the below map

[Lábaru]

xD xD xD Are you trying to not to feel yourself like a Mestizo? of course it is miscegenation, genetically different populations. The science dominates over Coon and his pseudoscience of the last century.

Racial complexes everywhere.

[alfieb]

Carleton Coon's map is wrong. East Africans are not Caucasoids.

Moreover, since that map is supposed to be pre-colonization of the New World, (so, before the 1500s), Siberia shouldn't be Caucasoid, either.

[Anglojew]

Carleton Coon's map is wrong. East Africans are not Caucasoids.

That's true but they linguistically speak a Semitic language and their Skeletal structure is classified as Caucasian often I think as they're about 60% Caucasian by DNA. Good pick up, is problematic. I think they're mainly East African.

[Anglojew]

xD xD xD Are you trying to not to feel yourself like a Mestizo? of course it is miscegenation, genetically different populations. The science dominates over Coon and his pseudoscience of the last century.

Racial complexes everywhere.

I'm not mixed-race.

What percentage of your ancestry is Moorish (SSA)?

[Anglojew]

Might be a better map;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_3.jpg/796px-Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_3.jpg

[Mans not hot]

xD xD xD Are you trying to not to feel yourself like a Mestizo? of course it is miscegenation, genetically different populations. The science dominates over Coon and his pseudoscience of the last century.

Racial complexes everywhere.
Coon is as reliable as a fart in a hurricane..

[Lábaru]

I'm not mixed-race.


Of course you are mixed race, inside your veins flows the blood of who knows how many races, you are a "Ashkenazi" by definition you are an inhabitant from the Middle East(semitic) mixed with people of central and eastern Europe, a mestizo.

[Saruman]

xD xD xD Are you trying to not to feel yourself like a Mestizo? of course it is miscegenation, genetically different populations. The science dominates over Coon and his pseudoscience of the last century.

Racial complexes everywhere.

Charleton Coon was a scientist and better one than any contemporary so called "anthropologists" (for whom anthropology is more of a social than biological science), alongside with Gunther, Von Eickstedt and Lundman, Rainer Knussman etc.

With regard to topic, technically both Europeans and Middle Easterners are Europid by race (term used by Agrippa and Von Eickstedt and Knussman I believe too). But genetically there are noticeable differences, reinforced by cultural differences, and certainly middle easterners depart in many respects from "ideal features".

But of course than an Arabid-Nordid mix is not "mixed-race", technically strictly going by terms. Negrid, Indianid, Australid, Mongolid, Cappoid admixture is required for that. Those are other races.

[Anglojew]

Of course you are mixed race, inside your veins flows the blood of who knows how many races, you are a "Ashkenazi" by definition you are an inhabitant of the Middle East mixed with people of central and eastern Europe, a mestizo.

All Caucasian sub-groups. I just have basically all the sub-groups whereas you have only 2 or 3 and SSA.

[Anglojew]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/THbUXTYkSsI/AAAAAAAACjA/4kfKIzxH7GY/s1600/ashkenazi.jpg

[Hoca]

Maps don't even match each other.

[SkyBurn]

Of course you are mixed race, inside your veins flows the blood of who knows how many races, you are a "Ashkenazi" by definition you are an inhabitant from the Middle East(semitic) mixed with people of central and eastern Europe, a mestizo.

Mixed race? :p

Says the Spaniard probably hoarding some Moorish/Sephardi blood.

Somebody would see me on the street and assume I'm white. I wonder how often you'd get confused with an arab...

[Anglojew]

Maps don't even match each other.

Different time periods eg before or after the Turkish occupation/invasion of Byzantium.

[Lábaru]

All Caucasian sub-groups.....

