Olmecs were not Black or Africans

[ButlerKing]

I once debated with this crazy afro-centrist Clyde winters who claims every civilization was Black and was claiming the British royal and ancient Greeks were Black. I wanted to refute him but the thread was locked before I had the chance to refute him but I did refuted him with the Olmec Civilization said those features in statue are Amerindians so I posted pictures an than he says they have African admixture but genetic shows there is African admixture is 5% in Mexican people only.

But Afro centrist weren't the only one, some eurocentrist and Chinese claim they came from them which is B.S too. So even Euro-centrist tries to steal history including Koreans.

Olmecs would have looked like this.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2roqsk2.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/o870qc.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/xcomfd.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/200p4k6.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/sbn7rn.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/1nzl8o.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Olmecs figurines.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Olmec_baby-face_figurine,_Snite.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1979.206.1134.jpg
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/olmec/olmecs11.gif

[gold_fenix]

i think these figures look as Pacific people, who are mongoloid the same that the photos of these persons

[ButlerKing]

i think these figures look as Pacific people, who are mongoloid the same that the photos of these persons

They have nothing to do with pacific people.
They are Amerindians Mongoloid, simple as that.

They are genetically related with Asian people but physically not apart from Amerindians Eskimo, Inuit and some tribal jungle Amerindians of brazil.

[ButlerKing]

Olmec mask

http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Olmec_mask_802.jpg/260px-Olmec_mask_802.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1977.187.33.jpg
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/olmec/olmec-mask-1.gif

[gold_fenix]

They have nothing to do with pacific people.
They are Amerindians Mongoloid, simple as that.

They are genetically related with Asian people but physically not apart from Amerindians Eskimo, Inuit and some tribal jungle Amerindians of brazil.

true, but if some people see in they african features...

[ButlerKing]

true, but if some people see in they african features...

There is No african features in Olmecs
There is No Black features in Olmecs.

It's simply stupid that some people think only African people have those features, it's so stupid. I've seen tons of Amerindians, so them having those features is nothing strange at all.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_W8dL8DgSCMg/TQlHtfdNXII/AAAAAAAAAAg/RaVzOvMM7BM/s1600/2374248932_dcd978d05a.jpg

[Kazimiera]

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[Sonboy]

thats only pseudo black features
like some margid (amerindians) have pseudo australoid features
Of courses olmecs were amerindians, there were no black people in america until 1500

[Aredhel]

Some amerindian phenotypes have some pseudo-african features such as thick lips, broad nose but that doesn't mean they're part african.

[American_Hispanist]

I think I'm example of a mestizo with some pseudo SSA features (my lips). I have no SSA ancestor that's recent, based on talk with my family and relatives.

[Bobby Six Killer]

What can you expect? Some say they invented cellphones & built Egypt.... :picard1:

[ButlerKing]

Let me just the claims are primary from Afro-centrists.
But some euro centrists, Chinese centrist, Korean censtrists also try to claim Olmecs came from them.

They claim because Olmecs had one of the worlds most advance civilization in history.

[JTArleta]

Most people of the so called modern world look over the fact that if these ancients were able to build such structures they didn't know how to navigate the oceans. I personally think they were master sailors crafts men etc. I'm not going to say the Native American Olmecs were black but I do believe they made contact with people of other land masses. The step pyramid was first discovered on the African continent were the true pyramid was first built. Some of the Gods worshiped by the Olmec have many similarities of those worshiped by Nubians as well as some of the tools used. We are talking about a Super Power of the old world people not some nomadic hunter gathers. Take the sky scraper build for instance a technology with roots in the west yet now found all over the world. you do the math.
Olmec mask

http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Olmec_mask_802.jpg/260px-Olmec_mask_802.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1977.187.33.jpg
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/olmec/olmec-mask-1.gif

[Tropico]

Yeah. I see no SSA. They could have similar features to the open minded eye but there's no genetic, anthropological evidence. Just quacks.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Ask that nigger, if the Olmecs were black, then where are their skeletal remains?

