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Radojica

08-14-2009, 08:10 AM

My problem now, is which country on this planet is good enough for them? I'm not happy with anyone.

200.000 Montenegrins resident just in Belgrade, nice country you picked, or it's just "just one place on Earth is called home" :tongue

5. Beauty of the Serbian girl ;)

I would pick Spanish girl over Serbian without thinking :D...Anyway, they would not miss me, i was never getting well in relationships with Serbian girls, i have no idea why :eek:

But yes, i agree, there is just one place which i can call "home": its Serbia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

and i'll be missing Serbia if i ever decide to leave it...and i am thinking about it more and more seriously as the time passes... I love Serbia, but i love my life and my family too and by staying in Serbia i don't think i would be able to help them or me...

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Jarl

08-14-2009, 08:41 AM

...and I never touch English women, so calm down Cythraul and co, haha!

Thanks for the rep, Cyth! ;)

P.S.

Though I can't say the same about Welsh women :P

Freomæg

08-14-2009, 08:41 AM

...and I never touch English women, so calm down Cythraul and co, haha!
Yeah, keep yer filthy mits off ;)... actually, you could probably teach some of them a thing or two about Englishness!

I'm tempted to emigrate from time to time - the US or NZ usually spring to mind. Actually, I'm kind of intrigued by the Lakotah Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah). But ultimately I'll stand by my country, until it becomes unbearable to do so (more so in an Orwellian sense than in an demographic sense). What's more realistic is that I'll relocate to one of the more remote, less 'enriched' areas of England.

Jarl

08-14-2009, 08:51 AM

Yeah, keep yer filthy mits off ;)... actually, you could probably teach some of them a thing or two about Englishness!

But seriously now... nah! Im too engrossed in my studies and, being a preservationist and a Catholic, Im looking for someone of my sort ;)

I'm tempted to emigrate from time to time - the US or NZ usually spring to mind. Actually, I'm kind of intrigued by the Lakotah Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah). But ultimately I'll stand by my country, until it becomes unbearable to do so (more so in an Orwellian sense than in an demographic sense). What's more realistic is that I'll relocate to one of the more remote, less 'enriched' areas of England.

:) I guess your country needs people who think like you. I generally find working class Brits less willing to leave their country. Surprisingly, they seem more patriotic on this than their more educated countrymen.

Psychonaut

08-14-2009, 09:01 AM

Very simple question: would you emigrate?

I've thought about emigrating to the Canadian portion of Acadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadia), but, in the end, I've decided that I'm far too American to ever do anything like that.

Ariets

08-14-2009, 09:11 AM

Year ago I was living in southern England for about four months (damn, why I didn't meet Jarl there?), that was 1/3 of the year ;). Thats was more like an adventure for me, plus vacation, work, and my lost love... STRONGBOW!

Fuck yeah, I miss ciders.

So I'd rather don't have problems with short-term emigration. As for a longer one, it really depends from many factors, so Im unable to say "no". If I had "choose" country, then I'd go for Switzerland or Canada prehaps.

Anyway, they would not miss me, i was never getting well in relationships with Serbian girls, i have no idea why :eek:

Well thats not a suprise:D

Radojica

08-14-2009, 09:26 AM

Well thats not a suprise:D

uhh? how so :O?

SwordoftheVistula

08-14-2009, 09:45 AM

Yes, I have been actively looking into it, because I am stuck with $100k in school loans which can't even be discharged in bankruptcy, and the economy and job situation here is bad and could be even worse long term. Australia is at the top of my list, followed by Ireland, New Zealand, and Dubai.

Loki

08-14-2009, 09:47 AM

I have immigrated to England about 10 years ago. I'm fairly settled here now and used to the customs and people's ways. I think if I went away from England for any long period of time, I would miss it.

Would I relocate again? I'm open to the possibility. It would have to be to an English-speaking country though -- although I would consider Netherlands since I understand the language perfectly. I'm quite fond of Scandinavia, especially Sweden and Denmark. Never been to Germany so wouldn't know, but I'll probably like it.

I like American people in general -- they come across as friendly and "normal". Some of my best friends in London have been Americans who came to work here temporarily. I like Canadians too, but their accent is not as sexy as those south of the border. :D

:runs:

Freomæg

08-14-2009, 11:01 AM

Australia is at the top of my list, followed by Ireland, New Zealand, and Dubai.
Interesting. I always figured you had a fondness for England. Dubai, really? I'm not mocking that suggestion just interested as to why. I think freedom is probably most to be had in NZ, which is why I've considered it.

Allenson

08-14-2009, 01:18 PM

I would consider it, if a situation were to arise that would be of my liking. It's not high on my priority list though.

As for places that I would entertain the notion of moving to: Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island in Canada, Ireland, UK (preferably in northern England or Scotland) and maybe New Zealand (long friggin ways away).

Inese

08-14-2009, 03:32 PM

Hm we emigrated a few years past from Kuldiga in West Latvia to our extended German family and they managed a tenement building for us!! :cool: My parents had some reasons but one was that i can develop better. Germany was not total foreign to my family , you know --- my German grandfather prepared us and the language is working with strong Latvian accent :embarrassed but all can understand me and i am fluent in word and speech

I have a plan to return to Latvia later when i have a good education and job , it will give me very good advantages in Latvia when i have German diplomas and testimonials and maybe a German man!! :D lol

Beorn

08-14-2009, 03:39 PM

Would you emigrate?

No. I was born in England and I will die in England.

Tansy

08-14-2009, 04:13 PM

No, I don't think I could ever do it. I'm too attached to America and there is so much that I love about this country. That being said, under certain circumstances I might consider emigration, but my preferred choice would be another Anglo New World nation.

Manifest Destiny

08-14-2009, 04:19 PM

I would if things got really bad here in America. But for now, I prefer our political system to those found in other Western nations (gun owners' rights, less socialism, no hate-speech laws, etc.).

If language was no barrier, I'd probably go somewhere in Scandinavia. Otherwise, I'd probably go to Australia and surf all day.

Atlas

08-14-2009, 04:24 PM

I'd emigrate to America if the situation in Europe is out of control.

Aemma

08-14-2009, 04:46 PM

I've thought about emigrating to the Canadian portion of Acadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadia), but, in the end, I've decided that I'm far too American to ever do anything like that.

Ya but you're still a good old Cajun-Canuckianish American, Psy! :thumb001:
Maybe you can buy some recreational property there one day and still have the best of both worlds. :)

Skandi

08-14-2009, 08:18 PM

I want to emigrate, I actually went back to university with just that in mind. I now have enough points for NZ I just need to save up the money, oh and convince the bf if I can :)
The reason I want to go is population size, there is very little space in Britain except in Scotland, and i have been there for four years, and although I love the countryside, I like the temperature to crawl over 20 occasionally. I also have friends in NZ and a guaranteed job so anyone fancy giving me £1000 :p

Aemma

08-14-2009, 08:30 PM

Well never say never I guess....I soooooooooooooooo badly wanted to move to California when our son was just born. I just had the bug! But hubby didn't want to so well we didn't.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE my country but California has such an allure for me. Perhaps not as strong as it did before. But you know, never say never.... :)

anonymaus

08-14-2009, 08:32 PM

I would certainly "fit in" much better south of the border, but I like the challenge of living amongst so many brainwashed leftists. I'm staying put for now.

Óttar

08-15-2009, 12:49 AM

I've considered moving somewhere in the British Isles. It would be easy if it were economically feasible. My maternal side landed at Boston 400+ years ago with the original English settlers. Getting citizenship somewhere in Europe would be good as I could go anywhere (British Isles, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Spain, Italy) in the EU.

Cato

08-15-2009, 01:17 AM

The only country I've ever really given thought to moving to is China, where college-educated whites with good people skills (like myself) stand a decent chance of making a fairly good living. Chinese are easy to get along with, prefer social stability, desire to learn English, and have strong ethnic solidarity- and they look up to whites without actually looking up to them (actually it's more of a sort of admiration and fascination than anything else, I guess). In talking to Chinese, they appreciate that I've got a genuine interest in Chinese culture and history, and some have remarked that I have the makings of a good teacher, even though I've only got an undergraduate degree.

I once thought about someplace western Europe, but given that western Europe has some of the same issues that the U.S. has been having- now I'd have to say no.

If there was an actual white homeland, anywhere in the world, a place where whites and whites only lived and governed- I'd go even with the clothes on my back.

Phlegethon

08-15-2009, 01:44 AM

Emigrating? Why? Fate will always find you, as in W. Somerset Maugham's "The Appointment in Samarra".

Barreldriver

08-15-2009, 01:47 AM

I really have no intent to emigrate, however I am not opposed to traveling abroad. I would only emigrate if I absolutely had to, and that would be to England if necessary, but in accordance to normal circumstances I am content in the rural farm districts of North East Ohio and the rural farm districts of the West Central Appalachians of Tennessee.

Beorn

08-15-2009, 01:59 AM

I think I should add that I have always dreamt of retiring to Cornwall to run my own local pub, so perhaps I wasn't true to my original post.

I would only emigrate if I absolutely had to, and that would be to England if necessary

Where abouts in England?

Barreldriver

08-15-2009, 02:18 AM

I think I should add that I have always dreamt of retiring to Cornwall to run my own local pub, so perhaps I wasn't true to my original post.

Where abouts in England?

Yorkshire (I would prefer Hatfield near Doncaster, just because my family came from there), however, in relation to my lifestyle preference perhaps I would feel comfortable around the more rural areas in Winteringham, Lincolnshire, or somewhere near the Border country.

On this web page: http://www.winteringham.info/

it shows the more rural areas of Winteringham in the photo sections, and I have to say I am impressed, looks quite homey.

Basically, wherever in Winteringham this is (photos courtesy of http://www.archive.winteringham.info/Working_the_Land/working_the_land.html):

http://www.archive.winteringham.info/Working_the_Land/wtl-800w-low_res-side_shot.JPG

http://www.archive.winteringham.info/Working_the_Land/Scarecrow_-_450w_-_low_res.JPG

I'd figure if it came to emigrating, I would purchase no more than 4-5 acre and grow beans and onions, familiar crop for my family, sell what I did not eat, and teach or do graphic design for primary career. This all of course being post-college goals.

Honestly it seems to me that Winteringham, judging by photos and Google Earth, has more rural areas, and more to my liking, plus I may have cousins in Winteringham. If I were to live in Hatfield, Doncaster, I would prefer somewhere near those nice green spots near M18, M180, Thorne Rd, or near the Hatfield Woodhouse, not those grey spots near Dunscroft.