A Semitic Jew from middle east mixed with an Eastern or Central European is a mestizo, this is an undeniable fact by current genetic reality.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6Y4ZgFsZdY/THaeRzxEhJI/AAAAAAAAAYo/YgRyAz2YnDU/s1600/R1b+sub-structure.png
http://oi52.tinypic.com/335gmd4.jpg

The only reason that Sephardic and Ashkenazi are there is for their mixed race with Europeans, you feel sad?? :)

[Anglojew]

A Semitic Jew from middle east mixed with an Eastern or Central European is a mestizo, this is an undeniable fact by current genetic reality.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6Y4ZgFsZdY/THaeRzxEhJI/AAAAAAAAAYo/YgRyAz2YnDU/s1600/R1b+sub-structure.png
http://oi52.tinypic.com/335gmd4.jpg

you feel sad?? :)

1. I'm half "Nordic" Anglo-Saxon

2. On the map you posted Ashkenazi Jews are literally joined to Italians so thanks for proving my point.

[Lábaru]

xD xD xD read me again "The only reason that Sephardic and Ashkenazi are there is for their mixed race with Europeans", your Palestinian semi-brothers are far away.

[Hoca]

Anglo jew totally didn't make a point here.

[SkyBurn]

The only reason that Sephardic and Ashkenazi are there is for their mixed race with Europeans, you feel sad?? :)

Fortunately, people don't walk around with their genetics stuck onto their forehead where everybody can see.

If you want to tell yourself that you're "superior" because you're possibly more European, fine. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

But the truth is, that people only care how you look, and will judge your ethnicity based on that. So don't feel more superior, because you really aren't

[Anglojew]

xD xD xD read me again "The only reason that Sephardic and Ashkenazi are there is for their mixed race with Europeans", your Palestinian semi-brothers are far away.

The point is the Pali's have too much SSA etc so they've drifted apart whereas Jews have remained more pure so you have the situation reversed.

[Lábaru]

The point is the Pali's have too much SSA etc so they've drifted apart whereas Jews have remained more pure so you have the situation reversed.

Ok but at the end of day a little voice in your head will always tell you the truth, the nose knows.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=6429&dateline=1352520765

[Anglojew]

Ok but at the end of day a little voice in your head will always tell you the truth, the nose knows.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=6429&dateline=1352520765

Noses with prominent bridges are typical of Caucasians.

Do you think the Spanish are known for their delicate features?

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/2/31/44/2/@/215522-rossy-de-palma-au-1835-white-palm-637x0-2.jpg

[Lábaru]

xD If you do not like the answer, do not ask. Sometimes ignorance is bliss :)

[Twistedmind]

Might be a better map;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_3.jpg/796px-Passing_of_the_Great_Race_-_Map_3.jpg

Lol, that map is older than Coon. :picard1:

[Anglojew]

Lol, that map is older than Coon. :picard1:

Those maps are great but here's a modern one;

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZf5bV8e4FI/UNXfRC3fYcI/AAAAAAAAAYc/LBnAQ5AbUv4/s1600/Race-Map-of-Europe-2000.png

[Zmey Gorynych]

Technically no it's not race-mixing, it would be scientifically correct to call these mixes (partially) non-european caucasoids. I find it hard to believe though that europeans will accept a let's say Nordid/North-Indid mix as racially pure :)

[Lábaru]

Technically no it's not race-mixing, it would be scientifically correct to call these mixes (partially) non-european caucasoids. I find it hard to believe though that europeans will accept a let's say Nordid/North-Indid mix as racially pure :)

well, is a matter of opinion, you can find a lots of European leftists groups who tell you that an European and a Nigerian are of the same race, therefore their union does not mean mixing of races because there is only one race, the human race.

Here we have an Ashkenazi Jew who will tell you that the Palestinians are a mixed race, of course, but he, with Middle Eastern+Anglo-Saxon blood is not a mestizo.

The question is who is right? the 2012 science of genetics or a map colored by the paint?

[Grace O'Malley]

There seems to be some confusion here about what constitutes racial mixing. Some people have called the offspring of a European and a Semite "mixed-race," but they aren't mixed-race as they are both of the Caucasian race being only "mixed-subrace."