[ButlerKing]

Most people of the so called modern world look over the fact that if these ancients were able to build such structures they didn't know how to navigate the oceans. I personally think they were master sailors crafts men etc. I'm not going to say the Native American Olmecs were black but I do believe they made contact with people of other land masses. The step pyramid was first discovered on the African continent were the true pyramid was first built. Some of the Gods worshiped by the Olmec have many similarities of those worshiped by Nubians as well as some of the tools used. We are talking about a Super Power of the old world people not some nomadic hunter gathers. Take the sky scraper build for instance a technology with roots in the west yet now found all over the world. you do the math.


And I'm going to say the original people of Africa were Mongoloid-Black Bantu people not Africans.

Seriously claiming a civilization basing on few similarities and no coincidence is such a stupid an fragile claim.

[pinguino]

Olmecs were Amerindians. Too bad in Subsaharan Africa had nothing that can give pride to lunatic Afrocentrists, so they must rob foreign heritages.

[Armand_Duval]

Of course Olmecs were not black, they were centralid Istmid.

[AlbionMyway]

Some of the monumental Olmec heads look somewhat negroid from the front, but from the side they have the flat profile which is a distinctly Mongoloid trait. There is no trace of the typical negroid prognathism (i.e. a projecting lower face).

Afrocentrism (negrocentrism, more like) is a religion of black supremacists. It is a mythological belief system designed to make blacks feel both superior, and unduly hard-done by. It is an affront against the Amerindians, the Egyptians, and all the other descendants of peoples whose achievements the negrocentrists seek to usurp. It also insults whites, as it slanders white archaeologists etc., making out that they have been engaged in a grand-scale cover up of the 'true' nature of Ancient Egyptian/Olmec etc. civilization.

Black Africans failed even to colonise Madagascar (the original Madagascans sailed their canoes there from Indonesia) yet people like Winters think blacks sailed across the Atlantic!

[pinguino]

They look "negroid" because those heads represent ball players. Have you ever played hockey with a frozen rubber pock? Well the ball Olmecs used was made of rubber and were very hard. I bet most ball players had broken theirs noses playing the game. And, as you know seen pictures of boxers, all people with broken noses look negroid.

[Armand_Duval]

They look "negroid" because those heads represent ball players. Have you ever played hockey with a frozen rubber pock? Well the ball Olmecs used was made of rubber and were very hard. I bet most ball players had broken theirs noses playing the game. And, as you know seen pictures of boxers, all people with broken noses look negroid.


I havent seen that from that point of view, nonetheless it makes sense.

[riverman]

ButlerKing the 'natives' or what we know of the people today obviously were 'building' or adding to a pre-existing civilization which they probably stumbled upon, same with Machu Pichu, llama herders are cool but they didn't build Machu Picchuu


peace

[Sikeliot]

I know some Mexicans from the south who have wide noses and larger lips and they are perfectly Amerindian looking. Some Pacific Islanders and Filipinos have similar features. Olmecs were NOT black.

[riverman]

I know some Mexicans from the south who have wide noses and larger lips and they are perfectly Amerindian looking. Some Pacific Islanders and Filipinos have similar features. Olmecs were NOT black.

Civilizations go from building massive structures to primitive living? Why? Why should I believe that a culture that wouldn't be inclined to even build a regular house built these structures? Makes no sense, they 'added', used the areas, carved relief, but asking me to believe that jungle natives built these monuments and then wandered back into the jungle is aking too much, sorry.
As for being black, who knows, but the alternate modern idea is nothing short of irrational.

[arcticwolf]

You can't be serious, are you seriously discussing this? lol

[riverman]

the dates don't match for the structures and the latest civ right? I recently read a book about the Olmecs

[Gauthier]

ButlerKing the 'natives' or what we know of the people today obviously were 'building' or adding to a pre-existing civilization which they probably stumbled upon, same with Machu Pichu, llama herders are cool but they didn't build Machu Picchuu


peace

It's an interesting theory, Graham Hancock style, but unfortunately there is no solid evidence.

[riverman]

It's an interesting theory, Graham Hancock style, but unfortunately there is no solid evidence.

Lol nice comeback:rolleyes2:

[Han Cholo]

They look "negroid" because those heads represent ball players. Have you ever played hockey with a frozen rubber pock? Well the ball Olmecs used was made of rubber and were very hard. I bet most ball players had broken theirs noses playing the game. And, as you know seen pictures of boxers, all people with broken noses look negroid.