Cato

08-15-2009, 02:25 AM

A person needs to go where there aren't all of these hang-ups, so China seemed like a good choice. I don't care if the place is supposedly communist or not, which I don't really think that it is any more than China is democratic. China's government is uniquely Chinese and the Chinese have come to expect, over 4,000 years of history, to expect their leaders to meddle in their affairs and dictate what's best for them.

It's western countries that have the hang-ups, with people convinced that the individual is all-important and that race and community mean little- yet this goes on amidst the pushing, pushing, pushing of the idea that the haves (whites) to give to the have-nots (non-whites) for the sake of political solidarity or to "give them a chance" (as in the case with millions of scummy illegals from south of the border).. Any chauvinism by a white is regarded as the harbinger of the Fourth Reich and any group that is white-only is quickly accused of being Nazi-like (i.e. the BNP).

Any country that contains these elements will not be on my list of places to travel to. Sadly, almost all of these countries are white countries- so I'm left with options like this:

Staying in the U.S. and living out a life of modest obscurity, which is quite possible.

Going to a country where the talents of white people are appreciated, which is what I've been thinking about. Of course, I know a country like China isn't a utopia and that there are plenty of ant-capitalist, anti-white devil types there. I'll be damned if I set foot in the Middle East, or Africa, or south America, so it'd probably be in east Asia. Plenty of whites have done the gone to China thing, and some have actually relocated there, either going native (which isn't easy, since the Chinese have an incredibly complex mindset when you really look at their behavior patterns) or bringing there family over with them.

Psychonaut

08-15-2009, 02:34 AM

I don't care if the place is supposedly communist or not, which I don't really think that it is any more than China is democratic.

China's economy may not be strictly communist anymore (particularly in the large economic centers like Xianggang, Qingdao and Shanghai), but they are certainly one of the most rigidly authoritarian regimes around. Freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of thought? They're not to be found anywhere within the borders of the Middle Kingdom.

Cato

08-15-2009, 02:37 AM

China's economy may not be strictly communist anymore (particularly in the large economic centers like Xianggang, Qingdao and Shanghai), but they are certainly one of the most rigidly authoritarian regimes around. Freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of thought? They're not to be found anywhere within the borders of the Middle Kingdom.

China has been that way at least since Qin Shi Huang buried the Confucian scholars alive 2,200+ years ago, yet this hasn't stopped many westerners from seeking their fortunes there. People used to praise the emperor and his ministers; now it's the party chairman and the members of the supposedly communist party.

Freedom of speech and of the press never existed in the collectivist society of China. Such activities would give agitators a chance to upset one of the things the Chinese value most in the world- the harmony of society. They valued it in Confucius' time and they value it now, 2,500 years later.

Psychonaut

08-15-2009, 02:41 AM

China has been that way at least since Qin Shi Huang buried the Confucian scholars alive 2,200+ years ago, yet this hasn't stopped many westerners from seeking their fortunes there.

Temporary trips for business purposes I could see, but living there? No way. But, then again, I can't stand non-American-born Chiners.

Cato

08-15-2009, 02:42 AM

I can't stand non-American-born Chiners.

How many have you met?

Psychonaut

08-15-2009, 02:44 AM

How many have you met?

I'm a Chinese linguist by profession. I work with many Chiners, both American-born and natives.

Svarog

08-15-2009, 07:40 AM

Freomæg

08-15-2009, 11:03 AM

Arahari

08-15-2009, 11:53 AM

I think not in terms of relocating to another country but of reclaiming back the soil of our ancestors.

Jarl

08-15-2009, 12:38 PM

Each to their own, but I don't understand this urge to move to countries which don't at all reflect your ethnic identity. Sure, the western countries are under greater attack from multiculturalism, but some of them are not yet lost.

Exactly. The common reason behind permanent immigration is that people are given a chance to earn more money than they would in their homeland. The greater the difference, the more people are willing to go. It does not have to be some special "urge" or desire, but simply cold calculation. If you have no prospects whatsoever becasue you come from a deep countryside village somewhere in Poland or Lithuania, you'll take your chances in the West, whatever they are. You can be a patriot, a traditionalist, but in the end traditions will not always save you from poverty.

I think people seldom take things like cultural or ethnic similarity into consideration upon making such key decisions. I think most people don't take it into account at all. They simply go for the easiest (English-speaking country) and safest option, which offers them better prospects.

Finsterer Streiter

08-15-2009, 12:41 PM

No emigration for me. I was born German, I am German and I die German. Here´s my soil and here´s my eventual grave. Travelling the world expands your horizon but the center of the horizon is your home.

Radojica

08-15-2009, 01:48 PM

No emigration for me. I was born German, I am German and I die German. Here´s my soil and here´s my eventual grave.

Nikola Tesla was a Serb until the last nis breath, no matter he was living in New York... That does not change the things. Citizenship is nothing, just a stupid paper. you won't believe, but do you know what people are asking me the most when i say that i graduated some time ago? "When will you emigrate and where, have you think about it?" That is sick, but also our reality here...It's like Good morning neighbor, when will you emigrate"..........

Cato

08-15-2009, 02:01 PM

I'm a Chinese linguist by profession. I work with many Chiners, both American-born and natives.

Mandarin I assume, correct?

Cato

08-15-2009, 02:05 PM

That is a good choice, my brother immigrated in China and everyone made fun of him, now, he could not be any happier, both with material situation and in generally.

Given that cultural superiority has formed a part of China's mentality for ages, I highly doubt that the Chinese would take issue with a white man, like myself, who seeks to live in a more connected manner with his ancestors. Mainly, it's the modern English-speaking west that interests them- not ancient westerners who spoke Old English or Frisian or somesuch.

Vargtand

08-15-2009, 02:20 PM

Emigrate as in take permanent residence in an other country? very unlikely unless of course I had both a house here and an house somewhere else and a private jet, then naturally I have no qualms against it.

Temporarily... yeah sure could be fun, my roots are how ever here and I would make a terrible immigrant, I would not under any circumstances try and become a well adjusted native. I would always see my self as a guest and would not interween in native politics or economic questions. only reason I would emigrate and maintain it for any lenght of time would be because I could live of my own work, and not be a burden, but also that I would be invited to that country by a native person and thus if things ended with that native person I would leave, or when that person asked me to leave unless an other native wanted me around.

I take being a guest very serious.

Freomæg

08-15-2009, 02:20 PM

Nikola Tesla was a Serb until the last nis breath, no matter he was living in New York... That does not change the things. Citizenship is nothing, just a stupid paper
You're right there, BUT if we say it's ok for every white European to relocate anywhere in the world and try to uphold their ethnic identity there, then this in itself will destroy all remnants of the various European identities. America is a good example - originally I'm sure the English who colonised it planned to retain their English identity, but as America become multi-(European)-ethnic, the people there are now not usually English in their ethnic identity - or only partially so. Same with my parents. My mother relocated to England and ended up falling love with an English guy.

So I think it's very difficult to argue that you're for long-term ethnic preservation when you emigrate to a land completely unrelated to your forefathers. You might remain "Serbian" or whatever, while you're there, but what are the chances that any children you bear in that place will also be "Serbian"?

Jarl

08-15-2009, 02:30 PM

So I think it's very difficult to argue that you're for long-term ethnic preservation when you emigrate to a land completely unrelated to your forefathers. You might remain "Serbian" or whatever, while you're there, but what are the chances that any children you bear in that place will also be "Serbian"?

Slight. Very slight. Though Orthodox religion might be a positive factor. Permanent emmigration = assimilation, if not in the 1st generation, then 2nd, 3rd or subsequent, depending on how many of your fellow countrymen are in the host country. Anyway, you will not enforce your way of life on your children. The truth is they will integrate into the foreign society sooner or later, unless your ethnicity constitutes a sizeable minority there or you maintain strong links with your home country.

anonymaus

08-15-2009, 05:06 PM

I would make a terrible immigrant, I would not under any circumstances try and become a well adjusted native. I would always see my self as a guest and would not interween in native politics or economic questions.

What if the new country was the USA, where one becomes accepted as American by citizenship and is expected to be an active participant no matter how fresh off the boat one is?

I ask because most countries are not so quick at accepting immigrants into society.

Tabiti

08-15-2009, 07:27 PM

No, thanks, I won't emigrate even if an atomic bomb falls here. I was born on this land, so I'm going to left my bones here.

Radojica

08-15-2009, 07:51 PM

No, thanks, I won't emigrate even if an atomic bomb falls here. I was born on this land, so I'm going to left my bones here.

Trust me, that's only because you have so-so calm and regular life... People don't emigrate because they are selfish and want "the bread over the bread" (preko hleba pogacu, you'll better understand this way , on Serbian:P)...

Tabiti

08-15-2009, 07:55 PM

Trust me, that's only because you have so-so calm and regular life... People don't emigrate because they are selfish and want "the bread over the bread" (preko hleba pogacu, you'll better understand this way , on Serbian:P)...
Yes, I understand people who want to save their families in war times, for example. Searching for a protection and better life for your children is something normal.
Don't understand me wrong, there are moments I can't stay being on the same place anymore and when everything teases me - people, smell, air, situations... I have nothing against to live in other country, but not for whole my life, forgetting my language as it often happens with emigrants.

Radojica

08-15-2009, 07:58 PM

Yes, I understand people who want to save their families in war times, for example. Searching for a protection and better life for your children is something normal.
Don't understand me wrong, there are moments I can't stay being on the same place anymore and when everything teases me - people, smell, air, situations... I have nothing against to live in other country, but not for whole my life, forgetting my language as it often happens with emigrants.

Of course :O :O :O!! Even in case i emigrate and settle in some other country, my kids will learn Serbian and i'll teach them everything about their roots without any doubts. :thumb001:

SwordoftheVistula

08-16-2009, 06:43 AM

Interesting. I always figured you had a fondness for England.

I love visiting there, but I don't think I would want to live there in it's current status. A gun ban I can take as a prerequisite to living in an non-American white country, but a knife ban is just too much, and the self defense laws are terrible-I don't want to live in a country where daytime burglaries while the person is home are common occurrence. The high gas prices, high taxes and cost of living in general, over-PC-ness, all this would drive me nuts after a while. Also I absolutely can't stand the class system.

Dubai, really? I'm not mocking that suggestion just interested as to why.

No income tax, cheap gas, no gun laws, no political correctness. Like America used to be. The only thing I couldn't stand would be the weather, but at least everything there has air conditioning. Also the language barrier, but at least I already have the beard :thumb001:

Freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of thought? They're not to be found anywhere within the borders of the Middle Kingdom.

They're not after anything I would say though, as UK, Canada, and Europe are. China and the Middle East are just after Christians and advocates of pluralist democracy and universal suffrage, things I agree with them in my dislike of.