According to Coon the original (before European colonisation of the South Pacific and Americas) racial distribution looked like this;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

The confusion might come because many modern people labeled as Arabs (but in reality any number of ethnic groupings from Aramaic to Berber) have much sub-Saharan "Black" admixture (as well as Turkic and Mongolian) due to both migrations and slavery (of around 20% in the case of Yemini Arabs) so today's Middle-Easterners are no longer "white" unlike their more pure Caucasian cousins like the most Druze and many Syrians, Kurds and Jews.

A helpful map of the region (excluding some Caucasians like Indids) is this one where we can see that today's Middle-East and Spain belong to a similar subrace;

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

So, please don't confuse the offspring of two different Caucasian branches as being mixed-race although the situation of interbreeding with darker-skinned Middle Easterners, Indians, Georgians, Armenians and Spaniards might lead you to this conclusion because the offspring might no longer be "white" i.e. Fair-Skinned they will still remain Caucasian.

Lol how all of Ireland is darker than Wales and southern England.

[Zmey Gorynych]

well, is a matter of opinion, you can find a lots of European leftists groups who tell you that an European and a Nigerian are of the same race, therefore their union does not mean mixing of races because there is only one race, the human race.

Here we have an Ashkenazi Jew who will tell you that the Palestinians are a mixed race, of course, but he, with Middle Eastern+Anglo-Saxon blood is not a mestizo.
The jew wants to be accepted and its no surprise that he makes all these threads in which he tries to "initiate" us europeans into the mysteries of anthropological terminology. What he doesn't know is that certain people are themselves quite good with dialectics :)
For those who think that euros and negroes are the same I have only one appellative - IDIOTS.

[Onur]

Those maps are great but here's a modern one;

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZf5bV8e4FI/UNXfRC3fYcI/AAAAAAAAAYc/LBnAQ5AbUv4/s1600/Race-Map-of-Europe-2000.png
Like most of the ethnic maps i saw in forums, this one is stupid and wrong too. According to this one, 90% of Turkish people are supposedly mediterranid and the rest are armenoid! This is wrong!

The truth is the big majority of Turkish people are Alpinid, some of them are pontids, meds, dinarids and the rest are the mix of those. Armeniods are not more than 1-2%.

[Anglojew]

Lol how all of Ireland is darker than Wales and southern England.

Black Irish

[Anglojew]

The jew wants to be accepted and its no surprise that he makes all these threads in which he tries to "initiate" us europeans into the mysteries of anthropological terminology. What he doesn't know is that certain people are themselves quite good with dialectics :)
For those who think that euros and negroes are the same I have only one appellative - IDIOTS.

Negroids are a different race obviously.

[Anglojew]

Like most of the ethnic maps i saw in forums, this one is stupid and wrong too. According to this one, 90% of Turkish people are supposedly mediterranid and the rest are armenoid! This is wrong!

The truth is the big majority of Turkish people are Alpinid, some of them are pontids, meds, dinarids and the rest are the mix of those. Armeniods are not more than 1-2%.

All those groups are Caucasian anyway so it's a mute point for this thread.

[Anglojew]

It's amazing how well the map of the subraces of Europe corresponds with the map of southern Europe I posted on another thread (http://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67511);

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/310/3/a/cities_of_southern_europe_by_nederbird-d329wdm.png

What I find interesting about this is how perfectly this subracial division impacts upon economics and culture.

[Sicilianu101]

There seems to be some confusion here about what constitutes racial mixing. Some people have called the offspring of a European and a Semite "mixed-race," but they aren't mixed-race as they are both of the Caucasian race being only "mixed-subrace."

According to Coon the original (before European colonisation of the South Pacific and Americas) racial distribution looked like this;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

The confusion might come because many modern people labeled as Arabs (but in reality any number of ethnic groupings from Aramaic to Berber) have much sub-Saharan "Black" admixture (as well as Turkic and Mongolian) due to both migrations and slavery (of around 20% in the case of Yemini Arabs) so today's Middle-Easterners are no longer "white" unlike their more pure Caucasian cousins like the most Druze and many Syrians, Kurds and Jews.