I've used this arguement in previous debates. It still makes sense to me but it's not the only one. Amerindians from Yucatan and South Veracruz tend to have broader features due to Tropical adaptation as well.

[Žołnir]

Right.... Nice you figured that out. xD

[Han Cholo]

Some of the monumental Olmec heads look somewhat negroid from the front, but from the side they have the flat profile which is a distinctly Mongoloid trait. There is no trace of the typical negroid prognathism (i.e. a projecting lower face).

Afrocentrism (negrocentrism, more like) is a religion of black supremacists. It is a mythological belief system designed to make blacks feel both superior, and unduly hard-done by. It is an affront against the Amerindians, the Egyptians, and all the other descendants of peoples whose achievements the negrocentrists seek to usurp. It also insults whites, as it slanders white archaeologists etc., making out that they have been engaged in a grand-scale cover up of the 'true' nature of Ancient Egyptian/Olmec etc. civilization.

Black Africans failed even to colonise Madagascar (the original Madagascans sailed their canoes there from Indonesia) yet people like Winters think blacks sailed across the Atlantic!

http://www.sbstraining.net/image.axd?picture=DSC_0353+[].JPG

http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9cb/ea6/profile-of-olmec-head-puerto-de-la-libertad.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2010/11/4/1288890148314/Olmec-stone-head-006.jpg

Indeed. Quite. Solid. Point. The fact they were only able to make it outside of Africa as slaves, excluding a failed, short excursion to Yemen for a short time, where they ended up gettin enslaved once more is also a good arguement :picard2:

[aja675]

All I could say about the title is: duh.

[Smeagol]

They don't even look black, negrocentrics only make that claim because some of the statues have broad noses. Clyde Winters is a moron.

[YeshAtid]

They don't even look black, negrocentrics only make that claim because some of the statues have broad noses. Clyde Winters is a moron.

:picard2:

[Smeagol]

:picard2:

:picard2::picard2:

[YeshAtid]

:picard2::picard2:

It's niggercentric

[RandoBloom]

It's niggercentric

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1185392_196095797230015_1920960930_n.jpg

[mr. logan]

No Olmec negroids. Having just a statue as evidence would be like saying that Euros looked like the deformed women in statues found there.

[Smeagol]

No Olmec negroids. Having just a statue as evidence would be like saying that Euros looked like the deformed women in statues found there.

And the statue itself looks completely Mongoloid. Niggercentrics only claim it because of the nose.

[mr. logan]

A bunch of wankers.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Pacific people, west africans, and austronesians are all a little related that's what they are seeing.

The reality is black people like we think of them are a recent thing not an ancient thing, but like all people they pull from ancient elements. The e1b semitic tribes just got into africa and picked up blackness relatively recently, and then expanded wildly. Before then africa wasn't really black, and they weren't black either. So it's easy to see relations to other peoples because it's an amalgam people in the first place, but by its new nature it had nothing to do with any of them in the direct sense. It would be like people in the USA claiming they founded europe and Asia or something.

[ButlerKing]

Pacific people are polynesians.

[Peterski]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZbATtKMGXXI/V0h62QvTMVI/AAAAAAAAB4E/_zkIkKKUi-Mc9yeynK6nflyNH7gEWEIDwCLcB/s1600/Native-Olmec-compare-2.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z2zK6m2A6iw/hqdefault.jpg

https://ryanehoward.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/olmec.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2roqsk2.jpg

http://thomaskc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/excavation-building-construction-excavation-safety-plan-excavator-meaning-in-hindi-osha-excavation-definition-meaning-of-excavation-in-english-970x720.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_jLHG1C_8aw/maxresdefault.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_l4qupPFM4

[Peterski]

However, Olmecs could have an elevated level of Onge-like admixture (and Negritos look pseudo-SSA):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?229998-Peopling-of-the-Americas-before-Columbus

For example modern Cabecar Amerindians in Central America have an elevated level of this admixture.

[robertmann]

The Olmec claims are hilarious. It makes the Black Egyptian hypothesis look reasonable in comparison.