Beorn

08-16-2009, 06:50 AM

I don't want to live in a country where daytime burglaries while the person is home are common occurrence.

That's only if you live in an area where you make yourself a victim. I live in an area where you could end up robbed, but people are so scared of each others reputation that they don't steal amongst their own :D

The last big blow out we had was between the Godfreys and some Irish clan whose name I can't remember. It ended with the young lads topping themselves to spare the torture they would have gone through in prison.

Depending upon your area, we look after each other. :thumb001:

The high gas prices

I've got it sorted now. I only pay about £2 a week for gas and electric is £3 a week.

high taxes and cost of living in general,

Well, I can't argue in favour of that.

over-PC-ness,

I won't bother.

Also I absolutely can't stand the class system.

What do you mean?!?! It is fun to have the craic with the class system. You can even have drinking games in town by the class system :D

SwordoftheVistula

08-16-2009, 07:14 AM

Sorry, I meant high petrol prices :D

Jarl

08-16-2009, 07:43 AM

I love visiting there, but I don't think I would want to live there in it's current status. A gun ban I can take as a prerequisite to living in an non-American white country, but a knife ban is just too much, and the self defense laws are terrible-I don't want to live in a country where daytime burglaries while the person is home are common occurrence. The high gas prices, high taxes and cost of living in general, over-PC-ness, all this would drive me nuts after a while. Also I absolutely can't stand the class system.

;) The class system is a tradition... sort of. As for daytime burglaries and PC-ness, it all depends where you live. Forget about about PC-ness in small rural towns or villages. Also, South and West England is safe.

Beorn

08-16-2009, 07:46 AM

Also, South and West England is safe.

From what?

Jarl

08-16-2009, 07:53 AM

From what?

From daytime burglaries ;) Its safer than big cities in the Midlands or London. West Country is mostly rural and there's not much crime in little countryside towns.

Beorn

08-16-2009, 08:00 AM

West Country is mostly rural and there's not much crime in little countryside towns.

You seem to forget the sprawling cities like Bristol, Exeter, Weymouth, etc....each town/city registering above the national average in crime statistics.

You have to also recollect that us Westies had the exclusive record of being the car crime capital for three years running. :coffee:

I think it's the accent and rep for being "stupid" that does us bad. I still laugh at one Cockney twat hitting on my Ceallach before I just shoved in-between her and him. I will always remember what he said: "Oi, mate, you daaaan't wanna do that. I'm from Landan!"

Prick!

Many Easterners go home with a few wounds to lick when they come West. Just ask Millwall what happened to their bus emblem ;)

Jarl

08-16-2009, 08:17 AM

You seem to forget the sprawling cities like Bristol, Exeter, Weymouth, etc....each town/city registering above the national average in crime statistics.

True. I happen to know Bristol fairly well, but obviously large cities are never entirely safe. I don't think Exeter and Wymouth are considered as rough places. Never heard of any extraordinary crime rates in those Southern coastal cities.

You have to also recollect that us Westies had the exclusive record of being the car crime capital for three years running. :coffee: I think it's the accent and rep for being "stupid" that does us bad.

Stupid or not, at least the West Country farmers are true English traditionalists ;)

I still laugh at one Cockney twat hitting on my Ceallach before I just shoved in-between her and him. I will always remember what he said: "Oi, mate, you daaaan't wanna do that. I'm from Landan!"

Prick!

Isn't Ceallach a boy's name? "Landan"...LOL!

Many Easterners go home with a few wounds to lick when they come West. Just ask Millwall what happened to their bus emblem ;)

What happened?

Beorn

08-16-2009, 08:24 AM

Stupid or not, at least the West Country farmers are true English traditionalists ;)

We know the craic. :cool:

Isn't Ceallach a boy's name?

It's Irish. My partners name. (she smells of potatoes, btw)

What happened?

They came down to Bristol with their big Cockney bollocks and left in a hurry.

They ran into this lot.

http://www.bcfc3lions.co.uk/images/lions018sf3.jpg

:D

Ulf

08-16-2009, 09:55 AM

I don't think I could live out of state, let alone the country, I like PA 'Dutch' country too much.

SwordoftheVistula

08-16-2009, 12:45 PM

I don't think I could live out of state, let alone the country, I like PA 'Dutch' country too much.

Good point, what of 'intra-country' migration? A certain other forum maintains strong opinions against migration from the former DDR 'East Germany' to the parts FKA 'West Germany'.

My family were 'emigrants' from California circa 1980. I grew up in the midwest but came to the east coast due to lack of job opportunities in my 'home' state and general boringness, I have sometimes joked with New Englanders that I am an 'illegal alien from the midwest'. When I visited New Orleans and told them I was from Massachusetts, they told me 'welcome to the states' in joking fashion as if I was from a foreign country.

Are the people opposed to 'emigration' also opposed to 'intra-country' migration as well? What about migration from similar countries, from the Serb Republic (in Bosnia-Herzegovina) to Serbia proper, from Maine to Nova Scotia, from Austria to Germany, from Flanders to Holland?

Psychonaut

08-16-2009, 09:56 PM

Are the people opposed to 'emigration' also opposed to 'intra-country' migration as well?

Not at all. Florida may be my home state, but there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that I'll ever live there again. The way it's looking now I'll hopefully end up in either Maine or Vermont.

Vulpix

08-16-2009, 10:01 PM

I come from a family with the "travel bug". My grandfather lived in South Africa in the 40's for work reasons and I've got ancestors born in exotic places such as Tehran and Lebanon (without the exotic admixture ;)!).

So I think you can guess the answer to this question :tongue. I have and I would do it again.

Freomæg

08-16-2009, 10:05 PM

Are the people opposed to 'emigration' also opposed to 'intra-country' migration as well?
No. I think national borders are enough. Chances are, sufficient mixing has happened within national borders throughout the centuries that myself relocating to an opposite end of the country will have little or no effect, genetically. Culturally perhaps more so, but if I go there with the goal in mind of adopting local customs and traditions, then I see no harm done.

Bari

08-16-2009, 11:03 PM

USA. Country of opportunities.

Piparskeggr

08-16-2009, 11:24 PM

http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/us_map_geographic.png

I was born in Massachusetts and have lived in Vermont, Ohio (twice), Florida, Nebraska and am now in Illinois. I have traveled through every state east of the Rocky Mountains, except North Dakota, Montana, Idaho and New Mexico.

That's, basically, a lot of "countries" by itself.

Though, if I did have to choose a location outside the US; either New Brunswick, Canad, around St John's (distant cousins live there) or the Irish Republic (probability is good of finding family I could talk to, unlike the continental European countries from which my folk came). Besides, a member of the Dubliners said I do look like a Burke :p

SwordoftheVistula

08-17-2009, 08:14 AM

USA. Country of opportunities.

*paging ICE*

Loki

08-17-2009, 09:00 AM

USA. Country of opportunities.

Get in touch with Æmeric, he can advise on your immigration application! :thumbs up

Treffie

08-17-2009, 09:09 AM

I've always thought of emigrating, perhaps to eastern Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden or Finland, but the bond between myself and Wales would be so strong that I know that I'd get hiraeth (longing) to come back. I love my country but I dislike the way it is being run.

Spaniard_Truth

08-17-2009, 10:20 AM

Loki

08-17-2009, 10:33 AM

People who emigrate are simply selfish, and a nationalist who emigrates is a thousand times worse than a nationally disloyal non-European immigrant, simply because the former is a hypocrite.

What's funny to me, though, is that, on average, people on nationalist/racialist forums are more likely to engage in counterproductive lifestyle choices than the average European. From my experiences online, nationalists are more likely to live abroad, marry foreign, even race-mix.

Not everyone is a nationalist, though. I'm certainly not one.

Spaniard_Truth

08-17-2009, 10:54 AM

Not everyone is a nationalist, though. I'm certainly not one.

It doesn't matter. Migration affects more than just nationhood. It affects the genetic and aesthetic character of the various regions of Europe. Internal European migration and mass migration to the 'colonies', in my mind, has replaced immigration as the largest threat to Europe. The trend for the West, at least, is that quality moves out, slime moves in. And at any rate, it's unaesthetic for a me, a Spaniard, to find 1 in every 4 or 5 people I meet to be a foreigner, regardless of race.

From this thread it seems 80% of people wish to leave their lands. This is the same in the real world -- all people talk about is leaving, always for selfish reasons without a second thought of the effects on their nation if the vast majority of their countrymen also hold those same intentions (and it seems they do). Because the emigrant output of Western nations is ethnically unbalanced, the percentage of non-Europeans/peasant Europeans will increase just a jot as a result of every individual decision. The cumulative effect is dead nations. No more French. No more Germans. No more Spaniards. No more Italians.

Immigration, low birth-rates, and indigenous emigration are the three major threats to Europeans, and combined are the reason we're fated not to survive long into the next century. But the majority of people who claim to care for Europe are in fact willing to hasten its downfall.

Loki

08-17-2009, 11:07 AM

No more French. No more Germans. No more Spaniards. No more Italians.

It is an inevitability, though. The ancient Romans don't exist anymore. Nor do the ancient Hittites. Or the ancient Israelites, or Pharaoic Egyptians. If anything, modern life with fast transport and instant communication, will cause the world to change beyond recognition within the next few centuries -- at a much faster pace than the ancient civilizations collapsed. We will probably need to create new realities for ourselves; new identities.

Liffrea

08-17-2009, 11:44 AM

There are many places that I would love to visit, but I don’t think I would ever leave England, even though it’s life span is measured in decades now, and I have very little realistic optimism (even though I am very positive thinking) for it’s future. There are many reasons to emigrate, and I know many who have, but I think running away from problems here isn’t a good reason, this country is going down hill fast but if you don’t make the effort to make something better where you live now what makes you think you will be any different when things get tough in your new homeland?

Cato

08-17-2009, 02:15 PM

the 'whiteness' of many 'White Americans' is already questionable.

On what basis do you make such a sweeping generalization? I could say the same thing about Spain given its centuries of occupation by the Muslims.

Spaniard_Truth

08-17-2009, 02:29 PM

On what basis do you make such a sweeping generalization? I could say the same thing about Spain given its centuries of occupation by the Muslims.

It wasn't a generalisation. If it were, I'd have said "all", rather than "many". Many Americans have Amerindian and Jewish ancestry.

Radojica

08-17-2009, 02:32 PM

People who emigrate are simply selfish, and a nationalist who emigrates is a thousand times worse than a nationally disloyal non-European immigrant, simply because the former is a hypocrite. Not only does the emigrant reduce the indigenous population count of the land he claims to love, but also consigns his genetic legacy to a foreign land. Not only that, but he contributes to the further mongrelisation of the new land that has embraced him.