A helpful map of the region (excluding some Caucasians like Indids) is this one where we can see that today's Middle-East and Spain belong to a similar subrace;

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

So, please don't confuse the offspring of two different Caucasian branches as being mixed-race although the situation of interbreeding with darker-skinned Middle Easterners, Indians, Georgians, Armenians and Spaniards might lead you to this conclusion because the offspring might no longer be "white" i.e. Fair-Skinned they will still remain Caucasian.

*It was pointed out below that the East Africa section is unreliable as Somalis and so forth aren't Caucasian but for the purposes of the thread this map will do.

Whats the source for the second photo?

[Anglojew]

Whats the source for the second photo?

I just found it when googling Caucasian subraces. It's one of the more modern ones as this kind of thing is obviously out of vogue in the post-modern world.

[MarkyMark]

You used Arameans(who have become integrated into what you guys refer to as Assyrians) as an example of middle-easterners who mixed with blacks however Assyrians, whether they are from Syria, Iraq, or S.E. Turkey they did not mix with other people.

[Anglojew]

You used Arameans(who have become integrated into what you guys refer to as Assyrians) as an example of middle-easterners who mixed with blacks however Assyrians, whether they are from Syria, Iraq, or S.E. Turkey they did not mix with other people.

Me?

If I did I didn't mean to. I know Druze, Assyrians etc mixed less than Muslims.

[MarkyMark]

Me?

If I did I didn't mean to. I know Druze, Assyrians etc mixed less than Muslims.

Ah, ok.

[Oneandonly]

There seems to be some confusion here about what constitutes racial mixing. Some people have called the offspring of a European and a Semite "mixed-race," but they aren't mixed-race as they are both of the Caucasian race being only "mixed-subrace."

According to Coon the original (before European colonisation of the South Pacific and Americas) racial distribution looked like this;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

The confusion might come because many modern people labeled as Arabs (but in reality any number of ethnic groupings from Aramaic to Berber) have much sub-Saharan "Black" admixture (as well as Turkic and Mongolian) due to both migrations and slavery (of around 20% in the case of Yemini Arabs) so today's Middle-Easterners are no longer "white" unlike their more pure Caucasian cousins like the most Druze and many Syrians, Kurds and Jews.

A helpful map of the region (excluding some Caucasians like Indids) is this one where we can see that today's Middle-East and Spain belong to a similar subrace;

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

So, please don't confuse the offspring of two different Caucasian branches as being mixed-race although the situation of interbreeding with darker-skinned Middle Easterners, Indians, Georgians, Armenians and Spaniards might lead you to this conclusion because the offspring might no longer be "white" i.e. Fair-Skinned they will still remain Caucasian.

*It was pointed out below that the East Africa section is unreliable as Somalis and so forth aren't Caucasian but for the purposes of the thread this map will do.
Good map. You are most definetley correct. Since race is defined by bone structure, Semites are just like Europeans. In other words, they are biologically the same race, (Caucasoid). This includes Jews, Lebanese, Syrians, coastal North Africans like Egyptians near Alexandria/Cairo, Iraqis, etc. Negroid admixture in the Mid-East is mostly confined to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman.

East Africans are not Caucasoid, they are 40% Caucasoid and 60% Negroid.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

The struggle in Northern Ireland is less about religion or historical conflicts left unresolved than the Brown Europeans versus the light Europeans. In the end there can be only one.

[Petalpusher]

This map is basically a clusterfuck of all the modern genetic studies. Eire, Austria, ... half "brown Euro" ;)

[Grace O'Malley]

This map is basically a clusterfuck of all the modern genetic studies. Eire, Austria, ... half "brown Euro" ;)

I was just going to say that map was rubbish. So Ireland is significantly different than all of Britain and oddly out of place geographically looking at that map.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

[Petalpusher]

I was just going to say that map was rubbish. So Ireland is significantly different than all of Britain and oddly out of place geographically looking at that map.


i can give your the "source" so you have a good laugh too :D

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=146750.0

[Grace O'Malley]

i can give your the "source" so you have a good laugh too :D

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=146750.0

Enough said. :) These sort of maps don't exactly give much weight to any arguments. They are completely made up.