Everyone who resides in a land not of their ancestors is contributing to the multiculturalisation of Europe. Brits to Spain, Poles to Britain, Gypsies to Poland -- Europe is becoming a hybridised mess.

What's funny to me, though, is that, on average, people on nationalist/racialist forums are more likely to engage in counterproductive lifestyle choices than the average European. From my experiences online, nationalists are more likely to live abroad, marry foreign, even race-mix.

Moving to America is also a joke. The continent is lost. All European genes relocated to the USA now are completely wasted, considering the whites there will be ta minority shortly, if not already (US classifications are inaccurate), and the 'whiteness' of many 'White Americans' is already questionable.

Tell me something, would you rather stay in your country and sink together with it, or you would rather try to go abroad, earn some money and in a couple of years go back with it and try to do something with yo help the economy of your country? I don't think that emigration for economical reasons is bad at all, i rather consider it very helpful for the country where you were born. Of course, i am talking here about emigration on low scale, not emigration en masse to some foreign country, like it is the case with African and Middle East emigrants.

Jarl

08-17-2009, 02:48 PM

People who emigrate are simply selfish,

All of them? Just like that? Per se? So from now on, everyone sticks to their own garden, because any form of emigration is evil per se, if I understood correctly... right?

and a nationalist who emigrates is a thousand times worse than a nationally disloyal non-European immigrant, simply because the former is a hypocrite. Not only does the emigrant reduce the indigenous population count of the land he claims to love, but also consigns his genetic legacy to a foreign land. Not only that, but he contributes to the further mongrelisation of the new land that has embraced him.

Definitely some poeple who emigrate are egoists. Some people who emigrate do all these things you mentioned purposefully. Yet some is not the same as all. Not all immigrants are planning to stay permanently or "consign their genetic legacy" etc. Besides, there needs to ba a fine balance between individual freedom and collective welfare. On one hand you can ban all sort of immigration. Simply ban foreigners from enetring you country... which is unrealistic and simply not feasible. On another, you can let as many immigrants in as possible, no matter what's their ethnic background, race, religion and so on. Both solutions are extreme and harmful.

Everyone who resides in a land not of their ancestors is contributing to the multiculturalisation of Europe. Brits to Spain, Poles to Britain, Gypsies to Poland -- Europe is becoming a hybridised mess.

I do not quite get you. Are you literally talking that "EVERYONE who resides....". or are we talking about the scale of eventual emi/immigration and its effects? Europe has always been multiculturral to an extent. There have always been Frenchmen in Britain, Poles in Germany, Germans in Poland, Spaniards in Italy and so on... since Medieval Ages.

What's funny to me, though, is that, on average, people on nationalist/racialist forums are more likely to engage in counterproductive lifestyle choices than the average European. From my experiences online, nationalists are more likely to live abroad, marry foreign, even race-mix.

If you say so. Personally, I never really posted on nationalist forums. Apart perhaps from the 2 or 3 posts I wrote on Stirpes... Anyway, here you definitely won't find many such persons.

Moving to America is also a joke. The continent is lost. All European genes relocated to the USA now are completely wasted, considering the whites there will be ta minority shortly, if not already (US classifications are inaccurate), and the 'whiteness' of many 'White Americans' is already questionable.

Genes lost and wasted? Bizzare statement... Using similar logic half of European genes, including Spanish, are already lost and wasted.

Spaniard_Truth

08-17-2009, 02:56 PM

Tell me something, would you rather stay in your country and sink together with it, or you would rather try to go abroad, earn some money and in a couple of years go back with it and try to do something with yo help the economy of your country? I don't think that emigration for economical reasons is bad at all, i rather consider it very helpful for the country where you were born. Of course, i am talking here about emigration on low scale, not emigration en masse to some foreign country, like it is the case with African and Middle East emigrants.

Well, I was talking about permanent migration. My country is sinking for reasons that can't be remedied economically. However, if someone, hypothetically, left his homeland for a period of years, but ultimately returned and raised a family in his nation of birth and ancestry, I'd have zero problem with that.

Poland is a country that could possibly benefit from large-scale temporary emigration, economically speaking. But it also risks losing a large portion of its young population permanently. It's a gamble, because plans change. People leave for what they think will be a year, but they get a good job, one year turns to two etc. and eventually they marry a native of their host country and settle there.

In individual cases, I don't actually care much. It's just that the sheer scale of intra-European migration is too much. It erases identity and generally just fans the flames of modern multiculturalism.

Jarl

08-17-2009, 03:04 PM

Well, I was talking about permanent migration. My country is sinking for reasons that can't be remedied economically. However, if someone, hypothetically, left his homeland for a period of years, but ultimately returned and raised a family in his nation of birth and ancestry, I'd have zero problem with that.

Poland is a country that could possibly benefit from large-scale temporary emigration, economically speaking. But it also risks losing a large portion of its young population permanently. It's a gamble, because plans change. People leave for what they think will be a year, but they get a good job, one year turns to two etc. and eventually they marry a native of their host country and settle there.

In individual cases, I don't actually care much. It's just that the sheer scale of intra-European migration is too much. It erases identity and generally just fans the flames of modern multiculturalism.

Right. Thanks for clarification. Definitely I agree that permanent emigration is most harmful as it usually ends up in gradual assimilation. As for East Europe losing young blood - here again I canno't but agree. This situation would not have happened if not for the political system which allowed it. Intra-European migrations don't have to be harmful. You can't stop them unless you want to create a totalitarian regime. The real problem is the ridiculous volume of the current migrations. These migrations are out of control, now once we're all part of EU. And that is the issue - in keeping a sensible balance. Currently, all that matters are short-term financial profits. That's why EU is not interested in managing these vast masses of people in some controllable manner.

Radojica

08-17-2009, 08:34 PM

In individual cases, I don't actually care much.

Cool, see ya in the close future :thumbs up :D

Ariets

08-18-2009, 10:17 AM

Poland is a country that could possibly benefit from large-scale temporary emigration, economically speaking. But it also risks losing a large portion of its young population permanently. It's a gamble, because plans change.At least we don't hear here on the streets anymore so much of "kurwa":D, lol.

Jarl

08-18-2009, 10:32 AM

At least we don't hear here on the streets anymore so much of "kurwa":D, lol.

Though there is unproportionately more people from small towns and villages who emigrate from Poland.

Spaniard_Truth

08-18-2009, 02:57 PM

Genes lost and wasted? Bizzare statement... Using similar logic half of European genes, including Spanish, are already lost and wasted.

Absolutely. In a century or so, all those genes will be mixed with 'Mexican' and African genes. So, yeah, wasted. All the Spanish genes in the Americas are wasted too, because Mestizos have no value to me. They're worthless now, and therefore wasted.

European genes in Australia aren't wasted, IMO, because at least for now the future of that genepool is relatively secure. I don't get why an Anglo would choose to emigrate to America over Australia.

Jarl

08-18-2009, 07:29 PM

Absolutely. In a century or so, all those genes will be mixed with 'Mexican' and African genes.

That's a very apocalyptic view. Lets hope it will be different.

Óttar

08-18-2009, 08:16 PM

Not at all. Florida may be my home state, but there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that I'll ever live there again.
I was born in Florida and I feel the same way.

Amarantine

08-19-2009, 12:45 PM

That's a very apocalyptic view. Lets hope it will be different.

genetic preservation is very serious and the most hardest thing ever!

If you seriously want to keep your genetic stock, you should use past Montenegrin way of strict control of marriages (not some "loving", "emotions", etc, but in advanced agreable marriage between the parents).

But again before that, are you ready and is it possibile at all in USA or WE to check it in details familly trees ? Health history of certain familly, etc etc

And all above, is it possibile in modern times? Do you have enough strenght to limited your own kids on their own choices?

Octothorpe

08-19-2009, 02:04 PM

There's no place on this globe that has the opportunities that existed a century ago when so many millions left Europe and headed for the States. I'd say yes, conditionally, if you were talking about off-world migration. Luna City, here we come! Maybe Heinlein Town on Mars, or Clarke Settlement on Titan. *sigh* Too much spec-fic as a child? :rolleyes:

Jarl

08-19-2009, 05:14 PM

genetic preservation is very serious and the most hardest thing ever!

If you seriously want to keep your genetic stock, you should use past Montenegrin way of strict control of marriages

(...) And all above, is it possibile in modern times? Do you have enough strenght to limited your own kids on their own choices?

Teach me that way... and we'll see about the rest ;)

Loyalist

08-19-2009, 05:35 PM

Possibly, as I'm fast becoming fed up with the socialist, welfare state feeling that seems to be permeating every level of Canadian society more and more. That, and the rampant multiculturalism/multiracialism being forced down everyone's throats, with draconian hate laws designed to silence any dissent. Every other socially liberal attitude, including everything from homosexuals to drug legalisation, is also on the table. I might have a different attitude if there was any hope of these trends being reversed, but there isn't. The establishment has conveyed the idea that one isn't a Canadian unless one is also politically left-wing. The brain-dead masses have bought right into it. There's usually a Liberal government in power; right now the Conservatives hold a minority government, but now matter how well they manage the country (and they're managing very well, particularly on the economy), the public won't give them the votes for a majority. That's what gets to me about the people of this country; they don't care about the vital, big issues like the economy, national security, healthcare, etc. Instead, they vote based on a love for gay marriage, marijuana legalisation, secularism, unrestricted immigration, etc., even if the party which brings the latter also sends the country down the toilet on other issues.

Taking the above into consideration, I'm not sure I can remain in this country indefinitely. It's become a nightmare, not the country my Colonial ancestors fought to create. If I emigrate, it will be to either the United Kingdom (and before someone jumps in with a "it's no better...", I've spent enough time there to know there are still the right mechanisms for change) due to ancestral connections and family still living there, or the United States. The latter still safeguards personal freedoms, the right to free speech, and other key elements which are now a thing of the past here. It would have to be a solid Republican state, so Texas isn't looking too bad right now. Property prices I've checked out (in white neighbourhoods) seems fairly reasonable as well.

Treffie

08-20-2009, 11:44 AM

Taking the above into consideration, I'm not sure I can remain in this country indefinitely. It's become a nightmare, not the country my Colonial ancestors fought to create. If I emigrate, it will be to either the United Kingdom (and before someone jumps in with a "it's no better...", I've spent enough time there to know there are still the right mechanisms for change) due to ancestral connections and family still living there, or the United States. The latter still safeguards personal freedoms, the right to free speech, and other key elements which are now a thing of the past here. It would have to be a solid Republican state, so Texas isn't looking too bad right now. Property prices I've checked out (in white neighbourhoods) seems fairly reasonable as well.

It's no better, honestly! :D What makes you think it is?

sturmwalkure

08-20-2009, 05:31 PM

I'd consider emigrating to Italy or Austria. Not sure where I'll end up though. Italy looks the most likely. It's half of my ancestral heritage. :) I've been there and loved it. I wouldn't mind living the rest of my life there and Austria would be right across the border.

Loki

08-20-2009, 06:08 PM

Amarantine

08-21-2009, 06:55 AM

In a choice between those two, I can't see why anyone would pick Austria over Italy. ;)

Me!

Ariets

08-21-2009, 09:51 AM

In a choice between those two, I can't see why anyone would pick Austria over Italy. ;)
Joseph Fritzl would think twice...:D

NSFreja

08-21-2009, 10:25 AM

In a choice between those two, I can't see why anyone would pick Austria over Italy. ;)
Hehehe, here is one more that would pick Österreich over Italy ;)

Amarantine

08-21-2009, 10:32 AM

Joseph Fritzl would think twice...:D

Who is that man?

Luern

08-21-2009, 10:35 AM

Latvia.
Latvians seem to be a good-natured, intelligent and well educated people from what I've seen here.

Ariets

08-21-2009, 10:49 AM

Who is that man?Happy husband, loved father...
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/josef-fritzl-sunbathing.jpg

Amarantine

08-21-2009, 10:51 AM

Happy husband, loved father...
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/josef-fritzl-sunbathing.jpg

Oh God, I know him from the news...bljak disgusting:thumb down2

But not fair to entire Austria compare with that monster (or some other).

Ariets

08-21-2009, 10:53 AM

Oh God, I know him from the news...bljak disgusting:thumb down2

But not fair to entire Austria compare with that monster (or some other).
Not fair? All shit like that comes from Austria :D It wasn't first time...

Amarantine

08-21-2009, 10:55 AM

Not fair? All shit like that comes from Austria :D It wasn't first time...

I know it is not the first time:D But, come on ...

Germanicus

08-21-2009, 08:09 PM

Mrs Germanicus wants to live in America. I on the other hand would like to live on the Isle of Ibiza.
We both have visited The United States, i have read about the beauty, and space of Oregon.
If i decided with her to live in America that is where i would retire to.
But saying that she would have to have me in an unbreakable arm lock behing my back for a good while before i'd agreed to her choice.:)

Inese

08-22-2009, 01:28 AM

Latvia.
Latvians seem to be a good-natured, intelligent and well educated people from what I've seen here.

Hello you!! :wink When you was in Latvia and where??? Glad you like my country but we have some problems.

Mesrine

08-22-2009, 01:29 AM

Nope, I'm fine where I am (Paris).

NSFreja

08-22-2009, 03:13 PM

Very simple question: would you emigrate?
Yes i will, in couple of years, i will get away from this sinking ship (Sweden) and move to my loved one... :)

Jarl

08-22-2009, 03:21 PM

Yes i will, in couple of years, i will get away from this sinking ship (Sweden) and move to my loved one... :)

Which is....?

NSFreja

08-22-2009, 03:34 PM

Which is....?
I wont tell ya...lol...but atleast, i will stay in Scandinavia...

If that would change in anyway (but i doubt it will), then it will be either Germany or Austria.

Brännvin

08-22-2009, 03:38 PM

No I would not. ;) I love my country but I hate the way it is being run, being from the extreme south corner in some way I already live between Sweden and Denmark, most of my time.

Moreover, I love to travel and experience different cultures but no reason to leave my country.

Elveon

08-22-2009, 03:43 PM

Yes we would

Moving in Flanders, when we are at retirement

http://genealain.free.fr/FLANDRES.gif

Spaniard_Truth

08-22-2009, 03:45 PM

Yes i will, in couple of years, i will get away from this sinking ship (Sweden) and move to my loved one... :)

If that would change in anyway (but i doubt it will), then it will be either Germany or Austria.

Is either Germany or Austria not a sinking ship?

Loki

08-22-2009, 03:57 PM

Is either Germany or Austria not a sinking ship?

In the case of Austria, I would have to conclude that the ship never left the harbour. :wink

http://www.dailycomedy.com/images/jokes/b/adolf-hitler.jpg

http://whitewatch.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/aleqm5ia7r7jicy_nhwq-cskjhzjxa2qaw.jpg

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/josef-fritzl-sunbathing.jpg

NSFreja

08-22-2009, 04:10 PM

In the case of Austria, I would have to conclude that the ship never left the harbour. :wink
Well, you don't have a clue how it is living here, and also, when i retire, i would manage to survive better in those 2 countries than in Sweden.
Our pension-system makes it hard for a woman (that have given birth to the country's future and stayed home taking care of the family) to survive without social welfare...or a rich husband.
And i k now this for a fact after seeing my grandmother, trying to survive with less than 400 euros/month! and if everything continues like it do, i will have to survive on 600-650 euros + welfare the day i retire, just because i stayed home for over 18 years and cared for my family.

http://www.dailycomedy.com/images/jokes/b/adolf-hitler.jpg
Too bad he didn't manage to save Europe ;)

http://whitewatch.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/aleqm5ia7r7jicy_nhwq-cskjhzjxa2qaw.jpg
Jörg Heider, he died too early too ;)

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/josef-fritzl-sunbathing.jpg
Not only Austria have ppl like Joseph Fritz, they are everywhere and you know it...

Loki

08-22-2009, 04:17 PM

Well, you don't have a clue how it is living here, and also, when i retire, i would manage to survive better in those 2 countries than in Sweden.
Our pension-system makes it hard for a woman (that have given birth to the country's future and stayed home taking care of the family) to survive without social welfare...or a rich husband.
And i k now this for a fact after seeing my grandmother, trying to survive with less than 400 euros/month! and if everything continues like it do, i will have to survive on 600-650 euros + welfare the day i retire, just because i stayed home for over 18 years and cared for my family.

Is it better in Austria?

Too bad he didn't manage to save Europe ;)

Hitler save Europe? That's like expecting a Ferrari to teach a Fiat how to obey the speed limit. :eek:

Jörg Heider, he died too early too ;)

Yes, I feel sorry for the boyfriend he left behind. :(

Not only Austria have ppl like Joseph Fritz, they are everywhere and you know it...

Probably, I added it for good measure. :wink

Hrolf Kraki

08-22-2009, 04:22 PM

Hell yes I´d emigrate. America sucks. Everyone is so uptight about everything!

Atlas

08-22-2009, 04:28 PM

Ottar and Psychonaut : What is so wrong about Florida ? There's not only Miami and it's cubans and haitians masses.

NSFreja

08-22-2009, 04:31 PM

Is it better in Austria?
Everything is cheaper there than in Sweden...

Brännvin

08-22-2009, 05:38 PM

NSFreja;

A majority of Danes would prefer to live in Sweden if citizens in the Nordic countries would choose another Nordic neighbor to live in than their own. ;)

Sverige populärt bland danskarna (http://svt.se/2.22620/1.1513512/har_alltid_kant_oss_valkomna)

Psychonaut

08-22-2009, 11:06 PM

Ottar and Psychonaut : What is so wrong about Florida ? There's not only Miami and it's cubans and haitians masses.

It's just too damn hot for me. I can't stand that kind of heat. I always hated it growing up and vowed that I'd move somewhere with a nicer climate.

Cello

08-23-2009, 08:32 PM

I don't have any realistic plans to leave Austria, no. I and my family are alright here. But I am not against emigration as an idea.

People who emigrate are simply selfish, and a nationalist who emigrates is a thousand times worse than a nationally disloyal non-European immigrant, simply because the former is a hypocrite. Not only does the emigrant reduce the indigenous population count of the land he claims to love, but also consigns his genetic legacy to a foreign land. Not only that, but he contributes to the further mongrelisation of the new land that has embraced him.

Everyone who resides in a land not of their ancestors is contributing to the multiculturalisation of Europe. Brits to Spain, Poles to Britain, Gypsies to Poland -- Europe is becoming a hybridised mess.

What's funny to me, though, is that, on average, people on nationalist/racialist forums are more likely to engage in counterproductive lifestyle choices than the average European. From my experiences online, nationalists are more likely to live abroad, marry foreign, even race-mix.

Moving to America is also a joke. The continent is lost. All European genes relocated to the USA now are completely wasted, considering the whites there will be ta minority shortly, if not already (US classifications are inaccurate), and the 'whiteness' of many 'White Americans' is already questionable.
But the truth is Europe is a melange of various ethnicities. Just in my country, there are many Serbs, Croatians, Romanians, Hungarians, Germans,,, What's wrong with that? Austria was Celtic once, then the Germanics came, and the Slavs and Romans... Who is it that has more right to be here? I understand the dislike to Gypsies, although it's more about the behaviour in my opinion than racial character. But why other Europeans? There was always emigration and there will always be. Asking people to not care for better future for their families is unreal. The only problem is if they don't integrate in my opinion. Who wants to live in Austria for permanent time should learn to speak German,

Germanicus

08-23-2009, 10:19 PM

As i have already posted, Mrs Germanicus would love to leave old Blighty, on retireing who knows what we may do.
Mrs Germanicus can already speak American, alas i cannot.....;)

Absinthe

08-23-2009, 10:24 PM

Poltergeist

08-23-2009, 11:12 PM

Loyalist

08-23-2009, 11:24 PM

I would emigrate in a heartbeat if given a chance, anywhere away from this place, at least for a while if it helps me to clear my head.

Because I can't stand the mentality and basically anything about the modern inhabitants of this land -

- just as there are "financial" immigrants and asylum seekers,

I would call myself a "sociocultural" immigrant and "serenity" seeker. ;)

Come over here; outside of major cities like Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, as well as industrial cities (like mine), non-Europeans are fairly rare, and the low population density takes away the crowded sense you get in Athens. There's a sizeable Greek community here in Ontario, and, as I find them to be the only honest (and thus desirable) Mediterraneans, more are always welcome. :thumb001:

ikki

08-23-2009, 11:41 PM

What is it that bothers you most in Greece?

She posted some pics from "around home"... :(

Absinthe

08-24-2009, 12:31 AM

What is it that bothers you most in Greece?
Basically the chaos, the disorder, the misery, the dishonesty, the jungle situation, the "you never know what's coming to you next" feeling.

I only expect Phleg to immediately grasp the meaning of what I'm saying and put it in a nutshell for me if he is kind enough to do that ;)

Nodens

08-24-2009, 02:29 AM

It is an inevitability, though. The ancient Romans don't exist anymore. Nor do the ancient Hittites. Or the ancient Israelites, or Pharaoic Egyptians. If anything, modern life with fast transport and instant communication, will cause the world to change beyond recognition within the next few centuries -- at a much faster pace than the ancient civilizations collapsed. We will probably need to create new realities for ourselves; new identities.