[Hadouken]

this map is total nonsense

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

[wvwvw]

this map is total nonsense

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

One Caucasoid race from Norway to Pakistan :cool:

[Hadouken]

One Caucasoid race from Norway to Pakistan :cool:

and from finland to sudan/ethiopia/somalia etc. ...haha

[Swarthist]

Only if you ignore non-Caucasoid admixture/elements (significant SSA, Australoid, Mongoloid) of some Caucasoids. The Caucasoid category is wide and the genetic distance between its sub-type is obvious. A West Asian is related to Europeans, but you can't ignore thousands years of separation. Some changes happened, even if you consider those changes as minor, or you try to ignore all genetic studies and still stick to your "All of them are Caucasian" theory.

[Shah-Jehan]

There seems to be some confusion here about what constitutes racial mixing. Some people have called the offspring of a European and a Semite "mixed-race," but they aren't mixed-race as they are both of the Caucasian race being only "mixed-subrace."

According to Coon the original (before European colonisation of the South Pacific and Americas) racial distribution looked like this;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG/800px-Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNG

The confusion might come because many modern people labeled as Arabs (but in reality any number of ethnic groupings from Aramaic to Berber) have much sub-Saharan "Black" admixture (as well as Turkic and Mongolian) due to both migrations and slavery (of around 20% in the case of Yemini Arabs) so today's Middle-Easterners are no longer "white" unlike their more pure Caucasian cousins like the most Druze and many Syrians, Kurds and Jews.

A helpful map of the region (excluding some Caucasians like Indids) is this one where we can see that today's Middle-East and Spain belong to a similar subrace;

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2010/47/1290903952-europe_race.jpg

So, please don't confuse the offspring of two different Caucasian branches as being mixed-race although the situation of interbreeding with darker-skinned Middle Easterners, Indians, Georgians, Armenians and Spaniards might lead you to this conclusion because the offspring might no longer be "white" i.e. Fair-Skinned they will still remain Caucasian.

*It was pointed out below that the East Africa section is unreliable as Somalis and so forth aren't Caucasian but for the purposes of the thread this map will do.

Yeah Bengal and half of India was east Asian lol.

[Anglojew]

Yeah Bengal and half of India was east Asian lol.

That's inaccurate. You're correct.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

xD xD xD Are you trying to not to feel yourself like a Mestizo? of course it is miscegenation, genetically different populations. The science dominates over Coon and his pseudoscience of the last century.

Racial complexes everywhere.

I guess that means I'm mixed race too. And probably most people in the world.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I think Jews are the same race as whites, though I'm not an expert.

I don't really believe in races to begin with, but anyways they're both Caucasoids.

Genetically, I don't think Europeans and Jews (specifically Ashkenazis) are so far apart. Ashkenazis themselves are half European.

Perhaps a Neolithic heritage unites Europeans with Levantine Jews. We're related either way, however far back you want to go. Samaritans have a lot of Neolithic DNA. The real question is if Jews should be allowed to stay in Europe. I'd much rather they have their own country. I believe every ethnic group should have their own country.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/The_High_Priest_of_the_Samaritans_with_the_Codex_N ablus_c._192.jpg

Samaritan High Priest

[StonyArabia]

My cousin is mixed with Arabian and Northwest Euro blood, she is mixed race, despite her blue eyes, light skin. Her Arabian features appear in the nose, mouth and eye shape though. She would be considered not mixed to some, but she is clearly mixed race and see herself as such. Some Caucasoid groups are very distinct from one another and can be called to be different races. She is also 2% East African.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

My cousin is mixed with Arabian and Northwest Euro blood, she is mixed race, despite her blue eyes, light skin. Her Arabian features appear in the nose, mouth and eye shape though. She would be considered not mixed to some, but she is clearly mixed race and see herself as such. Some Caucasoid groups are very distinct from one another and can be called to be different races. She is also 2% East African.

It's hard to determine.

Arabs have more non-Caucasoid blood than Jews, still, Arabs are mostly Caucasoid.