Failure to recognize this fact is possibly the single greatest threat to the survival of Greater European civilization.

Amarantine

08-24-2009, 07:10 AM

I Who wants to live in Austria for permanent time should learn to speak German,

From my experience, Serbo-Croatian is more then enough in Austria:D

Spaniard_Truth

08-24-2009, 11:45 AM

I don't have any realistic plans to leave Austria, no. I and my family are alright here. But I am not against emigration as an idea.

But the truth is Europe is a melange of various ethnicities. Just in my country, there are many Serbs, Croatians, Romanians, Hungarians, Germans,,, What's wrong with that? Austria was Celtic once, then the Germanics came, and the Slavs and Romans... Who is it that has more right to be here? I understand the dislike to Gypsies, although it's more about the behaviour in my opinion than racial character. But why other Europeans? There was always emigration and there will always be. Asking people to not care for better future for their families is unreal. The only problem is if they don't integrate in my opinion. Who wants to live in Austria for permanent time should learn to speak German,

Austria isn't Spain. There is no real Austrian ethnicity, therefore nothing to protect. Spaniards are currently how I want them racially and aesthetically. I don't want Eastern Mongoloid influence, Portuguese Negroid, Gypsy Dravidid. I don't even want southern Spaniards to migrate north. There are no pros and a multitude of cons.

Also, I don't see how Eastern Europe unloading half of its population on Western Europe is beneficial to the latter, considering the negligible quality of Eastern genes (varies greatly, Poles and Czechs top, Albanians bottom) or for the former, losing half its workforce and importing grease from elsewhere (outside Europe).

Change for the sake of change is pointless. If the Spanish gene pool must change, we must let it change for good reason with a clear direction guiding who we want and why, not just accepting the medley of crap we currently do.

Radojica

08-24-2009, 11:18 PM

SwordoftheVistula

08-25-2009, 02:44 AM

There is no real Austrian ethnicity

It's the German ethnicity, Austria was one of a number of German states such as Prussia and Saxony. Eventually the other states unified into modern 'Germany' with only Austria staying out because by that time they had built up the Austro-Hungarian Empire'

Loki

08-25-2009, 09:31 PM

Cuba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba) :thumbs up

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Cayol3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Nebel_im_Valle_des_Vinales%2C_Kuba.jpg/800px-Nebel_im_Valle_des_Vinales%2C_Kuba.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-L0614-040%2C_Berlin%2C_Fidel_Castro_an_der_Grenze.jpg/601px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-L0614-040%2C_Berlin%2C_Fidel_Castro_an_der_Grenze.jpg

ikki

08-28-2009, 01:42 PM

Loki

08-28-2009, 02:00 PM

But cuba also has that 300:1 currency fraud. With the end result of being either a criminal or everything costing the same as in usa.
Or as a immigrant, be prohibited from owning any other currency than the natives pesos.

Enforced povert either way, and rising above by any means being criminal.

It has deteriorated in the past decades, sadly. In the '50s Cuba's economy was advanced even by European standards, and wages among the highest in the world.

The loss of Soviet subsidies, along with mismanagement, can be blamed.

Amapola

08-28-2009, 02:47 PM

Austria isn't Spain. There is no real Austrian ethnicity, therefore nothing to protect. Spaniards are currently how I want them racially and aesthetically. I don't want Eastern Mongoloid influence, Portuguese Negroid, Gypsy Dravidid. I don't even want southern Spaniards to migrate north. There are no pros and a multitude of cons.

Also, I don't see how Eastern Europe unloading half of its population on Western Europe is beneficial to the latter, considering the negligible quality of Eastern genes (varies greatly, Poles and Czechs top, Albanians bottom) or for the former, losing half its workforce and importing grease from elsewhere (outside Europe).

Change for the sake of change is pointless. If the Spanish gene pool must change, we must let it change for good reason with a clear direction guiding who we want and why, not just accepting the medley of crap we currently do.

Most of them would be coming back where they belong. :p
I would be OK with me to emigrate but surely not just anywhere, my mediocre English language skills are an adventage for me to pick the British Isles or Ireland over any other country of Europe.Also I have been living in Wales and I absolutely love it, isn't it, Arawn? I am taking up German in September too. The question would not be whether to emigrate or not rather than to know how long I would last in case I did. I think I can totally cope anyway.

Murphy

08-28-2009, 02:50 PM

AustrSpaniards are currently how I want them racially and aesthetically. I don't want Eastern Mongoloid influence, Portuguese Negroid, Gypsy Dravidid. I don't even want southern Spaniards to migrate north. There are no pros and a multitude of cons.

I am so glad that there are fine Spaniards on the internet who don't buy into that bull shit of Arthur Kemps'.

No regards,
Eóin.

Loki

08-28-2009, 02:52 PM

I am so glad that there are fine Spaniards on the internet who don't buy into that bull shit of Arthur Kemps'.

Do you know of any Spaniards who do?

Murphy

08-28-2009, 02:55 PM

Do you know of any Spaniards who do?

It seems I've found one.

Regards,
Eóin.

Psychonaut

08-28-2009, 10:15 PM

It has deteriorated in the past decades, sadly. In the '50s Cuba's economy was advanced even by European standards, and wages among the highest in the world.

The loss of Soviet subsidies, along with mismanagement, can be blamed.

You just said it, the Cuban economy was never strong enough to support a high standard of living. It was only able to provide such by being artificially augmented by a superpower, just like Puerto Rico.

Goidelic

08-28-2009, 10:24 PM

If I had to emigrate out of the U.S. I'd probably pick the British Isles or Australia.

SwordoftheVistula

08-29-2009, 04:34 AM

In the '50s Cuba's economy was advanced even by European standards, and wages among the highest in the world.

Guess that new system they implemented in 1959 didn't work out so well for them.

Falkata

08-29-2009, 05:14 AM

I am so glad that there are fine Spaniards on the internet who don't buy into that bull shit of Arthur Kemps'.

No regards,
Eóin.

Totally off topic but this is how the super-nordic Arthur Kemp looks

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P_L02XxLyWQ/R46wn_0DReI/AAAAAAAAAtg/ds44RvAzP9I/s400/lancestewart%2Band%2Barthur%2Bkemp.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eZy7ckbzk28/R6p1NjcpdmI/AAAAAAAAAHU/rFr2MrMQsOQ/s400/arthur.JPG

Slightly different from

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mg7D3kYysfw/RqiogYMABXI/AAAAAAAACnA/wStyTfpCC_4/s400/180px-Nordic_race.jpg

FAIL :eek:

You fail Arthur lol

Damião de Góis

08-29-2009, 02:47 PM

Svarog

09-02-2009, 06:06 AM

You're right there, BUT if we say it's ok for every white European to relocate anywhere in the world and try to uphold their ethnic identity there, then this in itself will destroy all remnants of the various European identities. America is a good example - originally I'm sure the English who colonised it planned to retain their English identity, but as America become multi-(European)-ethnic, the people there are now not usually English in their ethnic identity - or only partially so. Same with my parents. My mother relocated to England and ended up falling love with an English guy.

So I think it's very difficult to argue that you're for long-term ethnic preservation when you emigrate to a land completely unrelated to your forefathers. You might remain "Serbian" or whatever, while you're there, but what are the chances that any children you bear in that place will also be "Serbian"?

They probably won't at all, tho, Serbian nationalist prefer use of a word Serb instead a Serbian :D

Serb is a Serb, of both Serbian mother and a father, Serbian can be a Chinese with Serbian citizenship (OR maybe a citizen of South Serbia), not a total offtopic regarding to the immigration subject

Poltergeist

09-02-2009, 07:49 AM

Arthur Kemp is cool.

SwordoftheVistula

09-02-2009, 08:01 AM

Totally off topic but this is how the super-nordic Arthur Kemp looks

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P_L02XxLyWQ/R46wn_0DReI/AAAAAAAAAtg/ds44RvAzP9I/s400/lancestewart%2Band%2Barthur%2Bkemp.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eZy7ckbzk28/R6p1NjcpdmI/AAAAAAAAAHU/rFr2MrMQsOQ/s400/arthur.JPG

Slightly different from

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mg7D3kYysfw/RqiogYMABXI/AAAAAAAACnA/wStyTfpCC_4/s400/180px-Nordic_race.jpg

FAIL :eek:

You fail Arthur lol

Those are bad pics. In real life he looks like a typical person from around where I grew up, which is to say a typical German(ic) person

Poltergeist

09-02-2009, 08:05 AM

no, I wouldn't.

I travel pretty much because of my job anyway.

Falkata

09-02-2009, 08:10 AM

Those are bad pics. In real life he looks like a typical person from around where I grew up, which is to say a typical German(ic) person

The first pic is a frontal shot and he has a neutral expression, i dont know how is that a bad pic for classification ?¿

I dont know where you grew up, but if you pretend to wank yourself with the master nordic race and blame against the mediterraneans calling them moors, mulattos...at least you should look nordic if you don´t want to be extremely pathetic. Because certainly the man looks more italian than scandinavian.

http://www.britishpride.org/arthur.gif

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tGcFUPGpPP4/0.jpg

If i saw him in the street i would think he is any random spanish man.

Phlegethon

09-02-2009, 10:08 AM

Hey, Hitler and Himmler did not look Nordic in any way, either! ;)

Loki

09-02-2009, 10:15 AM

http://www.britishpride.org/arthur.gif

Reminds me a bit of Udo Kier, German actor:

http://www.baybul.com/resimler/Resim-190309-1115/3786-udo+kier-1.jpg

Falkata

09-02-2009, 10:20 AM

Reminds me a bit of Udo Kier, German actor:

http://www.baybul.com/resimler/Resim-190309-1115/3786-udo+kier-1.jpg

Yeah, because that actor is not nordic neither. Nordics in Germany are very overrated and the opposite happens in France, we ´ve already discused this in other forum :D

Kemp looks much more like the Italian med-alpine Berlusconi

http://www.dentrotele.com/wp-content/2008/07/berlusconi11.jpg

than like Swedish Hallstatt nordic Von Sydow

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/europethread/0%20nordicthread/ourexamples/tn2_max_von_sydow_2.jpg

But he believes he is like the second, which is sad and weird. Appart from it, he should study history because his awful book has thousands of mistakes

I would like that Kemp could explain me also the big difference between a true white like him and a mulatto-moor southern portuguese like Alex Delarge

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=91046#post91046

Loki

09-02-2009, 10:21 AM

Yeah, because that actor is not nordic neither. Nordics in Germany are very overrated and the opposite happens in France, we ´ve already discused this in other forum :D

Who said he was Nordic? Metrically Nordic people are rare everywhere outside of Scandinavia.

Lutiferre

09-02-2009, 07:05 PM

Who said he was Nordic? Metrically Nordic people are rare everywhere outside of Scandinavia.
They are rare even here, but maybe not in Sweden, where the master race resides ^^

Loki

09-02-2009, 07:18 PM

They are rare even here, but maybe not in Sweden, where the master race resides ^^

Well I've been to Denmark, and I thought Nordic-looking people were very common there. Even in Copenhagen. You yourself are not an ethnic Dane, though?

Lutiferre

09-02-2009, 07:22 PM

Well I've been to Denmark, and I thought Nordic-looking people were very common there. Even in Copenhagen. You yourself are not an ethnic Dane, though?
Yes, I am a Dane. Sure, we are "nordic" looking. But what does nordic looking mean exactly? I meant "nordic" as in the long-faced "nordid" type.

Loki

09-02-2009, 07:25 PM

Yes, I am a Dane. Sure, we are "nordic" looking. But what does nordic looking mean exactly? I meant "nordic" as in the long-faced "nordid" type.

I personally think anthropologists are too hung up about perfectly specified metric types. In the real world, people are imperfect. Not even Nordics are perfect, you get all sorts of variation within the same gene pool and among the same families. Having said that, Scandinavians are rather homogenous in comparison with the rest of Europe.

Liffrea

09-02-2009, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Falkata
Totally off topic but this is how the super-nordic Arthur Kemp looks

Hmmm.

I have Kemp’s book, which to be honest I found pretty poor, but I have also heard him speak, he came to Derby around April/May this year and I thought he was a good public speaker.

Lutiferre

09-02-2009, 07:27 PM

I personally think anthropologists are too hung up about perfectly specified metric types. In the real world, people are imperfect. Not even Nordics are perfect, you get all sorts of variation within the same gene pool and among the same families. Having said that, Scandinavians are rather homogenous in comparison with the rest of Europe.
Sure. But from my experience, by far most Danes are of a rather robust type, rather than a gracile "Nordid" one.

Absinthe

09-02-2009, 07:27 PM

Borreby?

Lutiferre

09-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Borreby?
Among others, yes. But that's not the only. People are mostly intermediate between gracile and cro-magnoid types, and if not that then usually robust.

Atlas

09-02-2009, 07:31 PM

I personally think anthropologists are too hung up about perfectly specified metric types. In the real world, people are imperfect. Not even Nordics are perfect, you get all sorts of variation within the same gene pool and among the same families. Having said that, Scandinavians are rather homogenous in comparison with the rest of Europe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/DonSalluzt/Russe.jpg

Don't you find her close to perfect nordic ?

Loki

09-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Sure. But from my experience, by far most Danes are of a rather robust type, rather than a gracile "Nordid" one.

Yes I see your point.

Lutiferre

09-02-2009, 07:32 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/DonSalluzt/Russe.jpg

Don't you find her close to perfect nordic ?

She is Russian/Slavic.

Loki

09-02-2009, 07:32 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/DonSalluzt/Russe.jpg

Don't you find her close to perfect nordic ?

No. Nobody's perfect, not even her. And I've seen better, by the way. In Copenhagen. ;)

Tabiti

09-02-2009, 07:32 PM

^ with dyed hair and tan she could easily pass for med as well.

Atlas

09-02-2009, 07:33 PM

Belarus actually.

Absinthe

09-02-2009, 07:34 PM

^ East nordic, baltid influenced :)

Tabiti

09-02-2009, 07:52 PM

This is more "perfect" Nordic race according to me:
http://www.white-history.com/earlson/kop/Abbildungen%20Frauen_files/05.jpg
http://www.white-history.com/earlson/kop/Abbildungen%20Frauen_files/19.jpg
http://www.white-history.com/earlson/kop/manner_files/25.jpg
But indeed the most perfect, idealized individuals can be found among Wolfgang Willrich's portraits.
The same goes for every racial type/subtype.

Damião de Góis

09-03-2009, 06:41 PM

http://www.britishpride.org/arthur.gif

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tGcFUPGpPP4/0.jpg

.

So this iis the guy who says we are black because the slaves started breeding like rabits and changed the face of the whole country? While the ones who did all the discoveries were nordic visigoths, like Vasco da Gama:

http://camoes9a.no.sapo.pt/images/vasco_da_gama.jpg

Ironically is not hard at all to find people lighter than him here in this country of black people as he says. He can have his anti-race mixing theories without the need of spreading lies and insulting a country as old as Portugal. He probably saw us as an easy target because we are a small country who people know very little about.
If i ever met him i don't know if i would laugh in his face or punch him, probably both.

Liffrea

09-03-2009, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by AlexDelarge
While the ones who did all the discoveries were nordic visigoths, like Vasco da Gama

More the opposite, he blames people like Da Gama for importing black slaves into Portugal. According to Kemp Portugal’s intake of 10% non-white blood was the main cause of her decline.

As I wrote above it’s poor as history, reads more like Robert Howard’s Conan stories, and it’s 19th century crack pot theories like this that hinder the BNP. If he stuck to speaking and pointing out why mass immigration etc is harmful to Britain it would be better.

Tabiti

09-03-2009, 07:33 PM

I think we should open other thread regarding Arthur Kemp's works and the perfect Nordic features;)

Damião de Góis

09-03-2009, 07:42 PM

More the opposite, he blames people like Da Gama for importing black slaves into Portugal. According to Kemp Portugal’s intake of 10% non-white blood was the main cause of her decline.
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My point was that Vasco da Gama was no goth like he implies. Also, the slavery came later, Da Gama just discovered the maritime route to India. If i remember correctly the ones who did all those great things were all part of the gothic population, according to him :D

If he had any knowledge in history he would know we started to lose power because of attacks from England and Holland, mainly Holland in the Indic Ocean. We never had a powerfull army and of course we had the sucession problem and Phillip II of Spain took our throne for a few centuries...

Laudanum

09-28-2009, 01:00 PM

I will emigrate to Norway, because I feel connected to the land and it has such a beautiful nature.:)

Matritensis

10-11-2009, 06:48 PM

It would have never crossed my mind to live abroad,but I met a girl...damn sometimes I'm too impulsive.I cannot complain anyway.

Amapola

10-13-2009, 04:12 PM

It would have never crossed my mind to live abroad,but I met a girl...damn sometimes I'm too impulsive.I cannot complain anyway.

I would happily do that as well; it's L:love:O:love:V:love:E

Sally

10-13-2009, 05:34 PM

Yes, I would...to Sealand! :D

Phlegethon

10-13-2009, 05:37 PM

I would happily do that as well; it's L:love:O:love:V:love:E

You'll find your girl one day, Alana! ;)

Amapola

10-13-2009, 06:29 PM

Very funny, yeah...:lol00002: :rolleyes2:

Loxias

10-13-2009, 06:52 PM

I emigrated, very probably for the long term.

Matritensis

10-13-2009, 07:20 PM

It would be nevertheless very interesting for the dirty minds of the forum if you did,Alana...:icon_lol:

Mesrine

10-13-2009, 10:33 PM

Nope, I'm fine where I am (Paris).

When I'll have enough of Paris (or vice versa :D), I might move to the Southeastern quadrant of France, or even to Italy (most likely Rome). But this would hardly be an emigration.

Germanicus

10-13-2009, 10:41 PM

Most probably i will emigrate to France, the country is beautiful, the people are friendly, the food perfection.
My favorite village is Scaer... Brittany is a wonderful place and i hope to visit it again soon, who knows, my retirement is a long way off yet, and my mind may change?

Osweo

10-14-2009, 12:39 AM

I'd say yes, conditionally, if you were talking about off-world migration. Luna City, here we come! Maybe Heinlein Town on Mars, or Clarke Settlement on Titan. *sigh* Too much spec-fic as a child? :rolleyes:
To Ganymede and Titan, Yes Sir, I've been around,
But there ain't no place in the whole of Space
Like that dear old toddling town...
Oh, Luna City Seven,
You're my idea of Heaven;
Out of ten you score eleven... :p:thumb001:

Hello you!! :wink When you was in Latvia and where??? Glad you like my country but we have some problems.
Actually, I might consider Latvija. My Russian's good enough, and I love borsch, salted guerkings and blinchiki... :wink

I have lived abroad for lengthy stretches of time. I can do it. I'm back now, but I often miss Russia. If things had gone a little differently, I'd probably still be there now. As for permanency, though, well, it scares me a bit. Ideally, I'd like to move back and forth.

By the way, is it just me, or does Max look terrifically Irish?!? I can so easily imagine a Dublin accent out of him. Do I say that because of Norse input into Ireland?

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/europethread/0%20nordicthread/ourexamples/tn2_max_von_sydow_2.jpg

Brynhild

10-14-2009, 01:01 AM

I've been to New Zealand twice now, first time was the North and last time was the South. I fell in love with the South Island, mainly for its natural beauty, space and very few Maoris! The only down side is that it's more expensive.

I love Australia, I was born here and I will most probably die here, but if there was a reason to move and a place to move, I'd go across the Tasman. Europe is foreign to me and New Zealand is much similar in terms of lifestyle and culture.

Inese

10-14-2009, 01:57 PM

Actually, I might consider Latvija. My Russian's good enough, and I love borsch, salted guerkings and blinchiki... :wink
This is a bad affront and you know that okay!??? :smilie_stop: You can be nice but your russophility is violating often

Atlas

10-14-2009, 04:55 PM

Well I'm fine where I'm at right now... But emigrating, yes I might consider it, I'd have to work a lot the language (even if it is an English speaking country, you can still improve). I do have some ideas but as nothing is sure yet. I keep it to myself for now.

Hrolf Kraki

10-14-2009, 08:01 PM

I emigrated, very probably for the long term.

To Tasmania, I presume? I've always been curious about Tasmania. What with the devils they got there and all. :p No but seriously, what's it like? Nice? I like low-populated areas.

Loxias

10-14-2009, 08:29 PM

I actually don't live in Tasmania, I live across the Bass Strait in Victoria.
But I love Tasmania. A sharp contrast from the usual image of Australia. It is verdant, cool and not very densely populated. In many ways it is more similar to New Zealand.
Hobart is also a very nice capital.
There are lots of jokes going on about how Tasmanians are inbred and white trash. And, in a way, you can feel that you are at a demographic end of the world there. But it's not that bad, of course.

If you get the occasion to travel downunder, Tasmania is much worthy of your time.

Goidelic

10-14-2009, 08:35 PM

To Ganymede and Titan, Yes Sir, I've been around,
But there ain't no place in the whole of Space
Like that dear old toddling town...
Oh, Luna City Seven,
You're my idea of Heaven;
Out of ten you score eleven... :p:thumb001:

Actually, I might consider Latvija. My Russian's good enough, and I love borsch, salted guerkings and blinchiki... :wink

I have lived abroad for lengthy stretches of time. I can do it. I'm back now, but I often miss Russia. If things had gone a little differently, I'd probably still be there now. As for permanency, though, well, it scares me a bit. Ideally, I'd like to move back and forth.

By the way, is it just me, or does Max look terrifically Irish?!? I can so easily imagine a Dublin accent out of him. Do I say that because of Norse input into Ireland?

Excellent post, Osweo :thumb001:

I can definitely see Max Von Sydow as an Irishman from Dublin. :);)
Could be the Celtic influence in Scandinavia rather than the Norse influence in Ireland, respectively? :p;)

Osweo

10-14-2009, 08:44 PM

But I love Tasmania. A sharp contrast from the usual image of Australia. It is verdant, cool and not very densely populated. In many ways it is more similar to New Zealand.

Sounds nice. You'll have to show us some pics some time! :thumbs up

What's the countryside like? Has a lot been put under tillage, or are there plenty of forests left? No dangerous spiders?

Loxias

10-14-2009, 09:02 PM

I have plenty of pics, I'll get around posting some a bit later ;)
A big part of the island is forested and hard to access. The western half is still covered by large extents of virgin temperate rainforest (with very impressive yearly rainfalls, often over 2500 mm per year). The rest of the island is still decently forested, and most of the fields are actually pastures and orchards. You can find tillage mostly on the nothern coast.
As of spiders, I don't know that well. You do have some nasty snakes. But the fauna is overall more welcoming than on the mainland.

Fortis in Arduis

10-15-2009, 02:45 AM

There is nowhere to go. I can only stay here.

I looked at Auckland and Christchurch and they were ugly. I am stuck in London. The Anglosphere has nothing to offer.

Bridie

10-15-2009, 03:11 AM

Tasmania is truly lovely. My favourite place in Australia. The people are easy-going and very friendly... everything seems to move at a calm pace... its urban centres are clean and its landscapes unspoiled... beaches, mountain ranges, farmlands... and the architecture is more traditional. A great place to raise children. Very little crime.

Launceston is my favourite little city....

http://z.about.com/d/goaustralia/1/0/s/9/atclaun1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/3195759108_a10a66eda9.jpg

http://images.travelpod.com/users/karana/1.1247396893.downtown-launceston.jpg

http://www.accommodationlivetogo.com/images/pepseaport1.jpg

http://www.cheaperthanhotels.com.au/hotel-images/46008/375824.jpg http://www.stayinabedandbreakfast.com.au/products/1185891590prod665werona_from_seaport.jpg

http://www.mogozobo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/DSC_1080.jpg

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/2f/42/c7/the-view-from-our-room.jpg

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/39/65139-004-06F13799.jpg

Fortis in Arduis

10-15-2009, 03:22 AM

Tasmania is truly lovely. My favourite place in Australia. The people are easy-going and very friendly... everything seems to move at a calm pace... its urban centres are clean and its landscapes unspoiled... beaches, mountain ranges, farmlands... and the architecture is more traditional. A great place to raise children. Very little crime.

Launceston is my favourite little city....

It is quite beautiful, but our empire and culture had already gone to seed by this point. I like the Edwardian style, but to the British eye, nothing is better than the Regency, and that was only a very brief period.

Australia and New Zealand do not have anything that compares to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Fatmonkey/LondonCarltonTerrace.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/16338233.jpg

These are actually some pretty basic examples, and even if it is not particularly stylish, it is very practical.

I live in an apartment which is the first floor of an Italianate town house, a little later than the Regency, and I could not find anything better in Australia or New Zealand, not with all the amenities that I have nearby.

What could I find in Auckland or anywhere else in the antipodes? It is so inhospitable and modern, or so very suburban. :(

Osweo

10-15-2009, 03:24 AM

Launceston is my favourite little city....

Great pics, Bridie, cheers. Lovely looking place.

Oddly enough I'm now just up the road from the real original Launceston! I was there the other day, buying a new dog lead. I had a flip thru a local history book, and read about the Antipodean namesake! Cornish Launcestonians seem a bit smug that you pronounce it wrong though; they say it with only two syllables. :thumbs up

Bridie

10-15-2009, 03:35 AM

It is quite beautiful, but our empire and culture had already gone to seed by this point. I like the Edwardian style, but to the British eye, nothing is better than the Regency, and that was only a very brief period.

Australia and New Zealand do not have anything that compares to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Fatmonkey/LondonCarltonTerrace.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/16338233.jpg

These are actually some pretty basic examples, and even if it is not particularly stylish, it is very practical.

I live in an apartment which is the first floor of an Italianate town house, a little later than the Regency, and I could not find anything better in Australia or New Zealand, not with all the amenities that I have nearby.

What could I find in Auckland or anywhere else in the antipodes? It is so inhospitable and modern, or so very suburban. :(I guess it's a matter of taste... the buildings you posted are fine... but they seem not too cosy, nor in possession of much character..... although, I suppose it's a different story on the inside. :)

In Australia, we have our own architectural styles referred to as "Colonial" and "Federation"... of which the latter is my favourite. :) It's nothing too fancy ;), but such characteristic buildings tend to be quaint and charming (to my eye anyway. :p). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_architecture

Fortis in Arduis

10-15-2009, 03:58 AM

The Regency style works with modern life. There is a balance between outdoors and indoors and the proportions are just right.

In Australia, we have our own architectural styles referred to as "Colonial" and "Federation"... of which the latter is my favourite. :) It's nothing too fancy ;), but such characteristic buildings tend to be quaint and charming (to my eye anyway. :p). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_architecture

It is very cute and corresponds to Edwardian style in the UK, but that was not the best of what we did, even though it represents the Belle Epoque.

I looked into 20th Century Australia and New Zealand and there was nothing for me. :(

Looking at the structure of the various cities, what could I find that could possibly trump London? :( I am stuck here now. There is nowhere to go.

Bridie

10-15-2009, 04:07 AM

The Regency style works with modern life. There is a balance between outdoors and indoors and the proportions are just right.

It is very cute and corresponds to Edwardian style in the UK, but that was not the best of what we did, even though it represents the Belle Epoque.

I looked into 20th Century Australia and New Zealand and there was nothing for me. :(

Looking at the structure of the various cities, what could I find that could possibly trump London? :( I am stuck here now. There is nowhere to go.Is there no other (nicer) city in the UK that tickles your fancy? :confused: Oxford is lovely! :)

Fortis in Arduis

10-15-2009, 04:16 AM

Is there no other (nicer) city in the UK that tickles your fancy? :confused: Oxford is lovely! :)

No, there is not. I have tried Edinburgh, there really is nowhere else to go and Oxford and Cambridge are small and parochial. I thought about Belfast, but it is ugly, and Dublin is pointless. I like the city.

Kadu

10-15-2009, 04:35 AM

I might.... i'm thinking in finishing my master's in Canada or in the UK and i don't know what the future holds for me.

la bombe

10-20-2009, 11:01 PM

I'd love to actually. I especially want to leave my current city/hometown, I hate it with a passion.

Brännvin

10-20-2009, 11:05 PM

I'd love to actually. I especially want to leave my current city/hometown, I hate it with a passion.

Las Vegas, is not this from the CSI?

Barreldriver

10-20-2009, 11:54 PM

I'm finding that the most I'll do is visit other places, the more I think about it the less appealing emigration seems. I want to stick it out on my turf, go down in the land I know best.

Gwynyvyr

10-20-2009, 11:55 PM

Nope.
Staying in the USA...anywhere else and I would have to give up my firearms.
If the gov't. here decides to ban/outlaw like most of Europe. Australia, etc already have, I'll give 'em my guns...one bullet at a time.

Radojica

06-28-2011, 04:11 PM

Very simple question: would you emigrate? And if your answer is yes, then please write it to where you would emigrate and what would be the reason for that kind of action :)

Because of the situation, after almost two years, I am revivifying this old thread with the answer to my question :o

I am emigrating to Russia for God knows how long and with only one reason, economical as I am not able to find decent job in Serbia. Maybe after some time I'll fall in love with Russia (or some русская девушка :o), but only time will tell.

To be honest, I never thought my destination will be Russia, but destiny has weird and strange life paths, so no matter where I wanted, in the end it happen to be place, country I would never think of emigrating, only for one reason though, and that's cold, nothing else. Now, after a few vodka, and a couple of dances with polar bears, I believe that I'll forget about cold :O

Life is indeed strange and a lottery :) :)

safinator

06-28-2011, 04:29 PM

I would emigrate if i like the idea.

workersliberation

07-05-2011, 09:16 PM

No, but I started to change my mind recently. I'm getting very tired of struggling here, so, yes, I would emigrate. I have no illusions that life is idealistic somewhere else, but living in Serbia today is about feeling a major rip-off for sure.

I don't hold so much sentimental values for Serbia anyway, except for family and friends here. As I lived at Montenegrian coast almost a 1/3 of my growing up, I always found Serbia quite boring and uninteresting. Mediterranean spirit goes better with me.

bulgarian88

07-06-2011, 09:38 PM

I'm unsure. I don't want to emigrate, because it is very difficult from financial point of view. Besides, getting used to different customs and language is not particularly easy. However, I'd love living in Romania, Italy or France.

Curtis24

07-06-2011, 09:47 PM

If I felt the society had gotten to the point where I could not protect myself or loved ones, I would emigrate.

poiuytrewq0987

07-07-2011, 04:40 PM

Already emigrated to the US (was really more of my parents' decision) but I am about to emigrate once again to Sverige (http://www.resekoll.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/svenskmat_resekoll.jpg). :coffee:

Mordid

07-07-2011, 04:41 PM

I'm pretty sure I get mistake for Serbian, if am going to Serbia. Dont wanna end up punk looking like FMN.

Tarja

07-07-2011, 05:13 PM

Maybe. I'd certainly like to live in another country for a while, whether I'd stay there forever I'm not entirely sure.

The University course I'm planning to study offers exchange programmes with Universities in Sweden, Norway and Denmark which I'll jump at the chance to do! I love Scandinavia and will take any excuse to keep going there :p And I already know Swedish fairly well so it should be easy learning either of the other 2 languages if I need to. Anyway I'd get to move for about 6 months (or even a full year), that's enough time to judge whether I'd like to move again in the future.

It's an exciting prospect. Too bad it's a few years away. :(